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Post by bc2ca on Feb 21, 2017 17:23:32 GMT
Here's my opinion: We have to wear seat belts in our cars to keep us safe. It's the law. We have to wear helmets on our motorcycles and bikes to keep us safe. It's the law. We can't use our cellphones in the car to keep us safe. It's the law. So why then, do we allow protesters to put their lives and ours in danger on public roads or overpasses? It should be an absolute law that not one human has a right to protest on a public highway--for obvious safety reasons (among others). That's a law I would love to see passed. I think a couple of things are getting conflated in this thread. My reading of freecharlie's OP is that the protesters were on the sidewalk of an overpass, not on the road. That is what we see fairly regularly in San Diego. There is nothing illegal about that and no lives are in danger.  There are certain overpasses that are used regularly for protests and during elections by candidates & supporters because of their high visibility. IME, they have not been enough of a distraction to cause accidents. It sounds like where the protest happened in the OP is a bad piece of road and other factors may have come into play, not just the protesters. I'm sure there are laws restricting protesters on roadways unless permits have been issued. |
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Post by papersilly on Feb 21, 2017 17:59:45 GMT
it should be! they may be a hazard to the street traffic above and they certainly distract the drivers below.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Feb 21, 2017 18:04:05 GMT
Now I'm really wondering... is Phoenix the only place where there are traffic marquees across the highways?? They post traffic times, amber alerts, silver alerts, little funny things about safe driving... and they must believe that we can read those safely.
How are people on an overpass sidewalk with signs any different than that? If you don't want to look away from the road, then don't read them- and if they're small signs, then the people really aren't doing a very effective job with their protest.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2017 18:05:39 GMT
Speaking of protestors - this happened Friday in Buffalo. They crossed a line by sitting on the car, and trying to open the door on the SUV. Not to mention kicking the SUV. And what were they chanting ? " We see you, we love you". Then get the eff off my car. www.facebook.com/TWCNewsRochester/videos/1383212745042460/ETA - I would have kept driving as well. Their cause does not trump my cause. My cause is getting to where I have to be. This is where protesters lose public support. |
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Post by Zee on Feb 21, 2017 18:07:32 GMT
Now I'm really wondering... is Phoenix the only place where there are traffic marquees across the highways?? They post traffic times, amber alerts, silver alerts, little funny things about safe driving... and they must believe that we can read those safely. How are people on an overpass sidewalk with signs any different than that? If you don't want to look away from the road, then don't read them- and if they're small signs, then the people really aren't doing a very effective job with their protest. No, they're all over. But those are expected, the ones above the overpass I guess are a distraction because they're not expected and also probably harder to read. Ditto billboards. I don't know how some people manage to make it through the day, to be honest. So many idiots on the road so easily distracted. You can't read it in a glance, it's not important. Eyes on the road. |
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Post by lurkingsince2001 on Feb 21, 2017 18:36:41 GMT
I don't trust people on overpasses at all. Remember that woman that had kids drop a shopping cart on her car? Ruined her life. Or the kids who dropped rocks onto cars for fun? That made news several times over the years. And what if someone decides to jump or a brawl starts? Limited space for everyone to go to get away.
And no, I don't think people should just be able to block or meander down roads, protesting or whatever they think they are doing. I just don't think you win people over or make them think by doing such things. You just inconvenience and piss them off, potentially leading to violence or accidents.
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Post by mimima on Feb 21, 2017 19:45:09 GMT
Interestingly, the most common place to protest on the overpass in my neck of the woods are pro-military signs on the overpass that leads to a military base.
Honestly, protesters on the overpass don't bother me at all, unless the print is too small and I can't read the sign.
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Post by mimima on Feb 21, 2017 19:45:57 GMT
Now I'm really wondering... is Phoenix the only place where there are traffic marquees across the highways?? They post traffic times, amber alerts, silver alerts, little funny things about safe driving... and they must believe that we can read those safely. How are people on an overpass sidewalk with signs any different than that? If you don't want to look away from the road, then don't read them- and if they're small signs, then the people really aren't doing a very effective job with their protest. No, they're all over. But those are expected, the ones above the overpass I guess are a distraction because they're not expected and also probably harder to read. Ditto billboards. I don't know how some people manage to make it through the day, to be honest. So many idiots on the road so easily distracted. You can't read it in a glance, it's not important. Eyes on the road. Apparently |
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Post by melanell on Feb 21, 2017 20:02:09 GMT
Being slowed down or stopped in traffic because of a protest is an inconvenience, not a tragedy. I can't say that protesters holding signs on an overpass would bother me at all. I'm fine with protesters marching and even clogging streets if they have alerted the necessary people ahead of time so that emergency vehicles are aware ahead of time that they will need to take alternate routes. But spontaneous protests that block major roads can certainly cause more than an inconvenience if someone is waiting for an emergency vehicle that gets tied up because of it. And in many places that would be illegal anyway. And I really think that if protesters want people to hear their message, they shouldn't distract from said message by breaking the law. Then people are apt to focus on the law(s) being broken instead of the message anyway. Save |
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Post by melanell on Feb 21, 2017 20:07:25 GMT
I don't trust people on overpasses at all. Remember that woman that had kids drop a shopping cart on her car? Ruined her life. Or the kids who dropped rocks onto cars for fun? That made news several times over the years. Another story involved ice balls or a chunk of ice, I believe, too. Any way, for those reason I too would prefer people not loiter in groups on overpasses. There is a town in PA that was on the news in the past because they had a high bridge and people would jump to their deaths from it. They would jump at the overpass and the overpass went over a 5 lane road through the middle of the town. It was a really busy road with nearly constant traffic unless it was the middle of the night or something. People jumping would land right in the road, or even on passing vehicles. It's one thing to take your own life, but you could kill someone else doing that, too. Eventually the town put up tall fences on both sides of the overpass and put up signs saying that people should call 911 if they saw anyone on that overpass at all. I think they have signs saying that pedestrians aren't even allowed there. It's a major highway, so it's not a street people use to walk from one place to another. So hearing those stories makes me feel nervous about people on overpasses too.  Save |
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Post by melanell on Feb 21, 2017 20:10:20 GMT
Now I'm really wondering... is Phoenix the only place where there are traffic marquees across the highways?? They post traffic times, amber alerts, silver alerts, little funny things about safe driving... and they must believe that we can read those safely. How are people on an overpass sidewalk with signs any different than that? If you don't want to look away from the road, then don't read them- and if they're small signs, then the people really aren't doing a very effective job with their protest. The way I see it---signs, except for in severe weather conditions--stay still. They are predictable and not dangerous in of themselves. People are unpredictable. They move around, sometime erratically, and they can be dangerous even if they don't mean to be. Save |
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Feb 21, 2017 20:15:01 GMT
Now I'm really wondering... is Phoenix the only place where there are traffic marquees across the highways?? They post traffic times, amber alerts, silver alerts, little funny things about safe driving... and they must believe that we can read those safely. How are people on an overpass sidewalk with signs any different than that? If you don't want to look away from the road, then don't read them- and if they're small signs, then the people really aren't doing a very effective job with their protest. The way I see it--- signs, except for in severe weather conditions--stay still. They are predictable and not dangerous in of themselves. People are unpredictable. They move around, sometime erratically, and they can be dangerous even if they don't mean to be. Savenope- the signs I'm talking about do NOT stay still. We have electronic traffic marquees at a number of places over the highways... they flash different info. They flash the current traffic times for a few seconds, then they might flash an amber alert message, or a silver alert message, etc. The info on them changes. eta: like this one: electronic display sign (I tried to add the image into the thread, but can't get it to work) |
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Post by melanell on Feb 21, 2017 20:18:21 GMT
My DD went to Planned Parenthood to get her pills and she almost had to hit someone to get in the parking lot.. damn protesters. Go ahead and protest, I don't mind that. Get in the way? Yeah I would want to hit them too. Protesters also was throwing things at her and calling her names. If I had known I would have either gone with her or made her just leave.. this has never happened before. That's awful.  This is the kind of thing that baffles me. They're putting time & effort (and probably money) into a protest that includes harassing someone not even pregnant. (Not that you should harass anyone, but I think you get my point.) And they're leaving a good number of people thinking what jerks they are instead of listening to their real message---which I doubt is actually "Hit people who have any association with businesses you don't agree with". Protests work if you make people focus on the real issue. Harassing people doesn't make that happen. I'm sorry your DD experienced that. Save |
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Post by melanell on Feb 21, 2017 20:22:29 GMT
The way I see it--- signs, except for in severe weather conditions--stay still. They are predictable and not dangerous in of themselves. People are unpredictable. They move around, sometime erratically, and they can be dangerous even if they don't mean to be. Savenope- the signs I'm talking about do NOT stay still. We have electronic traffic marquees at a number of places over the highways... they flash different info. They flash the current traffic times for a few seconds, then they might flash an amber alert message, or a silver alert message, etc. The info on them changes. eta: like this one:  Was there supposed to be a link there? Or a photo? I'm not seeing one. (ETA: i see it now.  ) Anyway, we do have signs with moving messages by the actual physical sign does not move. No one is running it back and forth across the highway. That's what I mean. The words are moving, not the sign. You probably don't have to be concerned that the sign will slip, fall, tumble, etc., unless the weather is awful and the sign or the post holding the sign is actually moving in the wind. Stationary signs, even with moving messages are still less distracting, for at least some drivers, than a group of moving people. SaveSave |
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Feb 21, 2017 20:25:45 GMT
I added the link; the photo wouldn't post for some reason. I guess I don't think one is any more / less distracting than the other- there are people walking across overpasses, traffic driving back and forth across overpasses, etc. Why are people holding signs any MORE distracting than anything else?
When ADOT adds a catchy, 'cutesy' saying to one of those traffic marquees, I think it's kind of distracting, too, actually. Everyone feels the need to slow down to read them, just in case they're actually important. But I don't think people on an overpass are any MORE distracting.
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Post by workingclassdog on Feb 21, 2017 20:26:47 GMT
That's awful. This is the kind of thing that baffles me. They're putting time & effort (and probably money) into a protest that includes harassing someone not even pregnant. (Not that you should harass anyone, but I think you get my point.) And they're leaving a good number of people thinking what jerks they are instead of listening to their real message---which I doubt is actually "Hit people who have any association with businesses you don't agree with". Protests work if you make people focus on the real issue. Harassing people doesn't make that happen. I'm sorry your DD experienced that. SaveThanks.. It shook her up a bit. And then on top of that (totally off subject).. she left and got 1/2 way home and they called her back because apparently they didn't take her insurance card (originally they said they did).. and they wanted all the pills back or they would have charged her over $300. So she had to turn around and take all the pills back.. Then pay for the one pack (full price) THEN they tell her that they would send her prescription to Target and then Target can use her insurance. I very calmly told her WE HAVE OUR OWN DOCTOR, why go through all this??? My daughter says, well I don't like the lady at the front desk, she judges me. OMG... then just go and find a doctor...... LOL... KIDS... |
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Post by melanell on Feb 21, 2017 20:33:34 GMT
I added the link; the photo wouldn't post for some reason. I guess I don't think one is any more / less distracting than the other- there are people walking across overpasses, traffic driving back and forth across overpasses, etc. Why are people holding signs any MORE distracting than anything else? When ADOT adds a catchy, 'cutesy' saying to one of those traffic marquees, I think it's kind of distracting, too, actually. Everyone feels the need to slow down to read them, just in case they're actually important. But I don't think people on an overpass are any MORE distracting. Like I said earlier for me it absolutely has to do with the stories of people doing things on overpasses that are detrimental to others. A sign isn't going to throw anything onto the road or jump into the road or fall into the road (hopefully not, anyway!). If traffic is heavy or the roads are bad, and I need to really focus on the road, I can just ignore signs. But to me, people on an overpass are similar to people on the side of a road. I need to always be aware of them because at any minute they may go from not affecting me to affecting me. Save |
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Post by gmcwife1 on Feb 21, 2017 21:18:35 GMT
Now I'm really wondering... is Phoenix the only place where there are traffic marquees across the highways?? They post traffic times, amber alerts, silver alerts, little funny things about safe driving... and they must believe that we can read those safely. How are people on an overpass sidewalk with signs any different than that? If you don't want to look away from the road, then don't read them- and if they're small signs, then the people really aren't doing a very effective job with their protest. We have them here in Washington too. And we have a couple of overpasses that always have someone waving a sign or flag on. For me the signs and flag aren't any more distracting then the DOT signs |
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Post by 950nancy on Feb 21, 2017 22:02:30 GMT
I'm driving to Windsor this weekend. Will keep my eyes peeled.
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Post by freecharlie on Feb 21, 2017 22:42:47 GMT
I added the link; the photo wouldn't post for some reason. I guess I don't think one is any more / less distracting than the other- there are people walking across overpasses, traffic driving back and forth across overpasses, etc. Why are people holding signs any MORE distracting than anything else? When ADOT adds a catchy, 'cutesy' saying to one of those traffic marquees, I think it's kind of distracting, too, actually. Everyone feels the need to slow down to read them, just in case they're actually important. But I don't think people on an overpass are any MORE distracting. it is more distracting because people on the road are trying to figure out why they are there and what are they protesting or supporting. In this case, the signs we small, think campaign yard signs and the text was not big. The CDOT signs are big enough to read from a distance and take seconds to read, if that. |
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Post by Olan on Aug 13, 2017 1:23:31 GMT
So should protesters who stand in traffic, block freeways, etc. I swear that if a protester stopped me in my car from getting where I wanted to go, I'd hit 'em. Cindy At least 10 peas share a similar sentiment. |
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Post by pinklady on Aug 13, 2017 1:27:00 GMT
So should protesters who stand in traffic, block freeways, etc. I swear that if a protester stopped me in my car from getting where I wanted to go, I'd hit 'em. Cindy What a horrible thing to say No, it's typical from her. She is vile. |
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Post by pondrunner on Aug 13, 2017 1:34:55 GMT
So should protesters who stand in traffic, block freeways, etc. I swear that if a protester stopped me in my car from getting where I wanted to go, I'd hit 'em. Cindy I don't think today is the right day to talk about running over protesters with your car. |
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Post by iteach3rdgrade on Aug 13, 2017 1:54:33 GMT
I agree.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2017 2:05:34 GMT
It wasn't today it was 6 months ago. Nevertheless...
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Post by pondrunner on Aug 13, 2017 2:10:00 GMT
It wasn't today it was 6 months ago. Nevertheless... Old thread my bad. I was offended after watching what went on in Charlottesville today and quoted that post without looking at the date on it. Lets see how hitting protesters with a car works out for that guy in Charlottesville anyway. |
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Post by freecharlie on Aug 13, 2017 2:48:34 GMT
How in the world did this post get bumped back up to the top?
This was written back in Feb
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Post by mom on Aug 13, 2017 4:00:17 GMT
How in the world did this post get bumped back up to the top? This was written back in Feb Olan bumped it back up for you. |
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Post by Delta Dawn on Aug 13, 2017 6:55:32 GMT
We have 2 highway signs that I know of. One on one highway posting ferry traffic and the other about the Trans-Canada and it says very few words and it's an Amber alert or highway construction or weather. We don't have any other signs like that. I haven't seen an overpass sign in a long time which makes me think they are illegal or are taken down quickly by someone.
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Post by Olan on Aug 13, 2017 12:18:31 GMT
How in the world did this post get bumped back up to the top? This was written back in Feb Olan bumped it back up for you. And you all know why. Is there a difference between cindosha and Fields? Very small distinction. Its difficult for me as a human being to separate sugar from shit so they go in the same bucket. And since this distinction is proving to be life or death I don't know why any of you would like me to feel guilt over correctly identifying who means me the most harm. How could any of you be shocked at what happened yesterday in Charlottesville? www.toledoblade.com/Nation/2017/08/12/Hundreds-face-off-ahead-of-white-nationalist-rally.htmlSamantha Bloom, Mr. Fields’ mother, told a Blade reporter her son texted her Friday to say he had dropped his cat off at her Monclova Township apartment so he could go to an “alt-right” rally in Virginia. “I told him to be careful,” Ms. Bloom said. “[And] if they’re going to rally to make sure he’s doing it peacefully.” It didn’t appear that happened, she said tearfully. She had returned from dinner Saturday evening unaware that her son was involved and had not yet been contacted by authorities. He had told her about the rally last week, but didn’t offer details about its extremist nature. “I thought it had something to do with Trump,” she said. “I try to stay out of his political views,” she said. “I don’t get too involved.” |
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This is the kind of thing that baffles me. They're putting time & effort (and probably money) into a protest that includes harassing someone not even pregnant. (Not that you should harass anyone, but I think you get my point.) And they're leaving a good number of people thinking what jerks they are instead of listening to their real message---which I doubt is actually "Hit people who have any association with businesses you don't agree with".
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