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Post by scraphappyinjax on Aug 21, 2014 3:46:56 GMT
This is one vaccine that I would prefer my kids not get. I'm not an anti immunization parent. I had my pediatrician break up immunizations when my son was diagnosed with Autism at age 2. When it was time for his next round MMR I had my doctor's office do just the measles one month, then mumps, and then rubella. Gardasil just makes me really nervous. I don't like it (reading the horror stories of what's happened to girls who've gotten the shot) and until my daughter is old enough to make the decision on her own I will discourage her from getting it. I'm happy though to read from y'all who's kids have gotten it and had no adverse reactions.
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Post by raindancer on Aug 21, 2014 6:32:02 GMT
Anecdotal evidence found on blogs on the internet is not evidence.
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Post by DinCA on Aug 21, 2014 6:49:07 GMT
Here is the recommendation from the CDC. This along with my background is why my kids will be getting this vaccine. Facts about HPV and the vaccine from the CDC Near 100%. That's really, really high. I don't know why anyone would object to protecting their children from these diseases. And you can't control anyone but yourself, so regardless of how careful you are, you can still be exposed. My best friends mom in high school had an STI thanks to her husband having an affair after 28 years of marriage. It happens. I don't think most people opting out are doing it to not protect their children from the diseases. From what I've read it's more of a concern over possible serious side effects and the relative newness of the vaccine.
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Post by AussieMeg on Aug 21, 2014 7:08:37 GMT
Here is the recommendation from the CDC. This along with my background is why my kids will be getting this vaccine. Facts about HPV and the vaccine from the CDC Near 100%. That's really, really high. I don't know why anyone would object to protecting their children from these diseases. And you can't control anyone but yourself, so regardless of how careful you are, you can still be exposed. My best friends mom in high school had an STI thanks to her husband having an affair after 28 years of marriage. It happens. I don't think most people opting out are doing it to not protect their children from the diseases. From what I've read it's more of a concern over possible serious side effects and the relative newness of the vaccine. I understand that people have concerns about the possible side effects, and the intention of those who opt out is not "to not protect their children". But the reality is, that's exactly what they are doing - choosing to not protect their children in this case. However, each person needs to make up their own minds based on their own beliefs.
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Post by cookiemum on Aug 21, 2014 7:24:26 GMT
Like AussieMeg this vaccine is on the schedule for all girls in Year 7, the first year of high school. They offer all vaccines free of charge if they are done at school. Otherwise I think they have to wait until year 10 or pay.
Any and all are optional; nothing is mandatory. My oldest dd had the HPV series in yr 7 and the youngest is 2/3 of the way through the series. I won't lie, I worried the same as I've done with all the other shots. In the end though, the benefits far outweigh the risks.
To me, avoiding it because it encourages promiscuity is no different than the argument that talking about sex with your children encourages promiscuity. Both in my opinion are rubbish.
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Post by gar on Aug 21, 2014 7:43:58 GMT
Is this a relatively new programme in the US? It's been part of the standard set of vaccinations offered to kids here via their schools for a long time and both my DDs had it at age 11/12...can't remember now the exact age. I am out of the loop now a little with immunisation talk among parents of young children but I've never heard of adverse side effects and I can't remember it being an issue when my girls were that age.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Aug 21, 2014 11:06:39 GMT
Huh. I thought everyone was getting the shots. I had no idea people were opting out.
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Post by littlemama on Aug 21, 2014 12:14:49 GMT
If I had a daughter, I would be inclined to have her vaccinated. I have a son, and I do not feel that the argument given when they began recommending it for boys was compelling enough to cause me to have him vaccinated. (the reason being, too many girls aren't getting it, so boys should get it in order to protect more girls.)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 12:21:19 GMT
Thank you Melissa! I completely agree with your very well-thought-out and researched response.
Both my kids have been vaccinated; it makes me happy that I can make a decision to protect them from cancer.
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Aug 21, 2014 12:35:53 GMT
My girls didn't get it as they were exactly the earliest age suggested when it came out. Our famous governor decided to make it MANDATORY (and it is one of the few times I have TOTALLY disagreed with him).....there was a huge outcry because there was not a lot of research, insurance wasn't covering it and it was $200 a shot (so $600 total). There was also a connection between him and the RX company.....We declined at the time and would have been willing to pull our girls out of public school because of it. Since then, My one daughter had a weird reaction to a Dtap a few years later and is really really afraid of effects of vaccinations, so I doubt she will ever get it. For the other, it will be her choice now that she is old enough to make it. Plus our doctor at the time did NOT recommend it and hadn't given it to any of his three kids. And this is a doctor that would usually recommend all vacs. I think you will find the medical community split and that alone is enough to give me pause*Bold mine* I agree with that (bolded text). I did not give it to my olded dd, and will not be giving it to my other children, at the very least until more extensive research has been done. The peds in the practice we go to were split as to whether children should receive it. One was all for it. The other three were completely against it. The one for it wouldn't even discuss possible side effects. The ones against it told us that it does not prevent all hpv, just a fraction. The docs against it also told us that the drug reps that come to the office were really pushing to have teh docs agree to try to persuade patients that they must get the shot. The docs feel that the hpv immunization is more a money maker than a matter of general health.
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Post by scrappinmama on Aug 21, 2014 12:58:54 GMT
I asked up thread, but it hasn't been answered. Those of you in the medical community, maybe you can answer. Research has shown that the shot is effective with just one dose, and that 3 shots aren't necessary. If that is true, why are they giving a series of 3 shots per child? If scientists now feel that one shot is enough, then why not change the policy on number of shots given?
And another question, why do European countries not vaccinate boys, but we do?
Last question, what is the meaning of life? Just kidding. But my questions above are serious, not being sarcastic or pushing my opinion. Because I think it's an important topic. I want to hear opinions from both sides.
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Post by shevy on Aug 21, 2014 13:00:55 GMT
I admit I find these discussions tiring to a degree because of some of the usual comments. Moneymaker? This vaccine is a GAME CHANGER. It's incredible how quickly we forget history. Do you know that cervical cancer was a MAJOR cause of death from cancer for women before the Pap test was introduced in the 1950's? Deaths from cervical cancer have decreased tremendously since then... unlike any other cancer really. This is the final step to almost completely eliminate this form of cancer. It is STILL the second most common cause of cancer related death world wide. Of course, it's not just cervical cancer. Anal cancers, some rectal cancers, vaginal, vulvar and penile cancers as are mainly caused by certain strains of HPV. This is me. For any of the vaccines that are available today and not used. I think we are so removed from the epidemics from which these vaccinations came from that we (the general we) forget just why they were created. There is a lot of diseases/deaths prevented with these vaccines and choosing not to use them puts your kids and other kids at risk due to how vaccinations work.
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Post by julieb on Aug 21, 2014 13:53:16 GMT
My dd has had 3 bf's, in the last 12 years. BF [HASH]2 gave her HPV. My sons (now 24 and 20) have had the vaccine. I don't understand why anyone would not encourage their kid to get the vaccine. When I spoke to my boys about it, they didn't hesitate going.
What is frustrating is that dd was on birth control and didn't use a condom also.
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Post by julieb on Aug 21, 2014 14:06:03 GMT
OMGosh. This floors me. So don't have your son get it because it won't affect his life? You don't care that he could infect a girl? Believe me I wish the guy that infected my dd (and obviously had many more partners than my dd) had gotten the vaccination.
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Post by ihaveonly1l on Aug 21, 2014 14:07:00 GMT
My boys got the vaccine. Maybe my kids are clueless, but it in no way promotes promiscuity. They just got a vaccine, like they have a bunch of other times and I don't think they thought twice about it. They've had shots before, and just assumed it was one of those things. I mean we discussed it in the room and our pediatrician was clear why she promotes taking it and I had no problem with it, but to think now they will be more promiscuous is ridiculous. I'm sure my boys were more embarrassed by having other things checked by the doctor and were not thinking of anything but trying not to die of embarrassment (not that they should be embarrassed but they are teenage boys and don't really want to dropping their drawers hearing the importance of self exams).
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Post by jamielynn on Aug 21, 2014 14:07:09 GMT
Why wouldn't you give your child the vaccine? My child chose to be vaccinated before I would have had her get the vaccine. All it took was learning about it and she said she wanted it. It was a no brainer for her at age 11. All she needed to learn was that it offered protection against a type of cancer. I do think she could have waited and now that she is 17, I can definitely say she could have waited a few years, but it doesn't matter. You can't go back into time. As already mentioned, you want this on board BEFORE the onset of any sexual activity. So waiting until the later teens years will be too late for some. The anti-vaccination movement in the US has grown stronger over the years and it can be confusing to do your own research as a result. I find very few actual reasons not to vaccinate for this one. And, btw, I personally am someone who has had moderate to severe immunization reactions over the years to many vaccines. I'd say it hasn't stopped me but that is not entirely true. I have a fairly specific egg allergy so any vaccine derived from products incubated in eggs is an issue which means I did not get a flu vaccine for several years. As an asthmatic and cancer patient, it's no longer optional (ESP with so many people NOT getting vaccinated!), so I worked with an allergist to get it the last few years until the egg free version became available. I've also reacted to the DTP boosters, an unrelated reaction to my allergy and definitely related to the immunization. My child, on the other hand, has never had a reaction of any sort. If a person has a reaction to a vaccine, it is important to understand the nature of the reaction, the nature of the vaccine and then make an educated decision if it has anything to do with any other vaccine. Often, that is not the case. And, one must of course balance the risks of a reaction vs the benefit of the vaccine. A fever can be treated with acetominophen. A local reaction is not a contraindication to repeat doses. I admit I find these discussions tiring to a degree because of some of the usual comments. Moneymaker? This vaccine is a GAME CHANGER. It's incredible how quickly we forget history. Do you know that cervical cancer was a MAJOR cause of death from cancer for women before the Pap test was introduced in the 1950's? Deaths from cervical cancer have decreased tremendously since then... unlike any other cancer really. This is the final step to almost completely eliminate this form of cancer. It is STILL the second most common cause of cancer related death world wide. Of course, it's not just cervical cancer. Anal cancers, some rectal cancers, vaginal, vulvar and penile cancers as are mainly caused by certain strains of HPV. If you've never been touched by an abnormal pap smear, never been touched by cancer in your life, I can understand the reticence. But who hasn't been touched by cancer and why in the world would you not protect your child while you have the chance? So, yes.. I am biased in favor of this vaccine. I don't do gyn office practice any more, but please understand that this vaccine, if widely employed, will change the nature of gyn practices. I highly suspect that someday there will be a different schedule for those who have been vaccinated vs those who have not as far as cervical screening goes. Given the above response, what are your thoughts on doing PAP every 3 years as now suggested? Would that vary for those who have had prior abnormals? After how many years if so on abnormals? A circle of ladies and I recently were discussing this and several had had prior abnormals. Many practitioners were changing to every 3 years after 3 normals - others kept doing annuals.
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Post by bc2ca on Aug 21, 2014 16:23:09 GMT
The only people I know who have opted out of this vaccine for their children are those that sincerely believe this vaccine is only for someone planning to be sexually active with multiple partners. As their children will only be sexually active after marriage with their spouse, this vaccine just isn't necessary for them.
Even before talking to our pediatrician, who did recommend it, I researched the pros & cons and decided to vaccinate both DD and DS. Our insurance initially only covered the cost for girls, but are now covering boys too.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Aug 21, 2014 16:37:24 GMT
The only people I know who have opted out of this vaccine for their children are those that sincerely believe this vaccine is only for someone planning to be sexually active with multiple partners. As their children will only be sexually active after marriage with their spouse, this vaccine just isn't necessary for them. Even before talking to our pediatrician, who did recommend it, I researched the pros & cons and decided to vaccinate both DD and DS. Our insurance initially only covered the cost for girls, but are now covering boys too. I am sure there will always be regional and other location difference. I live in an area that has a lot of vaccination fear - we had a pretty bad outbreak of whooping cough because too many parents are foregoing vaccines that they don't think are essential. To be clear, I am am NOT saying whooping cough isn't essential - but there is a subset of people who were foregoing it and debating the side effects versus the possibility of contracting whooping cough and the health consequences. It's a true public health issue, as in their decision making, exposing infants, autoimmune people and others wasn't being factored in. Many, many of these people have delayed or decided against vaccines for HPV as they have a general distrust unfortunately of vaccines - they are NOT religious and their children's potential promiscuity has no impact on their decision.
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Post by raindancer on Aug 21, 2014 17:21:44 GMT
I would like to see some real evidence for this, because my suspicion is that it is like the folks who think there are legitimate scientists who don't "believe" in climate change. It's not true. And ime in the public health realm, I don't know of a single professional who is split on this or any other vaccine.
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Post by Gennifer on Aug 21, 2014 18:39:05 GMT
That's incredible to see it visually like that, raindancer! I honestly can't even fathom the reasoning behind people not vaccinating their children for this. I read the excuses, and it doesn't even compute for me.
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Post by anonrefugee on Aug 21, 2014 18:49:40 GMT
That's incredible to see it visually like that, raindancer! I honestly can't even fathom the reasoning behind people not vaccinating their children for this. I read the excuses, and it doesn't even compute for me. Nor to me, but I know my friends break down in unexpected ways. One is against it, moderately liberal, because she lives in TX and despises the Governor who backed it. Another, very conservative Baptist, had her kids receive it as soon as able. Her cousin has the virus, contracted in middle age after divorcing from her highschool sweetheart and having a new relationship. I do not understand the feeling it opens the door to promiscuous behavior. Both my doctors and pediatrician recommend it. Thanks for graphic!
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Post by raindancer on Aug 21, 2014 19:12:41 GMT
That's incredible to see it visually like that, raindancer! I honestly can't even fathom the reasoning behind people not vaccinating their children for this. I read the excuses, and it doesn't even compute for me. Nor to me, but I know my friends break down in unexpected ways. One is against it, moderately liberal, because she lives in TX and despises the Governor who backed it. Another, very conservative Baptist, had her kids receive it as soon as able. Her cousin has the virus, contracted in middle age after divorcing from her highschool sweetheart and having a new relationship. I do not understand the feeling it opens the door to promiscuous behavior. Both my doctors and pediatrician recommend it. Thanks for graphic! I love those kinds of graphics, it clears up all the extra and makes it easier to "see". They are one of my favorite things.
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Post by scrappinmama on Aug 21, 2014 19:12:46 GMT
The thought that it would make your child promiscuous is ridiculous! But the people I know who aren't vaccinating, do it for other reasons. I don't judge them.
You know what does drive me crazy? In this day and age, why are more people not wearing condoms? When I was still single, you worried about Aids, and Herpes. If a person is vaccinated, they still need to be using protection.
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Post by inkedup on Aug 21, 2014 19:20:07 GMT
I had all of my girls and son get it. I have a friend who is an OR nurse and she has seen more guys on the table with throat cancer due to that virus. One can use their imagination on how the guy got the virus. Oh, those pesky gay men, causing an epidemic of throat cancer in your city. What an ignorant, IRRELEVANT statement.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Aug 21, 2014 19:45:10 GMT
Thank you, raindancer for that graphic. My doctor first mentioned the vaccine to me about a year and a half ago and I think I have finally decided my 14 year old DD should get it. I plan to discuss it at her next doctor appointment next month.
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Post by scrappinmama on Aug 21, 2014 19:47:05 GMT
I had all of my girls and son get it. I have a friend who is an OR nurse and she has seen more guys on the table with throat cancer due to that virus. One can use their imagination on how the guy got the virus. Oh, those pesky gay men, causing an epidemic of throat cancer in your city. What an ignorant, IRRELEVANT statement. I didn't think she was talking about gay patients. Heterosexuals have oral sex too. Let's not forget Michael Douglas over sharing by telling the world that he got throat cancer from oral sex.
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Post by LeaP on Aug 21, 2014 20:03:13 GMT
Why wouldn't you give your child the vaccine? My child chose to be vaccinated before I would have had her get the vaccine. All it took was learning about it and she said she wanted it. It was a no brainer for her at age 11. All she needed to learn was that it offered protection against a type of cancer. I do think she could have waited and now that she is 17, I can definitely say she could have waited a few years, but it doesn't matter. You can't go back into time. As already mentioned, you want this on board BEFORE the onset of any sexual activity. So waiting until the later teens years will be too late for some. The anti-vaccination movement in the US has grown stronger over the years and it can be confusing to do your own research as a result. I find very few actual reasons not to vaccinate for this one. And, btw, I personally am someone who has had moderate to severe immunization reactions over the years to many vaccines. I'd say it hasn't stopped me but that is not entirely true. I have a fairly specific egg allergy so any vaccine derived from products incubated in eggs is an issue which means I did not get a flu vaccine for several years. As an asthmatic and cancer patient, it's no longer optional (ESP with so many people NOT getting vaccinated!), so I worked with an allergist to get it the last few years until the egg free version became available. I've also reacted to the DTP boosters, an unrelated reaction to my allergy and definitely related to the immunization. My child, on the other hand, has never had a reaction of any sort. If a person has a reaction to a vaccine, it is important to understand the nature of the reaction, the nature of the vaccine and then make an educated decision if it has anything to do with any other vaccine. Often, that is not the case. And, one must of course balance the risks of a reaction vs the benefit of the vaccine. A fever can be treated with acetominophen. A local reaction is not a contraindication to repeat doses. I admit I find these discussions tiring to a degree because of some of the usual comments. Moneymaker? This vaccine is a GAME CHANGER. It's incredible how quickly we forget history. Do you know that cervical cancer was a MAJOR cause of death from cancer for women before the Pap test was introduced in the 1950's? Deaths from cervical cancer have decreased tremendously since then... unlike any other cancer really. This is the final step to almost completely eliminate this form of cancer. It is STILL the second most common cause of cancer related death world wide. Of course, it's not just cervical cancer. Anal cancers, some rectal cancers, vaginal, vulvar and penile cancers as are mainly caused by certain strains of HPV. If you've never been touched by an abnormal pap smear, never been touched by cancer in your life, I can understand the reticence. But who hasn't been touched by cancer and why in the world would you not protect your child while you have the chance? So, yes.. I am biased in favor of this vaccine. I don't do gyn office practice any more, but please understand that this vaccine, if widely employed, will change the nature of gyn practices. I highly suspect that someday there will be a different schedule for those who have been vaccinated vs those who have not as far as cervical screening goes. Thanks for this post. I was born in Italy and got to see the many varied lifelong effects of polio first hand not to mention other childhood diseases that vaccines prevent. Widespread immunization was a radical improvement for my generation. My mother had scarlet fever, mumps and measles. All I had was chicken pox. I hope those diseases do not make a comeback in my lifetime.
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Post by scrappinghappy on Aug 21, 2014 20:06:08 GMT
I had all of my girls and son get it. I have a friend who is an OR nurse and she has seen more guys on the table with throat cancer due to that virus. One can use their imagination on how the guy got the virus. Oh, those pesky gay men, causing an epidemic of throat cancer in your city. What an ignorant, IRRELEVANT statement. I think you misread the quote or mistyped your response
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Post by heartcat on Aug 21, 2014 20:09:48 GMT
I would never try to convince someone else that they should not vaccinate their child, but to this point we chose not to vaccinate dd, now 14, against HPV.
There were a number of reasons for our decision. While there are links between HPV and cancer, my research indicated that it is a very small percentage of people who get HPV who later get cancer, and that there are likely other risk factors. Doctors and pharmaceutical companies are not infallible (think Thalidomide; and the company that produces the HPV vaccine also produced Vioxx (?) which was linked to deaths and later pulled). There were no studies on potential long term effects of the vaccine when given to children. I do not recall now whether initial testing was even down on adolescents or only on adult women.
What really turned me off though, was that here in Ontario, Canada, the vaccine was offered province wide, free of cost, to girls in grade 8. But if a parent chose to delay, and have their dd vaccinated later at their physician's, they would have to pay out of pocket. That is not an issue for us, and if at some point we decide to get dd vaccinated, cost will not prevent that.
But it left a really bad taste in my mouth and seemed as though they were pressuring people, especially those on low incomes, to 'do it now or else miss out'. I figured that if it was important enough for the province to pay for when a child is in grade eight, why not in grade nine or grade ten?
Dd is aware of our reasoning, we have discussed it with her, as well as letting her know that she can discuss it with our doctor privately if she chooses, and that if at any time she feels that this is something she wants, based on her own research and feelings, then we will see that she gets vaccinated.
I am generally pro vaccine. Our children have all of the mandated vaccinations and we had them vaccinated for chicken pox as well. But I decided to forgo the generous offer of a free vaccination when dd was in grade 8 and am not entirely convinced that is in her best interests to vaccinate against HPV. Again, I am not totally opposed to it and don't think people are making a mistake to proceed with vaccination. But I did not want to feel pushed or pressured into it in dd's last year of elementary school.
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