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Post by hollymolly on Feb 14, 2017 16:24:02 GMT
According to Rogue POTUS Staff, he was put on a Twitter time-out.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2017 16:24:08 GMT
Excellent WAPO summary. www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/daily-202/2017/02/14/daily-202-10-unanswered-questions-after-michael-flynn-s-resignation/58a25127e9b69b1406c75cb0/Bonus points, new way to say "I lied" = "Because of the fast pace of events, I inadvertently briefed the Vice President Elect and others with incomplete information regarding my phone calls" ETA: What else would you expect from a group of people whose world view is all about competing vs. cooperating. "Former officials with deep knowledge of the presidency describe Trump’s White House staff as top-heavy, with five or six power centers and little vertical structure. ‘ The desire to be a big shot is overrunning any sense of team,’ says one experienced Republican. ‘This will cause terrible dysfunction, distraction, disloyalty and leaks.’”
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Post by gardengoddess on Feb 14, 2017 16:38:05 GMT
I'm encouraged the Trump was educated and comprehended the theory of "plausible deniability" ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) I have a feeling that he's going to play that card A LOT.
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Post by pyccku on Feb 14, 2017 16:45:25 GMT
And the Russian media is freaking out over it, it's an огромная сделка over there. What's their take on it? Well, the official story on RT is that it's our business, an internal affair. But they are also making it out to be a sign that the US is paranoid and anti-Russian, for no reason at all. Some of them have retracted/toned down their original defense of Flynn, probably after being told to do so. apnews.com/e225aaea0ff540d883e5f6e5fd62c43f
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Post by imsirius on Feb 14, 2017 16:53:48 GMT
Internal implosion has begun. Too many egos in one small space. We can only hope....maybe the biggest ego will be the hardest to fall. ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png)
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Post by cade387 on Feb 14, 2017 17:29:46 GMT
I'm hoping with the fact that BOTH Trump and Pence were involved that this would impact them both, and not just Congress trying to get Pence in a back door.
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Post by flute4peace on Feb 14, 2017 17:31:21 GMT
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Post by PLurker on Feb 14, 2017 17:45:27 GMT
Wow, he's credible. We should all just let it go and move on. NOT. and good for Cuomo for saying "100% chance." of not happening.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2017 17:45:49 GMT
www.nydailynews.com/opinion/seriousness-michael-flynn-sin-article-1.2972165" When you apply for a top-secret clearance, particularly one allowing access to Sensitive Compartmented Information, the most important thing is that you not lie. The adjudicators who bestow clearances can forgive all kinds of sins. For the military and CIA, your past doesn’t matter much. They prefer clean candidates, naturally, and they look askance at blood crimes. But even something like a DUI is not necessarily a disqualifier — as long as you do not lie. There are two reasons for that. First, spies are given tremendous power. They have the ability to surveill Americans, pass under fake names and commit crimes without repercussion. They must have a strong sense of integrity not to abuse that power - not to be angels, necessarily, but to remain wholly accountable to their bosses. Spies from Russia, China, Iran — heck, spies from France — deal in blackmail like currency. Once they have know that someone with access to classified information has lied, they put the screws on and make demands. And at that point the intelligence community has an enemy agent in its midst."
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Post by imkat on Feb 14, 2017 19:09:09 GMT
1. Where is Jason Chaffetz in all of this? If we can spend millions investigating Benghazi repeatedly, we can look further into this.
2. I have been somewhat comforted by the carryover personnel and activities from the prior administration. But what happens when these agencies we rely on to tell the truth and do the right thing are being run by the evil idiots Trump has nominated? Would Jeff Sessions take the same actions as the previous DOJ?
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Post by peano on Feb 14, 2017 19:33:09 GMT
It's a very "interesting" world Collins lives in. I love that Chris Cuomo called him on his bullshit. Note to self: add him to my list of cowardly and pathetic politicians for whom I will find out when re-election time is and donate to his opponent.
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Post by lizacreates on Feb 14, 2017 22:05:13 GMT
Paul Manafort, Carter Page, Rex Tillerson, Roger Stone, Wilbur Ross, Michael Flynn. How many more will surface as beholden to Russia? Collins must be one can short of a six-pack if he thinks America should just move on.
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Post by micheley on Feb 14, 2017 22:07:53 GMT
Did they want Pence out of the loop to protect him? This story just gets stranger and stranger.
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Post by gardengoddess on Feb 14, 2017 22:10:48 GMT
Just as a previous poster has already said, if the GOP Congress can spend 5 MILLION dollars on multiple committees investigating Benghazi and emails including an 11 hour testimony, then I sure as fuck want to some oversight on not only a National Security Advisor and his conversations with the Russians that were bad enough to have him resign or have his resignation requested, I want to know when our POTUS and VPOTUS knew about it those conversations AND I want some oversight over that clusterfuck YEMEN!!!! where not only did we lose a American serviceman but where civilian CHILDREN were killed and our clown of a POTUS is claiming it a success. PBS - Committe tops 5 Million
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Post by papersilly on Feb 14, 2017 22:12:49 GMT
i think this is a hint of things to come with staffers. i think they will find that working for Trump will be far more stressful than they imagined. white house jobs are stressful enough by nature because of the constant activity but when you deal with an administration who has a loose relationship with ethics and the truth, the jobs get even worse.
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Post by mollycoddle on Feb 14, 2017 22:13:17 GMT
1. Where is Jason Chaffetz in all of this? If we can spend millions investigating Benghazi repeatedly, we can look further into this. 2. I have been somewhat comforted by the carryover personnel and activities from the prior administration. But what happens when these agencies we rely on to tell the truth and do the right thing are being run by the evil idiots Trump has nominated? Would Jeff Sessions take the same actions as the previous DOJ? This mentions Chaffetz: nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/02/3-ways-republicans-are-dodging-the-flynn-scandal.html3. Leave Trump alooooone. Republicans insist they do not support any probe of Flynn’s actions or what Trump may have known. “It’s taking care of itself,” insists House Oversight Committee chairman Jason Chaffetz. What about House Speaker Paul Ryan? Ryan is known for his fanatical belief in informational security. The Speaker once held such strong views on classified information that he demanded Hillary Clinton be denied access to classified briefings during the campaign because she had shown, by using a private email server, she could not be trusted with the nation’s secrets. “The consequences for the safety of our nation are grave,” he wrote solemnly. “Clinton’s actions may have allowed our enemies to access intelligence vital to our national security.” Ryan has learned from that episode to be far less judgmental. And now today, even the prospect that Trump allowed intelligence to be exposed to a staffer whom he knew to be potentially vulnerable to Russian blackmail strikes him as unworthy of investigation. Today, Ryan said, “I’m not going to prejudge the circumstances surrounding this.” And since Ryan is not forcing an investigation, he won’t post-judge, either. No prejudging, no post-judging, no judging of any kind, just moving on.
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Post by annaintx on Feb 14, 2017 22:23:31 GMT
This is so unreal to me, this whole thing. I checked The Moscow Times, which is a paper in Moscow Russia aimed at expats. I read it religiously when I lived there a long time ago. I always thought it was pretty truthful and covered a lot of world news. This is their main news story on their webpage right now, and they report "Russian official reactions were angry and bitter. Lawmakers, politicians and state television condemned the sidelining of Flynn as an anti-Russian move. Konstantin Kosachev, the head of the foreign affairs committee in the upper house of the Russian parliament, wrote that 'Russophobia had permeated the White House.'" You can find the whole article here at The Moscow Times webpage.
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Post by rodeomom on Feb 14, 2017 22:48:38 GMT
And Fox News is focusing on the leak!!
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Post by elaine on Feb 14, 2017 22:50:45 GMT
And Fox News is focusing on the leak!! I'm 123.98% surprised!
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Post by used2scrap on Feb 14, 2017 22:51:01 GMT
And Fox News is focusing on the leak!! Like a cheating spouse who deflects about "invasion of privacy" when they are caught.
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Post by pyccku on Feb 14, 2017 22:54:58 GMT
This is so unreal to me, this whole thing. I checked The Moscow Times, which is a paper in Moscow Russia aimed at expats. I read it religiously when I lived there a long time ago. I always thought it was pretty truthful and covered a lot of world news. This is their main news story on their webpage right now, and they report "Russian official reactions were angry and bitter. Lawmakers, politicians and state television condemned the sidelining of Flynn as an anti-Russian move. Konstantin Kosachev, the head of the foreign affairs committee in the upper house of the Russian parliament, wrote that 'Russophobia had permeated the White House.'" You can find the whole article here at The Moscow Times webpage.Isn't it crazy? Could most Americans name even ONE Russian cabinet member? Probably not. Do our politicians or TV stations make comments about who gets appointed to the Russian cabinet? Nope. Most of the time, things are viewed as internal things that don't really affect other nations too much (other than maybe SOS). The Russians are REALLY riled up about Flynn. Why this particular appointment? Why such anger? Sputnik has been reporting that Obama set up a "shadow government" before he left, and this is their doing - to undermine the legitimate Trump government. Flynn did nothing wrong, Pence did nothing wrong, Trump did nothing wrong - it's all the work of Obama's evil shadow government. Save
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Post by rodeomom on Feb 14, 2017 23:09:56 GMT
Well shit, that "shadow government" will be what Trump supporters will latch on to. I'll bet we will be hearing about it all over facebook any minute now. Hell, I'll bet Trump will be tweeting about. ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png)
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Post by mimima on Feb 14, 2017 23:14:15 GMT
Well shit, that "shadow government" will be what Trump supporters will latch on to. I'll bet we will be hearing about it all over facebook any minute now. Hell, I'll bet Trump will be tweeting about. ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) Interestingly, I just heard on Facebook that Sean Hannity is pushing this theory.
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Post by lizacreates on Feb 14, 2017 23:18:34 GMT
1. Where is Jason Chaffetz in all of this? If we can spend millions investigating Benghazi repeatedly, we can look further into this. This mentions Chaffetz: nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/02/3-ways-republicans-are-dodging-the-flynn-scandal.html3. Leave Trump alooooone. Republicans insist they do not support any probe of Flynn’s actions or what Trump may have known. “It’s taking care of itself,” insists House Oversight Committee chairman Jason Chaffetz. It’s been said that Chaffetz investigated practically every Obama issue except the White House dinner menu. However, when prompted by the ethics office to investigate Trump’s conflicts of interest his response was to instead investigate the ethics office. Remember when he said he wouldn’t endorse Trump after seeing the Access Hollywood tape? Said he couldn’t look his teen daughter in the eyes if he did that? And then voted for Trump. He’s just another Trump lapdog.
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Post by mollycoddle on Feb 14, 2017 23:29:13 GMT
It’s been said that Chaffetz investigated practically every Obama issue except the White House dinner menu. However, when prompted by the ethics office to investigate Trump’s conflicts of interest his response was to instead investigate the ethics office. Remember when he said he wouldn’t endorse Trump after seeing the Access Hollywood tape? Said he couldn’t look his teen daughter in the eyes if he did that? And then voted for Trump. He’s just another Trump lapdog. Oh, absolutely. I like the lapdog moniker! He thinks that he's a pit bull, but that's only when a Democrat is being investigated. Now that a Republican is in office, he's a Papillon.
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Post by mollycoddle on Feb 14, 2017 23:52:59 GMT
And here's Rand Paul on the topic:
Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) said Tuesday that he didn't think it would be "useful" to investigate conversations between former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn and a Russian ambassador that led to Flynn's resignation.
"I think that might be excessive," Paul said in an interview with "Kilmeade and Friends" first surfaced by CNN's KFILE.
Paul said that Republicans will "never even get started" with major policy changes like repealing Obamacare if they are focused on investigating their colleagues.
"I just don't think it's useful to be doing investigation after investigation, particularly of your own party. We'll never even get started with doing the things we need to do, like repealing Obamacare, if we're spending our whole time having Republicans investigate Republicans. I think it makes no sense," Paul said.
He said that President Donald Trump has apparently "handled the situation," unless there is further evidence of wrongdoing on Flynn's part.
"Unless there's some kind of other evidence of malfeasance, this sounds like something that was internal White House politics," Paul said.
Flynn resigned from his post late Monday, days after reports revealed that he spoke about sanctions with Sergey Kislyak, Russia's ambassador to the United States, on a call before Trump took office. This contradicted members of Trump's administration, including Vice President Mike Pence, who previously denied that Flynn and Kislyak discussed sanctions.
Sen. Roy Blunt (R-MO) told KTRS radio on Tuesday that the Senate Intelligence Committee should ask Flynn about his conversations with Kislyak.
"I think everybody needs that investigation to happen," he said. "I think that we should look into it exhaustively."
Speaking to reporters later Tuesday, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) said it is "highly likely" that the Senate Intelligence Committee will investigate Flynn.
"The Intelligence Committee is already looking at Russian involvement in our election," he said. "They have broad jurisdiction over the intel community writ large."
Yeah, it just isn't useful to investigate your own party.
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Post by PLurker on Feb 15, 2017 2:14:23 GMT
Didn't want to start a thread so I will leave this here:
(twitter) Dan Rather on Flynn: "Watergate is the biggest political scandal of my lifetime, until maybe now"
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Post by micheley on Feb 15, 2017 2:32:09 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2017 3:08:59 GMT
And here's Rand Paul on the topic: Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) said Tuesday that he didn't think it would be "useful" to investigate conversations between former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn and a Russian ambassador that led to Flynn's resignation. "I think that might be excessive," Paul said in an interview with "Kilmeade and Friends" first surfaced by CNN's KFILE. Paul said that Republicans will "never even get started" with major policy changes like repealing Obamacare if they are focused on investigating their colleagues. "I just don't think it's useful to be doing investigation after investigation, particularly of your own party. We'll never even get started with doing the things we need to do, like repealing Obamacare, if we're spending our whole time having Republicans investigate Republicans. I think it makes no sense," Paul said. He said that President Donald Trump has apparently "handled the situation," unless there is further evidence of wrongdoing on Flynn's part. "Unless there's some kind of other evidence of malfeasance, this sounds like something that was internal White House politics," Paul said. Flynn resigned from his post late Monday, days after reports revealed that he spoke about sanctions with Sergey Kislyak, Russia's ambassador to the United States, on a call before Trump took office. This contradicted members of Trump's administration, including Vice President Mike Pence, who previously denied that Flynn and Kislyak discussed sanctions. Sen. Roy Blunt (R-MO) told KTRS radio on Tuesday that the Senate Intelligence Committee should ask Flynn about his conversations with Kislyak. "I think everybody needs that investigation to happen," he said. "I think that we should look into it exhaustively." Speaking to reporters later Tuesday, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) said it is "highly likely" that the Senate Intelligence Committee will investigate Flynn. "The Intelligence Committee is already looking at Russian involvement in our election," he said. "They have broad jurisdiction over the intel community writ large." Yeah, it just isn't useful to investigate your own party. Establishment GOP is going to hold their noses until they get their wettest dreams of cutting Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and cutting rich people's taxes A LOT and middle-income taxes enough for cover. After that, they'll pull the rip cord on the trap door under Trump and feed him to the impeachment hounds.
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