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Post by M~ on Aug 19, 2014 3:14:41 GMT
Will do!!! Have a wonderful, hearsay-free evening!!!
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 19, 2014 3:23:42 GMT
Will do!!! Have a wonderful, hearsay-free evening!!! And you like to grind it in don't you? Man, to be you so perfect and all must be a challenge!
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Post by gar on Aug 19, 2014 7:48:17 GMT
I see what you did there!
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Post by Dalai Mama on Aug 19, 2014 10:17:36 GMT
You know, most of your contribution to this thread is calling other people stupid. So I've got to ask, oh wise one - what exactly is 'heresay'? And how does one 'give trial'? Now, like I said on another thread, I'm not one to correct grammar but if you are going to put yourself out there by calling other people stupid, you might want to ensure that you don't come off sounding like an eighth grade illiterate yourself. Just saying. One post where my words might not be clear to you and I am labeled and 8th grade illiterate. I thought better of you Dalai Mama. Giving trial via media = condemning, being judge and jury based on what has been portrayed in the media, which is what is happening EVERYWHERE on this issue. My apologies for not being crystal clear. Heresay-going by witness accounts of people who were not there, have gotten their information by so many sources that no one really knows what is true or not. I am really surprised that my little old illiterate self has to explain these two things, especially to you. Now for in general. Referencing the OP of what I quoted as a fool. I was not out just to calling her stupid (that was reserved for lizandjuan, because well, she was being stupid) I was referencing her words back to her based on her post, you can go look back if you are so inclined to read the actual context of the convo/thread. Hearsay was the word you were lookng for. I could have gone on - 'little facts', for example, and your use of the word 'stupider' was particularly ironic - but I stuck to that one post because there were enough examples already. Liz, peacesign, the OP - I personally don't care who it's directed towards. If you impugn someone's intelligence, you probably want to do it in a post that isn't rife with errors.
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Post by Kelpea on Aug 19, 2014 13:28:09 GMT
Guess I'll go to my grave knowing in my heart racism is alive and well in this country. And I'm WHITE. I've seen it my entire life, and if you were honest, you have seen it too. And for many of you, you will never see it because you're not a minority. Here's just a few in my lifetime that I know of.
1991: Crown Heights riot (Crown Heights neighborhood, Brooklyn, New York City) 1992: Los Angeles Riots (Los Angeles, California): In a reaction to the acquittal of all four LAPD officers involved in the videotaped beating of Rodney King and the murder of Latasha Harlins; riots broke out mainly involving black youths in the black neighborhoods and shop owners in Korean neighborhoods, but overall rioting was mainly to get out the frustrations of the racial groups over the racial tensions that were building in the South Central neighborhood for years. 1996: St. Petersburg Riots (St. Petersburg, Florida): After Officer Jim Knight stopped 18 yr. old Tyron Lewis for speeding, his car lurched forward and Knight fired his weapon, fatally wounding the black teenager. Riots broke out and lasted for about 2 days. 2001: Cincinnati riots (Cincinnati, Ohio): In a reaction to the fatal shooting of an unarmed young black male, Timothy Thomas by Cincinnati police officer Steven Roach, during a foot pursuit, riots broke out over the span of a few days. 2003: Benton Harbor riots (Benton Harbor, Michigan) 2005: 2005 Toledo Riot (Toledo, Ohio): A race riot that broke out after a planned Neo-Nazi protest march through a black neighborhood. 2008: Locke High School riot[50] (Los Angeles, California) 2009: 2009 Oakland Riots (Oakland, California): Peaceful protests turned into rioting after the fatal shooting of an unarmed black man, Oscar Grant, by a BART transit policeman. 2014: Shooting of Michael Brown, later riots break out after the shooting was believed to be racially motivated.
(from Wikipedia)
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Post by anxiousmom on Aug 19, 2014 13:45:03 GMT
Guess I'll go to my grave knowing in my heart racism is alive and well in this country. And I'm WHITE. I've seen it my entire life, and if you were honest, you have seen it too. I can unequivocally say that racism is alive and well *right now this very moment.* I live in an area that is historically racist. Not every one is of course, but it is absolutely is here. It isn't always overt, but there are the code words that are spoken, the phrases that people use to "feel you out" on the topic, the raised eyebrows and the trailing fingers across skin to suggest skin color is an issue. While I am trying very hard to withhold judgement on this particular case, I know deep down that race is an issue. There is no way that the results we are seeing are NOT tied to race. No way.
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Post by katieanna on Aug 19, 2014 13:50:09 GMT
PEArfect, I'm not sure why you found it necessary to be so sarcastic. Of course, everyone knows that the media sensationalizes everything. It seems like some people who are posting on this thread are taking what they are hearing on the national news and making it out to be the "real" way things in Ferguson are happening. I was only pointing out that if you aren't in St. Louis watching the coverage we get pretty much around the clock and only basing their opinions on what they hear in the national media, they aren't getting a true picture.
Just on the example I gave about last night: If one only saw CNN's coverage of "police in Ferguson cleared the streets with tear gas well before curfew," you may have a different opinion of the police than someone local who saw what happened before the police had to resort to tear gas. I was simply trying to give a reminder that things aren't always what they seem, that is all. I typically fall on the side of media reflecting society. People have the attention span of sugared-up toddlers so the media have to condense the news into short sensationalized sound bites. Information gets lost. ...and very selective information at that, it seems...
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Post by Kelpea on Aug 19, 2014 13:53:45 GMT
Anxiousmom, I agree with you. Growing up in Miami, I saw my grandfather deeply affected by racism. As an immigrant from Canada, he was HORRIFIED by the racism he saw in Miami in the 60s. He became an active member of the ACLU and as he was building up his business, became involved in the community and mentored families. Additionally, he hired minorities during a time when NO ONE else would.
I lived in NYC during the Crown Heights nightmare. I remember the street talk in the city and on the subway. It wasn't pretty.
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Post by BuckeyeSandy on Aug 19, 2014 16:39:13 GMT
This is an incident that has become totally out of control. There is no "innocent" party among the protagonists, and the leading actors do not have clean hands. There are too many that are attempting (some successfully) to co-op a tragic situation into something larger. The truth is that there are too many young people unemployed, too many young men disconnected from society, too many parents absent, and too many people that would rather "toss money on a bonfire" than get involved, their hands dirty and make a difference. Where were the protests of this scale for McKenzie Elliott (age 3) from Roland Park (Baltimore MD), or Tynirah Borum (age 3) from Grays Ferry (Philadelphia PA), or Knijah Bibb (age 3) from Landover (Prince Georges County) MD?
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Post by gossamer on Aug 19, 2014 16:40:19 GMT
I have no problem with the public wanting answers. Calmly protesting is one thing, looting makes them common criminals and should be arrested.
I think everyone would agree that Michael Brown should have been arrested for stealing.
IF.. Michael resisted arrest, like he did with the shop owner, and started shoving.. then the policeman would draw his gun. And the policeman would have the right to protect his own life. BUT, IF the cop was really trying to kill Michael, why so many shots in the opposite arm, away from the heart?
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Post by gossamer on Aug 19, 2014 16:55:31 GMT
Why do you think this is so? And by the way, Michael Brown is the VICTIM and the cop who shot him is innocent until found guilty. Do you believe it was Michael Brown stealing and pushing the shop owner?
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Post by lorieann13 on Aug 19, 2014 16:57:45 GMT
I saw a news post that the officer suffered an orbital blow out (all bones surrounding eye were fractured) and that now they are saying all shots entered the front.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2014 17:07:10 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2014 17:07:53 GMT
I saw a news post that the officer suffered an orbital blow out (all bones surrounding eye were fractured) and that now they are saying all shots entered the front. Where did you see this? I have seen nothing stating this at all...except biased blog posts with no facts to back it up. Thanks.
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Post by *KatyCupcake* on Aug 19, 2014 17:13:56 GMT
I know lizandjuan has me on ignore (at least she promised she would), but her last two statements are contradictory. She said Brown is a victim and the officer is innocent until found guilty. The she said Brown is a murder victim. That means she sees the cop as a racist murderer. Which is it? Innocent until proven guilty, or guilty of murder without a complete investigation and trial?
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Aug 19, 2014 17:17:34 GMT
I saw a news post that the officer suffered an orbital blow out (all bones surrounding eye were fractured) and that now they are saying all shots entered the front. Where did you see this? I have seen nothing stating this at all...except biased blog posts with no facts to back it up. Thanks. I heard on CNN that the officer did go to the hospital. Has the hospital report been released? I'd be interested in a link too. Thanks.
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Post by 2peaornot2pea on Aug 19, 2014 17:53:34 GMT
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Post by Darcy Collins on Aug 19, 2014 17:56:45 GMT
Your link states that a customer reported the theft as opposed to the store itself. Not sure who reporting the theft deserves so many exclamation points, perhaps you can expand.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2014 17:58:55 GMT
Your link states that a customer reported the theft as opposed to the store itself. Not sure who reporting the theft deserves so many exclamation points, perhaps you can expand. Exactly. I think someone may have been looking for a GOTCHA. It doesn't matter who called 911 to report the theft...the fact is, the theft happened and a call was made. I don't really think it matters whether or not it was a store employee or a customer, or the man on the moon.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2014 18:00:32 GMT
There is a gunshot wound in Michael Brown's arm that appears to have entered back-to-front, per the medical examiner and forensic pathologist, which would be consistent with the three initial eyewitness statements that Brown appeared to have been shot from behind as he fled, before turning around to face the officer. Autopsy Press ConferenceDuring the press conference I saw with Baden, they also stated that while that shot on the arm could've come from the back, they also said it could've come from the front...if Brown had his arm up towards his head/face...in a "defensive" type posture. (which is consistent with other witnesses stating that Brown turned to face the officer and then charged at him)
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Post by 2peaornot2pea on Aug 19, 2014 18:07:14 GMT
Your link states that a customer reported the theft as opposed to the store itself. Not sure who reporting the theft deserves so many exclamation points, perhaps you can expand. I inserted exclamation points, to illustrate my exclaim! The store owner and the clerks WHO WERE THERE, did not think the event was significant enough to warrant a call to the police, yet many are using it as justification for the young man being shot to death in the streets. It demonstrates the Ferguson police acquired and released the video surveillance from the store to smear the victims character in an attempt to justify the deadly use of force. Brown was stopped for jaywalking, not for shoplifting.
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Post by katieanna on Aug 19, 2014 18:16:21 GMT
Your link states that a customer reported the theft as opposed to the store itself. Not sure who reporting the theft deserves so many exclamation points, perhaps you can expand. I inserted exclamation points, to illustrate my exclaim! The store owner and the clerks WHO WERE THERE, did not think the event was significant enough to warrant a call to the police, yet many are using it as justification for the young man being shot to death in the streets. It demonstrates the Ferguson police acquired and released the video surveillance from the store to smear the victims character in an attempt to justify the deadly use of force. Brown was stopped for jaywalking, not for shoplifting. Are you sure of that? Is that what is being reported? If so, WOW!
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Post by Darcy Collins on Aug 19, 2014 18:24:43 GMT
Your link states that a customer reported the theft as opposed to the store itself. Not sure who reporting the theft deserves so many exclamation points, perhaps you can expand. I inserted exclamation points, to illustrate my exclaim! The store owner and the clerks WHO WERE THERE, did not think the event was significant enough to warrant a call to the police, yet many are using it as justification for the young man being shot to death in the streets. It demonstrates the Ferguson police acquired and released the video surveillance from the store to smear the victims character in an attempt to justify the deadly use of force. Brown was stopped for jaywalking, not for shoplifting. You are going well beyond any facts in your link. The crime WAS reported - by a customer. I hope no one is justifying shooting anyone over shoplifting. It MAY be relevant in the escalation of the incident between the officer and Mr. Brown if as one of the reports of the officer hearing an APB about a suspect matching Mr. Brown's description DURING the confrontation. At the end of the day, the investigation will have to show that the officer had a genuine fear for his or other's safety in order to justify the use of lethal force - the rest immaterial. EDITED to add - I would read nothing into the clerk not first reporting the crime. The lawyer for the owners is clearly trying desperately to distance themselves from the entire mess and try and protect their business.
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Post by stittsygirl on Aug 19, 2014 18:31:12 GMT
There is a gunshot wound in Michael Brown's arm that appears to have entered back-to-front, per the medical examiner and forensic pathologist, which would be consistent with the three initial eyewitness statements that Brown appeared to have been shot from behind as he fled, before turning around to face the officer. Autopsy Press ConferenceDuring the press conference I saw with Baden, they also stated that while that shot on the arm could've come from the back, they also said it could've come from the front...if Brown had his arm up towards his head/face...in a "defensive" type posture. (which is consistent with other witnesses stating that Brown turned to face the officer and then charged at him) And... it also could have been a back-to-front shot, consistent with what the first three eyewitnesses testified to. So I suppose we'll wait until the other autopsy and ballistics reports are released, and see how closely they corroborate with any and all of the testimony given. Many though (across all the media I've been watching) were willing to write off the entire testimony of Brown's friend and the two young black women, who testified Brown jerked as if shot while running from the officer, when the initial report came out that the shots were only fired into the front of his body. No evidence or testimony can be written off at this point, obviously, but from what has been reported so far I personally continue to side with the initial witnesses, who sound more credible to me, and also have less to lose than officer Wilson and the Ferguson P.D. I'm just really grateful I'm not someone that has to either investigate or try this case.
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Post by Kelpea on Aug 19, 2014 18:31:35 GMT
Thus far, the sites I've discovered stating an "orbital blow" thingie were: thegatewaypundit.com freerepublic.com mrconservative.com godlikeproductions.com ALL reputable sites. NOT.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2014 18:43:55 GMT
I inserted exclamation points, to illustrate my exclaim! The store owner and the clerks WHO WERE THERE, did not think the event was significant enough to warrant a call to the police, yet many are using it as justification for the young man being shot to death in the streets. It demonstrates the Ferguson police acquired and released the video surveillance from the store to smear the victims character in an attempt to justify the deadly use of force. Brown was stopped for jaywalking, not for shoplifting. Are you sure of that? Is that what is being reported? If so, WOW! I'm sure it's just a total coincidence that they released that at the same time they released the officer's name, despite being told by DOJ to NOT release the video. They wanted to portray Michael Brown in the worst possible light so (white) people wouldn't care he was killed - he was just a thug who deserved it. It's the same kind of BS that happened after the Trayvon Martin shooting.
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Post by 2peaornot2pea on Aug 19, 2014 18:45:43 GMT
I inserted exclamation points, to illustrate my exclaim! The store owner and the clerks WHO WERE THERE, did not think the event was significant enough to warrant a call to the police, yet many are using it as justification for the young man being shot to death in the streets. It demonstrates the Ferguson police acquired and released the video surveillance from the store to smear the victims character in an attempt to justify the deadly use of force. Brown was stopped for jaywalking, not for shoplifting. Are you sure of that? Is that what is being reported? If so, WOW!
The video will be inadmissible in court. So why release it? The police were retroactively trying to justify Brown’s death.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2014 19:03:30 GMT
Thus far, the sites I've discovered stating an "orbital blow" thingie were: thegatewaypundit.com freerepublic.com mrconservative.com godlikeproductions.com ALL reputable sites. NOT. Exactly. No news stations are reporting it. In fact the only one with the "story" is the gateway pundit. The rest are just copying theirs. And in it they say they hit the news from a source that is not named. Yeah not exactly factual or news. More like baiting BS.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Aug 19, 2014 19:06:57 GMT
Your link states that a customer reported the theft as opposed to the store itself. Not sure who reporting the theft deserves so many exclamation points, perhaps you can expand. I inserted exclamation points, to illustrate my exclaim! The store owner and the clerks WHO WERE THERE, did not think the event was significant enough to warrant a call to the police, yet many are using it as justification for the young man being shot to death in the streets. It demonstrates the Ferguson police acquired and released the video surveillance from the store to smear the victims character in an attempt to justify the deadly use of force. Brown was stopped for jaywalking, not for shoplifting. See, I wouldn't necessarily interpret it that way. It may be that the store doesn't make it a habit of reporting shoplifting because it's afraid of retaliation either physical or economic. The fact is that the store was robbed and the crime was reported. What makes it particularly sad is that it sounds like the store would have never pressed charges.
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Post by ginacivey on Aug 19, 2014 19:07:38 GMT
has the national news reported the last stl shooting? Another officer involved shootingthis protestor accosted a police officer with a knife ended up shot - and dead ferguson is devolving - why don't you spend your time praying/hoping for peace rather than arguing amongst yourselves gina
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