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Post by Merge on Dec 11, 2016 4:02:50 GMT
I think one or two people here would shit themselves if they saw my sweet, devout Muslim co-worker who has her classroom decorated for Christmas because it's fun for the kids, and who who wore a red and green hijab and a set of reindeer antlers yesterday on our school's wacky holiday outfit day. She participated in the staff Secret Santa, too.
War on Christmas, my ass. All we have here is a war on common sense and considering people besides yourself.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 11, 2016 4:03:35 GMT
Care for another opinion about this from a Hindu? I put a tree up because I like it. I buy gifts because I want to and because I like to. We decorate our house because we love it. My mother who prays daily to Hindu gods puts a tree up too and wishes people merry Christmas. I don't give a flying F what you wish me. If you wish me Merry Christmas, I will respond back with Merry Christmas to you too. If you wish me happy holidays, I will do the same. I have an issue with the title of that article though. "Take a stand"? for real? In my head, you take a stand when you see injustice. You take a stand when you see someone is getting beat up. You take a stand when you see racism in front of your eyes and so on. You don't need to take a stand for how people wish others in the month of December FFS. You, are awesome!!! ❤️❤️❤️❤️
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Dec 11, 2016 4:09:54 GMT
Oy fucking vey! The whole idea behind saying "Happy Holidays" is that many in the US celebrate the period that comprises Christmas and New Year's--two holidays. It's not a new thing. I've heard it since I was a kid. Christian conservatives are just getting their panties in a bunch for nothing. Jeez, people, go forth and do something constructive with your time and energy instead of wasting it on inane bullshit. You might want to ask yourselves--WWJD? Ditto. I am almost 55, and I can still remember the most beautiful card my mom sent from our family one year that said "Season's Greetings" front and center. I don't think I was in school yet, and I watched her sitting at the kitchen table addressing the cards. I remember trying to "read" the card and saying "Merry Christmas," but Mom corrected me and told me it said "Season's Greetings." So yes, my very Christian mother was sending out the horrific season's greetings back in 1967 or so LOL.
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Post by Restless Spirit on Dec 11, 2016 4:27:24 GMT
Forgive the small tangent, but FYI: Saying "Happy Holiday(s)" is nothing new. It goes actually goes back to a song from 1942. ""Happy Holiday" was introduced by Bing Crosby in the 1942 film Holiday Inn, with The Music Maid and Hal and John Scott Trotter and His Orchestra, where it is performed in a medley with the title song. While it is commonly regarded as a Christmas song, in the film it is performed on New Year's Eve, and expresses a wish for the listener to enjoy "happy holidays" throughout the entire year. The song helped to popularize the phrase "Happy holidays" as a common greeting during the Christmas and holiday season in the United States. You might as well say the war on saying " Merry Christmas" started with a Christmas song. So blame Bing Crosby. In 1942. That rebel crooner.
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Post by elaine on Dec 11, 2016 6:27:00 GMT
WWJD? Probably wish people a Happy Hanakuh since was Jewish. While I would love to agree with this, I think the Hanukkah miracle occurred after Jesus's time, not before. However, my religious education was pretty fuzzy, so maybe someone can correct me or confirm. Lol! I think us Muslims have everyone beat for having the craziest crazies! Okay, but we've got some batshit Jews, too, and there are weirdos in every corner of the planet, of every faith. Plus, I keep thinking of those medieval Christians marching off to the Holy Land to take it back for Christianity (oh, and its riches), accompanied by as much blood and gore as they could manage; Reformation-era Christians torturing Jews to force them to convert, or burning each other at the stake for following the wrong brand of Christianity; followed in the next century by burnings and drownings of alleged witches. Honestly, no one has bragging rights at this point. I vote for everyone doing their best to be good people, and stop worrying so much about what other people are doing to break your rules. (Or saying.) ( Rainbow , I'm talking to you!) The Chunkah miracle took place in 139 BCE and was first celebrated, menorah and all, in 138 BCE. So, Jesus would have been saying Happy Chanukah to all at this time of year. Although, really, since it wasn't a shopping holiday back then, the greeting only would have been shared on the 8 days of Chanukah and not before.
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Post by lucyg on Dec 11, 2016 8:46:47 GMT
While I would love to agree with this, I think the Hanukkah miracle occurred after Jesus's time, not before. However, my religious education was pretty fuzzy, so maybe someone can correct me or confirm. The Chunkah miracle took place in 139 BCE and was first celebrated, menorah and all, in 138 BCE. So, Jesus would have been saying Happy Chanukah to all at this time of year. Although, really, since it wasn't a shopping holiday back then, the greeting only would have been shared on the 8 days of Chanukah and not before. Thank G-d (I used the hyphen for you, Elaine) someone around here knows more Jewish history than I do. And sorry, ComplicatedLady, I steered you wrong!
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Post by miominmio on Dec 11, 2016 9:10:56 GMT
Nope. And here's why. Not to mention several of the minor ones as well (including mine).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2016 9:20:23 GMT
I think one or two people here would shit themselves if they saw my sweet, devout Muslim co-worker who has her classroom decorated for Christmas because it's fun for the kids, and who who wore a red and green hijab and a set of reindeer antlers yesterday on our school's wacky holiday outfit day. She participated in the staff Secret Santa, too. War on Christmas, my ass. All we have here is a war on common sense and considering people besides yourself. Lol - last year my hijab wearing Muslim co- room mom was very upset that the 4th grade teacher was only planning a pajama, pancakes, and hot cocoa party instead of an all out Christmas extravaganza. I had to explain that school policy only allows 1 hour parties!!
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Post by miominmio on Dec 11, 2016 9:29:12 GMT
I see now that we saved ourselves a lot of trouble here in Scandinavia by keeping the old pagan name for this shinding. God jul (Happy yule) to all the Peas! And this pagan secretly giggles every year when I see how christians celebrate our holiday with old pagan symbols
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Post by miominmio on Dec 11, 2016 9:36:54 GMT
WWJD? Probably wish people a Happy Hanakuh since was Jewish. While I would love to agree with this, I think the Hanukkah miracle occurred after Jesus's time, not before. However, my religious education was pretty fuzzy, so maybe someone can correct me or confirm. Lol! I think us Muslims have everyone beat for having the craziest crazies! Okay, but we've got some batshit Jews, too, and there are weirdos in every corner of the planet, of every faith. Plus, I keep thinking of those medieval Christians marching off to the Holy Land to take it back for Christianity (oh, and its riches), accompanied by as much blood and gore as they could manage; Reformation-era Christians torturing Jews to force them to convert, or burning each other at the stake for following the wrong brand of Christianity; followed in the next century by burnings and drownings of alleged witches. Honestly, no one has bragging rights at this point. I vote for everyone doing their best to be good people, and stop worrying so much about what other people are doing to break your rules. (Or saying.) ( Rainbow , I'm talking to you!) You forgot to mention how they forced their religion on the pagan peoples in Europe to begin with. Massacres, mutilations.....so very, very Christ-like.
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Post by gar on Dec 11, 2016 10:04:12 GMT
I see now that we saved ourselves a lot of trouble here in Scandinavia by keeping the old pagan name for this shinding. God jul (Happy yule) to all the Peas! And this pagan secretly giggles every year when I see how christians celebrate our holiday with old pagan symbols
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Post by mollycoddle on Dec 11, 2016 10:49:32 GMT
I don't consider deciding to say Merry Christmas to be taking a stand. Taking a stand should be reserved for important issues. I would consider it more of a "making a decision" type of thing.
Why is this such a big deal? Say what you want and have the courtesy to let others do the same.
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Post by craftykitten on Dec 11, 2016 13:15:22 GMT
I'm about as Christian as they come. I don't care how you wish me well....I'll take all the well wishes I can get. My ds works for Target. This week he had a furious customer come through his line who was angry because they were not playing Christmas music. He tried to tell her that Target never plays music and that it was nothing against Christmas. She went on to say that she was offended because she was a Christian and she would never shop there again. She insisted my son call the manager so she could tell him the same thing. Yeah, that's ridiculous! That said, I wish that many of you would recognize and word your posts as "some Christians". We all have crazies....even athiests, pagans, Jewish, etc....don't lump us into one pile please. I changed it, sorry
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Post by elaine on Dec 11, 2016 13:50:48 GMT
The Chunkah miracle took place in 139 BCE and was first celebrated, menorah and all, in 138 BCE. So, Jesus would have been saying Happy Chanukah to all at this time of year. Although, really, since it wasn't a shopping holiday back then, the greeting only would have been shared on the 8 days of Chanukah and not before. Thank G-d (I used the hyphen for you, Elaine) someone around here knows more Jewish history than I do. And sorry, ComplicatedLady , I steered you wrong! No worries! I love that you are another Jewish voice around here. Back to the "war on Christmas" - it is a concept fabricated by Fox News. link to original story on Harvard Business Review
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Post by monklady123 on Dec 11, 2016 13:55:41 GMT
I think one or two people here would shit themselves if they saw my sweet, devout Muslim co-worker who has her classroom decorated for Christmas because it's fun for the kids, and who who wore a red and green hijab and a set of reindeer antlers yesterday on our school's wacky holiday outfit day. She participated in the staff Secret Santa, too. War on Christmas, my ass. All we have here is a war on common sense and considering people besides yourself. Lol - last year my hijab wearing Muslim co- room mom was very upset that the 4th grade teacher was only planning a pajama, pancakes, and hot cocoa party instead of an all out Christmas extravaganza. I had to explain that school policy only allows 1 hour parties!! At the elementary school where I do substitute teaching there's a Muslim teacher who wears a hijab, and she always color-coordinates with whatever. For Hanukah she'll wear blue and white, for Christmas red and green, for spirit Fridays blue and gold (the school colors), for football days black and gold (go Steelers!), etc. One incentive that the kids in her class work for is that she'll wear a hijab in their favorite color. lol. I'd love to see her closet or drawer where she keeps them all, it must look like a rainbow.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2016 14:48:29 GMT
I could not love the way this thread turned out more.
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Post by used2scrap on Dec 11, 2016 14:57:45 GMT
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Post by Tamhugh on Dec 11, 2016 15:03:45 GMT
There was never a prohibition against saying "Merry Christmas". What there WAS ... an open spirit .. generosity ... an inclusion ... some "Christian charity" in saying "Happy Holidays!" I don't think harm was intended ... nobody was dissing "Christmas" or merriment. It was just a way of spreading holiday good will to those persons whose belief systems were unknown or, possibly, different. I'm not buying it for a minute. Getting rid of the word Christmas was deliberate and not for inclusion purposes. A lot of people are upset by this and you don't give a damn about their feeling do you? They aren't feeling included when you do that - do you even care? When you see Christmas stripped from everything it doesn't foster inclusive feelings. It feels like what it is, the stamping out of the word Christmas. It's now the elephant in the room. Nobody speaks of it but it is looming large and you can't miss it. This removal has been a concerted effort and some people are now taking a stand. And I'm glad they are. Where do you live that this is your experience? I live in the liberal northeast and there is nothing like that happening here. Some people say Happy Holidays, some say Merry Christmas. I use both interchangeably, depending on the mood of the day. Our school concerts at this time of year combine fun secular music with religious classics. The stores sell Christmas trees. And I am always confused as to why people believe the White House tree is now a holiday tree. President Obama's remarks at this year's lighting would seem to disagree. www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2016/12/03/remarks-president-lighting-national-christmas-tree
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Post by Tamhugh on Dec 11, 2016 15:14:03 GMT
That said, I wish that many of you would recognize and word your posts as "some Christians". We all have crazies....even athiests, pagans, Jewish, etc....don't lump us into one pile please. Lol! I think us Muslims have everyone beat for having the craziest crazies! I think batshit crazies are the one thing that truly unites all religions (and non-religions). We all have them.
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Post by mymindseyedpea on Dec 11, 2016 15:43:44 GMT
I just say: "Thanks, you too."
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Post by freecharlie on Dec 11, 2016 16:11:12 GMT
Lol! I think us Muslims have everyone beat for having the craziest crazies! I think batshit crazies are the one thing that truly unites all religions (and non-religions). We all have them. and with that we need a new thread filled with Norman, Catholic, and other kitsch
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Post by michellegb on Dec 11, 2016 16:28:09 GMT
Truly, there are so many other horrible things taking place that deserve our outrage that it just boggles my mind that this is an issue for anyone. I celebrate Christmas, but usually say Happy Holidays because I believe it's just nice to acknowledge all the holidays that someone might be celebrating and not just one. But it would never occur to me that someone would think I was against Christianity because of that. It's just nonsense.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Dec 11, 2016 16:34:13 GMT
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Post by JBeans on Dec 11, 2016 18:28:31 GMT
Ahhh, the faux war on Christmas has made it's appearance. Hey, no French on this thread or are you starting a war on English? SaveSaveYou Americans started it by bastardizing "voila" with "wallah". Hahahahaha!
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Post by lucyg on Dec 11, 2016 18:37:40 GMT
Hey, no French on this thread or are you starting a war on English? SaveSaveYou Americans started it by bastardizing "voila" with "wallah". Hahahahaha! I prefer wallah to viola. At least they aren't bringing a musical instrument into it.
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Post by leftturnonly on Dec 11, 2016 18:40:46 GMT
Read the comments following the article. Some are, well, "interesting". No, Mommy. I don't want to. Please don't make me read the article. Please, Please, Please. Mommmmmyyyyy...... I don't want to go there!
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Post by leftturnonly on Dec 11, 2016 18:47:23 GMT
We fish a LOT, and I don't recall anyone shooting the fish. Maybe we are doing it wrong? Clearly. Then again, you buy your tuna in a can, so what do you know?
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Post by anxiousmom on Dec 11, 2016 19:07:22 GMT
We fish a LOT, and I don't recall anyone shooting the fish. Maybe we are doing it wrong? Clearly. Then again, you buy your tuna in a can, so what do you know? True enough. Apparently I also buy leisure peas. Mostly because we are flats fisher people and tuna hangs out much further away...I have *wanted* to shoot a fish or two over the years...like the time the shark followed in my redfish and stole it right off my line. Him, I wanted to shoot.
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Post by lizacreates on Dec 11, 2016 19:15:55 GMT
Happy Holidays or Merry Christmas? I asked a bunch of friends (a motley group of Christians, atheists, Jews, The Perplexed, etc.) their opinions and the overwhelming response was they didn’t care as long as they got the day off. When I asked them if there was a war on Christmas, they told me I needed to lay off the eggnog.
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Post by leftturnonly on Dec 11, 2016 19:47:01 GMT
True enough. Apparently I also buy leisure peas. Fishing is a relaxing activity. Seems only fitting that you'd want the more leisurely peas.
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