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Post by gossamer on Aug 19, 2014 19:08:47 GMT
I believe it was Michael Brown who was the victim when he was shot and killed by the cop. You know, the MURDER VICTIM? So Michael Brown is innocent until proven guilty of ASSAULT and THEFT? He's not totally innocent. Michael could be alive and well today if he decided a different path.. to pay for what he stole that day. IF.. he assaulted the police.. then he caused his death and he's not a victim.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2014 19:09:55 GMT
has the national news reported the last stl shooting? Another officer involved shootingthis protestor accosted a police officer with a knife ended up shot - and dead ferguson is devolving - why don't you spend your time praying/hoping for peace rather than arguing amongst yourselves gina It's not about arguing amongst ourselves. It's about media being arrested for reporting what is going on, people putting up "facts" and "photos" that aren't truthful at all. Both sides are doing disservice to this incident. It's sad that this is happening here in our country.
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Post by ginacivey on Aug 19, 2014 19:12:20 GMT
but is all this arguing and finger pointing getting you all anywhere?
you are all speculating - none of you are privy all the facts
the media...as a whole...are disgusting
and i was - and still am - pissy with pearfect for putting up that photo that WAS NOT mike brown and then failing to acknowledge that she was wrong
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2014 19:13:01 GMT
I believe it was Michael Brown who was the victim when he was shot and killed by the cop. You know, the MURDER VICTIM? So Michael Brown is innocent until proven guilty of ASSAULT and THEFT? He's not totally innocent. Michael could be alive and well today if he decided a different path.. to pay for what he stole that day. IF.. he assaulted the police.. then he caused his death and he's not a victim. And this is EXACTLY why the Ferguson PD released that video. To relieve themselves of any responsibility and to make it his fault. Guess they were successful.
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Post by gossamer on Aug 19, 2014 19:14:38 GMT
Are you sure of that? Is that what is being reported? If so, WOW!
The video will be inadmissible in court. So why release it? The police were retroactively trying to justify Brown’s death. Possibly to relieve some tension in the community, to stop the looting, by showing what Michael had been doing prior to meeting the cop that day.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2014 19:15:57 GMT
but is all this arguing and finger pointing getting you all anywhere? you are all speculating - none of you are privy all the facts the media...as a whole...are disgusting and i was - and still am - pissy with pearfect for putting up that photo that WAS NOT mike brown and then failing to acknowledge that she was wrong The media is disgusting for wanting to report what is going on? For real? I am actually not a media fan but disagree here and don't believe they should be arrested for just reporting the news. That goes against everything this country stands for.
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Post by gossamer on Aug 19, 2014 19:20:49 GMT
So Michael Brown is innocent until proven guilty of ASSAULT and THEFT? He's not totally innocent. Michael could be alive and well today if he decided a different path.. to pay for what he stole that day. IF.. he assaulted the police.. then he caused his death and he's not a victim. And this is EXACTLY why the Ferguson PD released that video. To relieve themselves of any responsibility and to make it his fault. Guess they were successful. They reported that it was Michael in that store, I had heard one person say that no one had proof that it was Michael. Then rioting and looting. So then they released the video, I would assume to back up what they had reported earlier and to alleviate some tension in the communtiy.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2014 19:21:17 GMT
The video will be inadmissible in court. So why release it? The police were retroactively trying to justify Brown’s death. Possibly to relieve some tension in the community, to stop the looting, by showing what Michael had been doing prior to meeting the cop that day. Bwhahahahaha! That's rich. Really.
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Post by stittsygirl on Aug 19, 2014 19:21:42 GMT
One neighbor said he knew Officer Wilson was on the Ferguson police force, and figured out that he might be linked to the shooting of Mr. Brown when police cars, marked and unmarked, started showing up in the neighborhood several days ago. Then on Tuesday, Officer Wilson began mowing his lawn, but “he did not finish,” said the neighbor, who wore a faded Cardinals T-shirt and camouflage shorts. “It appears they left in a hurry.”NY TimesIf officer Wilson did suffer an orbital blowout (which I've assisted repairing before in surgery), he didn't seem to be suffering enough from it not to be mowing his lawn later, according to a neighbor. Any injury officer Wilson suffered in the vehicle could have also come from the kickback of a weapon accidentally, or purposely, being discharged in such close quarters. Just another possibility.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Aug 19, 2014 19:27:30 GMT
The video will be inadmissible in court. So why release it? The police were retroactively trying to justify Brown’s death. Possibly to relieve some tension in the community, to stop the looting, by showing what Michael had been doing prior to meeting the cop that day. Scheduling a press conference to purportedly talk about the shooting and then spending the majority of their time discussing a theft that was wholly unrelated to the shooting did nothing to relieve tension.
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Post by gossamer on Aug 19, 2014 19:29:27 GMT
Possibly to relieve some tension in the community, to stop the looting, by showing what Michael had been doing prior to meeting the cop that day. Bwhahahahaha! That's rich. Really. Your opinion.
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Post by gossamer on Aug 19, 2014 19:30:59 GMT
Possibly to relieve some tension in the community, to stop the looting, by showing what Michael had been doing prior to meeting the cop that day. Scheduling a press conference to purportedly talk about the shooting and then spending the majority of their time discussing a theft that was wholly unrelated to the shooting did nothing to relieve tension. May not have worked, but still may have been the reason they released it. Neither of us know.
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Post by ginacivey on Aug 19, 2014 19:39:13 GMT
i didn't say the media should be arrested
don't put words into my mouth
i said they are disgusting - and they are - and they have a right to be disgusting while they report
and have ya'll pulled yourselves away from this argument long enough to read the new reports out of ferguson
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Post by Dalai Mama on Aug 19, 2014 19:43:46 GMT
Scheduling a press conference to purportedly talk about the shooting and then spending the majority of their time discussing a theft that was wholly unrelated to the shooting did nothing to relieve tension. May not have worked, but still may have been the reason they released it. Neither of us know. No, we don't know, but the alternative is that not one person who was in on the decision has any clue about human nature whatsoever. Which is kind of scary given that they are in charge of law and order.
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Aug 19, 2014 19:46:10 GMT
ginacivey you might want to put BREAKING NEWS on your post because I don't think anyone got the point that you are trying to make - that another shooting occurred today in Ferguson by police officers and the subject had a knife. The scope of the situation is escalating.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2014 19:50:25 GMT
ginacivey you might want to put BREAKING NEWS on your post because I don't think anyone got the point that you are trying to make - that another shooting occurred today in Ferguson by a police officer who was charged with a knife. The scope of the situation is escalating. I don't believe it was IN Ferguson. Near, yes, but it was St Louis police, not Ferguson police. It should be noted that the St Louis police are handling this in a wholly different way - forthcoming with information, etc.. It couldn't be more different from the shenanigans of the Ferguson PD after Michael Brown's shooting.
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Post by luckyexwife on Aug 19, 2014 19:50:41 GMT
I agree with mrs t i dont' think cnn is reporting the events the way the local stations are have any of you watched any local reporting? reading some of your conjectures makes me wonder Wait, Mrs T is here? I've missed her posts...did she change her name?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2014 19:54:28 GMT
Yes, that really was a dick move.
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Aug 19, 2014 19:55:49 GMT
ginacivey you might want to put BREAKING NEWS on your post because I don't think anyone got the point that you are trying to make - that another shooting occurred today in Ferguson by a police officer who was charged with a knife. The scope of the situation is escalating. I don't believe it was IN Ferguson. Near, yes, but it was St Louis police, not Ferguson police. It should be noted that the St Louis police are handling this in a wholly different way - forthcoming with information, etc.. It couldn't be more different from the shenanigans of the Ferguson PD after Michael Brown's shooting. I was in the car listening to the radio and the report was Ferguson but you could be right. The news outlets are reporting to be first and it doesn't matter if the facts are correct.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2014 19:57:11 GMT
During the press conference I saw with Baden, they also stated that while that shot on the arm could've come from the back, they also said it could've come from the front...if Brown had his arm up towards his head/face...in a "defensive" type posture. (which is consistent with other witnesses stating that Brown turned to face the officer and then charged at him) And... it also could have been a back-to-front shot, consistent with what the first three eyewitnesses testified to. So I suppose we'll wait until the other autopsy and ballistics reports are released, and see how closely they corroborate with any and all of the testimony given. Many though (across all the media I've been watching) were willing to write off the entire testimony of Brown's friend and the two young black women, who testified Brown jerked as if shot while running from the officer, when the initial report came out that the shots were only fired into the front of his body. No evidence or testimony can be written off at this point, obviously, but from what has been reported so far I personally continue to side with the initial witnesses, who sound more credible to me, and also have less to lose than officer Wilson and the Ferguson P.D. I'm just really grateful I'm not someone that has to either investigate or try this case. I simply gave both scenarios that Baden gave. (which you clearly left off part of their "report" in your haste to state that the autopsy reports indicate that he was shot from the back)
Also...I'm wondering what that audio witness heard in the video posted a few pages ago "has to lose" because his testimony says that Brown charged the officer. Have you seen that video and heard that witness?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2014 19:58:49 GMT
I heard it was about 4 miles from Ferguson. The article below gives the name of the store and the intersection in north St. Louis, but I am not familiar enough with the area to know the distance. It was St Louis police involved. Link to articcle
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Post by gossamer on Aug 19, 2014 19:59:53 GMT
May not have worked, but still may have been the reason they released it. Neither of us know. No, we don't know, but the alternative is that not one person who was in on the decision has any clue about human nature whatsoever. Which is kind of scary given that they are in charge of law and order. Human nature? I would assume that videos like these aren't normally released early because they wait until the trial. And sure, those that chose to release the video, "THEY" make mistakes just like anyone else.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2014 19:59:57 GMT
Are you sure of that? Is that what is being reported? If so, WOW!
The video will be inadmissible in court. So why release it? The police were retroactively trying to justify Brown’s death. I'd like to know how you're so certain that the video will be inadmissible in court? If we learn that the officer in fact heard on his radio (in his car or on his person) that there was a robbery and a description of the suspects, I would think that the robbery will be a HUGE tie in to the shooting.
Therefore the video WILL be admissible.
This is why I've stayed off this thread the past few days. Too many people are making factual claims that they simply do not know.
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Post by gossamer on Aug 19, 2014 20:01:46 GMT
I heard Chicago had a bad weekend, wonder why we don't hear anything about those murders?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2014 20:07:20 GMT
I heard Chicago had a bad weekend, wonder why we don't hear anything about those murders? I have heard plenty of the issues in Chicago. In national news and locally as well here in Florida. Obviously you did too or you wouldn't have put that here. Chicago is my hometown and the best city ever. Yes even with it's issues.
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Post by stittsygirl on Aug 19, 2014 20:12:55 GMT
And... it also could have been a back-to-front shot, consistent with what the first three eyewitnesses testified to. So I suppose we'll wait until the other autopsy and ballistics reports are released, and see how closely they corroborate with any and all of the testimony given. Many though (across all the media I've been watching) were willing to write off the entire testimony of Brown's friend and the two young black women, who testified Brown jerked as if shot while running from the officer, when the initial report came out that the shots were only fired into the front of his body. No evidence or testimony can be written off at this point, obviously, but from what has been reported so far I personally continue to side with the initial witnesses, who sound more credible to me, and also have less to lose than officer Wilson and the Ferguson P.D. I'm just really grateful I'm not someone that has to either investigate or try this case. I simply gave both scenarios that Baden gave. (which you clearly left off part of their "report" in your haste to state that the autopsy reports indicate that he was shot from the back)
Also...I'm wondering what that audio witness heard in the video posted a few pages ago "has to lose" because his testimony says that Brown charged the officer. Have you seen that video and heard that witness?
The possibility of a back-to-front entry was the one that corroborated in part with the testimony of Brown's friend and the two young women, which was in question, which is why I quoted it. I also left a link, as I usually do when I quote things here, so that others could read for themselves the full report. I'm not understanding why you have a problem with me only posting that part here, but whatever. Yes, I've seen the video and heard the witness. Again, I'm glad I don't have to investigate or sit on a jury for this case, but my current feelings remain the same. I have yet to see any valid evidence that shooting Michael Brown dead in the street was justified, or that I should disbelieve the accounts of the three initial witnesses.
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Post by gossamer on Aug 19, 2014 20:13:43 GMT
I heard Chicago had a bad weekend, wonder why we don't hear anything about those murders? I have heard plenty of the issues in Chicago. In national news and locally as well here in Florida. Obviously you did too or you wouldn't have put that here. Chicago is my hometown and the best city ever. Yes even with it's issues. I've have only heard what I posted. Chicago.. bad weekend, lots of shootings. But not national news or local news like the coverage of Ferguson, Mo.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2014 20:18:09 GMT
I have heard plenty of the issues in Chicago. In national news and locally as well here in Florida. Obviously you did too or you wouldn't have put that here. Chicago is my hometown and the best city ever. Yes even with it's issues. I've have only heard what I posted. Chicago.. bad weekend, lots of shootings. But not national news or local news like the coverage of Ferguson, Mo. Well the info is out there. Not hard to find. But it isn't the news like what is happening in ferguson. Big difference.
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Post by cycworker on Aug 19, 2014 20:22:44 GMT
Let me just paraphrase my Federal CrimPro professor for a minute: "Even a pig has rights." I'm not calling anyone a pig (either the police or MB), the point is that whether MB was guilty of robbing a store, looting, raping, murdering, etc. he had rights. Rights which the government (i.e., a police officer) had no authority to take away without due process. That, for me, is what this and any other case like this boils down to. There are parameters within which police officers are required to act; any action outside those parameters is absolutely, unequivocally wrong. I have friends who are prosecutors and have friends who are defense attorneys. Neither set of friends place 100% trust in a police officer's words. Neither do I. The problem here is that the police is not acting with clean hands. Well said. It really, really depresses me that there is anyone who can fail to see the racism and corruption of the Ferguson Police Department. Michael Brown's murder and every member of that police force who has allowed the culture which led to Brown's death to prevail must be fired immediately. Until the DOJ et al completely cleans house in this corrupt force, there can't be peace.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2014 20:30:43 GMT
I simply gave both scenarios that Baden gave. (which you clearly left off part of their "report" in your haste to state that the autopsy reports indicate that he was shot from the back)
Also...I'm wondering what that audio witness heard in the video posted a few pages ago "has to lose" because his testimony says that Brown charged the officer. Have you seen that video and heard that witness?
The possibility of a back-to-front entry was the one that corroborated in part with the testimony of Brown's friend and the two young women, which was in question, which is why I quoted it. I also left a link, as I usually do when I quote things here, so that others could read for themselves the full report. I'm not understanding why you have a problem with me only posting that part here, but whatever. Yes, I've seen the video and heard the witness. Again, I'm glad I don't have to investigate or sit on a jury for this case, but my current feelings remain the same. I have yet to see any valid evidence that shooting Michael Brown dead in the street was justified, or that I should disbelieve the accounts of the three initial witnesses. But you're disregarding the other possibilities. Possibilities that Baden and the forensic guy brought up because you're so set to pick and choose what you believe and which "initial witnesses" to take into account. (the other witness was just as much an "initial witness" as your first three...but again...he's not telling the storyline you want to believe...just as Baden claiming that Brown having his arm up could've just as easily have happened because it's not what you want to believe)
But whatever.
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