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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2014 13:43:37 GMT
Think you know what they're doing with them? Yeah, so did I.
It's all water under the bridge now as she's 20 years old and going into her 3rd of college, but what I discovered yesterday really made me realize that I am an utterly clueless parent. I was *so* sure I was doing ALL the right things with regards to internet safety. Not.
I found one of her old phones. I was like "great! the boy needs a phone again (lost his old one) and this should work perfectly." So I charged it and started trying to clear things off of it for the hand off. Now she hasn't used this phone in 4 yrs or so. That makes her a Junior in high school. I learned, before I couldn't take anymore and shut it off, that she was skyping with some guy in *Serbia*. And she was gloating how clueless parents are with her best friend. See, they figured out that it was far easier to hide Skype activity. They were smart enough to know that sending pics could be discovered so that's why the move to Skype.
So, if your kid has a computer. And it has a camera? You might want rethink that. Don't be dumb and clueless like me.
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Post by TankTop on Aug 17, 2014 13:56:46 GMT
I am sure that was a shock.
I was very against smart phones for a long time. The. Dh pointed put that her school requires she has a laptop with built in camera with her all day. He argued that we can't keep her from technology. I still kicked and screamed into smartphone world, but in the end we decided we had to relent. We try to teach her about the dangers, show her news stories where the bad things happened, and check her activity as much as possible. In the end we just have to trust her. I have trust issues. Lol!
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Aug 17, 2014 14:06:42 GMT
He argued that we can't keep her from technology. I still kicked and screamed into smartphone world, but in the end we decided we had to relent. We try to teach her about the dangers, show her news stories where the bad things happened, and check her activity as much as possible. In the end we just have to trust her. That. Today's internet is yesterday's "bedroom window." When I was a teen, parents tried to make sure their kids were home and safe at night. I knew plenty who still managed to sneak out of bedroom windows and get into trouble.
You have to do what you can do, and at some point, you just have to trust that the lessons have taken root.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2014 14:09:09 GMT
That Canvas.net that many are using for the Laura Ingalls Wilder class is offering a Parenting in the Digital Age class too. My sister signed up for it. It is free. Just a thought for any that might like it.
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Post by Linda on Aug 17, 2014 14:10:33 GMT
I'm sorry - that must have been a difficult discovery.
My teen has a dumb phone (and is fine with that), an ipod touch (ancient handmedown) and a laptop. We've talked about dangers and being smart. She did a Netiquette badge with Girl Scouts in middle school that talked about dangers and being smart. But in the end, she's going to use technology and she's going to make mistakes - all we can do is educate her the best we can and be there to help pick up the pieces.
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Post by Kelpea on Aug 17, 2014 14:18:32 GMT
We pretty much know most of the apps that are skeery due to involvement with not only our own kids but also others' kids chatting us up. Also, parents around here talk and share. I believe Peabay referenced the new scary one recently; starts with a "K." Sure enough it was on my son's phone. Additionally, I have a fake Twitter account that lets me see what's going on without my kids knowing. I learned to do THAT when we folks were all talking one night and it was discovered that a lot of teens have multiple social media accounts. They were pretty easy to find, lol.
What's more troubling to me is the fact that adults have no clue about how accessible THEY are thanks to smart phones...for instance, any pic you post can reveal your location by any IT person. Something about the identification number on the photo in computer speak. So making sure you don't show your street names, house numbers, etc. in your photos on social media is a joke. They already know where you are thanks to GPS on electronics.
Everyone should google their kids' names regularly to see what they're not telling you.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2014 14:49:41 GMT
I trusted this kid too. Nearly straight A student. NEVER in trouble. Adored by all her teachers. I really thought we had controls in place to minimize the risk. We "raised her right". And she still did stuff that I would have SWORN she wouldn't dream of doing. I was snowed BIG time.
I was *DEAD* wrong. This is just ONE thing I've discovered. ONE. 2 years ago I discovered she had been cutting since about 13 or so. Why I didn't think there was other things going on when I found this? I pretty sure it's because I didn't want to know any more.
My son just got a new computer. His use of it is about to change dramatically.
There's nothing I can do to "undo" any of this but I can possibly learn from, forewarn others and make changes from this point forward. I've thought about talking to her about it but I'm pretty sure I won't. Can't see an upside to doing so.
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Post by SockMonkey on Aug 17, 2014 14:53:21 GMT
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Post by hop2 on Aug 17, 2014 15:04:19 GMT
The world is a media world today, if you don't allow them some way to learn how to deal with it while they are still yours and you can guide them then you throw them out there at 18 semi unprepared.
In my generation we slept in the back yard in the summer to sneak down to the river at night to swim (NOT skinny dip ) Every generation of teens will try to slip something past their parents and then 'gloat' when they think they are successful. All you can do is inform them of the dangers, educate them how to protect themselves and repeat until they go out into the world on their own.
The school is now requiring (and providing) them all to have laptops now (and it has a camera ) My kids have their post it notes all ready to plop on the camera. LOL. In fact my DS wants to refuse to use the school lap top at home and we said go ahead, way easier to monitor the personal laptop that we installed monitoring stuff on. They are both leery over keeping a school laptop in their rooms after that problem that happened in the pennsylvania school district. It was one story I made sure the knew about for their own protection I sort of am happy that they listened. My DD will be getting several lessons this year on media devices and room mates in college. (AKA the rutgers issue ) and what ways she can protect herself.
The fact is that so much less of the world is actually really private and they have to understand that fact and actively protect themselves.
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Post by anxiousmom on Aug 17, 2014 15:07:40 GMT
I *just* listened to Science Friday's (NPR) segment on chat apps that are available that have almost zero digital footprints. You think snapchat is something to worry about? Guess what, there are a lot more than that one. A lot. You should listen to the segment: Science Friday-Being Social without Leaving a Trace The best we parents can do is try to stay on top of what is out there, talk to our kids, and hope that the lessons they are being taught take hold.
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Post by angieh1996 on Aug 17, 2014 15:19:56 GMT
My kids have neither yet... But I know it's coming. The computer they use stays downstairs in the kitchen. They really only use it for school work. They both have "dumb" phones and an itouch. I try to monitor as best as I can. It scares me the crap they can access and do.
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Post by anxiousmom on Aug 17, 2014 15:36:22 GMT
I know I already commented, but I wanted to add this-particularly to parents who aren't technologically tuned-in or have younger kids.
Don't let all this scare you. It can be intimidating, but instead of being so concerned you block all tech, let it be the impetus to learn all you can. What these kids get into is ever changing and even good kids don't think to share the information with their parents. Let your learning be on going, don't stop. I find that the more I know, the more my kid talks about what he is using to communicate. If I act like I know, then he treats me like I know-if that makes sense. Blocking it all will only cause your kids to be more secretive during the times that they find the way to get access- but your knowledge takes the mystery away.
Don't be scared, be informed.
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Post by Crack-a-lackin on Aug 17, 2014 15:39:15 GMT
I trusted this kid too. Nearly straight A student. NEVER in trouble. Adored by all her teachers. I really thought we had controls in place to minimize the risk. We "raised her right". And she still did stuff that I would have SWORN she wouldn't dream of doing. I was snowed BIG time. I was *DEAD* wrong. This is just ONE thing I've discovered. ONE. 2 years ago I discovered she had been cutting since about 13 or so. Why I didn't think there was other things going on when I found this? I pretty sure it's because I didn't want to know any more. My son just got a new computer. His use of it is about to change dramatically. There's nothing I can do to "undo" any of this but I can possibly learn from, forewarn others and make changes from this point forward. I've thought about talking to her about it but I'm pretty sure I won't. Can't see an upside to doing so. That's scary to discover so much was going on that you didn't know about, but be careful you don't go overboard restricting your son as a result. He needs to learn how to use the internet. I've made mistakes with my dd and technology (letting her have pretty much full access in her room at all hours) because she's a good kid and kept her grades up. I did later find out she had several friends who would text her all night long. I don't want to even think about the things I don't know.
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Post by iowgirl on Aug 17, 2014 15:50:15 GMT
If it has a camera - they can do about anything with it.
Snapchat, Instagram, etc. Snapchat leaves no history - you can't go in and see what they sent or what people have sent to them. Unless someone takes a screenshot (and they do) - there is no trace of it left on the device.
You don't need a smartphone to do any of the online social meadia type things. If you have an iPod or an iPad with a camera, you can do anything a smart phone will do, including texting and calling for free.
Don't think that letting a young child have an iPod/Pad in place of a smart phone makes them any safer. You must have open conversations and also be able and willing to restrict all internet access after certain hours.
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Post by paulaj3266 on Aug 17, 2014 15:59:42 GMT
The problem I encountered when my daughters lived at home is the lack of awareness with whom they are hanging with or making plans with. It used to be that there was a phone in the kitchen that you would answer and knew who was calling. Even if they had another phone to talk on, you at least knew who their friends were. Now they can be making plans with lots of people, and you are clueless as to who these kids are.
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Post by raindancer on Aug 17, 2014 16:25:36 GMT
I trusted this kid too. Nearly straight A student. NEVER in trouble. Adored by all her teachers. I really thought we had controls in place to minimize the risk. We "raised her right". And she still did stuff that I would have SWORN she wouldn't dream of doing. I was snowed BIG time. I was *DEAD* wrong. This is just ONE thing I've discovered. ONE. 2 years ago I discovered she had been cutting since about 13 or so. Why I didn't think there was other things going on when I found this? I pretty sure it's because I didn't want to know any more. My son just got a new computer. His use of it is about to change dramatically. There's nothing I can do to "undo" any of this but I can possibly learn from, forewarn others and make changes from this point forward. I've thought about talking to her about it but I'm pretty sure I won't. Can't see an upside to doing so. That's scary to discover so much was going on that you didn't know about, but be careful you don't go overboard restricting your son as a result. He needs to learn how to use the internet. I've made mistakes with my dd and technology (letting her have pretty much full access in her room at all hours) because she's a good kid and kept her grades up. I did later find out she had several friends who would text her all night long. I don't want to even think about the things I don't know. I agree, they are not the same person. The things I got away with, my straight laced little sister wouldn't have dreamed of doing any of it. She even knew about many of my antics and she never would have tried any of it. And I was not a "bad" kid, I can only hope my kids are as "bad" as I was. Then there was my youngest sister, she put me to *shame*, any of the restrictions that were in place from my behavior had little relevance to her because she was doing something entirely different. As hard as it must be as a parent to discover this stuff, it's still about that child, not your other. I think it's smart to be on the ball, and make new rules to go with new knowledge, but also remember that he didn't do those things, and he may not have any intention of doing those things, and he likely has a whole new bag of tricks. It's a teens job to "snow" the parents. I did it. I don't know anyone who didn't do that sort of thing in some capacity (even my good sister. )
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Post by cindyupnorth on Aug 17, 2014 16:47:08 GMT
Teens will be teens. They will experiment, and push the limits, and have to learn on their own. It's our job as parents to educate them. They are still going to make mistakes, and screw up. Isn't that part of growing up? Hopefully nothing that will endanger their lives though. Well, haven't we all as teens done something like that also? We do our best as parents. I know here on 2Ps esp, there is always that perception that everyone's kids on here are perfect. Straight A, top of the class, whatever. We all just never know.
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Post by Linda on Aug 17, 2014 17:19:10 GMT
If it has a camera - they can do about anything with it. Snapchat, Instagram, etc. Snapchat leaves no history - you can't go in and see what they sent or what people have sent to them. Unless someone takes a screenshot (and they do) - there is no trace of it left on the device. You don't need a smartphone to do any of the online social meadia type things. If you have an iPod or an iPad with a camera, you can do anything a smart phone will do, including texting and calling for free. Don't think that letting a young child have an iPod/Pad in place of a smart phone makes them any safer. You must have open conversations and also be able and willing to restrict all internet access after certain hours. no - no camera, it's the generation before they added the camera feature and her phone doesn't have a camera either nor does her laptop have a webcam. That said, she does own a digital camera so I'm sure if she really wanted to upload stuff to social media, she could. We still have those conversations -I have them with her, big brother has them with her (because he can share some of the stupid things his peers have done) and we have them via Girl Scouts also. Do I think I'll through adolescence without her doing at least one stupid technology related thing? Nope - but when she does, we'll talk to her about what it was and why it wasn't a good choice and how to make better choices in the future. That's what we did when our oldest was making inappropriate searches years ago...
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Post by SunnySmile on Aug 17, 2014 18:01:25 GMT
My 15yo dd has a chrome book from Christmas. I put parental controls on it, but she managed to find a way to take them off. I put them back on and she did it again. I found that she had been watching crummy youtube videos. She got the computer taken away. It's been about a month, and school is starting, she's going to need it. Can anyone recommend a good parental control program that she can't hack through? BTW, she denies removing the controls, but obviously she did. I'm not willing to give it back to her until she admits it.
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Post by SockMonkey on Aug 17, 2014 18:05:09 GMT
My 15yo dd has a chrome book from Christmas. I put parental controls on it, but she managed to find a way to take them off. I put them back on and she did it again. I found that she had been watching crummy youtube videos. She got the computer taken away. It's been about a month, and school is starting, she's going to need it. Can anyone recommend a good parental control program that she can't hack through? BTW, she denies removing the controls, but obviously she did. I'm not willing to give it back to her until she admits it. Honestly, the best parental program is supervised use. Kids will find a way to break through almost any security system. If you don't want her using it for anything but school work, schedule her daily screen time and make her use it in your presence. When she's done, lock it up until it's time to leave for school. It's an inconvenience for both of you, unfortunately, but it's the best way to be sure she's doing only what you want her to. What kinds of videos, BTW? Were they really bad? Does she have a smartphone (and couldn't she access the same content on that)? Be aware that if she really wants to access content you don't want her to access, she WILL find a way. Have you had a conversation with her about the content she is accessing and what it is and why you find it troublesome?
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Post by SockMonkey on Aug 17, 2014 18:07:06 GMT
I know I already commented, but I wanted to add this-particularly to parents who aren't technologically tuned-in or have younger kids. Don't let all this scare you. It can be intimidating, but instead of being so concerned you block all tech, let it be the impetus to learn all you can. What these kids get into is ever changing and even good kids don't think to share the information with their parents. Let your learning be on going, don't stop. I find that the more I know, the more my kid talks about what he is using to communicate. If I act like I know, then he treats me like I know-if that makes sense. Blocking it all will only cause your kids to be more secretive during the times that they find the way to get access- but your knowledge takes the mystery away. Don't be scared, be informed. This advice is great. Be informed, and communicate with your kids.
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Post by Susie_Homemaker on Aug 17, 2014 18:14:55 GMT
Hop2, what are the two things you are talking about? One in PA and the AKA the rutgers issue? I may have heard of them but can't recall at the moment what you're referring to.
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Post by SockMonkey on Aug 17, 2014 19:50:28 GMT
Hop2, what are the two things you are talking about? One in PA and the AKA the rutgers issue? I may have heard of them but can't recall at the moment what you're referring to. The "Rutgers" issue refers to Tyler Clementi's suicide after his roommate used a web cam on a computer to record him kissing another man, then posted the video. I believe by the "Pennsylvania" comment she's referring to the lawsuits regarding the activation of built-in cameras on school-issued laptops. www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2386599,00.asp
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Post by Sassenach on Aug 17, 2014 20:45:42 GMT
The problem I encountered when my daughters lived at home is the lack of awareness with whom they are hanging with or making plans with. It used to be that there was a phone in the kitchen that you would answer and knew who was calling. Even if they had another phone to talk on, you at least knew who their friends were. Now they can be making plans with lots of people, and you are clueless as to who these kids are. This is what makes me nervous.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 3:05:19 GMT
The whole adage kids will be kids is crap. Why do they need a smartphone or a personal laptop. We all survived without one. My 16 year old has a regular phone with texting. She has to put it up in our room at 10:30. Laptop use is in the kitchen/ living room. If she uses it in her room door is open. She know if she deletes txts we take texting off. No negotiations , she knows the rules if she breaks them she looses the PRIVILGE. Parents are ao worried about what a kid wants not what a kid needs. Sticking your nose in a smartphone or laptop is hurting our youth. Let kids have human contact an technology in limited amounts. Off my soap box.
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Post by padresfan619 on Aug 18, 2014 3:11:30 GMT
A teen needs a laptop because the world is moving towards using more and more technology. It is naive to think kids don't need technology because it wasn't used in the last. I agree that a teen doesn't *need* a smartphone, but they will definitely need computer access to do school work.
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Post by bc2ca on Aug 18, 2014 4:16:59 GMT
DS's friend had his iPod touch taken away last year over inappropriate chats and arranging to meet girls. An iPod touch and WiFi = a computer. The story he told his friends about why it was taken away was very different from what the mom told me. This friend also started to voice "text" our home phone and DS's cell after he lost the touch. His parents thought they were staying away from trouble by not letting him have a phone. A computer savy kid is going to find a way.
We don't have our heads in the sand, but talk to our kids, educate them (and us) and hope our parenting is successful.
Stupid things that we did as teens are long forgotten, stupid things that are being done today could haunt them for a long time.
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Post by PLurker on Aug 18, 2014 6:15:11 GMT
Teens will be teens. They will experiment, and push the limits, and have to learn on their own. It's our job as parents to educate them. They are still going to make mistakes, and screw up. Isn't that part of growing up? Hopefully nothing that will endanger their lives though. Well, haven't we all as teens done something like that also? We do our best as parents. I know here on 2Ps esp, there is always that perception that everyone's kids on here are perfect. Straight A, top of the class, whatever. We all just never know. Agree. And different times, different issues. They have lived their whole lives with this technology. We have not. Scary to us. Yet we had out own issues in our day. Things my kids would never even think of. Not that they don't exist but just different. If mine did what I did growing up, THAT would scare the bejeebers out of me, too. If they knew all that we did, they would freak. They do have some idea though, as they like to point out when "That 70's Show" is on. We just have to do our best so they can do theirs. Fingers and toes crossed!
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Post by anxiousmom on Aug 18, 2014 12:16:07 GMT
The whole adage kids will be kids is crap. Why do they need a smartphone or a personal laptop. We all survived without one. My 16 year old has a regular phone with texting. She has to put it up in our room at 10:30. Laptop use is in the kitchen/ living room. If she uses it in her room door is open. She know if she deletes txts we take texting off. No negotiations , she knows the rules if she breaks them she looses the PRIVILGE. Parents are ao worried about what a kid wants not what a kid needs. Sticking your nose in a smartphone or laptop is hurting our youth. Let kids have human contact an technology in limited amounts. Off my soap box. I do a lot of what you say re: how technology is used. Phones/ipads are charged in a common location and off at 10, no tv/computer in rooms without doors open and primary use is at the bar in the kitchen, no phones out while food is being consumed... But at the same time, I recognize that times have changed. The same technology that I am concerned about is the way of the world now. The schools heavily use technology, ours issues ipads to all the students and requires a significant amount of their work to be done on and submitted on their ipads. They use their phones to communicate with their friends, not unlike we did as teens on the corded phones of our youth. The key, like in all things, is balance. Rules are fine, total bans are not. Knowledge of what is available to our kids is vital. The more you know about what is happening in the world of technology, the more you can talk to your kids about what they are doing *with* the technology. The fact, whether we agree or not, is that the technology is here to stay. We have to learn to live with it and understand how best to use it, and how best to teach our kids how to safely navigate their way through it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 12:23:59 GMT
One DS has a smartphone. He turned off the data usage on it himself and only uses WiFi. He has little desire to be on any social networking site. He's 13 and entering 8th grade. I'm sure it'll change soon.
Both boys have a laptop with a camera. One has Skype set up. However, he hasn't used it in over a month because he was only using it to chat with another Minecraft buddy. It's my understanding he either lost his computer privileges or is spending most of the summer somewhere where he can't use it as much. Both boys use their laptops for Minecraft and related youtube. I refuse to let them shut their doors while on it and I can come in any time I want and look over their shoulders. At 12 and 13, I respect their privacy but I do check up on them. I have no idea how much checking their Dad does at his house so for all I know, they do more than what I see there. I'm sure when they hit high school, the sneaking and hiding will ramp up and I'll be clueless. I know my parents were to much of the stuff I did.
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