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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 19:38:54 GMT
Can't imagine what will be going through President Obama as the first black President of the United States, when he has to hand over power to such a despicable human being in January. I have no doubt that Obama will do it with utter class. Oh most definitely but still a damn bitter pill for him to have to swallow.
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Post by used2scrap on Nov 9, 2016 19:40:01 GMT
I do not "accept" that any candidate lies or cheats. Nor do I condone it. It doesn't matter who else does it. Personally, I believed that Hillary's election meant more of the Obama presidency. I was not willing to vote for that. Or her. I respect your stance in the issues you chose to vote, but how is a vote for someone who is also a lying cheater not at least a tacit acceptance of it?
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Post by Dalai Mama on Nov 9, 2016 19:42:45 GMT
Why? Do American ever tell the Brits who to vote for or not to? The French? The Germans? Foreign countries have no right to tell us who to vote for and I certainly don't feel any compulsion to listen when they overstep their bounds. Believe me, when those countries want our money, our military aid or personnel or anything else, they ask even if we elected Trump. I'd imagine because we've been dragging our allies into conflicts all over the globe, do they have a vested interest in our leadership? Actually, I had my opinions about Brexit too.
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Nov 9, 2016 19:47:46 GMT
I do not "accept" that any candidate lies or cheats. Nor do I condone it. It doesn't matter who else does it. Personally, I believed that Hillary's election meant more of the Obama presidency. I was not willing to vote for that. Or her. I respect your stance in the issues you chose to vote, but how is a vote for someone who is also a lying cheater not at least a tacit acceptance of it? Because I choose the issues that are most important to me and vote for the candidate who most closely aligns with my positions on those issues. Personally, I don't care what a candidate's position is on abortion, gay rights or most of the social progressive issues that consume so much of the liberal thoughts. I like Trumps position on the economy, on immigration, on national defense. These are the issues I voted for him on.
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Post by izzyscraps on Nov 9, 2016 19:47:57 GMT
I feel that anyone and everyone who supported him has tacitly agreed with bullying, threatening, predatory behavior. That all of you believe that being a self admitted sexual predator is just fine. That you approve of sexism, racism, xenophobia, and homophobia. Any one of which eliminated any chance of him receiving my vote. So yes, I really feel that way. This. All of this. It's baffling that anyone finds his behaviour tolerable. He should be punished, not given the prize of the presidency. Do I think all supporters are like this? No. But there have been enough examples to show that many of them do. And if you don't agree with his hateful, bullying tactics, why would you support him? That makes no sense. At all. So many everyone is. I doubt it, but it sure seems like the supporters support all of him by giving him their vote, despite his despicable behaviour. So everything Hilary has done that is deplorable should be overlooked and she should be granted the presidency? Um no. If there was another candidate for change in this country, I think that Trump would never have had a chance. It's very disturbing at how the upset Hoary supporters are behaving towards Trump supporters. Calling names and stupid and the wal mart people won. Geez people. Not either of these candidates was ideal. Seriously. Neither one.
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Post by thelmalou on Nov 9, 2016 19:48:05 GMT
I feel that anyone and everyone who supported him has tacitly agreed with bullying, threatening, predatory behavior. That all of you believe that being a self admitted sexual predator is just fine. That you approve of sexism, racism, xenophobia, and homophobia. Any one of which eliminated any chance of him receiving my vote. So yes, I really feel that way. Well you're a narrow minded individual. I won't call you the horrible names you've called us.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 19:48:06 GMT
In past election years, I stayed away from the political threads here. I know there were Peas that left the board because of the hatred and nasty things said. I never knew firsthand how bad things got. NOW I do.
Even though I didn't support/or vote for her, I was impressed and touched watching Hillary's speech today. I felt she sounded sincere, and went out with class and dignity. I wish I could say the same for her supporters on this thread.
The vitriol spewed here is unbelievable.
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Post by thelmalou on Nov 9, 2016 19:49:53 GMT
So you think half the country is living in fear and hatred of others ? WOW that's a lot of people ! You forgot to include the ignorant. You criticize Trump, but are you such a good person for calling people names and essentially bullying those who have their own opinion.
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Post by cade387 on Nov 9, 2016 19:51:00 GMT
Trump courted those voters with a wink and a nudge and dog whistle politics. For me personally, that is something I could never ever ever overlook in a candidate. And I'll be honest, I have a hard time understanding how others could, no matter how deeply held their other beliefs are. But that still does not mean I think all Trump supporters are bad people. Not even close. I believe that most voting Americans are decent people who voted for the candidate they thought was best. We just have very different values, apparently. I understand people's disgust with aspects of Trump's campaign and Trump personally - hell I was disgusted and couldn't pull the lever for him. I do however believe that a whole lot of people aren't understanding just what's different about those Trump supporters "values" - which let's face it is really a euphemism for they don't have them. They value supporting their families. They want to a decent job that will put a roof over their head and food in their children's mouths. It's really not that complicated. It's the exact same populist message that made Bernie Sanders a contender in the Democratic primary.
Where my values and theirs differ is that I don't have to put another race, sex, religion, etc down for me to be better. The people you are talking about feel that their lives, their middle class is impacted because someone "different" came in and took it away from them.
We should all be responsible for our own destiny, not putting others down in hopes of raising up on their backs.
To quote the American President:
It looks like Donald was watching - hook, line and sinker.
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Post by pierkiss on Nov 9, 2016 19:52:33 GMT
Based on my own personal experiences, with real people that I am close to, and their mindsets, sadly yes, I have to say that I think most are uneducated racists. Because those that I know in real life are just that, uneducated and racist, and they proudly voted for Donald Trump yesterday. Every single person I know that voted for Hillary has some form of higher education, most have graduate degrees.
I get that there are apparently lots who are Never Hillary, and voted for him to keep her out. I don't know any of those people in real life though.
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Post by quiltz on Nov 9, 2016 20:09:04 GMT
Why? Do American ever tell the Brits who to vote for or not to? The French? The Germans? Foreign countries have no right to tell us who to vote for and I certainly don't feel any compulsion to listen when they overstep their bounds. Believe me, when those countries want our money, our military aid or personnel or anything else, they ask even if we elected Trump. If you read/saw/listened to any international & American reputable news outlets, there was plenty of American input/commentary about the Brextic vote and other international political elections. There are many instances of Americans who are asked to help and over see election processes in other countries, to ensure of proper election processes. Input from the USA is sought out by other countries for the American viewpoint. With my many years of working within the Canadian Federal Government and also talking/communicating with many Americans, there are many who are in a "bubble", who do not consider that what happens In the USA does in fact affect others in this global world.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 20:09:35 GMT
Okay here's where I'm having an issue... Clinton supporters or non Trump supporters don't want us to not support Trump because of his negativity. But isn't that what you guys are doing right now toward us? It seems like as long as we aligned with what you believe and what you feel should go on in the world then that's what's most important. The whole point of America is for people to have different views, different insights, and different opinions. If everyone was the same and everyone believed the same thing this world would be very boring and we'd have no progress. I'd rather be an outlier than a sheep.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Nov 9, 2016 20:09:52 GMT
Based on my own personal experiences, with real people that I am close to, and their mindsets, sadly yes, I have to say that I think most are uneducated racists. Because those that I know in real life are just that, uneducated and racist, and they proudly voted for Donald Trump yesterday. Every single person I know that voted for Hillary has some form of higher education, most have graduate degrees. I get that there are apparently lots who are Never Hillary, and voted for him to keep her out. I don't know any of those people in real life though. 54% of male college graduates and 45% of female college graduates voted for Donald Trump.
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Nov 9, 2016 20:10:42 GMT
Based on my own personal experiences, with real people that I am close to, and their mindsets, sadly yes, I have to say that I think most are uneducated racists. Because those that I know in real life are just that, uneducated and racist, and they proudly voted for Donald Trump yesterday. Every single person I know that voted for Hillary has some form of higher education, most have graduate degrees. I get that there are apparently lots who are Never Hillary, and voted for him to keep her out. I don't know any of those people in real life though. 54% of male college graduates and 45% of female college graduates voted for Donald Trump. Yeah, but you know we're all uneducated racists at heart.
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Post by pierkiss on Nov 9, 2016 20:14:37 GMT
Based on my own personal experiences, with real people that I am close to, and their mindsets, sadly yes, I have to say that I think most are uneducated racists. Because those that I know in real life are just that, uneducated and racist, and they proudly voted for Donald Trump yesterday. Every single person I know that voted for Hillary has some form of higher education, most have graduate degrees. I get that there are apparently lots who are Never Hillary, and voted for him to keep her out. I don't know any of those people in real life though. 54% of male college graduates and 45% of female college graduates voted for Donald Trump. Like I said, my OWN personal experience with MY friends and family. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/Q_m8lDOvc_3Le3r1GKdf.jpg)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 20:16:49 GMT
I was 't going to say anything on this thread until I ran across this guy's comments about yesterday and how those of us on the other side feel. This John Pavlovitz is a bit too dramatic for me but I think he got it right.
"Here is why we grieve today. I don't think you understand us right now. I think you believe this is all sour grapes; the crocodile tears of losing locker rooms with scoreboard going against us at the buzzer.
I can only tell you that you're wrong. This is not about losing an election. This isn't about not winning a contest. This is about two very different ways of seeing the world.
Hillary supporters believe in a diverse America; one where religion or skin color of sexual orientation or place of birth aren't liabilities or deficiencies or moral defects. Her campaign was one of inclusion and connection and interdependency. It was about building bridges and breaking ceilings. It was going high.
Trump supporters believevin a very selective America; one that is largely white and straight and Christian, and the voting certified this. Donald Trump has never made any assertions otherwise. He ran a campaign of fear and exclusion and isolation -- and that's the vision of the world who voted for him endorsed. They have aligned with a wall-builder and a professed pussy-grabber, and they have co-signed his body of work, regardless of the reasons they gave for their votes.
Every horrible thing Trump ever said about women or Muslims or people of color has now been validated. Every profanity - laced press conference and every call to bully protestors and every ignorant diatribe has been endorsed.
Every piece of anti-LGBTQ legislation Mike Pence has championed has been signed off on.
Half of our country has declared these things acceptable, noble ,American.
This is the disconnect and source of our grief today. It isn't a political defeat that we're lamenting, it's a defeat for Humanity.
We are not angry that our candidate lost. We're angry because our candidate's losing means this country will be less safe, less kind, and less available to a huge segment of its population, and that's just the truth. Those who have always felt vulnerable are now left more so. Those whose voices have been silenced will be further quieted. Those who always felt marginalized will be pushed further to periphery. Those who feared they were seen as inferior now have confirmation in actual percentages.
Those things have essentially been campaign promises of Trump, and so many of our fellow citizens have said this is what they want too
This has never been about politics. This is not about one candidate over the other. It's not about one's ideas over another's. It's not blur vs. red. It's not her emails vs. his bad language. It's not her dishonesty vs. his indecency.
Its about overt racism and hostility toward minorities. It's about religion being weaponized. It's about crassness and vulgarity and disregard for women. It's about a barricaded, militarized, bully nation. It's about an unapologetic, open-faced ugliness.
And it's not only that these things have been ratified by our nation that grieve us; all this hatered, fear, racism, bigotry, and intolerance- it's knowing that these things have been amen-ed by our neighbors, our families. Our friends, those we work with and worship alongside. That is the most horrific thing of all. We now know how close this.
it feels like living in enemy territory being here now, and there's no way around that. We wake up today in a home we no longer recognize. We are grieving the loss of a place we used to love but no longer do. This may be America today but it is not the America we believe in or recognized or want.
This is not about a difference of political opinion, as that's far too small to mourn over. It's about a fundamental difference in how we view the worth of all people-not just those who look to talk to think or vote the way we do.
Grief always laments what might have been, the future we were robbed of, the tomorrow that we won't get to see, and that is what we walk through today. As a nation we had the opportunity to affirm the beauty of our diversity this day, to choose ideas over sound bytes, to let everyone know they had a place at the table, to be a beacon of goodness and decency we imagine that we are - and we said no.
The Scriptures say that weeping endures for a night but joy comes in the morning. We can't see that dawn coming any time soon.
And that is why we grieve."
Like I said a bit dramatic but he said what I think. That it's ok to be the Ugly American.
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Post by leftturnonly on Nov 9, 2016 20:17:19 GMT
I do not "accept" that any candidate lies or cheats. Nor do I condone it. It doesn't matter who else does it. Personally, I believed that Hillary's election meant more of the Obama presidency. I was not willing to vote for that. Or her. I respect your stance in the issues you chose to vote, but how is a vote for someone who is also a lying cheater not at least a tacit acceptance of it? Taking the idea that Trump is a lying cheater at face value here, the options were between two lying cheaters or a non-viable candidate. How does wanting your vote to count tacit acceptance of all of that candidate's faults? Or, perhaps more importantly, Why is a vote for one candidate a tacit acceptance while a vote for the other is not?
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Post by Darcy Collins on Nov 9, 2016 20:18:34 GMT
54% of male college graduates and 45% of female college graduates voted for Donald Trump. Like I said, my OWN personal experience with MY friends and family. I understand - I'm just providing some statistical reference.
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Post by pierkiss on Nov 9, 2016 20:22:03 GMT
Like I said, my OWN personal experience with MY friends and family. I understand - I'm just providing some statistical reference. It's cool. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/Q_m8lDOvc_3Le3r1GKdf.jpg)
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Post by thelmalou on Nov 9, 2016 20:24:11 GMT
I was 't going to say anything on this thread until I ran across this guy's comments about yesterday and how those of us on the other side feel. This John Pavlovitz is a bit too dramatic for me but I think he got it right. "Here is why we grieve today. I don't think you understand us right now. I think you believe this is all sour grapes; the crocodile tears of losing locker rooms with scoreboard going against us at the buzzer. I can only tell you that you're wrong. This is not about losing an election. This isn't about not winning a contest. This is about two very different ways of seeing the world. Hillary supporters believe in a diverse America; one where religion or skin color of sexual orientation or place of birth aren't liabilities or deficiencies or moral defects. Her campaign was one of inclusion and connection and interdependency. It was about building bridges and breaking ceilings. It was going high. Trump supporters believevin a very selective America; one that is largely white and straight and Christian, and the voting certified this. Donald Trump has never made any assertions otherwise. He ran a campaign of fear and exclusion and isolation -- and that's the vision of the world who voted for him endorsed. They have aligned with a wall-builder and a professed pussy-grabber, and they have co-signed his body of work, regardless of the reasons they gave for their votes. Every horrible thing Trump ever said about women or Muslims or people of color has now been validated. Every profanity - laced press conference and every call to bully protestors and every ignorant diatribe has been endorsed. Every piece of anti-LGBTQ legislation Mike Pence has championed has been signed off on. Half of our country has declared these things acceptable, noble ,American. This is the disconnect and source of our grief today. It isn't a political defeat that we're lamenting, it's a defeat for Humanity. We are not angry that our candidate lost. We're angry because our candidate's losing means this country will be less safe, less kind, and less available to a huge segment of its population, and that's just the truth. Those who have always felt vulnerable are now left more so. Those whose voices have been silenced will be further quieted. Those who always felt marginalized will be pushed further to periphery. Those who feared they were seen as inferior now have confirmation in actual percentages. Those things have essentially been campaign promises of Trump, and so many of our fellow citizens have said this is what they want too This has never been about politics. This is not about one candidate over the other. It's not about one's ideas over another's. It's not blur vs. red. It's not her emails vs. his bad language. It's not her dishonesty vs. his indecency. Its about overt racism and hostility toward minorities. It's about religion being weaponized. It's about crassness and vulgarity and disregard for women. It's about a barricaded, militarized, bully nation. It's about an unapologetic, open-faced ugliness. And it's not only that these things have been ratified by our nation that grieve us; all this hatered, fear, racism, bigotry, and intolerance- it's knowing that these things have been amen-ed by our neighbors, our families. Our friends, those we work with and worship alongside. That is the most horrific thing of all. We now know how close this. it feels like living in enemy territory being here now, and there's no way around that. We wake up today in a home we no longer recognize. We are grieving the loss of a place we used to love but no longer do. This may be America today but it is not the America we believe in or recognized or want. This is not about a difference of political opinion, as that's far too small to mourn over. It's about a fundamental difference in how we view the worth of all people-not just those who look to talk to think or vote the way we do. Grief always laments what might have been, the future we were robbed of, the tomorrow that we won't get to see, and that is what we walk through today. As a nation we had the opportunity to affirm the beauty of our diversity this day, to choose ideas over sound bytes, to let everyone know they had a place at the table, to be a beacon of goodness and decency we imagine that we are - and we said no. The Scriptures say that weeping endures for a night but joy comes in the morning. We can't see that dawn coming any time soon. And that is why we grieve." Like I said a bit dramatic but he said what I think. That it's ok to be the Ugly American.
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Post by Tamhugh on Nov 9, 2016 20:28:54 GMT
Here is where I got the impression that a lot of Trump supporters do support his racism, misogyny, etc....
Everytime, without fail, that I asked someone that I knew was supporting Trump, what they liked about him, they had the same answer. "He says what we are thinking". Not one of them could give me an answer beyond that. Now, to be fair, I am not including the people who were voting for him just because they were neverHillary. But actual Trump supporters, that was all they had for me.
Of course, I know that is not every one out there, but it is all of the ones I have encountered.
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Post by thelmalou on Nov 9, 2016 20:29:54 GMT
Don't tell me how or what I think as a Trump supporter. You have it all wrong.
And you should look in the mirror. You are being the ugly one. YOU are criticizing others and being the one full of hate. NOT ME! I don't believe I possess the negative traits you love to align to me. Go on feeling so justified and thinking you are so much better than other people, but I will tell you that YOU are the ignorant one. You DO NOT know me or why I have voted the way I have, so I'm tired of hearing these falsehoods! I will not try to explain my views because I believe there is no real desire to hear or understand them.
I have read such ugliness within posts on this forum throughout the election and it has made me sick. But I have not gotten on here and called Hilary supporters names. Then opposite cannot be said.
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Post by snowsilver on Nov 9, 2016 20:36:41 GMT
Tell me that the Republicans didn't feel the same towards the HILLARY supporters. They abused them just as much if not worse. People have ears. They heard Trump. His supporters screamed his message to the heavens and back. All I've been reading is hateful comments, racist (build the wall deport them..) hatefulness and verbal diarrhea over same sex marriage--that some how it's forcing people to do something--NO! It's only been about equality. From what I'm reading I think that there is going to be a big divide, trump supporters are not interested in what us retarded, stupid, ignorant, gay loving, inclusive, uneducated, bleeding heart libtards think, say, do, or need. I'm going to respond to you papercrafteradvocate (Dear girl, PLEASE give us something shorter to call you ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/MNrJDkDuSwqIMVw33MdD.jpg) ), because I sort of like you and I just want you to know that I, as a conservative, AM interested in what you think. I absolutely do not define you by ANY of the words you listed (retarded, stupid, ignorant, gay loving, inclusive, uneducated, bleeding heart libtards)--well, maybe inclusive, but that isn't a bad word to anyone, I don't think. I am very interested in the liberal point of view and am glad to discuss it when there is real discussion. Obviously, your side has good points in what you believe. You might even win me over some if you were willing to have a calm, friendly discussion. But I can promise you that the minute I am called a racist xenophobe, my ears shut down and discussion is over (and I am NOT saying that you do that--I'm using the word "you" in the general sense). There has to be a middle ground in this country. But we will never find it when all we do is sling mud at each other. I am saddened by the commentary on this thread--that so many liberals really believe (or say they do) that every person who voted for Trump was uneducated (clearly refuted by the statistics which showed that pretty much half of the college educated voted for him), xenophobic and racist. How can any of you really believe that! You must have a mighty narrow circle of friends. I have friends who voted for Hillary and I would NEVER stoop to calling them any nasty names. I care more about them than some election. They have brightened my life in so many wonderful ways that I can't imagine losing them over politics. Nor looking down on them for voting in a way that is different from me. So again papercrafteradvocate please know that I most certainly care what you think. And I even respect your opinions. They may not be mine, but they are at least as valid as mine and worthy of discussion.
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Post by zella on Nov 9, 2016 20:55:51 GMT
Do Clinton supporters really think all Trump supporters are racist, uncaring, ignorant and the plethora of other hateful comments that has been stated about Trump supporters? I voted for Trump, he was my choice , do I agree with everything he believes in GOD no, does he have the power to do everything he wants, probably not. He spoke to me for several reason... the main one is to stop the handouts. I'm sick of seeing social programs being abused. I'm sick of my family working hard and supporting those that don't. I think we need a major shake up, being so politically correct has made our nation weak. There is a difference between being polite and being weak and I think this is where Trump resonates with the country. Do I think we should go back to the good old days, god no but do I think we need to re-evaluate our foreign policies/aid, our government aid here in America & our support for those that defend us ( military, LEO and etc...)... yes. We need to bring back jobs, re-build communities and help Americans stand on their own and get off government assistance. Please, I know many of you are upset, but to sit here and make any statements that Trump supporters are bastards,ignorant, uneducated or racists lumps everyone into the same basket. All things I have seen written here, main reason I have stayed away from voicing why I support Trump. So is that really how you feel? Then you are very lucky. And if you think there is no luck involved, you are fooling yourself. With NO warning I found myself the sole supporter of two children under 3 and I had no home and no job. How we would have survived without food stamps and WIC, I have no idea. Fast forward a few years and my now-husband is becoming a permanent resident. He is ineligible for ANY government benefits for ten years. So when his company went bankrupt, he was eligible for ZERO unemployment benefits. We lost all our savings just trying to survive until he found another job (I was working 2 jobs then, about 70 hours a week). I didn't have a college degree when I was on food stamps, but I came from the middle class. My husband had been making WELL over $100,000 a year. He didn't have a lot saved up yet as he was recently divorced and his ex-wife didn't leave him with much. Needing benefits can happen to ANYONE. ANYONE at all. It is LUCK that you are born into a family that is doing okay. Luck that your company doesn't go under. Luck if you are healthy and don't rack up medical bills in the tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands. So when someone says "I'm sick of my family working hard and supporting those that don't," it makes me angry. Other than the 7 months or so he was unemployed, my dh has worked, often multiple jobs, since he was 14. He has paid an enormous sum into a governmental system he can only recently use (hasn't needed to, thank goodness). I am atheist and I FIRMLY believe that we should help those less fortunate than ourselves. Yet so many self-appointed Christians talk about "hand outs" like they are dirty words. I also believe that of those who are given more, more is expected. We SHOULD take care of the poor, the disabled, the children, because it is the right thing to do. And if you think that can be done privately, then I ask that you look back at history, and at nations around the world that don't have things like food stamps, because what you will see is a hell of a lot of suffering.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Nov 9, 2016 20:58:01 GMT
Here is where I got the impression that a lot of Trump supporters do support his racism, misogyny, etc.... Everytime, without fail, that I asked someone that I knew was supporting Trump, what they liked about him, they had the same answer. "He says what we are thinking". Not one of them could give me an answer beyond that. Now, to be fair, I am not including the people who were voting for him just because they were neverHillary. But actual Trump supporters, that was all they had for me. Of course, I know that is not every one out there, but it is all of the ones I have encountered. But what part of "he says" do you think they're responding to? I remember after a few weeks of primaries I sat down and listened to one of Trump's speeches in its entirety. It's when I first came here and talked about the Reagan Democrats and the populist message that was also driving Bernie Sanders. Prior to listening to the whole speech, I pretty much heard the snippets that were reported on in the media and they were heavy on the "build a wall" sound bites. The particular speech I listened to spent at least 50% on jobs. Over and over again it was an economic message - and the crowd LOVED it. I'm not excusing the more outrageous things Trump said - and fully understand why many could not and would not support him based on those messages. But I'm just saying that perhaps some of those supporters were responding to OTHER things Trump said - not just the racism and misogyny.
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Post by annabella on Nov 9, 2016 20:59:28 GMT
I respect my republicans as just having different opinions. The problem with trump was that he had a horrible character. That's why it's so shocking that people would vote for someone who belittles women on Twitter. That is not presidential behavior and am embarrassment to our country. I can not get past that.
There's plenty of "crookedness" about Trump too, but Trump harped on that word regarding Hillary and people got blinders on them regarding her emails.
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Post by mom on Nov 9, 2016 20:59:51 GMT
zella If I am understanding @leowife correctly, she isnt opposed to people who need the benefits. She is opposed to those who are abusing them (staying on longer than needed as to not get a job, etc). There is a difference in what she said and how you replied.
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Post by annabella on Nov 9, 2016 21:03:49 GMT
Just read this thread and does anyone see the irony that Trump supporters had no problem with his nasty name calling, but are quick to call to task any Hillary supporter for doing the same.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Nov 9, 2016 21:07:42 GMT
I respect your stance in the issues you chose to vote, but how is a vote for someone who is also a lying cheater not at least a tacit acceptance of it? Taking the idea that Trump is a lying cheater at face value here, the options were between two lying cheaters or a non-viable candidate. How does wanting your vote to count tacit acceptance of all of that candidate's faults? Or, perhaps more importantly, Why is a vote for one candidate a tacit acceptance while a vote for the other is not? Just out of curiosity - why were they non-viable? What made others, who also followed the basic party policies and ideals, unelectable, but not Trump?
I acknowledge that the field was somewhat slim but I know that Trump wasn't the best that the Republican Party has to offer. What is the impediment that keeps better candidates from running.
What it comes down to, for me, is that this wasn't always a 'hold your nose and vote' scenario for the Republicans. 'You' chose this candidate from a field of candidates who were, policy-wise, like-minded but who just weren't so Trump-ish.
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Post by bc2ca on Nov 9, 2016 21:18:21 GMT
Do Clinton supporters really think all Trump supporters are racist, uncaring, ignorant and the plethora of other hateful comments that has been stated about Trump supporters? Please, I know many of you are upset, but to sit here and make any statements that Trump supporters are bastards,ignorant, uneducated or racists lumps everyone into the same basket. All things I have seen written here, main reason I have stayed away from voicing why I support Trump. So is that really how you feel? I think some very nice people voted Republican for a number of reasons and are, whether they like it or not, sitting in the basket with the deplorables, because the deplorables believe you are one of them. You can sit to one side of the basket and claim to be "better" but it is hard for those on the outside to figure out who is who. Some do make it easier proudly wearing Trump that Bitch and other similar logos. Honestly, I have more respect for Republicans who weren't able to vote for Trump than those that held their nose and now are trying to separate themselves as a nondeplorable. Yes, this is how I really feel and I'm not saying this with anger or malice. SaveSaveSaveSave
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