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Post by jennifercw on Aug 16, 2014 0:34:00 GMT
In the intersection pictured below - both cars have a green light and are approaching intersection at the same time. Car A is turning left. Car B is turning right but has a yield sign - which car has right-of-way?  |
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Post by SabrinaP on Aug 16, 2014 0:35:45 GMT
There is a yield sign and a stop light? Never seen that before.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2014 0:35:55 GMT
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Post by ChicagoKTS on Aug 16, 2014 0:36:48 GMT
I believe B is supposed to do what the sign says. . . Yield to any other traffic.
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Post by IPeaFreely on Aug 16, 2014 0:37:33 GMT
I think Car A should have the Yield sign. I think Car B should have the right of way. Car A is crossing traffic and should yield.
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Post by chaosisapony on Aug 16, 2014 0:43:42 GMT
Car A should have the yield sign since they are crossing traffic. But since they don't... I dunno I have never seen an intersection like that.
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Post by marianne on Aug 16, 2014 0:44:03 GMT
I think Car A should have the Yield sign. I think Car B should have the right of way. Car A is crossing traffic and should yield.  at least that's the way they taught it here in MD. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2014 0:45:51 GMT
We just had a HUGE discussion on our Sheriff's dept FB page about this.
I think it's crazy stupid that a car turning LEFT on GREEN has the right of way over a car turning RIGHT on GREEN.
But it is true. At least in GA, the left turning vehicle has the right of way because of that yield sign.
What's even more confusing is when there's not even a signal...and a car turning right still has to yield to a car turning left.
People in my county are UP IN ARMS about all of these yield signs that make no sense. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2014 0:46:59 GMT
Even though everything I've ever been taught about traffic says A should have to yeild because it is crossing traffic the final rule is each driver must follow the signs posted to its lane. Therefore in THIS case B has the yield so it must yield.
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Post by AussieMeg on Aug 16, 2014 0:47:11 GMT
Y'all are driving on the wrong side of the road!! 
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Post by bc2ca on Aug 16, 2014 0:48:05 GMT
In the normal circumstances, If there is no left turn light at the intersection, car A can only make a left turn if the intersection is clear, so I would give Car B right of way.
How many lanes are they turning into? Technically they can both turn, if they are turning onto a road with 2 lanes on that side as long as each stays in the correct lane.
I have never seen a yield and a traffic light controling the same intersection, especially because they are giving contradicting information.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2014 0:49:22 GMT
We just had a HUGE discussion on our Sheriff's dept FB page about this.
I think it's crazy stupid that a car turning LEFT on GREEN has the right of way over a car turning RIGHT on GREEN.
But it is true. At least in GA, the left turning vehicle has the right of way because of that yield sign.
What's even more confusing is when there's not even a signal...and a car turning right still has to yield to a car turning left.
People in my county are UP IN ARMS about all of these yield signs that make no sense. Is it because once the light is red the car turning right can still turn but the car turning left can't turn until the light is green again? that could cause traffic in that lane to back up more than there is room for. While it does violate some long held right of way there may be traffic pattern issues at play. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2014 0:51:37 GMT
The county may need to fork out the money to replace the light with one that has arrows and a No right on red if people turning right is blocking intersections so no one can turn left coming from the other direction. (I've run into that recently)
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Post by JustTricia on Aug 16, 2014 0:52:30 GMT
If this is your first time at that intersection, as Car A are you supposed to look across the intersection, see the back of the yield sign (hoping there's no posts or anything else interfering) and know you have the right of way? Seems an odd thing.
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Post by jennifercw on Aug 16, 2014 0:54:14 GMT
[HASH]GaJenny - yep, we live in the same county... that FB discussion is what prompted this post!
I think yield signs here causes confusion because their use at signaled intersections is so inconsistent. Some intersections have them and some don't. Which means that drivers turning left don't ever really know if the cars turning right are going to yield or not. And sometimes drivers turning left *assume* the driver turning right will yield, when there isn't actually a yield sign present, meaning the right-hand turner is not required to yield. It's kind of scary when you're turning right on a green light with no yield sign and the car from across the intersection just comes right at you!
Also, it's been a while since I've taken driver's ed but I could have sworn we were taught that when making a left hand turn, you must yield right of way to all other traffic.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2014 0:57:56 GMT
We just had a HUGE discussion on our Sheriff's dept FB page about this.
I think it's crazy stupid that a car turning LEFT on GREEN has the right of way over a car turning RIGHT on GREEN.
But it is true. At least in GA, the left turning vehicle has the right of way because of that yield sign.
What's even more confusing is when there's not even a signal...and a car turning right still has to yield to a car turning left.
People in my county are UP IN ARMS about all of these yield signs that make no sense. Is it because once the light is red the car turning right can still turn but the car turning left can't turn until the light is green again? that could cause traffic in that lane to back up more than there is room for. While it does violate some long held right of way there may be traffic pattern issues at play. But there are ways to solve traffic backing up that don't involve being in direct contradiction to everything we were taught when we learned how to drive. LOL
But seriously...Last year I was in contact with an upper level man at the GA DOT and of the 3 problems I gave to him (and one 2 problems were State roads...the third problem was a county road that he has no control over) he fixed both of the state road issues. One was resolved by simply adding a left turn arrow to an existing light. (Shiloh Rd/Majors Rd/Hwy 9 intersection for anyone local) One was resolved by adding those barriers installed in the asphalt to keep people out of an area they should not have been in. (and the SOLID LINES painted on the asphalt...indicating that was not a lane and not to be used didn't keep people off of it...that is located at Ronald Reagan Pkwy/141)
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Post by jennifercw on Aug 16, 2014 0:58:02 GMT
If this is your first time at that intersection, as Car A are you supposed to look across the intersection, see the back of the yield sign (hoping there's no posts or anything else interfering) and know you have the right of way? Seems an odd thing. exactly! In the normal circumstances, If there is no left turn light at the intersection, car A can only make a left turn if the intersection is clear, so I would give Car B right of way. How many lanes are they turning into? Technically they can both turn, if they are turning onto a road with 2 lanes on that side as long as each stays in the correct lane. I have never seen a yield and a traffic light controling the same intersection, especially because they are giving contradicting information. Nope, many times the cars are turning into a single lane. It is weird, isn't it? I've never really given it too much thought, but I have a dd with a learner's permit now so.... |
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Post by melanell on Aug 16, 2014 0:58:47 GMT
Definitely B. We have set ups like that several places around here. It's typically to allow people to turn right on red, except for when there is a left turn arrow for the opposing traffic. When they have their arrow, you can't have opposing cars cutting them off, therefore opposing traffic has the yield. We are so used to Right turn on red around here, that even with signs saying "No right turn on red", people would still do it, which was very dangerous in these situations. So for us, here, we seem to do better with the yield signs. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2014 1:01:59 GMT
[HASH]GaJenny - yep, we live in the same county... that FB discussion is what prompted this post! I think yield signs here causes confusion because their use at signaled intersections is so inconsistent. Some intersections have them and some don't. Which means that drivers turning left don't ever really know if the cars turning right are going to yield or not. And sometimes drivers turning left *assume* the driver turning right will yield, when there isn't actually a yield sign present, meaning the right-hand turner is not required to yield. It's kind of scary when you're turning right on a green light with no yield sign and the car from across the intersection just comes right at you! Also, it's been a while since I've taken driver's ed but I could have sworn we were taught that when making a left hand turn, you must yield right of way to all other traffic. I agree...it's crazy. There's enough to worry about when driving than looking at the opposite side of the road and try to identify the back of a yield sign. In regard to the issues I mentioned...GDOT was a DREAM to communicate with...FoCo on the other hand...they're idiots. It is no wonder FoCo roads are so bad because the boobs they have running the department.
Don't fix problems...just put up random yield signs to just add to the mass confusion and risk.
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Post by jennifercw on Aug 16, 2014 1:06:13 GMT
But seriously...Last year I was in contact with an upper level man at the GA DOT and of the 3 problems I gave to him (and one 2 problems were State roads...the third problem was a county road that he has no control over) he fixed both of the state road issues. One was resolved by simply adding a left turn arrow to an existing light. (Shiloh Rd/Majors Rd/Hwy 9 intersection for anyone local)
I don't usually like to "advertise" my location but have to say I LOVE the addition of the left hand arrow at that intersection - we use that cut through to avoid the construction mess at 141/9. Can you get your upper level DOT guy to add a yellow blinking arrow to the left hand turn from 53 onto 306?  (please no one stalk me now...)  |
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Post by renateb on Aug 16, 2014 1:09:13 GMT
Count GA out as a state I would retire to. I'll be a crazy old driver and then the rules will change. I'd be an accident waiting to happen.
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Post by msliz on Aug 16, 2014 1:13:48 GMT
There's a large intersection like that near my grocery store.
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Post by *leslie* on Aug 16, 2014 1:16:22 GMT
We have this type of intersection in our small town. The right turn is its own lane and there is a triangle shaped island between the right lane and the lane going straight.
My answer is Car A has the right of way.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2014 1:16:48 GMT
I'm glad that left arrow is beneficial. As you know, before that arrow was installed, ONE car could get through per light cycle...and that's only if they either floored it and went through before the oncoming traffic from Majors OR if they pulled out and sat in the middle of the intersection as the light turned yellow. Crazy.
I won't email him about your intersection...since it's not really my neck of the woods and don't know the details of the problems LOL...but I'll send you his name and email address.
I joked with him that he was now on my Christmas card list.
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Post by bc2ca on Aug 16, 2014 1:25:34 GMT
Having a left turn arrow is a completely different situation - Car A and B both have a green light in this situation.
We have so many right and left turn green arrows around here, that DD with learner's permit didn't want to make a legal left turn on a green light (no oncoming traffic, but there wasn't a turn arrow at this intersection). The cars behind us let her know mama was right, she needed to make the turn.
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Post by jennifercw on Aug 16, 2014 1:31:24 GMT
I'm glad that left arrow is beneficial. As you know, before that arrow was installed, ONE car could get through per light cycle...and that's only if they either floored it and went through before the oncoming traffic from Majors OR if they pulled out and sat in the middle of the intersection as the light turned yellow. Crazy. I won't email him about your intersection...since it's not really my neck of the woods and don't know the details of the problems LOL...but I'll send you his name and email address. I joked with him that he was now on my Christmas card list. Yep, one car could get through - maybe. It's much better now. Was that intersection so crazy even before the 141/9 construction? And thanks for the contact information! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2014 1:38:57 GMT
That intersection has been bad for many years. My third area of concern is also in that same vicinity...Majors dead ends into Shiloh. Turn right on Shiloh, cross Hwy 9 and you're back on Majors. Turn left onto Shiloh and you're on Shiloh. There's no light here. With the constant traffic back up on all roads, turning left, with little visibility (because there are so many cars standing still) is dangerous. While looking through my emails to get the contact info for you, I was reminded why I hate the FoCo traffic engineers. Two different men told me to avoid the area and find an alternate route. Seriously? That's the solution?
(just looked at your intersection...we go through there when we drive to Texas Roadhouse)
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Post by wandawoman on Aug 16, 2014 1:44:48 GMT
We have some intersections like that, but without the light. I always double check before turning (A) because some people (B) do yield and some just ignore it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2014 1:50:39 GMT
There's another intersection I drive daily with no light where I have a yield turning right and the oncoming car turning left in front of me has the right of way. Unfortunately, I'd say 95% of the drivers turning left aren't aware of it and when I stop to allow them to turn, they don't move. I talk about it with the kids every day. LOL
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Post by myshelly on Aug 16, 2014 1:54:18 GMT
We have lots of intersections like that here.
Car A has the right of way.
The car with the yield sign has to yield to everyone else.
The yield sign trumps the normal rule of right turn having right of way over left turn.
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at least that's the way they taught it here in MD.
