This is what makes me angry about *some* rabid Trumpites

Jan 23, 2017 19:19:13 GMT elaine said:

Jan 23, 2017 18:44:10 GMT jonda1974 said:

It is me. I probably am coming across a lot more defensive than intended. I didn't vote for Trump, but the fact that I didn't vote for Hillary has led to three months of turmoil from a large percentage of my friends, and to some degree members of my family. I had one friend, one of my best friends, spend about a week following the election, calling me every name under the sun other than my name. I have been basically marginalized by many in my community and circle of friends as the gay "Uncle Tom". 

I have always been fiscally conservative, and more liberal socially than not. I stopped voting party lines after my first election where I voted for Clinton, and he promptly threw the LGBT community under the proverbial bus with DODT then backed it up over us with DOMA. I have never forgiven him for that. 

Personally I voted for Gary Johnson. I figured, "Hey, he's a pothead...at least we will have a happy president."

I personally don't find the photos of Melania vulgar, or pornagraphic, but I have never been what one would consider a prude when it comes to nudity and sexuality. There are many celebrities who have posed for artistic photos. Madonna probably being the most infamous. Melania had these photos taken as the course of her work required. The issue I had with them being posted, and the reason I called the post disgusting, was not the content of the images, but the intent of the poster. 

There were a lot of things I did not like politically about Michelle Obama, but I have always found her to be gracious and classy. Where she stepped into the political arena, I have commented on my thoughts about her political remarks. However, I have chastised a lot of times over the years, family who have tried to denigrate her personally. I found the comments by many in the political world, such as the so-called Mayor in Va or WVa. who called her a derogatory term to be repulsive.

Melania Trump deserves respect, regardless of her husband's policies. I have read that her primary objective is being a mother to Barron. That's her main focus, and she has been thrust into the spotlight where every move she makes will be scrutinized, as it was by many on the right of Michelle Obama. It was wrong then, and it's wrong now. I watched the Inauguration and the Ball. I saw a woman petrified of making a wrong move. She seemed to be concentrating so hard on every gesture, every movement, that yes, she did appear stiff and nervous in some cases. Calling her a gold-digger, someone looking for a sugar daddy, and other such names (not here, but in social media, etc.) is repulsive. 

She is a competent business woman, a wonderful mother, the 2nd immigrant First lady in this nation's history. She speaks 5 languages if I remember correctly. She is as much a role model for young girls as Michelle was and is. 

This sounds like the you that I've enjoyed talking with over the years.   You have been very terse lately - not more defensive, per se - but not explaining yourself as you usually do.

The many issues surrounding Melania are a conundrum for me.  My biggest issue with her pornographic past is that it would have been an unimaginable shitstorm if she were a Democratic candidate's wife.  Heck, we endured threads about Michelle Obama's bare arms.   It is frustrating to have the political party that appears to have a perverse interest in legislating what goes on in other people's bedrooms, be a-okay when the atypical behavior is on the part of one of their own.  

I don't think that Trump's immediate family - meaning Melania and Barron - wanted any part of being in the White House and Trump, it appears to me, made that decision unilaterally.  And now we, the taxpayers, have to pay for those two to live in another state.

 I actually do have an issue with that - I think that the decision to run for and actually BE President of the US is something that the whole family needs to support.  Heaven knows it is a very taxing position - or positions - as the family members DO have important roles to play. And, given the number of public sexual comments Trump has made about Ivanka, I find it a little creepy that it is apparently expected for her to fill what is traditionally the FLOTUS role in some situations. 

For me, Melania is beautiful, and multi-lingual, but isn't who I would use as a role model for girls in my life. There are a number of reasons for that, the soft-porn modeling being just one.

I've been trying to figure out why Ivanka's appearance at the ball made me uneasy.  After all, she was beautiful, truly looked like a princess!  It just now hit me that yeah, she did look like a princess, and when you have a princess you typically have a king.  Which, no offence to any current kings/queens/royalty out there who are wonderful people and do a beautiful job of ruling or representing their countries, is a little too much like a dictator.

I agree with your other comments, as well.  (well except for Jonda, I don't know you but am happy to have you here.)

Jun 28, 2014 19:41:26 GMT jonda1974 said:

There are many celebrities who have posed for artistic photos. Madonna probably being the most infamous. Melania had these photos taken as the course of her work required. The issue I had with them being posted, and the reason I called the post disgusting, was not the content of the images, but the intent of the poster. 

OMG you need to seriously shut up about Madonna, you clearly don't have the first idea about feminism. You can't use Madonna's feminist ideals and apply them to Melania, that's just beyond a joke. Two different women posing nude are so NOT the same thing.

To start with Madonna isn't the First Lady, if she were then I'm betting her photos would be a big deal, but somehow Trump's wife should get a free pass, and secondly no-one is posting here claiming Madonna is "classy" and ascribing her with false credentials.

Madonna built her own career from scratch and turned herself into who she is today, she did her nude photos at the height of her career and she didn't need any old fat man to make it happen and she didn't need the money. She has an actual talent and she has a 30 year career so far and she didn't do any of that by marrying an ugly old man and buying her way in with his money. Love her or hate her she is a strong symbol of female empowerment.

Melania is the exact opposite, she's all about using her body for commerce, she sold herself for the sole purpose of making money and then she sold herself to a disgusting old pervert who talks about just kissing women when they aren't expecting it and grabbing them by the pussy. Young attractive, Slovenian models do not marry men like that for love...they marry them for money and for a lifestyle. Clearly her own career wasn't going well to do that movie and those photos and she saw a way into a lifestyle with Trump and she took it. The gold digger label fits her perfectly and she does NOT just automatically get "respect" because she suddenly finds herself in the same position as the other women who actually did things to deserve it.

She barely says a word and trails after him like some lost puppy, looks miserable 90% of the time. Madonna is about empowerment and Melania is about subservience to a man and not any kind of example or role model to modern women, she acts like she wants to be transported back to the 1950s. 

Where's her self made career? What's her talent? (apart from what she probably does in the bedroom), where are all the examples of her charity work over the years? Seeing as you insist on comparing the two - Madonna has been raising 4 kids and maintained a career and is  building and paediatric hospital in Malawi and did none of that but riding the wealth and coat-tails of some rich old man. Yeah, I'm pretty sure Madonna had "had" a lot more men in her life, but she hasn't needed or used  them to get where she is.

Michelle Obama married a man who is her equal in life and what they share and the respect they have for each other is clear in every interaction.

Comparing Melania and Madonna shows just how little understanding of the concepts if feminism you have and the two women are far from comparable.

She is a gold digger pure and simple or we can tart it up and call him her "sugar daddy" but it is exactly what it looks like and my "intent" of posting that meme was to show that even when Michelle wears an ugly dress, she still has more class on her worst day than Melania has on her best...because it's not about clothes it's about attitude and how you live your life.