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Post by ahiller on Nov 10, 2016 16:23:05 GMT
If you follow @shaunking on twitter, he has a video showing white middle schoolers in Royal Oak, Michigan, which is a decently diverse area, chanting "Build a wall, build a wall" in their lunch room. Do we still think our children aren't listening?
Shaun King has many other incidents of racism that happened yesterday as well, if you are interested in reading more.
Republican friends on this board and in real life have asked us to come together, united behind this new president. If you truly want that to happen, if you don't want to be called a racist or homophobe unfairly, then you have to denounce these things. Not just here or with a demure "Oh, that's a shame" but loudly and in public and on social media for all to see. You have to demand it from our new president and his most ardent supporters. This is what those kids were protesting yesterday. This is the whole ballgame right here if you want to set a unifying tone for the next 4 years. This is what SO many of us are talking about.
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Post by ellen on Nov 10, 2016 16:33:14 GMT
This also happened in my niece's suburban middle school and the high school where my sister teaches. Both schools have great diversity in their student populations. At my sister's school the minority students got up and walked out of the building.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Nov 10, 2016 16:57:20 GMT
And in our area on the local news last night they reported disgusting racial slurs scrawled in high school bathroom stalls. Most of it was so bad they had to blur it out.
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Post by flanz on Nov 10, 2016 17:01:00 GMT
Heartbreaking but sadly, not surprising. Drumpf spewed sooo much hate in all forms, against most everyone, and now even kids feel its okay to spew hate too.
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Post by moodyblue on Nov 10, 2016 17:10:24 GMT
Yep, the kids are listening. And they heard a lot of hate and divisive talk. Is it any surprise that they learn from the adults around them? And that includes the man who has been on the news so much for the past year and more, spewing all kinds of nasty talk.
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Post by mollycoddle on Nov 10, 2016 17:12:43 GMT
Charming.🙄
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Post by pierkiss on Nov 10, 2016 17:14:53 GMT
This is so fucking shameful. I cannot believe we are in this place as a country.
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Post by kibble on Nov 10, 2016 17:22:18 GMT
Not surprising, but disgusting.
When a bully gets elected do people really thing "do as I say and not as I do" will work?
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Post by CarefreeSadie on Nov 10, 2016 17:27:20 GMT
This baffles me. Just because a man running for president says we need to build a wall to keep out illegals, children (young adults) think it is perfectly fine to chant build a wall in an accusing manner towards people who are different then they are? Was it in an accusing manner? Was it meant to belittle people? How did the school handle this? Is this in itself considered a hate crime?
Sure, I will stand up and say this is wrong! I am not sure how to ask this but do you (general you) think this behavior is totally on President Elect Trump? Or is there a deeper problem with the main people in these children's lives? In my life there are consequences for the things I say and do, are there no consequences for these children when they do something hateful to a group of people?
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Post by kibble on Nov 10, 2016 17:27:34 GMT
And if you read the comments people are defending this. I'm losing faith in my country. What is happening? ?
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Post by used2scrap on Nov 10, 2016 17:33:36 GMT
This baffles me. Just because a man running for president says we need to build a wall to keep out illegals, children (young adults) think it is perfectly fine to chant build a wall in an accusing manner towards people who are different then they are? Was it in an accusing manner? Was it meant to belittle people? How did the school handle this? Is this in itself considered a hate crime? Sure, I will stand up and say this is wrong! I am not sure how to ask this but do you (general you) think this behavior is totally on President Elect Trump? Or is there a deeper problem with the main people in these children's lives? In my life there are consequences for the things I say and do, are there no consequences for these children when they do something hateful to a group of people? Why wouldn't kids think it is ok to build a wall to seperate by race when the country just elected a President advocating the exact same thing? Since when are kids going to differentiate between the light and dark people we don't build walls between and the ones we do? What's next, everyone walking around with papers pinned to their shirts? Why would they be punished? We just elected a President for the same speech!
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Post by katlady on Nov 10, 2016 17:40:12 GMT
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Post by pierkiss on Nov 10, 2016 17:41:12 GMT
This baffles me. Just because a man running for president says we need to build a wall to keep out illegals, children (young adults) think it is perfectly fine to chant build a wall in an accusing manner towards people who are different then they are? Was it in an accusing manner? Was it meant to belittle people? How did the school handle this? Is this in itself considered a hate crime? Sure, I will stand up and say this is wrong! I am not sure how to ask this but do you (general you) think this behavior is totally on President Elect Trump? Or is there a deeper problem with the main people in these children's lives? In my life there are consequences for the things I say and do, are there no consequences for these children when they do something hateful to a group of people? I think it's a combination of both. Trump sound bites have dominated all the news stations over the past however long (I seriously can't remember how long the campaigning has gone on. Too long). A lot of those sound bites were of him saying hateful things directed towards all groups of minorities. And a ton of those sound bites were about building that damn wall and "keeping all those illegal Mexicans out of our country". Even if the parents never discussed Trump and his politics with their kids or within earshot of their kids, if they had the news on, the kids heard it all. Just because a kid doesn't comment right when they hear something does not mean they are not listening and absorbing those messages. And then you have some parents of some kids who are racist, and are teaching their kids that these people shouldn't be in our country. That they are lesser simply because of where they are from, the color of their skin, or the types of clothes they wear.
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Post by CarefreeSadie on Nov 10, 2016 17:42:46 GMT
This baffles me. Just because a man running for president says we need to build a wall to keep out illegals, children (young adults) think it is perfectly fine to chant build a wall in an accusing manner towards people who are different then they are? Was it in an accusing manner? Was it meant to belittle people? How did the school handle this? Is this in itself considered a hate crime? Sure, I will stand up and say this is wrong! I am not sure how to ask this but do you (general you) think this behavior is totally on President Elect Trump? Or is there a deeper problem with the main people in these children's lives? In my life there are consequences for the things I say and do, are there no consequences for these children when they do something hateful to a group of people? Why wouldn't kids think it is ok to build a wall to seperate by race when the country just elected a President advocating the exact same thing? Since when are kids going to differentiate between the light and dark people we don't build walls between and the ones we do? What's next, everyone walking around with papers pinned to their shirts? Why would they be punished? We just elected a President for the same speech! Our President Elect made speeches about building a wall to keep illegal immigration in check, I do not believe he ever made a speech about keeping US citizens separate from each other. This is what baffles me, how does one (general one) get from building a southern wall to stop illegal immigration to just building walls to segregate?
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Post by CarefreeSadie on Nov 10, 2016 17:49:07 GMT
This baffles me. Just because a man running for president says we need to build a wall to keep out illegals, children (young adults) think it is perfectly fine to chant build a wall in an accusing manner towards people who are different then they are? Was it in an accusing manner? Was it meant to belittle people? How did the school handle this? Is this in itself considered a hate crime? Sure, I will stand up and say this is wrong! I am not sure how to ask this but do you (general you) think this behavior is totally on President Elect Trump? Or is there a deeper problem with the main people in these children's lives? In my life there are consequences for the things I say and do, are there no consequences for these children when they do something hateful to a group of people? I think it's a combination of both. Trump sound bites have dominated all the news stations over the past however long (I seriously can't remember how long the campaigning has gone on. Too long). A lot of those sound bites were of him saying hateful things directed towards all groups of minorities. And a ton of those sound bites were about building that damn wall and "keeping all those illegal Mexicans out of our country". Even if the parents never discussed Trump and his politics with their kids or within earshot of their kids, if they had the news on, the kids heard it all. Just because a kid doesn't comment right when they hear something does not mean they are not listening and absorbing those messages. And then you have some parents of some kids who are racist, and are teaching their kids that these people shouldn't be in our country. That they are lesser simply because of where they are from, the color of their skin, or the types of clothes they wear. Thank you! I guess we all need to discuss things with the children in our lives in case they have come to the wrong conclusion about things that were said in this campaign season (which I agree was way too long).
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Post by used2scrap on Nov 10, 2016 17:53:09 GMT
Why wouldn't kids think it is ok to build a wall to seperate by race when the country just elected a President advocating the exact same thing? Since when are kids going to differentiate between the light and dark people we don't build walls between and the ones we do? What's next, everyone walking around with papers pinned to their shirts? Why would they be punished? We just elected a President for the same speech! Our President Elect made speeches about building a wall to keep illegal immigration in check, I do not believe he ever made a speech about keeping US citizens separate from each other. This is what baffles me, how does one (general one) get from building a southern wall to stop illegal immigration to just building walls to segregate? If the wall is about immigration and not race, why aren't we building one on the Canadian border too?
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Post by pierkiss on Nov 10, 2016 17:57:04 GMT
Why wouldn't kids think it is ok to build a wall to seperate by race when the country just elected a President advocating the exact same thing? Since when are kids going to differentiate between the light and dark people we don't build walls between and the ones we do? What's next, everyone walking around with papers pinned to their shirts? Why would they be punished? We just elected a President for the same speech! Our President Elect made speeches about building a wall to keep illegal immigration in check, I do not believe he ever made a speech about keeping US citizens separate from each other. This is what baffles me, how does one (general one) get from building a southern wall to stop illegal immigration to just building walls to segregate? These are kids. They are not mature enough to understand or know which people are here legally, and which ones are here illegally. And actually, even the adults don't really know which people are here illegally and which ones are here legally. You can't determine that just by looking at someone. From the kids point of view, based on what they've for sure heard on tv or read online, if you are brown, or have a generally Hispanic (or honestly wherever) sounding name, you must be an illegal. One of those "bad people" that man on tv wants to keep out and away from us. Kids make large generalizations about the people and things in their world. It's part of how they learn. And Donald Trump made sweeping generalizations about people from all ethnicities. He said that all Mexicans were murders and rapists at one point. (You'll have to forgive my not getting the quote exactly right. I can't keep track of exactly what he's said about which groups of people).
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Post by CarefreeSadie on Nov 10, 2016 17:58:05 GMT
Our President Elect made speeches about building a wall to keep illegal immigration in check, I do not believe he ever made a speech about keeping US citizens separate from each other. This is what baffles me, how does one (general one) get from building a southern wall to stop illegal immigration to just building walls to segregate? If the wall is about immigration and not race, why aren't we building one on the Canadian border too? I don't know, really I don't! Except that the Canadians take care of that border pretty good. A US citizen that has been arrested for drunk driving cannot get into Canada to go fishing, so I think, but personally do not know that Canada has that covered going both ways. For me and most people I know building the southern wall is about illegal immigration and not about segregation.
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Post by scrappyoutlaw on Nov 10, 2016 17:58:52 GMT
This is just down the road from me. Royal Oak is also considered quite liberal which makes it all the more surprising and heartbreaking to me.
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Nov 10, 2016 18:01:11 GMT
As someone who is in favor of a wall, I do not consider this racist. It's a fact that many of the illegals in this country come over our Southern border. The fact that most of those people are of Latino or Hispanic descent doesn't mean it's racist. It's just a factual reality.
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Post by paigepea on Nov 10, 2016 18:05:13 GMT
This baffles me. Just because a man running for president says we need to build a wall to keep out illegals, children (young adults) think it is perfectly fine to chant build a wall in an accusing manner towards people who are different then they are? Was it in an accusing manner? Was it meant to belittle people? How did the school handle this? Is this in itself considered a hate crime? Sure, I will stand up and say this is wrong! I am not sure how to ask this but do you (general you) think this behavior is totally on President Elect Trump? Or is there a deeper problem with the main people in these children's lives? In my life there are consequences for the things I say and do, are there no consequences for these children when they do something hateful to a group of people? I get what you're saying, but allowing trump to say his words without being punished gives other citizens a pass to say what they're thinking (similar or taken up a notch) and so on and so on and so on. It's like America has a green light to speak their minds, whether politically correct or not, and the children hear it. If Trump can speak his mind why can't these kids. Bullying will be hard to stop now. I understand having freedom to speak your mind, but somehow the value of respecting others seems to be lost.
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Post by ahiller on Nov 10, 2016 18:06:26 GMT
This baffles me. Just because a man running for president says we need to build a wall to keep out illegals, children (young adults) think it is perfectly fine to chant build a wall in an accusing manner towards people who are different then they are? Was it in an accusing manner? Was it meant to belittle people? How did the school handle this? Is this in itself considered a hate crime? Sure, I will stand up and say this is wrong! I am not sure how to ask this but do you (general you) think this behavior is totally on President Elect Trump? Or is there a deeper problem with the main people in these children's lives? In my life there are consequences for the things I say and do, are there no consequences for these children when they do something hateful to a group of people? I think he opened the floodgates. There has always been an underbelly of racism in this country, he just made it acceptable and "mainstream" for people to say it in public.
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Post by used2scrap on Nov 10, 2016 18:07:50 GMT
If the wall is about immigration and not race, why aren't we building one on the Canadian border too? I don't know, really I don't! Except that the Canadians take care of that border pretty good. A US citizen that has been arrested for drunk driving cannot get into Canada to go fishing, so I think, but personally do not know that Canada has that covered going both ways. For me and most people I know building the southern wall is about illegal immigration and not about segregation. But for an awful lot of people in this country, it is about race, the chanting shows that. And the statements Trump made about all Mexicans being rapists etc. doesn't seem like it's about immigration either. And if Canada can secure their border well without a wall, why can't we? If it is about immigration, how about campaign pledges to increase border patrols, checkpoints funding etc. not "build a wall".
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Post by ahiller on Nov 10, 2016 18:09:15 GMT
As someone who is in favor of a wall, I do not consider this racist. It's a fact that many of the illegals in this country come over our Southern border. The fact that most of those people are of Latino or Hispanic descent doesn't mean it's racist. It's just a factual reality. JFC. We are talking about children. So when kids at Jackie's school starting chanting for Jews to get out, will that be acceptable too? It's never appropriate to belittle a child. Truly, I think in all of my years on 2 peas this has to be one of the worst things you have said. And that's saying something.
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Post by paigepea on Nov 10, 2016 18:09:19 GMT
Why wouldn't kids think it is ok to build a wall to seperate by race when the country just elected a President advocating the exact same thing? Since when are kids going to differentiate between the light and dark people we don't build walls between and the ones we do? What's next, everyone walking around with papers pinned to their shirts? Why would they be punished? We just elected a President for the same speech! Our President Elect made speeches about building a wall to keep illegal immigration in check, I do not believe he ever made a speech about keeping US citizens separate from each other. This is what baffles me, how does one (general one) get from building a southern wall to stop illegal immigration to just building walls to segregate? It's the snow ball effect.
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Post by disneypal on Nov 10, 2016 18:10:27 GMT
a video showing white middle schoolers in Royal Oak, Michigan, which is a decently diverse area, chanting "Build a wall, build a wall" in their lunch room. That makes me sad - these are kids - I thought/hoped the younger generation were more unified when it came to ethnicity.
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Nov 10, 2016 18:11:12 GMT
As someone who is in favor of a wall, I do not consider this racist. It's a fact that many of the illegals in this country come over our Southern border. The fact that most of those people are of Latino or Hispanic descent doesn't mean it's racist. It's just a factual reality. JFC. We are talking about children. So when kids at Jackie's school starting chanting for Jews to get out, will that be acceptable too? It's never appropriate to belittle a child. Truly, I think in all of my years on 2 peas this has to be one of the worst things you have said. And that's saying something. Stop being so dramatic. The kids are not chanting for people to get out. They are chanting to keep people from illegally entering this country. Big difference although it certainly doesn't suit your agenda to acknowledge that.
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Post by pierkiss on Nov 10, 2016 18:13:07 GMT
As someone who is in favor of a wall, I do not consider this racist. It's a fact that many of the illegals in this country come over our Southern border. The fact that most of those people are of Latino or Hispanic descent doesn't mean it's racist. It's just a factual reality. Might I ask you a question? How will the wall prevent people from digging tunnels and coming in that way? It's already happening now, and the exit points appear to be so well hidden that they are often not found for months.
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Post by ahiller on Nov 10, 2016 18:13:59 GMT
JFC. We are talking about children. So when kids at Jackie's school starting chanting for Jews to get out, will that be acceptable too? It's never appropriate to belittle a child. Truly, I think in all of my years on 2 peas this has to be one of the worst things you have said. And that's saying something. Stop being so dramatic. The kids are not chanting for people to get out. They are chanting to keep people from illegally entering this country. Big difference although it certainly doesn't suit your agenda to acknowledge that. Bless your heart.
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Nov 10, 2016 18:14:22 GMT
I'm not saying (and I doubt Trump is saying) that a wall would stop 100% of those coming here illegally. But it will make it more difficult and thus easier to control who enters the country.
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