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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2017 0:18:22 GMT
Well then call out the individuals that have said such things towards liberals. I have read over and over the blanket comments made towards anyone that voted for Trump; if a person made a racist comment, and voted for Trump, call that person a racist, not everyone that voted for him, etc. That's not how it works here though. I get what you're saying and you're right it's not the way it happens here! I get annoyed at being lumped in to something some liberal supposedly said way back then...when it wasn't said or just being assumed! It's absolutely wrong no matter who is doing it, no matter who you (general you) voted for, etc. |
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Post by Gennifer on Jan 12, 2017 0:18:58 GMT
I would think a lot higher of some people in my life if they seemed concerned. They are atypically quiet on FB the past few days, so I guess that tells me something, but I feel like they are very much ostrich-ing.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Jan 12, 2017 0:19:41 GMT
I actually prefer that the Republicans, Trump voters and/or supporters do not continue to answer the call outs to them about what they think, why they voted for him, what are they going to do when . . .
What exactly is it that people are looking for from them? There is nothing they can say that will change anyone's minds, nothing that they can say that will make others accept their reason for voting for him, nothing they can say that will change the election or make people stop calling them out.
They can't control nor change his tweets, they can't tell him to stop arguing with the press or celebrities. So why keep asking them what they think about it. Since they can't control it, why does it matter what they think.
As someone that is not affiliated with either party, what is it that people are looking for from the Trump voters/supporters?
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Post by gmcwife1 on Jan 12, 2017 0:22:08 GMT
I would think a lot higher of some people in my life if they seemed concerned. They are atypically quiet on FB the past few days, so I guess that tells me something, but I feel like they are very much ostrich-ing. I have many FB friends that post from both sides, I'm very quiet and don't share many of my own personal feelings. I also like or delete equally to both sides. What is it that you want to hear and what would that do for you? |
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Post by Gennifer on Jan 12, 2017 0:24:13 GMT
As someone that is not affiliated with either party, what is it that people are looking for from the Trump voters/supporters? As someone that is also not affiliated with any party, I'd love to see some acknowledgement that the concerns so many people had were valid. Maybe an admission that he's not some white knight. I also wouldn't mind a little regret, along with an apology.  |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 12, 2017 0:25:51 GMT
At this point I don't think it matters why someone voted for trump as the deed is done. If, as I suspect will happen, trump and company make changes that will hurt a lot of folks is when I will be interested in what the trump supporters have to say. Of course I could be wrong and once trump takes office that old Democrat trump will emerge. But I'm not holding my breath. They'll deflect and blame the other party, just like what happens whenever someone brings up anything negative about the current administration. There is a continued inability to admit that some people WERE hurt by the policies implemented - the ACA is one that brought a lot of people to the polls - but you'll never see anyone admit that Democrats including President Obama who passed and signed that bill are to blame. While I'll respect your opinion, I don't think/believe that the statement is entirely correct--there were many liberals, including HRC who stated that the ACA needed work to be fixed/updated/tweaked. I believe HRC even stated it in at least one of the debates. I know I've stated that the ACA hasn't always been the perfect solution for everyone. There were also many who won't acknowledge that the ACA helped millions gain healthcare for the first time in their lives (a good thing), or that the pre-existing condition being covered has been a god-send to many. I also believe that the insurance companies have not been held responsible for increases in insurance--I do believe many of them took advantage of the ACA and rolled out hikes under the guise of it being the ACA. |
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Post by Zee on Jan 12, 2017 0:26:57 GMT
I actually prefer that the Republicans, Trump voters and/or supporters do not continue to answer the call outs to them about what they think, why they voted for him, what are they going to do when . . . What exactly is it that people are looking for from them? There is nothing they can say that will change anyone's minds, nothing that they can say that will make others accept their reason for voting for him, nothing they can say that will change the election or make people stop calling them out. They can't control nor change his tweets, they can't tell him to stop arguing with the press or celebrities. So why keep asking them what they think about it. Since they can't control it, why does it matter what they think. As someone that is not affiliated with either party, what is it that people are looking for from the Trump voters/supporters? I want to know how you can support someone so completely unprofessional. The President of the United States, spending hours a day on Twitter. If you're going to call yourself a supporter, I want to know how you can support that behavior. Of course the tweets are just one part of the whole thing, but it's a simple thing to ask. Hell, the president of the PTA wouldn't get away with those tweets...let alone any other POTUS. I have yet to read any well-reasoned defense of his actions. Oh yeah, I guess I just have to ignore his words and look into his heart. It's a disgrace. |
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jan 12, 2017 0:28:47 GMT
IMO, they want exactly what Gennifer said. Although she's using a wink-eyed emoji, I think she's serious about what Hillary supporters want from Trump supporters. They want us to regret electing him, to apologize to what they consider the "better" Americans who voted for Hillary and to agree with them that Trump is the devil incarnate. And in exchange for us doing this, they'll deign to think better of us.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Jan 12, 2017 0:31:53 GMT
As someone that is not affiliated with either party, what is it that people are looking for from the Trump voters/supporters? As someone that is also not affiliated with any party, I'd love to see some acknowledgement that the concerns so many people had were valid. Maybe an admission that he's not some white knight. I also wouldn't mind a little regret, along with an apology. Thank you  I think I've seen River (and a couple of others) say the things you are looking for a few times I don't get the feeling that she has any disillusions about Trump, his personality or what he is going to do. I get the feeling that like many people, she cast her vote hoping for the best. |
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Post by MichyM on Jan 12, 2017 0:34:45 GMT
I actually prefer that the Republicans, Trump voters and/or supporters do not continue to answer the call outs to them about what they think, why they voted for him, what are they going to do when . . . What exactly is it that people are looking for from them? There is nothing they can say that will change anyone's minds, nothing that they can say that will make others accept their reason for voting for him, nothing they can say that will change the election or make people stop calling them out. Simply put, understanding. At least that's it from where I sit. Nothing nefarious, I promise. I don't expect my question to change anyone's mind or stop people from calling him out. Just wanted to know thoughts from a different point of view. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 12, 2017 0:38:56 GMT
I actually prefer that the Republicans, Trump voters and/or supporters do not continue to answer the call outs to them about what they think, why they voted for him, what are they going to do when . . . What exactly is it that people are looking for from them? There is nothing they can say that will change anyone's minds, nothing that they can say that will make others accept their reason for voting for him, nothing they can say that will change the election or make people stop calling them out. They can't control nor change his tweets, they can't tell him to stop arguing with the press or celebrities. So why keep asking them what they think about it. Since they can't control it, why does it matter what they think. As someone that is not affiliated with either party, what is it that people are looking for from the Trump voters/supporters? For the first time ever, we have a PE that has back tracked on everything he campaigned on, repeatedly lied about it, and then blames others for doing it when it's been documented that he did. I don't know if people really want to know WHY someone voted for him, I want to know HOW those who did are handling the blatant lying and backtracking, his unpresidential behaviors (Twitter and disparaging so many (CIA, FBI), etc.) I don't really think that those who didn't vote for him are trying to change anyone's minds, the deed is done. If those who did vote for him don't want to be discussing it, then honestly, why even participate in the threads? There have been quite a few that discussion is going along fine--where many discussing whatever the current topic is are actually talking (it's not all bashing Trump) and then a conservative comes into the thread and derails it. The discussion hasn't been bashing peas, it's discussing (and some bashing) of Trump. There have been a few that started right out of the gate bashing liberals. It's frustrating and it makes some cranky and irritating, including myself. |
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Post by Zee on Jan 12, 2017 0:39:30 GMT
IMO, they want exactly what Gennifer said. Although she's using a wink-eyed emoji, I think she's serious about what Hillary supporters want from Trump supporters. They want us to regret electing him, to apologize to what they consider the "better" Americans who voted for Hillary and to agree with them that Trump is the devil incarnate. And in exchange for us doing this, they'll deign to think better of us. Bigly wrong I want to know how you can continue to support his behavior. No one seems to be able to admit that his behavior, if coming from Hillary or Obama, would have caused massive outrage among conservatives all across the country. As it should have! Again, I'll point out that two peas conservatives lost their shit when Obama wore flip flops (and when Michelle bared her arms, I remember the threads well). This is so far beyond Republican vs Democrat. |
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jan 12, 2017 0:46:31 GMT
First, I don't support every single thing the man does. Personally, I wish he'd stop tweeting. But it doesn't make me regret electing him. Nor do I feel the need to condemn every thing Democrats think should be condemned.
Second, this is not so far beyond Republican vs. Democrat. IMO, there were many things Obama (and Clinton did) that Republicans found very troubling, far more so than tweets, yet the Democrats excused or supported all of it.
In the end, I completely disagree with you; this is all partisan politics.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 12, 2017 0:48:44 GMT
IMO, they want exactly what Gennifer said. Although she's using a wink-eyed emoji, I think she's serious about what Hillary supporters want from Trump supporters. They want us to regret electing him, to apologize to what they consider the "better" Americans who voted for Hillary and to agree with them that Trump is the devil incarnate. And in exchange for us doing this, they'll deign to think better of us. This is not true. I don't think this way at all. I don't think that liberals are better than conservatives that broad brush that's being used. Do I think Trumpster is the devil incarnate--yes, lots of the time but I've said it before, if he does something decent and good, I'll acknowledge it. I'm still waiting. I think that this attitude is what makes many liberals upset--the sanctimonious attitude that we are lesser and stupid and being talked down to. And it has flowed from the Old Peas board--I remember being called so many awful things by conservatives over Bush and Obama elections that I stopped posting for awhile. It was awful and it still continues today--but the same few people. |
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Post by Zee on Jan 12, 2017 0:51:34 GMT
First, I don't support every single thing the man does. Personally, I wish he'd stop tweeting. But it doesn't make me regret electing him. Nor do I feel the need to condemn every thing Democrats think should be condemned. Second, this is not so far beyond Republican vs. Democrat. IMO, there were many things Obama (and Clinton did) that Republicans found very troubling, far more so than tweets, yet the Democrats excused or supported all of it. In the end, I completely disagree with you; this is all partisan politics. Well, thank you for your views. We will have to agree to disagree. For me specifically, it is definitely not partisan. |
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Post by scrapngranny on Jan 12, 2017 0:55:31 GMT
In my mind there are three different people who voted for Trump.
1. A vote Trump was a vote against Hillary. Hated Clinton and would have voted for anyone running against her.
2. Voted the party line. Would have voted republican no matter who was on the ticket.
3. A Trump supporter. Someone who agreed with him and would have voted for him even if he would have run as an independent.
Trump voters are not a one size fits all group. It will be interesting to see which group is more likely to turn their backs on Trump if things go bad.
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Post by melanell on Jan 12, 2017 0:56:17 GMT
Christian does NOT equal Conservative. I am a Liberal Christian. We exist and we are not all that rare. Please stop perpetuating the myth that Liberals are not Christian, and that all Conservatives are Christian. I didn't mean it that way, but I don't think any further explanation would change your mind. I definitely did not read your post to mean that, personally. I think you started off saying it was more conservative, and then happened to mention 2 groups within the conservatives who seemed to have a larger presence, and then ended by saying that the board now seems more liberal. To me that doesn't mean Christians can't be liberal. In fact, one could even take it to mean that some of those same Christians simply became more liberal over the years. Save |
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Post by gmcwife1 on Jan 12, 2017 1:00:37 GMT
I actually prefer that the Republicans, Trump voters and/or supporters do not continue to answer the call outs to them about what they think, why they voted for him, what are they going to do when . . . What exactly is it that people are looking for from them? There is nothing they can say that will change anyone's minds, nothing that they can say that will make others accept their reason for voting for him, nothing they can say that will change the election or make people stop calling them out. Simply put, understanding. At least that's it from where I sit. Nothing nefarious, I promise. I don't expect my question to change anyone's mind or stop people from calling him out. Just wanted to know thoughts from a different point of view. I think they've given up trying to give their point of view just because it usually does dissolve into a pile of poo. I didn't vote for him, but I don't expect those that did, answer to me on what they think about what he's doing. I seriously doubt anyone is pleased with his tweets. But what are they supposed to do about it? I think that is what I don't understand. Every move he makes, every tweet he sends, every time he does another stupid Donald thing people call out those that voted for him asking what they think. What they think isn't going to change the fact that he is currently our president, whether we like it or not. I guess I just see it as some people trying to make others feel like crap for voting for him. But that still doesn't change anything. I only watched part of his press conference this morning because I had a phone meeting during it. It seemed like he did what many other politicians do and he has done most of the time he's been in the public eye. He avoided answering the questions. He avoided committing to anything. He stood up there like many of them do and just talked in circles. He's a horrible speaker and I've wondered how he got where he's gotten with such a limited vocabulary. I do know that the former president of our company was a horrible speaker so maybe it isn't something some corporations expect (we have 3000+ employees so not a mom and pop company). I just told a co-worker that the way our boss talks, she would make a great politician. Many of them seem to not give direct answers and just deflect and she's great at that  |
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Post by Gennifer on Jan 12, 2017 1:02:10 GMT
In the end, I completely disagree with you; this is all partisan politics. For you, perhaps. You seem like a very black/white person. I think that there are a lot more people out there like me, though: an independent who has voted both republican and democrat in the past. I didn't vote for Hillary because she's a democrat. I didn't vote against Trump because he's a republican. I voted for her because I thought she was qualified, but, frankly, I would have voted for almost anyone before I voted for him. He's not a normal candidate. Hell, he's not even a normal person. |
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jan 12, 2017 1:07:23 GMT
Gennifer, I understand your position. However, I know many independents (and I'm sure there are many I don't know as I believe the Independents gave the election to Trump) who felt they simply couldn't vote for Hillary.
In today's America I believe it's very-much a political (my way is the only right way) issue.
However, unlike you, I don't base my thoughts or feelings about people on who they pulled the lever for in the voting both. I may think it's a poor decision, but I'd never state that to them nor would I make them feel that they have to apologize for their vote before I'll think highly of them. I don't mean to make it sound like I'm attacking you, however the idea expressed in your post has been stated before both here, on Facebook and in real life and I think it's an absurd position to take. I'm angry that my dd is afraid to let her friends know that she voted for Trump because they are so rabid about the idea that they could "never" be friends with a Trump supporter.
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Post by mollycoddle on Jan 12, 2017 1:15:07 GMT
My oldest brother and his wife voted for Trump. He was not their first or even second choice. They despise Hillary and have since she was First Lady. He is ex-military, and pretty conservative. We seldom discuss politics. |
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Post by Gennifer on Jan 12, 2017 1:20:59 GMT
However, unlike you, I don't base my thoughts or feelings about people on who they pulled the lever for in the voting both. Well, that's fantastic for you. I could have said the same thing prior to this election. Like I said, Trump is not a normal person. And, frankly, I don't feel the need to apologize for feeling like I do. At some point, you have to take a stand, and I'm happy with the side of the line I'm on. |
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jan 12, 2017 1:28:47 GMT
However, unlike you, I don't base my thoughts or feelings about people on who they pulled the lever for in the voting both. Well, that's fantastic for you. I could have said the same thing prior to this election. Like I said, Trump is not a normal person. And, frankly, I don't feel the need to apologize for feeling like I do. At some point, you have to take a stand, and I'm happy with the side of the line I'm on. And every single word you say is what many, if not all Trump supporters think and feel. " We don't feel the need to apologize for feeling like we do (or for who we voted for). At some point we had to take a stand, and we are happy with the side of the line we are on". What I find ironic is that you seek an apology from those who voted for Trump based on how they felt but then claim you don't need to apologize for your feelings. Accept that others are entitled to exactly the same; even if they don't agree on the side of the line they're on. |
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Post by Gennifer on Jan 12, 2017 1:33:47 GMT
I do accept it. Where did I say I didn't? I'm really just curious if those who voted for Trump then would make the same choice now. As I said earlier, friends of mine who have been very active politically on FB are suddenly very quiet. And I hope they're doing some thinking.
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Post by llinin on Jan 12, 2017 1:49:13 GMT
I do accept it. Where did I say I didn't? I'm really just curious if those who voted for Trump then would make the same choice now. As I said earlier, friends of mine who have been very active politically on FB are suddenly very quiet. And I hope they're doing some thinking. I would make the same choice and vote for him again. Maybe their silence is they are tired of discussing it. I have never posted anything political on fb so I can't speak to why they would change their political posting style. I haven't seen anything yet from him that has just knocked me on my ass with surprise. Lots of things he does irritate me. His platform more closely aligns with what I think is important, that hasn't changed because he tweets like a fool. |
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Post by Gennifer on Jan 12, 2017 1:52:36 GMT
Thanks for responding, llinin.
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Post by leslie132 on Jan 12, 2017 2:56:50 GMT
I do accept it. Where did I say I didn't? I'm really just curious if those who voted for Trump then would make the same choice now. As I said earlier, friends of mine who have been very active politically on FB are suddenly very quiet. And I hope they're doing some thinking. Im not discussing who I voted for. I may have stated on a post or two about what my opinions are, but for the most part I'm just quiet about it. It is how I was raised, to be honest. Having said that I will say this.....maybe those friends are staying quiet now because every where they turn is a new post about something of Trump. It gets old. It gets tiring. I have a friend that in an hour posted 6 new posts about Trump. It just seems like a dog with a bone mentality. I actually sat back, and asked myself if it was time to take a break from social media. Yes, his tweets are insane. I'm not on twitter, but I hear so much about it, I feel like I am on twitter. I read so much about it on FB,and on here, that I was actually thinking of stepping back. There is nothing wrong with clearing your head. So maybe that is why friends have gone quiet. You can argue until your blue in the face, but sometimes it's best to just walk away! Maybe they walked away. Most likely they will be back! I say take the break while you can....It all just a little over the top right now. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jan 12, 2017 3:24:51 GMT
I would think a lot higher of some people in my life if they seemed concerned. They are atypically quiet on FB the past few days, so I guess that tells me something, but I feel like they are very much ostrich-ing. I agree. I have not seen much from either side on FB since the election and that concerns me. I hope that people are just keeping their thoughts and concerns off of FB and not just ignoring the news altogether (like many people have said they were going to do, but I hope were joking). I still can not understand how someone could give a pass to everything that Trump has said and done, regardless of party or policy, unless they fall into the "isms" and/or have very different values and beliefs than I do. Having different values or beliefs is fine...but it has really made me wonder how well I know some people in my life as well as the values of the country as a whole. I keep waiting to hear something that will make me think differently, but so far that hasn't happened. And the more I see and hear from DT the more difficult it is to see why anyone would vote for him. I am not saying that to any one person, or to be snarky. I just don't get it. |
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Post by mom on Jan 12, 2017 3:35:39 GMT
She just said that she no longer is willing to discuss her thoughts because there is no discussion. It's all attack all the time. You sure proved her wrong. You honestly think that's an attack? I didn't figure you were that sensitive. I asked an honest question. Are you OK with his constant tweeting? Would you be, if it was Hillary or Obama? A sincere answer would be appreciated. For the record, I would not be ok with the frequency and content of those tweets no matter who was doing it. It's an embarrassment. @zig I am not who you asked the question to, but I am a Republican. And yes. I wish he would not tweet. |
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Post by 2peaornot2pea on Jan 12, 2017 3:39:46 GMT
I actually prefer that the Republicans, Trump voters and/or supporters do not continue to answer the call outs to them about what they think, why they voted for him, what are they going to do when . . . What exactly is it that people are looking for from them? There is nothing they can say that will change anyone's minds, nothing that they can say that will make others accept their reason for voting for him, nothing they can say that will change the election or make people stop calling them out. They can't control nor change his tweets, they can't tell him to stop arguing with the press or celebrities. So why keep asking them what they think about it. Since they can't control it, why does it matter what they think. As someone that is not affiliated with either party, what is it that people are looking for from the Trump voters/supporters? What I am looking for is for people to put country ahead of party. If there ever comes a time when Trump voters/supporters are bothered by what he tweets, his apparent conflicts of interests, etc. there is something they can do. They can contact their congressman, write letters to the editor, etc. We are not powerless. We, the people, do the hiring and firing. Trump works for us. He cannot fire us but we can fire him.
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