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Post by Merge on Jan 24, 2017 17:33:14 GMT
1. I think you're ascribing an awfully high motive to a young, relatively unknown model who took her clothes off for cash. 2. Art is certainly in the eye of the beholder, but I think it's a pretty big stretch to call Melania's photos "art." I'm not going to slut-shame her for them, but the problem is that they are the most memorable part of her body of work. She has had no career apart from modeling, led no charitable work, championed no causes. She has been a mother (laudable, but of course I'm sure there were a bevy of nannies to help with the heavy lifting) and a trophy wife, and that's it. And while there's nothing wrong with any of that - it is her life to live as she chooses - there is nothing in that, that makes her a role model for young women who aspire to use their brains and not just their bodies to further their careers. Now in Melania's defense, I'm quite certain that she only signed up to be a trophy wife and a mom and an NYC socialite, and never aspired to be first lady. And it's not her fault that she's been put in that position now. But we don't need to falsely ascribe virtues to her that don't exist to make her look better in comparison with previous, more accomplished first ladies. And we should absolutely speak up when anyone describes her relatively uneducated, relatively unaccomplished self as "more classy" than Michelle Obama just because she has a model's body and white skin. I always find it very interesting how women are more derogatory and tear down other women more than anyone else in the world. This goes for both sides. "Trophy Wife" Prove it. Not opinion. Proof. Just because she happened to marry a wealthy man, doesn't mean she did it solely for the money, or the fame, or the NYC social life. That's the same in my opinion as slut shaming. Which is another thing feminist women do very well. If a woman wants to take off her clothes, to me, that's an example of empowerment. Whatever the reason. I thought it was interesting that the Women's march broke ties with a pro-life group that was intending to be a sponsor of the women's movement, or how about the racial division with white women being told to "check their privilege". 42% of women voted for Trump. Their opinion matters as much as the women marching. But I see them being talked down to consistently if they don't 100% ascribe to the so-called "modern feminist ideals". I personally said that Melania was "JUST AS" class as Michelle Obama, not more than. "Trophy wife" makes a statement about Trump's motives in marrying her, not hers in marrying him. |
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Post by jonda1974 on Jan 24, 2017 17:54:00 GMT
I always find it very interesting how women are more derogatory and tear down other women more than anyone else in the world. This goes for both sides. "Trophy Wife" Prove it. Not opinion. Proof. Just because she happened to marry a wealthy man, doesn't mean she did it solely for the money, or the fame, or the NYC social life. That's the same in my opinion as slut shaming. Which is another thing feminist women do very well. If a woman wants to take off her clothes, to me, that's an example of empowerment. Whatever the reason. I thought it was interesting that the Women's march broke ties with a pro-life group that was intending to be a sponsor of the women's movement, or how about the racial division with white women being told to "check their privilege". 42% of women voted for Trump. Their opinion matters as much as the women marching. But I see them being talked down to consistently if they don't 100% ascribe to the so-called "modern feminist ideals". I personally said that Melania was "JUST AS" class as Michelle Obama, not more than. "Trophy wife" makes a statement about Trump's motives in marrying her, not hers in marrying him. Yet is serves to demean the woman, not the man. |
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Post by PaperAngel on Jan 24, 2017 18:22:33 GMT
Confirmation bias is not limited to Republicans, white people, etc. I don't find journalists or anyone else who use these type of sources as a strategy to make a point credible. Rather than respond, I suggest ignoring the post. You're disgusting. I used to respect you.  That's funny. I've always thought of you as a just political troll, as far as I recall we've never interacted in any way so that loss of respect doesn't actually count for anything...but nonetheless, amusing that you'd think I'd care. I love that *I'm* disgusting though - when it's not me that accepted money to do soft porn and to hang out my bits for men to ogle at, that's all on the classy first lady herself...she made her own choices and gets to live with them, and so does Donny boy. He even encouraged the GQ shoot, so if they are both so OK with it, then what's the problem in bringing it up again? Or did it offend your gay snowflake sensitivities having to see some "lady bits" like that when you weren't prepared for them?That's right, she made lesbian soft porn and that's totally fine, however it's the person who reminds people that she did it, who is the "disgusting" one  FTR that isn't my meme, it's all over twitter and has been for quite some time and is posted pretty much any time someone tweets about Melania being "classy". IMHO personal attacks, including that bolded above (bold is mine), are unnecessary & dilute the integrity of the board. I'm disappointed at the number of vocal posters participating in this thread who regularly lecture others, claim to support, & even marched for LGBTQA rights but did not condemn this hateful & demeaning comment. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2017 18:26:52 GMT
IMHO personal attacks, include that bolded above (bold is mine) are unnecessary & dilute the integrity of the board. I'm disappointed at the number of vocal posters participating in this thread who regularly lecture others, claim to support, & marched for LGBTQA rights but did not condemn this blatantly mean & demeaning comment. Thank you for stating this. My thoughts exactly. |
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Post by Merge on Jan 24, 2017 18:53:43 GMT
"Trophy wife" makes a statement about Trump's motives in marrying her, not hers in marrying him. Yet is serves to demean the woman, not the man. I'm not sure why it has to demean anyone. You're the one putting a judgment value on that term, not me. |
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Post by BlueDiamond on Jan 24, 2017 22:32:55 GMT
I came here to say: pjaye, I love you! |
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Post by pjaye on Jan 25, 2017 10:30:59 GMT
condemn this hateful & demeaning comment. Exactly what is "hateful" about it? He's a gay man, and open about it. He called me disgusting & said he lost respect because I posted a naked woman...or does "you're disgusting" sound like a compliment to you? He insulted me so I insulted him back, BUT the insult was about being a sensitive little snowflake with regard to nudity, the gay part just got tossed in because it would make no sense otherwise as generally straight men love naked women porn. I have plenty of gay friends and surprisingly. when they look at porn, a women's hoo-ha isn't high on their list. He provided no other context as to why my post was "disgusting" so I assumed it was simply because he thought me posting naked photos was disgusting However it turns out he's the national spokesperson for "artistic nudity" knows all about nude photographers and loves nudity and barely ever wears clothes himself...who knew? Turns out I was wrong, it was the "gold digger" comment that had him so worked up and not the nudity at all. The word gay in and of itself is not an insult, referring to a gay man as gay when it is relevant to the topic (i.e. what sort of porn he might like or not like) also isn't an insult. If the opposite occurred, if gay man posted a photo of two naked men kissing and I told him he was disgusting and he replied to me that I was just offended because I'm a straight female so I didn't appreciate gay imagery - would his comment to me be considered "hateful and demeaning"?...no it would not. Me being a straight woman is simply a fact, as his him being a gay man. You could probably make the point that neither of us should be insulting each other ...that would have some validity, but my comment was no more "hateful" than his, and in my best Donald Trump voice "he started it!" Sad! |
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