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Post by fkawitchypea on Apr 14, 2017 0:16:30 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2017 0:19:54 GMT
Barbaric.
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Post by flanz on Apr 14, 2017 1:15:24 GMT
heinous and barbaric.
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Post by myshelly on Apr 14, 2017 1:26:37 GMT
Disgusting.
I have the same opinion of people who practice male genital mutilation for religious or personal reasons.
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Post by threegirls on Apr 14, 2017 1:35:38 GMT
That turns my stomach. Those poor girls.
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Post by zella on Apr 14, 2017 2:03:47 GMT
Disgusting. I have the same opinion of people who practice male genital mutilation for religious or personal reasons.  Male genital multilation. Otherwise known as circumcision. It should be outlawed too, other than in cases of medical necessity.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2017 3:01:50 GMT
There is a huge difference between removing a foreskin and removing a clitoris.
Men can still enjoy sex, women can't. And that is the purpose. To make a woman a lessor being.
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Post by myshelly on Apr 14, 2017 3:10:15 GMT
There is a huge difference between removing a foreskin and removing a clitoris. Men can still enjoy sex, women can't. And that is the purpose. To make a woman a lessor being. Maybe foreskin is the male clitoris. Do you know how many nerve endings a male loses when he's circumcised? Clitoral orgasms are only one type of orgasm. They are the most common and easiest to achieve for most women. They are not the only type, however. A woman without a clitoris is still physically capable of an orgasm.
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Post by scrapaddie on Apr 14, 2017 3:25:56 GMT
In societies where this is practiced, this may be the least of their problems. It was the husband to decide if and when there will be children. If a woman is worn out from having babies already, it doesn't matter if the husband wants more children. Often, the husband can have as many wives as he can support. The woman told me they didn't mind, because More wives meant number one the work is shared. Number two the husband spent less time with Each wife and as a consequence, beatings Did not occur as often. And it was better to have a sister wife or two or three or four then for the husband just leave the family, which could happen. The women found it totally unbelievable that in United States, a man is known to occasionally change diapers. And, that men wear underwear!! These were Massai women in Tanzania.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2017 4:09:47 GMT
That is horrible! It is not something I would expect in this country.
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Apr 14, 2017 8:19:31 GMT
That is just the most despicable, horrendous thing.
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Post by pondrunner on Apr 14, 2017 9:13:34 GMT
There is a huge difference between removing a foreskin and removing a clitoris. Men can still enjoy sex, women can't. And that is the purpose. To make a woman a lessor being. Maybe foreskin is the male clitoris. Do you know how many nerve endings a male loses when he's circumcised? Clitoral orgasms are only one type of orgasm. They are the most common and easiest to achieve for most women. They are not the only type, however. A woman without a clitoris is still physically capable of an orgasm. the foreskin is not structurally the same as the clitoris, removing the clitoris is more like cutting away the glans. The more analogous matter to male circumcision would be removal of the clitoral hood. I'm not in favor of either one, but comparing apples to apples is useful. Anatomical experts argue that thw structure that generates orgasm in women is one organ, the clitoral complex, which includes the clitoris itself and sensitive tissue surrounding the urethra and in the shallow space of the vagina. There are not types of female orgasm, there is only female orgasm generated by the same organ stimulated in different ways. See 2014 study in Clinical Anatomy, peer reviewed. It seems odd to howl of the lost nerve endings in male circumcision and then minimize the impact to female sexuality of female genital mutilation.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2017 9:47:24 GMT
It's barbaric and what makes this case even worse, if that's possible, is that the Dr that performed it in this case is a female!
We had a prosecution here too a while ago. IMO the parents should also be prosecuted. They must have agreed to it, these poor girls don't get there on their own.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2017 10:22:02 GMT
I hope they prosecute her to the fullest extent of the law.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2017 13:52:51 GMT
I hope they prosecute her to the fullest extent of the law. Yes!! Our laws are what define our values (and why laws change over time). The law recognizes that this practice, though "tradition" and "religious" and all the other words they can throw at it to justify it, is wrong. Lots of stupid sh#($* people did in the past, they did for "tradition" or "religion" - didn't make them right. Atlantic article w/an anthropologist about FGM: www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/04/female-genital-mutilation-cutting-anthropologist/389640/
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Post by annabella on Apr 14, 2017 14:03:09 GMT
I read this wonderful book called Desert Flower by Waris Dirie, its the memoir of a woman who grew up a desert nomad in Somalia, was circumcised, then moved to London to be a house slave for the Somali ambassador. She was not allowed to go to school as a minor or learn English. She met the model Iman during this time and was shocked and saddened that she would see her in this condition and not speak up. She went to the hospital once in London with problems related to her circumcision which gave her terrible heavy periods since they blood couldn't exit her body. The hospital had a male Somalian nurse come in to translate for her, and instead of translating correctly, he kept telling her you should be ashamed to have this reversed so nothing was done. She later was discovered by a photographer and became a model and ran away to NYC.
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Post by loco coco on Apr 14, 2017 14:34:30 GMT
omg. So the parents were taking the daughters to get this done?! Are the parents going to be charged?
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Post by MizIndependent on Apr 14, 2017 16:18:43 GMT
This is a normal, accepted practice in a shockingly large number of specific regions and cultures. When these people immigrate to the US, they bring their culture with them and of course, try to continue the practice of them in spite of local laws forbidding it. Seems to me the practice of barbarism like FGM is based merely on a lack of understanding and education. After all, didn't Europeans use to believe that the use of aromatherapy would ward off plague? Well, that and a live chicken to rub on your wounds. And don't forget the popularity of bloodletting to get the "evil humors" out of your body. The point is, these other cultures coming into the US are so drastically backwards and archaic in their thinking that of course it is horrifying to the US which is actually very progressive in how it views a woman's right to autonomy for example. As instances like this arise (and they will continue to do so as we welcome more and more under-educated cultures into our country) we absolutely need to make a huge stink about it, prosecute to the fullest extent of the law but also EDUCATE as to why it's wrong for the human race, not just North Americans. This is what happens when your country is considered a "melting pot".
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Post by birukitty on Apr 14, 2017 17:01:55 GMT
I didn't know much about female genital mutilation until I started reading about it awhile ago including some first person accounts. Female genital mutilation doesn't just mean that women can't enjoy sex. Most of the time (from what I read) when it happens it means that they suffer for the rest of their lives every time they try to urinate because they are sewn shut so tightly it hurt to do so. The first person accounts I read happened when the women were usually around age 5 forced upon them. It was brutal and excruciatingly painful. Not only was the clitoris cut but the inner labia too the outer labia was sewn shut. The tiniest hole was left for urination. From the first person accounts I read these women suffered all of their lives. Their were two books and each was able to escape and make it to the west. One was able to have surgery to correct her situation. The other, from what I remember, was still searching for a surgeon.
This post by the OP is very important but this is happening more frequently that we like to think here in the USA. The parents don't need a doctor to do this. They don't use doctors in their home countries. We need to do all we can to stamp this out here in the USA and abroad especially for the children who have no say in this happening to them.
Zingermack, the article you posted was very interesting and when this is happening to an ADULT woman who gives her consent I see no problem with it-who am I to say no to what they see as their religious and cultural practice. But I truly believe in my heart that female genital mutilation occurs most of the time to unwilling young children and that is certainly not okay especially when it is happening illegally in the USA. We have to make our laws stronger against this and not only punish the person who performs this, but also the parents who take their child to this monsters.
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Post by workingclassdog on Apr 14, 2017 17:06:02 GMT
I read this wonderful book called Desert Flower by Waris Dirie, its the memoir of a woman who grew up a desert nomad in Somalia, was circumcised, then moved to London to be a house slave for the Somali ambassador. She was not allowed to go to school as a minor or learn English. She met the model Iman during this time and was shocked and saddened that she would see her in this condition and not speak up. She went to the hospital once in London with problems related to her circumcision which gave her terrible heavy periods since they blood couldn't exit her body. The hospital had a male Somalian nurse come in to translate for her, and instead of translating correctly, he kept telling her you should be ashamed to have this reversed so nothing was done. She later was discovered by a photographer and became a model and ran away to NYC. I remember that story! I need to read this book.
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Post by Zee on Apr 14, 2017 17:25:17 GMT
I read this wonderful book called Desert Flower by Waris Dirie, its the memoir of a woman who grew up a desert nomad in Somalia, was circumcised, then moved to London to be a house slave for the Somali ambassador. She was not allowed to go to school as a minor or learn English. She met the model Iman during this time and was shocked and saddened that she would see her in this condition and not speak up. She went to the hospital once in London with problems related to her circumcision which gave her terrible heavy periods since they blood couldn't exit her body. The hospital had a male Somalian nurse come in to translate for her, and instead of translating correctly, he kept telling her you should be ashamed to have this reversed so nothing was done. She later was discovered by a photographer and became a model and ran away to NYC. I remember that story! I need to read this book. They made it into a movie, too. I think I watched it on Starz a number of years ago.
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Post by PEAcan pie on Apr 14, 2017 17:43:23 GMT
I live near Northville it is such a close-knit quaint town... hard to believe it happens here.
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Post by casii on Apr 14, 2017 17:49:47 GMT
Monstrous and barbaric. Poor girls.
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Post by anniebygaslight on Apr 14, 2017 17:57:22 GMT
Genital mutilation of any sort is abhorrent. Particularly when it hides behind religion.
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Post by birukitty on Apr 14, 2017 22:34:36 GMT
I remember that story! I need to read this book. They made it into a movie, too. I think I watched it on Starz a number of years ago. I thought this sounded familiar. I watched that movie too. Does anyone remember what it was called? Amazing film! I'm going to put the book on my goodreads to read list. Thanks for mentioning the book Annabella along with the author's name. Off to add it to my list now. BTW, just realized I might not be remembering the details of female genital mutilation exactly correctly as I specified in my post. My brain has been injured and I still have trouble forming memories and keeping details exactly correct to this day due to the 20 ECT treatments I had in 2009 and 2010. I could be wrong in what I remembered in some of the detail-just wanted to mention that. I do know it is a lot more involved and does much more damage than male circumcision that we have done here in the west for many years. Everything in my post is what I remember from what I've read.
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Post by birukitty on Apr 14, 2017 22:49:43 GMT
Found the movie on Amazon when I went to look for the book. It has the same name as the book "Desert Flower" and is being sold there on DVD.
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Post by cindosha on Apr 16, 2017 0:17:57 GMT
Why ANY parent would allow their child to be subject to this inhumane procedure is just beyond my comprehension...if your beliefs are that deeply rooted in your homeland, MOVE BACK THERE.
And take your crazy with you.
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Post by Heathen on Apr 16, 2017 0:22:24 GMT
I live near Northville it is such a close-knit quaint town... hard to believe it happens here. According to the Free Press, the clinic is in Livonia. Not that it matters much.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 0:35:20 GMT
Why ANY parent would allow their child to be subject to this inhumane procedure is just beyond my comprehension...if your beliefs are that deeply rooted in your homeland, MOVE BACK THERE. And take your crazy with you. Cindy This lady was home and it happened as recently as 1947and there is plenty of information out there that it was a common way, by some Dr, to treat mental illness and lesbianism this way in the west at the turn of the centuary. These women need educating both in the west and their own country rather than tell them to return home for their children to face the same thing.
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