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Post by paigepea on Nov 10, 2016 18:30:17 GMT
I don't know, really I don't! Except that the Canadians take care of that border pretty good. A US citizen that has been arrested for drunk driving cannot get into Canada to go fishing, so I think, but personally do not know that Canada has that covered going both ways. For me and most people I know building the southern wall is about illegal immigration and not about segregation. But for an awful lot of people in this country, it is about race, the chanting shows that. And the statements Trump made about all Mexicans being rapists etc. doesn't seem like it's about immigration either. And if Canada can secure their border well without a wall, why can't we? If it is about immigration, how about campaign pledges to increase border patrols, checkpoints funding etc. not "build a wall". Just want to point out that Canada only borders the US and Americans aren't trying to get into Canada illegally. So Canada doesn't have the same issue.
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Post by kibble on Nov 10, 2016 18:34:50 GMT
JFC. We are talking about children. So when kids at Jackie's school starting chanting for Jews to get out, will that be acceptable too? It's never appropriate to belittle a child. Truly, I think in all of my years on 2 peas this has to be one of the worst things you have said. And that's saying something. Stop being so dramatic. The kids are not chanting for people to get out. They are chanting to keep people from illegally entering this country. Big difference although it certainly doesn't suit your agenda to acknowledge that. Are you kidding me? You can't seriously believe that. They are chanting because they are parroting their parents. They aren't differentiating between illegals and just other races. How would they even know their classmates are illegal or not? They are basing what they are saying on their skin color. You really are blind.
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Nov 10, 2016 18:36:57 GMT
Parroting their parents? You mean like all the parents who were wailing about how are they going to explain Trump's win to their 6 year olds? The only reason those 6 year olds are scared is because of the hysteria of their parents about Trump.
And you're putting your own interpretation on the words "building the wall". I'm not the one who's blind sweetie.
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Post by used2scrap on Nov 10, 2016 18:39:40 GMT
But for an awful lot of people in this country, it is about race, the chanting shows that. And the statements Trump made about all Mexicans being rapists etc. doesn't seem like it's about immigration either. And if Canada can secure their border well without a wall, why can't we? If it is about immigration, how about campaign pledges to increase border patrols, checkpoints funding etc. not "build a wall". Just want to point out that Canada only borders the US and Americans aren't trying to get into Canada illegally. So Canada doesn't have the same issue. You might be about to start lol
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Post by cade387 on Nov 10, 2016 18:40:02 GMT
If the wall is about immigration and not race, why aren't we building one on the Canadian border too? I don't know, really I don't! Except that the Canadians take care of that border pretty good. A US citizen that has been arrested for drunk driving cannot get into Canada to go fishing, so I think, but personally do not know that Canada has that covered going both ways. For me and most people I know building the southern wall is about illegal immigration and not about segregation. Canadians don't allow people into Canada. There have been documentaries on the northern border. We divert most of our resources to the southern border, therefore the northern one is very sparse from an ICE situation. There are a lot of mountains and areas with no roads that folks cross. I'm on a northern border state. There are stories about people coming into the US illegally from Canada as well. But it is easier to blame Mexico.
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Post by used2scrap on Nov 10, 2016 18:41:33 GMT
I'm not saying (and I doubt Trump is saying) that a wall would stop 100% of those coming here illegally. But it will make it more difficult and thus easier to control who enters the country. Ok we build this wall. Then what? Are we going to militarize it? Literally are we going to be shooting and killing people on the border like North Korea or East Berlin?? This will make us great again?
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Nov 10, 2016 18:42:03 GMT
and you know Mexico is NOT going to pay for that wall, right?? Because they won't. So who WILL?? Is that the millions of jobs he's talking about, for American citizens to build the wall?? With what money?? He ran on a platform of liberals spending too much money as it is! or was it just too much money on SOCIAL programs, and the funding for Planned Parenthood can now go to the wall?
And don't be so disingenuous to say that 'it's to keep people OUT, not get rid of people who are already here' You know better than that- he DID say he wanted to deport illegal immigrants that are here. How is some mush-headed third-grader supposed to know whether the Hispanic student who sits next to them is here legally or not?
AND: They're just saying what they've heard ADULTS say. Adults like Trump, and when HE says things like that, the thousands of people at his rallies cheered. But NOW that it's being said by kids, you're trying to put the kids' behavior only on their parents?? What about the kids whose parents were AT those rallies, and who were actually cheering for that behavior??
You keep vomiting all over this site that the majority of Americans WANTED him to be President--HE said those things, and HE talked like that. And people CHEERED when he did it. NOW you say that you think these kids' parents should have been telling them all along that THEY can't act like that?? FFS. Come on.
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Post by used2scrap on Nov 10, 2016 18:43:06 GMT
Parroting their parents? You mean like all the parents who were wailing about how are they going to explain Trump's win to their 6 year olds? The only reason those 6 year olds are scared is because of the hysteria of their parents about Trump. And you're putting your own interpretation on the words "building the wall". I'm not the one who's blind sweetie. Parents who are trying to explain to their kids why kids were chanting "build a wall" in the cafeteria?
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Post by kibble on Nov 10, 2016 18:47:15 GMT
Parroting their parents? You mean like all the parents who were wailing about how are they going to explain Trump's win to their 6 year olds? The only reason those 6 year olds are scared is because of the hysteria of their parents about Trump. And you're putting your own interpretation on the words "building the wall". I'm not the one who's blind sweetie. Well Bless your heart That's as nice as I can be to someone so unwilling to admit the truth.
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Nov 10, 2016 18:47:48 GMT
and you know Mexico is NOT going to pay for that wall, right?? Because they won't. So who WILL?? Is that the millions of jobs he's talking about, for American citizens to build the wall?? With what money?? He ran on a platform of liberals spending too much money as it is! or was it just too much money on SOCIAL programs, and the funding for Planned Parenthood can now go to the wall? And don't be so disingenuous to say that 'it's to keep people OUT, not get rid of people who are already here' You know better than that- he DID say he wanted to deport illegal immigrants that are here. How is some mush-headed third-grader supposed to know whether the Hispanic student who sits next to them is here legally or not? AND: They're just saying what they've heard ADULTS say. Adults like Trump, and when HE says things like that, the thousands of people at his rallies cheered. But NOW that it's being said by kids, you're trying to put the kids' behavior only on their parents?? What about the kids whose parents were AT those rallies, and who were actually cheering for that behavior??
You keep vomiting all over this site that the majority of Americans WANTED him to be President--HE said those things, and HE talked like that. And people CHEERED when he did it. NOW you say that you think these kids' parents should have been telling them all along that THEY can't act like that?? FFS. Come on.Hmmm., how many illegals are we supporting with welfare, health coverage, education etc? I'm sure it's far more than the wall.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Nov 10, 2016 18:49:59 GMT
find me some data.
I'm sure aliens exist, and bigfoot, and a whole bunch of other shit, too. The whole campaign was built on 'supposition' and 'well, maybe...' and 'we don't have any evidence that she WASN'T guilty of something'
ETA: I take it back-- before you can reply with your sanctimonious 'you go find the data, I'm not the one who wants to see it' BS. You can *suppose* anything you want, and SO CAN WE.
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Post by Anita on Nov 10, 2016 18:53:12 GMT
Our President Elect made speeches about building a wall to keep illegal immigration in check, I do not believe he ever made a speech about keeping US citizens separate from each other. This is what baffles me, how does one (general one) get from building a southern wall to stop illegal immigration to just building walls to segregate? If the wall is about immigration and not race, why aren't we building one on the Canadian border too? If Canadians are smart, THEY will build a wall. Maybe they can make Trump pay for it.
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Nov 10, 2016 18:54:36 GMT
Well considering who's threatening to go there (ummmm, Al Sharpton, Miley Cyrus, Wiener, Rosie O'Donnell), they'd be very smart to do so.
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Post by carly on Nov 10, 2016 18:58:34 GMT
Damn y'all acting like they were chanting "fuck the police" like they did during obamas presidency.
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Post by used2scrap on Nov 10, 2016 19:00:39 GMT
Damn y'all acting like they were chanting "fuck the police" like they did during obamas presidency. I don't recall hearing Pres Obama say fuck the police, but Pres Elect Trump did say he'll build the wall.
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Post by carly on Nov 10, 2016 19:03:04 GMT
Damn y'all acting like they were chanting "fuck the police" like they did during obamas presidency. I don't recall hearing Pres Obama say fuck the police, but Pres Elect Trump did say he'll build the wall. I hope he builds that wall! That's why I voted for him. I do recall hearing obama calling the police stupid.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Nov 10, 2016 19:06:18 GMT
Yowzers - I don't even know why I'm entering this discussion as it's already pretty far off the rails. I do think we need to acknowledge a few things though. The fact that the US isn't concerned about the Canadian border, but is about the southern border has absolutely nothing to do with race. I'm sorry that's just silly. If the Canadian border was seeing more than 1,000 people per DAY illegally crossing - people would be concerned. I'm not a fan of the wall as it does not seem to be a practical, economic solution to the problem. But every nation on earth limits and controls immigration - that's not racist. Where are calls of UK racisms when they refused to allow refugees to enter from the Calais Jungle. Do people think that if the UK wasn't protected by the channel but instead was seeing those thousands of people entering the country uncontrolled they wouldn't be discussing border security?
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Post by jonda1974 on Nov 10, 2016 19:20:28 GMT
and you know Mexico is NOT going to pay for that wall, right?? Because they won't. So who WILL?? Is that the millions of jobs he's talking about, for American citizens to build the wall?? With what money?? He ran on a platform of liberals spending too much money as it is! or was it just too much money on SOCIAL programs, and the funding for Planned Parenthood can now go to the wall? And don't be so disingenuous to say that 'it's to keep people OUT, not get rid of people who are already here' You know better than that- he DID say he wanted to deport illegal immigrants that are here. How is some mush-headed third-grader supposed to know whether the Hispanic student who sits next to them is here legally or not? AND: They're just saying what they've heard ADULTS say. Adults like Trump, and when HE says things like that, the thousands of people at his rallies cheered. But NOW that it's being said by kids, you're trying to put the kids' behavior only on their parents?? What about the kids whose parents were AT those rallies, and who were actually cheering for that behavior??
You keep vomiting all over this site that the majority of Americans WANTED him to be President--HE said those things, and HE talked like that. And people CHEERED when he did it. NOW you say that you think these kids' parents should have been telling them all along that THEY can't act like that?? FFS. Come on.Actually - That one is pretty easy. In 2013 which is the most recent records I could find on google, the US gave Mexico 51.5 million in aid. They estimate the wall could cost around $25 billion dollars. 1. Stop all foreign aid to Mexico. 2. Block all money transfers from the US to Mexico. (est. $24 billion). Liberals continue to confuse immigration with illegal immigration. Big difference. We do need to overhaul our immigration system to provide opportunities for low income people to immigrate here as well, either through a guest worker program, or other avenues. We also need to start with the deportation of any illegal immigrant with a criminal background, and if their countries won't take them back, then we stop all aid to those countries as well.
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Nov 10, 2016 19:28:47 GMT
Yowzers - I don't even know why I'm entering this discussion as it's already pretty far off the rails. I do think we need to acknowledge a few things though. The fact that the US isn't concerned about the Canadian border, but is about the southern border has absolutely nothing to do with race. I'm sorry that's just silly. If the Canadian border was seeing more than 1,000 people per DAY illegally crossing - people would be concerned. I'm not a fan of the wall as it does not seem to be a practical, economic solution to the problem. But every nation on earth limits and controls immigration - that's not racist. Where are calls of UK racisms when they refused to allow refugees to enter from the Calais Jungle. Do people think that if the UK wasn't protected by the channel but instead was seeing those thousands of people entering the country uncontrolled they wouldn't be discussing border security? OMG, PLEASE don't go throwing rationality into their group hysteria.
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Post by sawwhet on Nov 10, 2016 19:34:07 GMT
I don't know, really I don't! Except that the Canadians take care of that border pretty good. A US citizen that has been arrested for drunk driving cannot get into Canada to go fishing, so I think, but personally do not know that Canada has that covered going both ways. For me and most people I know building the southern wall is about illegal immigration and not about segregation. Canadians don't allow people into Canada. There have been documentaries on the northern border. We divert most of our resources to the southern border, therefore the northern one is very sparse from an ICE situation. There are a lot of mountains and areas with no roads that folks cross. I'm on a northern border state. There are stories about people coming into the US illegally from Canada as well. But it is easier to blame Mexico. We don't allow people into Canada? Not illegally. Otherwise yes, we do. Lots of people, refuges and immigrants. People going to the US illegally from Canada? Probably. But not many. Then again, it's up to the US to patrol people coming from Canada. We monitor those going into Canada. Not the mass of people that have come from Mexico and Central America. If people are walking or boarding trains in Mexico to cross the border for a better life, they most likely aren't spending thousands of dollars to fly to Canada, buy passports, rent vehicles to get to the border to cross into the US. You'd need some $ to do that.
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Post by used2scrap on Nov 10, 2016 19:36:05 GMT
Yowzers - I don't even know why I'm entering this discussion as it's already pretty far off the rails. I do think we need to acknowledge a few things though. The fact that the US isn't concerned about the Canadian border, but is about the southern border has absolutely nothing to do with race. I'm sorry that's just silly. If the Canadian border was seeing more than 1,000 people per DAY illegally crossing - people would be concerned. I'm not a fan of the wall as it does not seem to be a practical, economic solution to the problem. But every nation on earth limits and controls immigration - that's not racist. Where are calls of UK racisms when they refused to allow refugees to enter from the Calais Jungle. Do people think that if the UK wasn't protected by the channel but instead was seeing those thousands of people entering the country uncontrolled they wouldn't be discussing border security? OMG, PLEASE don't go throwing rationality into their group hysteria. I don't know, did the prime minister say every immigrant was a rapist? Of course illegal immigration can be discussed without being racist. But Pres Elect Trump made the discussion racist (and anti Muslim) kids are clearly picking up on it.
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Nov 10, 2016 19:38:11 GMT
Of course it "can". But it never happens here.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Nov 10, 2016 19:46:05 GMT
OMG, PLEASE don't go throwing rationality into their group hysteria. I don't know, did the prime minister say every immigrant was a rapist? Of course illegal immigration can be discussed without being racist. But Pres Elect Trump made the discussion racist (and anti Muslim) kids are clearly picking up on it. For accuracy - Donald Trump did not say every immigrant was a rapist. His actually comments were inflammatory enough, you don't need to embellish them.
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Post by cade387 on Nov 10, 2016 19:50:18 GMT
Canadians don't allow people into Canada. There have been documentaries on the northern border. We divert most of our resources to the southern border, therefore the northern one is very sparse from an ICE situation. There are a lot of mountains and areas with no roads that folks cross. I'm on a northern border state. There are stories about people coming into the US illegally from Canada as well. But it is easier to blame Mexico. We don't allow people into Canada? Not illegally. Otherwise yes, we do. Lots of people, refuges and immigrants. People going to the US illegally from Canada? Probably. But not many. Then again, it's up to the US to patrol people coming from Canada. We monitor those going into Canada. Not the mass of people that have come from Mexico and Central America. If people are walking or boarding trains in Mexico to cross the border for a better life, they most likely aren't spending thousands of dollars to fly to Canada, buy passports, rent vehicles to get to the border to cross into the US. You'd need some $ to do that. That is what I said.
ETA - Most of the folks who are busted for illegal entry through Canada aren't Mexican. They are from the Middle East and Europe, etc.
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Post by missmiss on Nov 10, 2016 19:50:26 GMT
Maybe some people here should watch this. It is an oldie but goody. www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/class-divided/Chanting "building a wall" isn't racist. But it does cause divide between people and make people think they are better than the others. Sad day indeed. No elementary school students should be yelling build a wall. Yes we do need to overhaul immigration. Quit going after the person and go after the businesses and people, like Trump, that have hired illegal immigrants. If you really want to stop it. See how that does. Illegal or not they deserve respect and not treated like the crap that is spewed at a Trump rally. Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door
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Post by Country Ham on Nov 10, 2016 20:13:51 GMT
A little history on the WallIf you research this idea of a wall between the US and Mexico you will realize this is NOT a new thing. Trump might agree with the idea but he certainly didn't introduce the idea. At different points Clinton herself seemed to support a barrier. People act like Trump originated this concept but for crying out loud there are all ready barriers/walls in place that have been there for ages.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Nov 10, 2016 22:32:14 GMT
Yowzers - I don't even know why I'm entering this discussion as it's already pretty far off the rails. I do think we need to acknowledge a few things though. The fact that the US isn't concerned about the Canadian border, but is about the southern border has absolutely nothing to do with race. I'm sorry that's just silly. If the Canadian border was seeing more than 1,000 people per DAY illegally crossing - people would be concerned. I'm not a fan of the wall as it does not seem to be a practical, economic solution to the problem. But every nation on earth limits and controls immigration - that's not racist. Where are calls of UK racisms when they refused to allow refugees to enter from the Calais Jungle. Do people think that if the UK wasn't protected by the channel but instead was seeing those thousands of people entering the country uncontrolled they wouldn't be discussing border security? I often wonder why it's ok for other countries to not allow illegal immigration while the US gets so much grief when they talk about stopping it I work with many immigrates that also don't support illegal immigration. They immigrated here the right way, why should others break the law and be allowed to stay. They got in line, they paid the money, some even won the lottery, but they did it legally. Are they all racist because they don't agree with or support illegal immigration?
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Post by used2scrap on Nov 10, 2016 22:42:10 GMT
I don't know, did the prime minister say every immigrant was a rapist? Of course illegal immigration can be discussed without being racist. But Pres Elect Trump made the discussion racist (and anti Muslim) kids are clearly picking up on it. For accuracy - Donald Trump did not say every immigrant was a rapist. His actually comments were inflammatory enough, you don't need to embellish them. I think he said Mexican right? I wasn't quoting Trump, I was asking if the leadership in the UK had made such a statement--I didn't pick a race to single out. Because everyone keeps saying the issue is illegal immigration and not racism. So why did Trump say Mexican? Surely we have illegal immigrants from other countries as well.
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Post by used2scrap on Nov 10, 2016 22:46:12 GMT
Maybe some people here should watch this. It is an oldie but goody. www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/class-divided/Chanting "building a wall" isn't racist. But it does cause divide between people and make people think they are better than the others. Sad day indeed. No elementary school students should be yelling build a wall. Yes we do need to overhaul immigration. Quit going after the person and go after the businesses and people, like Trump, that have hired illegal immigrants. If you really want to stop it. See how that does. Illegal or not they deserve respect and not treated like the crap that is spewed at a Trump rally. Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door Chanting a slogan at someone based on the color of their skin/surname isn't racist? Ok. Then what would be racist? My high school student came home today and quietly told me kids were laughing and telling Hispanic students they will be deported soon. This to me is racist and very much linked to the build a wall mindset. And we are nowhere near the border.
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Post by ahiller on Nov 10, 2016 22:52:31 GMT
Maybe some people here should watch this. It is an oldie but goody. www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/class-divided/Chanting "building a wall" isn't racist. But it does cause divide between people and make people think they are better than the others. Sad day indeed. No elementary school students should be yelling build a wall. Yes we do need to overhaul immigration. Quit going after the person and go after the businesses and people, like Trump, that have hired illegal immigrants. If you really want to stop it. See how that does. Illegal or not they deserve respect and not treated like the crap that is spewed at a Trump rally. Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door Chanting a slogan at someone based on the color of their skin/surname isn't racist? Ok. Then what would be racist? My high school student came home today and quietly told me kids were laughing and telling Hispanic students they will be deported soon. This to me is racist and very much linked to the build a wall mindset. And we are nowhere near the border. That's terrible. I hope the administrators know about it and are doing something to stop it. I am really glad that my kids are still small so I can shield them from a lot of this.
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