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Post by PEArfect on Aug 16, 2014 21:08:34 GMT
I highly doubt the state police were called in to pull back the Ferguson PD. It's a standard operating procedure for state police to investigate when there is an officer involved shooting. If Ferguson PD is a small department I'm sure they also needed the state police to help control the looters and protestors. Crowd mentality can get really bad, really quick. If something like that happened in our area all city, county, and state PD's would be involved.
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Post by fkawitchypea on Aug 16, 2014 21:08:56 GMT
I totally agree with this. People have rushed to judgment in this case, as they always do.
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Post by PEArfect on Aug 16, 2014 21:16:08 GMT
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Post by *KatyCupcake* on Aug 16, 2014 21:16:40 GMT
And no matter what happened arresting, using rubber bullets and tear gassing members of the media and peaceful protestors is not acceptable or right. The ferguson police acted way out of hand. And it makes me question them as a whole. And no matter what happened, robbing a store, resisting arrest, and assaulting a police officer is not acceptable or right. Brown acted way out of hand. And it makes me question his character as a whole. And no matter what happened, rioting, threatening specific communities based on race and economic status, looting, and stealing are not acceptable or right. The "protesters" acted way out of hand. And it makes me question their character as a whole. See, it kind of goes both ways.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2014 21:19:36 GMT
And no matter what happened arresting, using rubber bullets and tear gassing members of the media and peaceful protestors is not acceptable or right. The ferguson police acted way out of hand. And it makes me question them as a whole. And no matter what happened, robbing a store, resisting arrest, and assaulting a police officer is not acceptable or right. Brown acted way out of hand. And it makes me question his character as a whole. And no matter what happened, rioting, threatening specific communities based on race and economic status, looting, and stealing are not acceptable or right. The "protesters" acted way out of hand. And it makes me question their character as a whole. See, it kind of goes both ways. No it really doesn't because the media was directly affected and they did none of that. And if you see my other posts I clearly state looting and violent rioting is not right. I'm withholding judgement on Brown until the whole story comes out. But go on and think you "got me".
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Post by *KatyCupcake* on Aug 16, 2014 21:22:05 GMT
I wasn't trying to "get you" scrappower. Just saying the argument you were using for the police is the same argument that is valid for every side of this situation. But go on thinking anyone who quotes you is out to get you.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2014 21:23:01 GMT
I wasn't trying to "get you" scrappower. Just saying the argument you were using for the police is the same argument that is valid for every side of this situation. But go on thinking anyone who quotes you is out to get you. Lol you are hilarious. And I see what everyone else is saying. Your "voice" is insanely familiar.
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Post by azredhead on Aug 16, 2014 22:19:40 GMT
I feel for the store owners as well. The one lady that owned the hair saloon that was looted that says now the police aren't doing anything. They're damned if they do and damned if they don't. It started bad how do you fix that? The peaceful protests were even trying to stop the looters. I totally get the frustration and the anger and the peaceful protests. I'm fine with all that but violence on the innocent is not okay
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2014 22:32:04 GMT
I will repeat what I said on the other thread that people absolutely have a right to protest, but what they don't have a right to do is loot, shoot at police helicopters and throw molotov cocktails at officers. I don't care how mad you are or how terribly you think you have been wronged. I'm not exactly sure what the police are supposed to do when peaceful protest turns into violent and dangerous behavior. It really sucks that others have been caught in the line of fire so to speak, but until you have walked in the shoes of the law enforcement officers that were in the midst of the rioting, I think you (global you) should give the police a little latitude. Hell, the police even backed off last night and looting started again.
I am so sick of the media manipulating stories in the way this one seems to have been. The story in the beginning was this innocent black kid was shot down in cold blood which is a horrible thing. Now, the story seems to be that he wasn't all that innocent. He was suspected of strong armed robbery (a whole different ballgame than shoplifting, imo), and he, along with some of his buddies, assaulted a police officer who stopped to question them. Where is the truth? We have no idea right now, and I don't think we will ever know since emotions are running so high and it seems that no one wants to get to the truth. The truth doesn't sell newspapers. Bring in Big Al and his sidekick Jesse J, and now we have race riots on our hands. Disgusting.
At the end of the day, we have two lives that have been changed irrevocably. A young man who made bad choices and a police officer who reacted in a way that may or may not have been justified. One man is dead and the other will have to live with that for the rest of his life. And I disagree. The Ferguson police have been out of control. The governor had to call in the state troopers because of their horrific actions. I will not give them latitude for their actions. I am not a cop hater. Nor am I justifying looting or burglary. But they were doing things that should not be happening in the US. I agree with scrappower and I found that the statement that "a young man who made bad choices", yet the police officer "reacted in a way that may or may not have been justified" rather than the police officer making a bad choice also is indicative of the problem. Going in armed like this was a terrorist situation only make a bad situation worse. Haven't we learned anything from our past history? ETA: It was handled horribly wrong from the get-go. That police department should be ashamed of how they treat their community.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2014 22:49:53 GMT
I agree with scrappower and I found that the statement that "a young man who made bad choices", yet the police officer "reacted in a way that may or may not have been justified" rather than the police officer making a bad choice also is indicative of the problem. How can they say the officer made bad choices if the investigation hasn't been completed yet to know if he was justified or not?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2014 23:11:41 GMT
I agree with scrappower and I found that the statement that "a young man who made bad choices", yet the police officer "reacted in a way that may or may not have been justified" rather than the police officer making a bad choice also is indicative of the problem. How can they say the officer made bad choices if the investigation hasn't been completed yet to know if he was justified or not? Shooting an unarmed man tells me that he's wasn't trained very well, thus made a bad choice by shooting and killing him. Unarmed is the key word for me.
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Post by ginacivey on Aug 16, 2014 23:11:53 GMT
the highway patrol was brought in due to some questions about how the Ferguson PD was handling it...
they were criticized for wearing tactical gear and using tactical equipment
things looked good for about 24 hrs after the HP took over
they went to shit again last night
Gov Jay Nixon impossed a curfew in Fersuson (12-5 am) and declared a state of emergency
It's been reported mike brown was involved in a strong-arm burglary of a convenience store
the name of the police officer was released
and a local news station did a report right in front of the officer's home
the situation is crazy
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Aug 17, 2014 0:09:56 GMT
How can they say the officer made bad choices if the investigation hasn't been completed yet to know if he was justified or not? Shooting an unarmed man tells me that he's wasn't trained very well, thus made a bad choice by shooting and killing him. Unarmed is the key word for me. How did the officer know during the altercation he was unarmed?
btw, @iowa57girl are you Kristina?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2014 0:40:30 GMT
Of course! Didn't my avatar or name give it away? With my impending retirement looming, I haven't been around much because it's a time suck and the last thing I want to do is be online more than I already, but I just had to stop by tonight to see if my predictions on how a thread like this would go here were correct. Having a gun pointed at you might give you an idea. Well trained police officers don't just open fire without having a pretty good idea a suspect is armed. If they pull their weapons and fired every time they thought or suspected a suspect was armed, we'd be seeing a whole lot more of these shootings.
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Post by 2peaornot2pea on Aug 17, 2014 1:00:47 GMT
Shooting an unarmed man tells me that he's wasn't trained very well, thus made a bad choice by shooting and killing him. Unarmed is the key word for me. How did the officer know during the altercation he was unarmed? The officer claimed the teen tried to take his weapon. Why would an armed person try to take someone's weapon??
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Post by Dalai Mama on Aug 17, 2014 1:01:59 GMT
I'm curious what they were arresting him for since the officers arresting him didn't know about the robbery until later.
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Post by 2peaornot2pea on Aug 17, 2014 1:04:13 GMT
They stopped him for jaywalking. A crime punishable by death in Ferguson.
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Aug 17, 2014 1:05:26 GMT
Of course! Didn't my avatar or name give it away? With my impending retirement looming, I haven't been around much because it's a time suck and the last thing I want to do is be online more than I already, but I just had to stop by tonight to see if my predictions on how a thread like this would go here were correct. Having a gun pointed at you might give you an idea. Well trained police officers don't just open fire without having a pretty good idea a suspect is armed. If they pull their weapons and fired every time they thought or suspected a suspect was armed, we'd be seeing a whole lot more of these shootings.
You make it sound so simple and cut and dry. It isn't. I think this thread has been pretty civil and the general consensus is there are many unanswered questions and misinformation and it would be better not to rush to judgment. Sounds like you will have lots of time to shine up the crystal ball for future predictions. Best wishes for upcoming retirement.
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Aug 17, 2014 1:08:30 GMT
How did the officer know during the altercation he was unarmed? The officer claimed the teen tried to take his weapon. Why would an armed person try to take someone's weapon?? So many things have been reported that don't line up. Quite frankly I don't know what to believe.
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Post by *KatyCupcake* on Aug 17, 2014 1:10:25 GMT
I would think police aren't going to risk waiting until the gun is pointed at their face before making the choice to protect their own life. May you never ever have to be in a situation where you have to make a snap judgment call regarding self defense. In most situations if you wait until you're certain they have a gun pointed at you, it's already too late for you.
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Post by PEArfect on Aug 17, 2014 1:11:50 GMT
There is always more to the story.
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Post by ginacivey on Aug 17, 2014 1:17:14 GMT
that IS NOT mike brown...it was debunked days ago
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2014 1:18:21 GMT
They stopped him for jaywalking. A crime punishable by death in Ferguson. He wasn't shot for jaywalking. There was an altercation. After all the new information that's coming out, you're going to make such an inflammatory statement as if it were truth?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2014 1:22:08 GMT
I'm curious what they were arresting him for since the officers arresting him didn't know about the robbery until later. According to this CNN article : "Jackson told reporters Friday afternoon that Wilson didn't stop the young man because he was suspected in the recent robbery, but because he was "walking down the middle of the street blocking traffic." After that, there was an altercation. It's not clear exactly what happened, which is why other agencies are investigating.
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Post by ginacivey on Aug 17, 2014 1:22:26 GMT
i am bombarded by this news event
it's all that is on the news newspaper, water cooler gossip
NO ONE knows what happened..exactly
don't crucify either Mike Brown or Darren Wilson
as with any investigation - i am sure the FBI has details that we are not privy to
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Post by ginacivey on Aug 17, 2014 1:23:26 GMT
darren wilson -- according to his report -- asked the two young men to stop walking in the street
they weren't crossing a street
they were walking down the middle of it
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Post by 2peaornot2pea on Aug 17, 2014 1:26:31 GMT
jay·walk
/ˈjāˌwôk/
verb North American
gerund or present participle: jaywalking
cross or walk in the street or road unlawfully or without regard for approaching traffic.
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Post by 2peaornot2pea on Aug 17, 2014 1:32:05 GMT
An unarmed kid, was stopped for JAYWALKING and is now dead. He was first shot while fleeing from the officer and was shot again WHILE HOLDING UP HIS ARMS, which is the universal symbol for surrender. Multiple eye witnesses saw him surrendering and is one of the many reasons the community is so outraged.
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Post by ComplicatedLady on Aug 17, 2014 1:41:22 GMT
NO ONE knows what happened..exactlydon't crucify either Mike Brown or Darren Wilson as with any investigation - i am sure the FBI has details that we are not privy to I think this is where I'm standing. I don't know WTH is going on. I do know that the Ferguson situation is scary, at least it is to me. I don't like when unarmed people are killed. I don't like that there are still racial issues in America. I don't like that police officers have to kill people at times. I don't like that there are times when police officers are wrong. I don't like this whole situation. I'm thankful I don't live in Ferguson (although I do realize something like this could happen anywhere). As an American, I hope this gets cleared up soon. I also hope no one else is hurt or killed.
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Post by pierogi on Aug 17, 2014 1:47:28 GMT
There is always more to the story. That is not Michael Brown. It doesn't even remotely look like Michael Brown. Shoplifting doesn't merit death. The only person with the "grab the gun" story is the cop. Who didn't file an incident report, and has left town. At least two witnesses outside of Brown's buddy have come forward. He was running away when the first two shots were fired.
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