carhoch
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Post by carhoch on Nov 19, 2016 3:12:28 GMT
I better die then to eat at Chick-fil-a but I gladly buy Penszeys spice
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PaperAngel
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Post by PaperAngel on Nov 19, 2016 3:44:52 GMT
I burn water, so salt & lemon/lime pepper compose my simple spice repertoire. As an unaffiliated/independent voter who opposes racism (& most other -isms), I find this author hypocritical & prejudiced. Also, I'm surprised some posters on this thread are supporting this company, after they vehemently condemned the owners of Hobby Lobby, Chick-fil-A, etc. for publicly sharing &/or aligning their company with their personal political/social/moral views.
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Post by lucyg on Nov 19, 2016 3:48:44 GMT
Trader Joe's, at least the local ones, has a very limited selection of herbs and spices. You really aren't missing anything besides low prices on maybe a dozen very basic seasonings. ETA they do carry a nice variety of different salts and peppers, though. Penzeys sent me a free Fox Point last time I ordered. If they do that again, I'll send it on to you if you like. At least you'll know they didn't make any money on it. Wow, that's so sweet of you to offer. Thank you. I think of you every time I boil eggs in my Ninja pot. I have to say...after reading his (her?) email I'll give them my business. He basically put into words exactly how I've been feeling since the election. There's a B&M Penzey's shop in Santa Rosa.
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Post by lucyg on Nov 19, 2016 3:54:16 GMT
I burn water, so salt & lime/lime pepper compose my simple spice repertoire. As an unaffiliated/independent voter who opposes racism (& most other -isms), I find this author hypocritical & prejudiced. Also, I'm surprised some posters on this thread are supporting this company, after they vehemently condemned the owners of Hobby Lobby, Chick-fil-A, etc. for publicly sharing &/or aligning their company with their personal political/social/moral views. I don't know about others, but I objected to the Chick-fil-a owners' actual beliefs, not the fact that they expressed them. But since they alerted me to the idea that if I eat there, the money I give them is helping to fund anti-gay activism, I mostly stopped eating there. Mostly. I don't go around seeking out business owners' political beliefs in hopes of catching them out doing something I don't like. But when it gets right in my face, I may walk away. IF I don't like the positions they support.
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1GreenLegume
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Post by 1GreenLegume on Nov 19, 2016 4:04:14 GMT
I'm surprised some posters on this thread are supporting this company, after they vehemently condemned the owners of Hobby Lobby, Chick-fil-A, etc. for publicly sharing &/or aligning their company with their personal political/social/moral views. For me, it's very simple. I will not patronize businesses once I am aware of their discriminatory views and actions. I will patronize businesses that speak out against hate and discrimination. It has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with human decency and valuing the rights of all Americans, not just white, straight Christians. YMMV. Save
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Post by hop2 on Nov 19, 2016 4:05:44 GMT
I don't go around seeking out business owners' political beliefs in hopes of catching them out doing something I don't like. But when it gets right in my face, I may walk away. IF I don't like the positions they support. Yea, that's me. I don't really want to know peoples political stands. Don't care who they voted for. I don't need to know any of that to do business with them. BUT, when they insist on putting it in my face, then the chips fall where they may.
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mimima
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Post by mimima on Nov 19, 2016 4:26:27 GMT
I buy my bulk spices locally but good for the owner
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Post by peano on Nov 19, 2016 5:16:08 GMT
I foresee a large spice order in my future.
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cycworker
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Post by cycworker on Nov 19, 2016 5:16:57 GMT
He wasn't rude. He was honest. It needed to be said.
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Post by cycworker on Nov 19, 2016 5:23:02 GMT
oh yvonne Thanks for the website recommendation. Options are always good. Though I did not like the following paragraph, it doesn't speak to love, or unity or anything else he seems to want to speak to. It's seems to almost wish for further divide. Which is not going to be healthy. Also just how does one decide whom to treat poorly when ballots are private? "Whether any of us like it or not, for the next four years the 80% of this country who did not just vote for an openly racist candidate are going to treat you like you are the kind of person who would vote for an openly racist candidate." That's what got me, too. How is this not hate speech as well? I can't and won't support hate speech like this. Didn't vote for Trump, and won't shop at Penzys. Not that I ever did, but still. Lol Because it is TRUE! If you gave Trump your vote, you supported an open racist. You chose to hate Hillary Clinton more than you care about minorities in your country. In that moment you decided it was worth it to risk their safety because you hate Clinton that much. Trump is now proving that he is just as dangerous & racist as those of us who spoke out against him said he'd be. What are you going to do about it? If you're going to be silent & not join us in stopping him, you're complicit and you deserve what was said in that email.
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Post by hop2 on Nov 19, 2016 5:44:22 GMT
That's what got me, too. How is this not hate speech as well? I can't and won't support hate speech like this. Didn't vote for Trump, and won't shop at Penzys. Not that I ever did, but still. Lol Because it is TRUE! If you gave Trump your vote, you supported an open racist. You chose to hate Hillary Clinton more than you care about minorities in your country. In that moment you decided it was worth it to risk their safety because you hate Clinton that much. Trump is now proving that he is just as dangerous & racist as those of us who spoke out against him he'd be. What are you going to do about it? If you're going to be silent & not join us in stopping him, you're complicit and you deserve what was said in that email. You missed the point. You don't KNOW who I voted for nor who anyone else voted for. So your going to make ASSUMPTIONS about me or others and then based on those ASSUMPTIONS your going to treat me or someone else differently? Poorly? How is that bigotry any better? Bravo meet bigotry with bigotry - yea that works. Talk about divisive. So much for spreading the love.
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Post by putabuttononit on Nov 19, 2016 5:55:14 GMT
I thought this was a joke at first, like an SNL skit.
Never have ordered from them and won't start now.
It's incredibly condescending.
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Post by gale w on Nov 19, 2016 8:26:47 GMT
I thought this was a joke at first, like an SNL skit. Never have ordered from them and won't start now. It's incredibly condescending. right? When I saw it I thought it must be a joke for a minute. I have seen some pretty left-leaning political emails from this company but nothing that offended me. Until now.
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Post by anonrefugee on Nov 19, 2016 11:23:40 GMT
oh yvonne Thanks for the website recommendation. Options are always good. Though I did not like the following paragraph, it doesn't speak to love, or unity or anything else he seems to want to speak to. It's seems to almost wish for further divide. Which is not going to be healthy. Also just how does one decide whom to treat poorly when ballots are private? "Whether any of us like it or not, for the next four years the 80% of this country who did not just vote for an openly racist candidate are going to treat you like you are the kind of person who would vote for an openly racist candidate." That's what got me, too. How is this not hate speech as well? I can't and won't support hate speech like this. Didn't vote for Trump, and won't shop at Penzys. Not that I ever did, but still. Lol And wasn't that part of his apology, I've forgotten overnight? His apology didn't help!
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Post by mollycoddle on Nov 19, 2016 11:31:44 GMT
I burn water, so salt & lime/lime pepper compose my simple spice repertoire. As an unaffiliated/independent voter who opposes racism (& most other -isms), I find this author hypocritical & prejudiced. Also, I'm surprised some posters on this thread are supporting this company, after they vehemently condemned the owners of Hobby Lobby, Chick-fil-A, etc. for publicly sharing &/or aligning their company with their personal political/social/moral views. I don't know about others, but I objected to the Chick-fil-a owners' actual beliefs, not the fact that they expressed them. But since they alerted me to the idea that if I eat there, the money I give them is helping to fund anti-gay activism, I mostly stopped eating there. Mostly. I don't go around seeking out business owners' political beliefs in hopes of catching them out doing something I don't like. But when it gets right in my face, I may walk away. IF I don't like the positions they support. I seldom boycott. But like Lucy, when it's right under my nose, I can't ignore it.
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Post by farmdpea on Nov 19, 2016 11:41:40 GMT
I burn water, so salt & lemon/lime pepper compose my simple spice repertoire. As an unaffiliated/independent voter who opposes racism (& most other -isms), I find this author hypocritical & prejudiced. Also, I'm surprised some posters on this thread are supporting this company, after they vehemently condemned the owners of Hobby Lobby, Chick-fil-A, etc. for publicly sharing &/or aligning their company with their personal political/social/moral views. I thought the same thing when I was reading last night, but I just didn't want to "go there". A person can live for 50/60/70 years, and come to there own conclusions about moral issues based on what they have seen in that time. As long as those are the popular opinion, then they are applauded. A person can live for that amount of time and decide the best moral standards to follow were described thousands of years ago, and that person is admonished. It does seem a double standard to me.
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Post by Merge on Nov 19, 2016 12:09:37 GMT
I burn water, so salt & lemon/lime pepper compose my simple spice repertoire. As an unaffiliated/independent voter who opposes racism (& most other -isms), I find this author hypocritical & prejudiced. Also, I'm surprised some posters on this thread are supporting this company, after they vehemently condemned the owners of Hobby Lobby, Chick-fil-A, etc. for publicly sharing &/or aligning their company with their personal political/social/moral views. I thought the same thing when I was reading last night, but I just didn't want to "go there". A person can live for 50/60/70 years, and come to there own conclusions about moral issues based on what they have seen in that time. As long as those are the popular opinion, then they are applauded. A person can live for that amount of time and decide the best moral standards to follow were described thousands of years ago, and that person is admonished. It does seem a double standard to me. I'm sorry you feel that way. To me, the difference is this: the beliefs of the Chick Fil A owners, Hobby Lobby, Trump/Pence, etc. are to marginalize certain groups of people by denying them the same basic rights the rest of us enjoy, based on their own moral standards. The beliefs of Penzeys are to stand up against that marginalization/discrimination by calling it out for what it is. I get that it may be difficult for some people to read, and I also get that the original email may have been unclear in characterizing all Republicans as having voted for a racist candidate (when some chose not to vote for Trump). But to me, this is not about two different but equally valid points of view. In the case of this particular election, this is about choosing to support a racist, misogynist candidate vs. choosing to speak out against him. That is not a double standard in my opinion. That's a simple matter of right vs. wrong. And if I may gently beat this dead horse one more time: this is what those of us who are angry about the results of this election keep telling all of you. This is not a simple political difference, and it's not a matter of two competing but equally valid ideologies. One of the candidates in this election spent his whole campaign expressing racist, bigoted, misogynistic views, and "you" voted for him. That was "your" right, but "we" are still going to draw certain conclusions from that, especially when "you" are silent on the subject of every frightening cabinet/advisory appointment. "You" keep accusing "us" of not listening to "you," but "you" are most certainly not listening to "us." (All the quotation marks to signify a general use of the terms you and us, and not direction toward any individual here.)
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Post by farmdpea on Nov 19, 2016 12:17:56 GMT
But to me, this is not about two different but equally valid points of view. In the case of this particular election, this is about choosing to support a racist, misogynist candidate vs. choosing to speak out against him. That is not a double standard in my opinion. That's a simple matter of right vs. wrong.[***text removed by farmdpea to hopefully make it easier to follow***] In this case, I'm inclined to agree with you, but I'm speaking in general terms as well.
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Post by shescrafty on Nov 19, 2016 12:23:46 GMT
I burn water, so salt & lemon/lime pepper compose my simple spice repertoire. As an unaffiliated/independent voter who opposes racism (& most other -isms), I find this author hypocritical & prejudiced. Also, I'm surprised some posters on this thread are supporting this company, after they vehemently condemned the owners of Hobby Lobby, Chick-fil-A, etc. for publicly sharing &/or aligning their company with their personal political/social/moral views. I thought the same thing when I was reading last night, but I just didn't want to "go there". A person can live for 50/60/70 years, and come to there own conclusions about moral issues based on what they have seen in that time. As long as those are the popular opinion, then they are applauded. A person can live for that amount of time and decide the best moral standards to follow were described thousands of years ago, and that person is admonished. It does seem a double standard to me. To me it is not the matter of a "popular opinion" when it comes to racism, misogyny, and bigotry. I thought that for most people across the board those things would be clearly wrong. It has been shocking to me that they aren't. When discussing Chickfila support, looking at some of the human rights atrocities conducted by the organizations that Chicagoland was giving money to it was an easy choice for many to disagree and not want "our" money to go there.
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Post by farmdpea on Nov 19, 2016 12:38:31 GMT
I thought the same thing when I was reading last night, but I just didn't want to "go there". A person can live for 50/60/70 years, and come to there own conclusions about moral issues based on what they have seen in that time. As long as those are the popular opinion, then they are applauded. A person can live for that amount of time and decide the best moral standards to follow were described thousands of years ago, and that person is admonished. It does seem a double standard to me. To me it is not the matter of a "popular opinion" when it comes to racism, misogyny, and bigotry. I thought that for most people across the board those things would be clearly wrong. It has been shocking to me that they aren't. When discussing Chickfila support, looking at some of the human rights atrocities conducted by the organizations that Chicagoland was giving money to it was an easy choice for many to disagree and not want "our" money to go there. Like I said above, in this case I totally agree with you. And I hate to derail the original thread, but maybe it really isn't a derail? I just think it's kind of arrogant to think that in my 37 years, I've got the whole world figured out. Of course those things "feel" wrong and unjust. I also believe them to be wrong because my faith tells me so. My faith whose "rules for life" were established many years ago by a Creator who has my best interest at heart. I recognize that not everyone shares my faith (and even those who do may have differences of opinion), but I think we each have the right to our own viewpoint.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2016 12:57:53 GMT
I thought the same thing when I was reading last night, but I just didn't want to "go there". A person can live for 50/60/70 years, and come to there own conclusions about moral issues based on what they have seen in that time. As long as those are the popular opinion, then they are applauded. A person can live for that amount of time and decide the best moral standards to follow were described thousands of years ago, and that person is admonished. It does seem a double standard to me. I'm sorry you feel that way. To me, the difference is this: the beliefs of the Chick Fil A owners, Hobby Lobby, Trump/Pence, etc. are to marginalize certain groups of people by denying them the same basic rights the rest of us enjoy, based on their own moral standards. The beliefs of Penzeys are to stand up against that marginalization/discrimination by calling it out for what it is. I get that it may be difficult for some people to read, and I also get that the original email may have been unclear in characterizing all Republicans as having voted for a racist candidate (when some chose not to vote for Trump). But to me, this is not about two different but equally valid points of view. In the case of this particular election, this is about choosing to support a racist, misogynist candidate vs. choosing to speak out against him. That is not a double standard in my opinion. That's a simple matter of right vs. wrong. And if I may gently beat this dead horse one more time: this is what those of us who are angry about the results of this election keep telling all of you. This is not a simple political difference, and it's not a matter of two competing but equally valid ideologies. One of the candidates in this election spent his whole campaign expressing racist, bigoted, misogynistic views, and " you" voted for him. That was " your" right, but " we" are still going to draw certain conclusions from that, especially when " you" are silent on the subject of every frightening cabinet/advisory appointment. " You" keep accusing " us" of not listening to " you," but " you" are most certainly not listening to " us." (All the quotation marks to signify a general use of the terms you and us, and not direction toward any individual here.)Just because you put the nice little disclaimer at the end of your post now doesn't change the fact a line was drawn in the sand around here over the past 10-11 days. I'm truly baffled that so many are surprised and confused that anyone that voted for Trump won't come on here and "explain themselves." Many have tried, but I'm guessing they got tired of getting publicly shamed and criticized and called names for their decision. Why is that so hard to understand?
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Post by Merge on Nov 19, 2016 13:28:30 GMT
I'm sorry you feel that way. To me, the difference is this: the beliefs of the Chick Fil A owners, Hobby Lobby, Trump/Pence, etc. are to marginalize certain groups of people by denying them the same basic rights the rest of us enjoy, based on their own moral standards. The beliefs of Penzeys are to stand up against that marginalization/discrimination by calling it out for what it is. I get that it may be difficult for some people to read, and I also get that the original email may have been unclear in characterizing all Republicans as having voted for a racist candidate (when some chose not to vote for Trump). But to me, this is not about two different but equally valid points of view. In the case of this particular election, this is about choosing to support a racist, misogynist candidate vs. choosing to speak out against him. That is not a double standard in my opinion. That's a simple matter of right vs. wrong. And if I may gently beat this dead horse one more time: this is what those of us who are angry about the results of this election keep telling all of you. This is not a simple political difference, and it's not a matter of two competing but equally valid ideologies. One of the candidates in this election spent his whole campaign expressing racist, bigoted, misogynistic views, and " you" voted for him. That was " your" right, but " we" are still going to draw certain conclusions from that, especially when " you" are silent on the subject of every frightening cabinet/advisory appointment. " You" keep accusing " us" of not listening to " you," but " you" are most certainly not listening to " us." (All the quotation marks to signify a general use of the terms you and us, and not direction toward any individual here.)Just because you put the nice little disclaimer at the end of your post now doesn't change the fact a line was drawn in the sand around here over the past 10-11 days. I'm truly baffled that so many are surprised and confused that anyone that voted for Trump won't come on here and "explain themselves." Many have tried, but I'm guessing they got tired of getting publicly shamed and criticized and called names for their decision. Why is that so hard to understand? I don't have a problem drawing a line in the sand where racism and bigotry are concerned. The point of the Penzey's email, and the point we've been trying to make to you, is that we DO draw that line, and while you may be offended, we're not going to stop drawing it for the sake of unity. Wrong is wrong. I guess you all thought liberals didn't have morals? I don't know. I'm not surprised or confused that Trump voters don't want to "explain themselves." What is surprising and confusing to me, is their refusal to decry the appointments of two men (so far) with well-known racist beliefs and ties to high-level positions, coupled with a simultaneous call for us to unify behind these despicable people.
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Post by trollie on Nov 19, 2016 13:31:33 GMT
I haven't bought from Penzey's in a while, but I think I'll be stopping in to make a hefty purchase this weekend. I buy my spices at Walmart! Sounds like I need to be buying from Penzey's. Off to check them out.
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Post by shescrafty on Nov 19, 2016 13:35:34 GMT
I think his supporters don't speak out against it because if racism wasn't a deal breaker for them 12 days ago it sure isnt now.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Nov 19, 2016 13:38:38 GMT
I unsubscribed as well. I would have unsubscribed if Hillary had won. I just didn't like how he spoke to the voters. I realize he is a privately held company and can say whatever the heck he wants. However, I just want some spices and not his political opinion. Stacy I actually wish more companies would be clear where they stand on moral issues like racism. And not lip service because not many companies would stand up and say they support the racist appointments like those Trump is making. I would love to put my money towards people and companies who will stand up for what is moral. I wish more would take a stand against Trump and his racist nominations. This. I love to vote with my pocketbook!
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Nov 19, 2016 13:42:53 GMT
80%? Where is that number from? I think it is a stretch. I have heard that 25% of eligible voters, voted for DT. If you add in those who didn't vote with those who voted for the other three candidates.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Nov 19, 2016 13:47:10 GMT
I burn water, so salt & lemon/lime pepper compose my simple spice repertoire. As an unaffiliated/independent voter who opposes racism (& most other -isms), I find this author hypocritical & prejudiced. Also, I'm surprised some posters on this thread are supporting this company, after they vehemently condemned the owners of Hobby Lobby, Chick-fil-A, etc. for publicly sharing &/or aligning their company with their personal political/social/moral views. I am curious as to how you think he is hypocritical. Personally I am glad that the owner of Hobby Lobby, Chick-fil-a let us know exactly what they believe in. But the bruhahaha with Hobby Lobby was that they were trying to foist there religious beliefs on their employees, through their health care plan.
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Post by hop2 on Nov 19, 2016 13:51:48 GMT
Just because you put the nice little disclaimer at the end of your post now doesn't change the fact a line was drawn in the sand around here over the past 10-11 days. I'm truly baffled that so many are surprised and confused that anyone that voted for Trump won't come on here and "explain themselves." Many have tried, but I'm guessing they got tired of getting publicly shamed and criticized and called names for their decision. Why is that so hard to understand? I don't have a problem drawing a line in the sand where racism and bigotry are concerned. The point of the Penzey's email, and the point we've been trying to make to you, is that we DO draw that line, and while you may be offended, we're not going to stop drawing it for the sake of unity. Wrong is wrong. I guess you all thought liberals didn't have morals? I don't know. I'm not surprised or confused that Trump voters don't want to "explain themselves." What is surprising and confusing to me, is their refusal to decry the appointments of two men (so far) with well-known racist beliefs and ties to high-level positions, coupled with a simultaneous call for us to unify behind these despicable people. Well your broad brush isn't any better than his. Making assumptions about people and then acting differently towards people is hurtful. I do not like being treated a certain way because people are making assumptions about me and decided it was ok to call names and be nasty and seperate 'them' & 'me'. So you all rock on with your ASSumptions about people and create your little exclusive clique and treat people poorly and when the world goes to hell in a toilet you can just blame Trump. Yea that'll work. In reality in the last 10 days I've been bashed ( irl ) by people who proclaim to be against bigotry because of something I'm assumed to have done. Not even sure where the assumption came from. But it's getting old and it's hurtful and I'm tired of divisive 'us' vs 'them' shit from anyone. It's equally as wrong. But apparently according to you and the guy from Penzys it ok to treat me like shit because somewhere along the line someone must have decided chubby middle aged white women from north NJ must have voted for trump. Without even getting to know me and without me even speaking. Go to hell- it's not ok. It's just not. Wrap it up how you want to in order to justify it to your self, make yourself feel better and 'superior' to those you deem 'unfit' but it's still bigotry and discrimination. I'm tired of being abused because I 'deserve it'. Apparently our country is filled with a bunch of bitter bigots who feel righteous attacking others based on assumptions It's sad really.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2016 13:55:37 GMT
Just because you put the nice little disclaimer at the end of your post now doesn't change the fact a line was drawn in the sand around here over the past 10-11 days. I'm truly baffled that so many are surprised and confused that anyone that voted for Trump won't come on here and "explain themselves." Many have tried, but I'm guessing they got tired of getting publicly shamed and criticized and called names for their decision. Why is that so hard to understand? I don't have a problem drawing a line in the sand where racism and bigotry are concerned. The point of the Penzey's email, and the point we've been trying to make to you, is that we DO draw that line, and while you may be offended, we're not going to stop drawing it for the sake of unity. Wrong is wrong. I guess you all thought liberals didn't have morals? I don't know. I'm not surprised or confused that Trump voters don't want to "explain themselves." What is surprising and confusing to me, is their refusal to decry the appointments of two men (so far) with well-known racist beliefs and ties to high-level positions, coupled with a simultaneous call for us to unify behind these despicable people.So the Trump voters can then be told, "we told you so, look what you did, this is all your fault, what kind of people are you, you're c****, etc.?" You are pissed (which I can respect) and you are obviously entitled to your opinion, and have the right to be vocal here, there, anywhere and everywhere. However, the tone immediately went to hatred around this place. And believe me when I say I'm not offended, far from it (I'm disgusted), so I'm not asking anyone to stop (because it's obvious it won't stop although I remain hopeful). Just don't be surprised people choose to not engage anymore. ***eta***I bolded my edit.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Nov 19, 2016 14:00:21 GMT
I think his supporters don't speak out against it because if racism wasn't a deal breaker for them 12 days ago it sure isnt now. I fall more and more in love with you every day! You say what I want to so much more distinctly. I appreciate your frankness and honesty!
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