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Post by Basket1lady on Aug 20, 2014 16:59:27 GMT
I attend a nondenominational Christian church. We have communion every week. Yes, we use grape juice and crackers. No, we do not think the juice and wafer turn into the blood and body of Christ, but we do see it as symbolic of that. It is not a time of communion with fellow church members, but a time for reflection on the life of Christ and his sacrifice for our sins. It is a very sacred part of our service. I'm certain you didn't mean to be offensive Basket1lady but referring to it as "snack time" seems a bit derogatory. While my church allows anyone who feels drawn to partake in communion to do just that, I understand that Catholic churches don't want non-Catholics to participate in their Holy Eucharist. I don't see that as an issue in the least. They can make any set of rules that they want. But to make it seem that other churches view communion as less sacred and just some church members coming together to share some juice and crackers and hang out with each other isn't accurate at all. At least not in my church. I know it's a horrible way to think, and I am sorry for the thought. And that's my point. That it DOESN'T seem sacred FOR ME. That's why I think we need to be careful about celebrating the Holy Eucharist with other faiths.
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Post by Country Ham on Aug 20, 2014 17:12:36 GMT
She and her ex baptized their child in a faith and promised to raise the child in that faith. The mother has every right to object to a change of plans, especially since she wasn't consulted about it. Well the parents of this child took wedding vows before God. They promised till death us do part. They are no longer married so they obviously are ok with going back on some oaths.
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Post by georgiapea on Aug 20, 2014 17:17:42 GMT
Maybe they weren't married in a Catholic Church. Maybe they were married by an officiant on a beach. I asked my couples if they wanted any God references in the ceremony and most did not.
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Post by I-95 on Aug 20, 2014 17:24:30 GMT
She and her ex baptized their child in a faith and promised to raise the child in that faith. The mother has every right to object to a change of plans, especially since she wasn't consulted about it. Well the parents of this child took wedding vows before God. They promised till death us do part. They are no longer married so they obviously are ok with going back on some oaths. Apparently the father does! But...this was a promised made before God about their child. The mother wants to hold up her end.
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Post by Country Ham on Aug 20, 2014 17:34:44 GMT
The mother wants to hold up her end. .. and I get that. But they made the choice to divorce (for what ever reason) and things simply are different. From the OP which I can't copy as a quote " She wants the child to attend her Christian church, since they have the child every weekend. The mother of the child is furious, yet never takes the child when she does have him." So obviously the bio mom does have the child on some Sundays. I am a person very very devoted to my faith. I couldn't imagine my child being exposed to other faith's teachings on a regular basis that I might consider error and detrimental to the salvation. (different then the occasional visit). If my husband and I were to divorce that's something that could happen though. When the child is with the mother it's her job to reinforce his catholic upbringing. Look at the books of Timothy. It was the grandmother and mother of young Timothy that Paul praises for Timothy's growth in the faith. Most catholic religious education occurs during the week. There are often Masses offered during the week. Some big areas have them in the evenings. Some Sunday evenings even for when the child comes back from the time with his dad. She still can uphold her end. ETA: If it's that important perhaps they can switch the custody arrangement. Dad gets the child during the week and mom gets the child on the weekends. Then she can raise him active in the Catholic Religion.
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Post by I-95 on Aug 20, 2014 17:48:41 GMT
Sillyrabbit, I don't think she meant it as derogatory at all. But as a Catholic, and comparing the way it is served, it just doesn't seem serious to us. I know the first time I ever saw trays being passed to congregants, I couldn't figure out what was going on. As the trays came closer I realized what it must symbolize, but I have to admit that my first thought was snack time. I don't mean to put down the way you take communion, but it's so very different from the way we do it. It's just one of those wow moments. I felt the same way the first time I was in a Methodist church and they had no kneelers.
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Post by I-95 on Aug 20, 2014 18:10:24 GMT
.. and I get that. But they made the choice to divorce (for what ever reason) and things simply are different. From the OP which I can't copy as a quote " She wants the child to attend her Christian church, since they have the child every weekend. The mother of the child is furious, yet never takes the child when she does have him." So obviously the bio mom does have the child on some Sundays. I am a person very very devoted to my faith. I couldn't imagine my child being exposed to other faith's teachings on a regular basis that I might consider error and detrimental to the salvation. (different then the occasional visit). If my husband and I were to divorce that's something that could happen though. When the child is with the mother it's her job to reinforce his catholic upbringing. Look at the books of Timothy. It was the grandmother and mother of young Timothy that Paul praises for Timothy's growth in the faith. Most catholic religious education occurs during the week. There are often Masses offered during the week. Some big areas have them in the evenings. Some Sunday evenings even for when the child comes back from the time with his dad. She still can uphold her end. ETA: If it's that important perhaps they can switch the custody arrangement. Dad gets the child during the week and mom gets the child on the weekends. Then she can raise him active in the Catholic Religion. The OP's quote says the dad has the child every weekend so it's not obvious that the mom has him some Sundays. Keep in mind the information we're getting is 3rd hand. The OP is reporting what her friend said about the bio-mom. My guess is the bio-mom and the new wife are not BFFs, so how would she know what the mom does with the child? I'm sure the child's parents will have to have a serious chat about how they're going to handle things from this point. This is one of those did-you-know moments.....but, did you know when you're talking about the Catholic religion, the word Catholic needs an uppercase C, catholic spelled with a lowercase c is just a word that means universal. It always confused me as a kid because in the Nicene Creed it says 'I believe in one holy catholic and apostolic church' I thought they were talking about the Holy Catholic church, nope, wrong again!
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Post by pierogi on Aug 20, 2014 18:38:59 GMT
Nobody's mentioned that if the parents were married in the Catholic church, barring an annulment their marriage still very much exists, civil divorce or no.
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Post by monklady123 on Aug 20, 2014 18:39:49 GMT
Sillyrabbit, I don't think she meant it as derogatory at all. But as a Catholic, and comparing the was it is served, it just doesn't seem serious to us. I know the first time I ever saw trays being passed to congregants, I couldn't figure out what was going on. As the trays came closer I realized what it must symbolize, but I have to admit that my first thought was snack time. I don't mean to put down the way you take communion, but it's so very different from the way we do it. It's just one of those wow moments. I felt the same way the first time I was in a Methodist church and they had no kneelers. Lol I-95, I remember the first time I ever went to a Catholic church. I was maybe 14 or 15...? And I remember when it came time to kneel I was . lol. Ack! God's Frozen Chosen (that's us Presbyterians), kneel??!! omg. At my Methodist seminary they had kneelers at the front on both sides of the chapel. A lot of people would kneel there after receiving communion. I always assumed that was Methodist, but maybe not? Maybe it was part of the seminary's efforts to be ecumenical. I don't know, since I've only attended an actual Methodist church one other time and I don't remember whether they had kneelers or not. The only time we ever kneel in the Presbyterian church, in a regular worship service I mean, is when someone is ordained as an elder or minister. The person being ordained kneels while all the other elders gather around.
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Post by I-95 on Aug 20, 2014 18:53:52 GMT
The Frozen Chosen....Bwahahahahahahaha. Love it!!
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Post by gypsymama on Aug 20, 2014 19:00:35 GMT
i'm really offended by the snotty attitude, that its "snack time" - y'all would have a huge fit if anyone said anything so disrespectful and rude about your practices!! and don't you see that the very heart of everything Jesus came here and died for was to get rid of all the silly man made rules and rote practices and holier than thou people?? i'll take my "everyone welcome" open communion "snack time" any day! i'm sorry to be so abrupt but my God!! if any of us said such things about Jews or Pagans or Catholics or whatever... we would be, pardon me, crucified! stop with teh double standards and stop acting like evangelical christianity isn't worthy of the same respect given to other faiths.
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Post by I-95 on Aug 20, 2014 19:18:14 GMT
i'm really offended by the snotty attitude, that its "snack time" - y'all would have a huge fit if anyone said anything so disrespectful and rude about your practices!! and don't you see that the very heart of everything Jesus came here and died for was to get rid of all the silly man made rules and rote practices and holier than thou people?? i'll take my "everyone welcome" open communion "snack time" any day! i'm sorry to be so abrupt but my God!! if any of us said such things about Jews or Pagans or Catholics or whatever... we would be, pardon me, crucified! stop with teh double standards and stop acting like evangelical christianity isn't worthy of the same respect given to other faiths. I'm always up for a good crucifixion! You can get all worked up and think that the remark was made with a snotty attitude if you like. But it wasn't, at least mine wasn't, it's just what went through my mind when I was in a church where I didn't know the practice. Read the rest of the thread, folks have said a lot of disrespectful things, but I think you're reacting to your interpretation of what you've read. Who's acting like Evangelical Christianity isn't getting the same respect other faiths do? I haven't seen anyone say anything bad about them. None of us is an expert on the religious practices of other who are posting here, we can only explain what our faith does. Is it bad if any of us finds something odd about the way another faith carries out a particular thing? I wouldn't be the least bit offended if you said 'I was at a Catholic service and when the Priest walked in with his flowing robes all I could think of was an outfit that someone on Project Runway designed' There are all kinds of quirks within churches, mentioning them doesn't necessarily equate to being intentionally offensive. A poster mentioned she was offended when Basketlady first made the snack time comment, and she apologized. Katy apologized for saying she'd throw her son a first communion.
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Post by pierogi on Aug 20, 2014 19:26:02 GMT
I remember so many jokes about Pope Benedict and his red Prada shoes.
Those were some shoes.
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Post by cycworker on Aug 20, 2014 19:45:44 GMT
Thank you momofkandn for taking the time to write out your post and express what I wasn't able to I think we are going to have to split the difference here monklady123. Having attended an Orthodox Church since getting married I didn't realize the Episcopalian Church had moved to open communion, so apologize for including "and confirmed" in my statement. I had to be both baptized and confirmed before taking my first communion, but that was a long time ago. They, and most mainline Protestant churches, do still require you to be baptized. Some mainline Protestant churches (some Lutheran, Calvinist) and the Orthodox church have closed communion requiring both baptism and confirmation to participate. And you are correct darcy Collins, the Catholic church does allow communion before confirmation I still stand by original statement that what cycworker said "And yes, rules be damned. I take communuion when I'm there." to be completely disrespectful of a church that she knows has closed communion. I'm sorry that message was lost. Well, the first time I didn't actually know it was closed communion. That said, yeah, I probably would have done it anyway, because yes, my relationship with and respect for Christ supersedes respecting religion or a particular institution like a church. Faith, for me, isn't about those things. I do what I feel God calling me to do. There have been times when I've not felt called to take communion at the Catholic church when I've been there, and times when I have. I am guided by the call of the Holy Spirit, not man made rules.
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Post by I-95 on Aug 20, 2014 21:15:50 GMT
Well aren't you special.
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Aug 20, 2014 21:21:16 GMT
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Post by Legacy Girl on Aug 20, 2014 21:51:03 GMT
No one has to "act like" it. It's unfortunately true, as evidenced by the fact that anyone would indicate that communion in the Evangelical church is "snack time."
While I don't understand the way Catholics handle the Eucharist/Communion, flippant comments about a practice that is so important to someone of that faith would be inappropriate. Obviously, for some, the respect doesn't go both ways.
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Post by Basket1lady on Aug 20, 2014 23:29:57 GMT
No one has to "act like" it. It's unfortunately true, as evidenced by the fact that anyone would indicate that communion in the Evangelical church is "snack time." While I don't understand the way Catholics handle the Eucharist/Communion, flippant comments about a practice that is so important to someone of that faith would be inappropriate. Obviously, for some, the respect doesn't go both ways. Legacy Girl, I'm sorry for the disrespectful thoughts. I didn't mean that it WAS a snack and I'm sorry that I made you feel that way. That's how it felt to me being served bread and wine 10 minutes into the service; I didn't understand what was going on. To "take one and pass it down"seemed very strange to me. And I apologized for it up thread. And I did state the quote above originally--that it doesn't mean that it's less faithful for your membership. The point I was trying to make was why it was important to not just take communion in another church because it's "between you and God." But because it doesn't mean the same thing to different congregations. And that's why The Church has closed communion. In The Church, if the bread and wine have been consecrated, they are treated just like the body and blood of Christ, because to us that's what it is. It's that holy. This is why if a host falls on the floor or wine is spilled, there are specific procedures that are followed. No crumbs fall on the floor for us to step on. No wine is spilled and no bread is left as crumbs in the pew. Can you imagine stepping on the body of Christ? For me as a Catholic, it's just as disrespectful to see comments like CYCworker made about Holy Communion being her decision as it is for me to think about communion for you being equated with a snack. The difference would be is that I know my thoughts were wrong, even at the time that I thought them. And I am sorry for the hurt feelings. I'm hoping that even if I only change one heart here by describing the sanctity of the Eucharist, I will have done some good. Just as I know how wrong I am to think of your communion as snack time. I'm actually really glad that you have described to me how meaningful communion is for you. A few pages ago, I stated that I believe man does not have the right to just our holiness or salvation; that I think God knows our hearts and judges us accordingly and I stand by that statement. And I genuinely hope that I have explained myself well. I truly wish you all the best.
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Post by mstubble on Aug 21, 2014 0:23:35 GMT
I know a guy who was raised Catholic. He married a Southern Baptist. When they were first married, they attended both her Southern Baptist church and his Catholic church. When they would attend his Catholic church, his wife was required to leave the service during communion. Because of this, he left the Catholic church and they found a non-denominational church to attend.
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Post by ginacivey on Aug 21, 2014 0:59:52 GMT
i find that hard to believe
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 1:07:42 GMT
I know a guy who was raised Catholic. He married a Southern Baptist. When they were first married, they attended both her Southern Baptist church and his Catholic church. When they would attend his Catholic church, his wife was required to leave the service during communion. Because of this, he left the Catholic church and they found a non-denominational church to attend. This is simply not true. Even this pagan (who was raised catholic) knows it isn't. He is giving you a line of bs.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Aug 21, 2014 1:19:08 GMT
i find that hard to believe That there's one crazy priest out there that doesn't follow the rules - eh - I've heard crazier. I also tend to take an account of what some people heard of their friends experience with a pretty big grain of salt.
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Post by Skypea on Aug 21, 2014 1:21:47 GMT
Skypea, I would respectfully suggest that you stay off that Catholic forum that you are on. I'm not sure it's the right place for you.
I suggest you do try it. It's a real eye opener. Much more so than all those yrs in Catholic schools - or even here reading what Catholic peas post.
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Post by Skypea on Aug 21, 2014 1:24:44 GMT
I know a guy who was raised Catholic. He married a Southern Baptist. When they were first married, they attended both her Southern Baptist church and his Catholic church. When they would attend his Catholic church, his wife was required to leave the service during communion. Because of this, he left the Catholic church and they found a non-denominational church to attend.
didn't you feel the tug on your leg?
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Post by oktrae on Aug 21, 2014 1:27:47 GMT
So if you don't want your child to go to church are you going to pick the child up and the them to brunch or re you going to insist the whole family or go? If the mother can't be bothered to take the child to church, it feels hypocritical to me for her to expect her now ex to do more for the religion of her choosing than she does.
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Post by *KatyCupcake* on Aug 21, 2014 1:34:57 GMT
Since the father has custody of the child on weekends, mom can't expect the family to never go to church or to leave half the family at home. That's unreasonable. Either mom and dad need to work out a different custody arrangement that allows her some Sundays to take him to Mass or be glad her son's father is investing in their child's spiritual upbringing and work together for a compromise. Seems like both parents need some work on their communication skills regarding the wellbeing of their son. I think this goes much deeper than simple denominational differences.
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Post by Tamhugh on Aug 21, 2014 1:37:55 GMT
When I attend services with extended family members at Lutheran and Catholic churches, I feel very unwelcome when it comes time for Communion/Eucharist. Katy, is your family MS Lutheran? I ask because we are ELCA and have open communion. I have a BIL that was Catholic until recently, an SIL that was raised Catholic but converted when she got married, and SIL who is Evangelical, and an SIL that was raised Methodist but never baptized. All of them take communion in our church and our parents' churches, except the Methodist SIL. She is just uncomfortable with the whole thing because her parents never had her do any of the religious milestones (they were different denominations and wanted her to choose for herself). As another note, we do consider communion a sacrament, along with baptism.
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Post by *KatyCupcake* on Aug 21, 2014 1:40:43 GMT
Yup! We have both WELS and MELS in our family. The uncle that baptized our son is ELS and apparently feels a little more wiggle room on the baptism thing.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Aug 21, 2014 1:58:51 GMT
Yikes. a 9 page thread, and the OP only responded 2xs, and gave very minimal info, but you guys sure ran with it!
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Post by *KatyCupcake* on Aug 21, 2014 2:01:15 GMT
A discussion about parenting, divorce, and faith will bring in a lot of perspectives and discussion.
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