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Post by xhevoice on Jun 13, 2017 6:34:38 GMT
Hi everyone,
I'm new to stamping and am just getting into the loop. I can understand why Hampton Arts pulled their tool as it was just a blue version with a zero centering ruler. However, the WMRK looks like a minor revision of their letterpress & less like the MISTI, so I don't understand why they pulled it, unless sales were not where they expected it to be.
Tim's looks like a cross between the MISTI & WRMK. Not an innovation, just a different twist on an existing design while taking mixed media artists into consideratin, whereas the MISTI seems more geared to cardmakers.
Am I missing something?
Right now I use the Fiskars stamp press for larger stamps, but I haven't managed to set things up to make restamping an image that didn't stamp well the first time. So these stamp presses are interesting, but not enough to pay $100. I wouldn't purchase the $60 MISTI because I work on larger cardstock & watercolor paper.
I ordered a UK magazine subscription that gives the Tonic platform for free with each subscription, but not sure if they will honor that with US subscribers. So, wondering, if I should just DIY something to work with my Fiskars.
what do y'all think?
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jun 13, 2017 7:34:37 GMT
I can't figure out whether you understood that most competitors pulled theirs because of the threat of a suit or not. American Crafts clearly decided not to fight it (for the time being) and had the WRMK stamp press pulled from the US market (but they're now pushing it like crazy in Europe as a result). Tonic Studios appear to be the ones who will take on MSP and possibly set a precedent for the rest of the market. As for the differences and innovations on the TH one, there are plenty of posts in the several conversations mentioned by oaksong in the OP. I recommend the Letter from Tonic re: Tim Holtz Platform thread for several posts comparing the MISTI to the Stamp Platform. As you said yourself, you're a beginner when it comes to stamping and seem content with the Fiskars press which is great for you. For others, myself included, a crisp image, the right and equal amount of ink distribution, use of stamp sets that require a lot of precision to avoid ghosting and off-set printing/shadowing demand a tool that's just right. Some of us have been waiting for a better product than the MISTI to come out and it looks like for quite a few, the TH platform is the answer we've been waiting for. And at a fraction of the cost too. Your $100 estimate is way off the mark if you're getting the TH, try a third of that price. Finally, $35 for a tool that will guarantee a perfect stamping result for people who have several hundreds, often thousands of $ in stamps sitting in their stash waiting to be used is a very sound and wise investment. For a novice who is starting out and trying to get a feel for the craft, the Fiskars press is likely enough until you figure out where you want to go with stamping. However, yes, there are major evolutions taking place in the crafter's stamp press technology at the moment. Read up on older threads if you wish to know more. Most of us have already discussed this at length. ETA: and at around 18 to 21€, the Fiskars stamp press is ridiculously overpriced for what it is in Europe anyway. For less than double the price I can have the TH platform, shipping included. |
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Post by xhevoice on Jun 13, 2017 9:30:44 GMT
I can't figure out whether you understood that most competitors pulled theirs because of the threat of a suit or not. American Crafts clearly decided not to fight it (for the time being) and had the WRMK stamp press pulled from the US market (but they're now pushing it like crazy in Europe as a result). Tonic Studios appear to be the ones who will take on MSP and possibly set a precedent for the rest of the market. As for the differences and innovations on the TH one, there are plenty of posts in the several conversations mentioned by oaksong in the OP. I recommend the Letter from Tonic re: Tim Holtz Platform thread for several posts comparing the MISTI to the Stamp Platform. As you said yourself, you're a beginner when it comes to stamping and seem content with the Fiskars press which is great for you. For others, myself included, a crisp image, the right and equal amount of ink distribution, use of stamp sets that require a lot of precision to avoid ghosting and off-set printing/shadowing demand a tool that's just right. Some of us have been waiting for a better product than the MISTI to come out and it looks like for quite a few, the TH platform is the answer we've been waiting for. And at a fraction of the cost too. Your $100 estimate is way off the mark if you're getting the TH, try a third of that price. Finally, $35 for a tool that will guarantee a perfect stamping result for people who have several hundreds, often thousands of $ in stamps sitting in their stash waiting to be used is a very sound and wise investment. For a novice who is starting out and trying to get a feel for the craft, the Fiskars press is likely enough until you figure out where you want to go with stamping. However, yes, there are major evolutions taking place in the crafter's stamp press technology at the moment. Read up on older threads if you wish to know more. Most of us have already discussed this at length. ETA: and at around 18 to 21€, the Fiskars stamp press is ridiculously overpriced for what it is in Europe anyway. For less than double the price I can have the TH platform, shipping included. Sleepingbooty, The $100 refers to the large MISTI, which it seems is the only prouduct you can purchase in the US, at the present. Don't get it twisted, I may be new to the hobby of stamping in the craft world, but that doesn't make me a novice when it comes to art, graphics, or printing, and as such I have Never had a problem with stamping crisp images. But I have had some issues with indifferent stamps, and have to stamp twice, which is why I am reading these posts. I would never invest thousands in stamps, there are way more precise technologies in place to accomplish better image transferance than hand stamping. Having said that, I do enjoy how organic it is working with stamps, and since this is my hobby and not my profession, I will continue to be judicious in researching and evaluating products before I purchase them, and that is why I posted the question. Your response came across as condescending; I hope that wasn't your intent. Thanks for sharing the link to the other forum post. - |
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Post by ScrapsontheRocks on Jun 13, 2017 9:41:35 GMT
I can't figure out whether you understood that most competitors pulled theirs because of the threat of a suit or not. American Crafts clearly decided not to fight it (for the time being) and had the WRMK stamp press pulled from the US market (but they're now pushing it like crazy in Europe as a result). Tonic Studios appear to be the ones who will take on MSP and possibly set a precedent for the rest of the market. As for the differences and innovations on the TH one, there are plenty of posts in the several conversations mentioned by oaksong in the OP. I recommend the Letter from Tonic re: Tim Holtz Platform thread for several posts comparing the MISTI to the Stamp Platform. As you said yourself, you're a beginner when it comes to stamping and seem content with the Fiskars press which is great for you. For others, myself included, a crisp image, the right and equal amount of ink distribution, use of stamp sets that require a lot of precision to avoid ghosting and off-set printing/shadowing demand a tool that's just right. Some of us have been waiting for a better product than the MISTI to come out and it looks like for quite a few, the TH platform is the answer we've been waiting for. And at a fraction of the cost too. Your $100 estimate is way off the mark if you're getting the TH, try a third of that price. Finally, $35 for a tool that will guarantee a perfect stamping result for people who have several hundreds, often thousands of $ in stamps sitting in their stash waiting to be used is a very sound and wise investment. For a novice who is starting out and trying to get a feel for the craft, the Fiskars press is likely enough until you figure out where you want to go with stamping. However, yes, there are major evolutions taking place in the crafter's stamp press technology at the moment. Read up on older threads if you wish to know more. Most of us have already discussed this at length. ETA: and at around 18 to 21€, the Fiskars stamp press is ridiculously overpriced for what it is in Europe anyway. For less than double the price I can have the TH platform, shipping included. Sleepingbooty, The $100 refers to the large MISTI, which it seems is the only prouduct you can purchase in the US, at the present. Don't get it twisted, I may be new to the hobby of stamping in the craft world, but that doesn't make me a novice when it comes to art, graphics, or printing, and as such I have Never had a problem with stamping crisp images. But I have had some issues with indifferent stamps, and have to stamp twice, which is why I am reading these posts. I would never invest thousands in stamps, there are way more precise technologies in place to accomplish better image transferance than hand stamping. Having said that, I do enjoy how organic it is working with stamps, and since this is my hobby and not my profession, I will continue to be judicious in researching and evaluating products before I purchase them, and that is why I posted the question. Your response came across as condescending; I hope that wasn't your intent. Thanks for sharing the link to the other forum post. - Welcome to the Refupeas- always nice to see a new member. FTR, sleepingbooty is an extremely knowledgeable crafter (not saying you are not) with a lot of knowledge to share. I will stick my neck out and say she definitely didn't intend to be condescending. Again, welcome, see you on the boards. |
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jun 13, 2017 10:55:41 GMT
I would never invest thousands in stamps, there are way more precise technologies in place to accomplish better image transferance than hand stamping. Having said that, I do enjoy how organic it is working with stamps, and since this is my hobby and not my profession, I will continue to be judicious in researching and evaluating products before I purchase them, and that is why I posted the question. Your response came across as condescending; I hope that wasn't your intent. Thanks for sharing the link to the other forum post. - Firstly, my apologies if my post came off as condescending. I typed out half-distracted by work but thought you might enjoy getting the link to the other thread ASAP. Sometimes, the intent feeling gets lost in translation (English is not my mother tongue) or in the process of typing out one's thoughts.  Secondly, I did not mean to (nor do I think I actually did) imply you weren't an experienced crafter. It's such a vast world of genres and subgenres that I don't doubt most people are great crafters in one way or another (if not multiple). You had mentioned being a novice stamper and I picked up on that, trying to lay out where TH's stamp platform comes into play for the stamping community. Confession time: while I'm an avid stamper and love working with them, I'm nowhere near as good as some people on this board! Thirdly, I agree you can get far better results to print images and sentiments with other techniques. However, as with most crafts, it is the process itself that is the source of pleasure and pushes people to pursue the hobby despite the "better" alternatives out there. After all, why scrapbook if you can print a photobook and store your memories for far less money, less hassle and better efficiency?...  I hope you find some answers in the threads compiled by oaksong in the initial post. I'm sure that once more board members have received their Stamp Platform a thread will be created with more in-depth reviews as well. And who knows? You might catch the stamping bug and join us in the more elaborate stamp tool camp.  (just in case you didn't read the news yet: the TH Tonic Studios platform is supposed to come out in the US around mid-July with allegedly as sole modification the ruler) Please, take a seat around here and make yourself at home. It was most definitely not my intent to shoo you away.  |
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jun 13, 2017 11:03:13 GMT
FTR, sleepingbooty is an extremely knowledgeable crafter (not saying you are not) with a lot of knowledge to share. I will stick my neck out and say she definitely didn't intend to be condescending. Again, welcome, see you on the boards. Oh, you... ScrapsontheRocks   I'm an ok crafter. That's all! It's like karaoke: I'm not going to impress a lot of people, zut alors, but I'm still going to keep doing it.  |
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Post by JustTricia on Jun 13, 2017 11:09:29 GMT
I can't figure out whether you understood that most competitors pulled theirs because of the threat of a suit or not. American Crafts clearly decided not to fight it (for the time being) and had the WRMK stamp press pulled from the US market (but they're now pushing it like crazy in Europe as a result). Tonic Studios appear to be the ones who will take on MSP and possibly set a precedent for the rest of the market. As for the differences and innovations on the TH one, there are plenty of posts in the several conversations mentioned by oaksong in the OP. I recommend the Letter from Tonic re: Tim Holtz Platform thread for several posts comparing the MISTI to the Stamp Platform. As you said yourself, you're a beginner when it comes to stamping and seem content with the Fiskars press which is great for you. For others, myself included, a crisp image, the right and equal amount of ink distribution, use of stamp sets that require a lot of precision to avoid ghosting and off-set printing/shadowing demand a tool that's just right. Some of us have been waiting for a better product than the MISTI to come out and it looks like for quite a few, the TH platform is the answer we've been waiting for. And at a fraction of the cost too. Your $100 estimate is way off the mark if you're getting the TH, try a third of that price. Finally, $35 for a tool that will guarantee a perfect stamping result for people who have several hundreds, often thousands of $ in stamps sitting in their stash waiting to be used is a very sound and wise investment. For a novice who is starting out and trying to get a feel for the craft, the Fiskars press is likely enough until you figure out where you want to go with stamping. However, yes, there are major evolutions taking place in the crafter's stamp press technology at the moment. Read up on older threads if you wish to know more. Most of us have already discussed this at length. ETA: and at around 18 to 21€, the Fiskars stamp press is ridiculously overpriced for what it is in Europe anyway. For less than double the price I can have the TH platform, shipping included. Sleepingbooty, The $100 refers to the large MISTI, which it seems is the only prouduct you can purchase in the US, at the present. Don't get it twisted, I may be new to the hobby of stamping in the craft world, but that doesn't make me a novice when it comes to art, graphics, or printing, and as such I have Never had a problem with stamping crisp images. But I have had some issues with indifferent stamps, and have to stamp twice, which is why I am reading these posts. I would never invest thousands in stamps, there are way more precise technologies in place to accomplish better image transferance than hand stamping. Having said that, I do enjoy how organic it is working with stamps, and since this is my hobby and not my profession, I will continue to be judicious in researching and evaluating products before I purchase them, and that is why I posted the question. Your response came across as condescending; I hope that wasn't your intent. Thanks for sharing the link to the other forum post. - All three sizes of the MISTI are available on the United States. I'm not sure why you would say that only the large is available. Even though you wouldn't spend hundreds or thousands on stamps, many other people would. While I agree that's a LOT of money, I have been stamping for twenty years. That's really not a lot of money if you spread it out over that time frame. I would much prefer to work with stamps than printing something. Just my preference. I have had quite a bit of experience in uneven stamping, especially on watercolor paper. I've tried Stamp positioners in the past and have had no luck until buying the Hampton Arts version. I have to disagree that sleepingbooty came off as condescending. I thought your original (and response) post came off as dismissive of those interested in the product. You said yourself you are new to stamping, whether or not you are experienced in other mediums is irrelevant. This product is specifically for stamping, and people's opinions are directly related to that. If restamping an image wasn't a widespread issue, this product and subsequent products wouldn't exist, nor would the multiple threads about the platforms. Obviously it is an interest for a segment of crafters. While I'm happy that you don't seem to have an issue or a need for the product, please don't dismiss the opinions of those of us who do. |
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Post by oaksong on Jun 13, 2017 16:01:08 GMT
I used my new UK-version of the TH/Tonic platform for some projects last weekend. It is a dream to use! The stamp plate (lid) is very heavy, and doesn't shift a bit. I was able to stamp a very thin-lined floral design on textured watercolor paper, and it came out great! I stamped about 4 times for good coverage, and the repeats were perfect.
Hang in there, everyone! Hopefully the US release will roll out soon as expected.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jun 13, 2017 17:02:29 GMT
I used my new UK-version of the TH/Tonic platform for some projects last weekend. It is a dream to use! The stamp plate (lid) is very heavy, and doesn't shift a bit. I was able to stamp a very thin-lined floral design on textured watercolor paper, and it came out great! I stamped about 4 times for good coverage, and the repeats were perfect. Tag you p0rn, please!  *checks parcel tracking for the fourth time today* I can't wait. I can't wait. I can't wait. Come ooooon! UK-France, how hard can it be? That's just a little bit of sea. Get over here already! |
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Post by Mystie on Jun 13, 2017 17:59:37 GMT
I used my new UK-version of the TH/Tonic platform for some projects last weekend. It is a dream to use! The stamp plate (lid) is very heavy, and doesn't shift a bit. I was able to stamp a very thin-lined floral design on textured watercolor paper, and it came out great! I stamped about 4 times for good coverage, and the repeats were perfect. Hang in there, everyone! Hopefully the US release will roll out soon as expected. Mine is supposed to arrive today (I ordered from a UK seller on Ebay) and I am ridiculously excited. |
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Post by anniefb on Jun 13, 2017 21:13:21 GMT
Glad to hear about your experience oaksong. I agree the platform is fabulous - so sturdy and easy to use. Really pleased I ordered one. Hope yours arrives soon sleepingbooty! |
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Post by moraie on Jun 14, 2017 18:52:59 GMT
I got my UK Tonic today! I'm so geeked! I'm heading home to play with it now.  |
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jun 14, 2017 19:05:19 GMT
Everybloodingbody is getting their stamp platform before me! Not fair. I pre-ordered back in April.  Tracking says it's still in international transit. At this stage, it just sounds like my platform decided to take a little trip around the world before heading over to my place. Erm ok, time to end the rumspringa and get to work, dear platform!  |
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Post by anniefb on Jun 14, 2017 19:14:17 GMT
I got my UK Tonic today! I'm so geeked! I'm heading home to play with it now. woohoo moraie enjoy your new toy! |
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Post by anniefb on Jun 14, 2017 19:14:58 GMT
Everybloodingbody is getting their stamp platform before me! Not fair. I pre-ordered back in April. Tracking says it's still in international transit. At this stage, it just sounds like my platform decided to take a little trip around the world before heading over to my place. Erm ok, time to end the rumspringa and get to work, dear platform! Hope it gets to you soon- where on earth could it be? |
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jun 14, 2017 19:44:41 GMT
Hope it gets to you soon- where on earth could it be? (Blindfold + twirl the globe + randomly place finger)/π would be my guess... |
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Jun 14, 2017 20:07:35 GMT
Everybloodingbody is getting their stamp platform before me! Not fair. I pre-ordered back in April. Tracking says it's still in international transit. At this stage, it just sounds like my platform decided to take a little trip around the world before heading over to my place. Erm ok, time to end the rumspringa and get to work, dear platform! Hopefully it has lots of good stories to tell and lots of pretty new stamps in it's passport!! |
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Post by inkedup on Jun 14, 2017 21:25:44 GMT
I apologize if I took it incorrectly. Thank you for letting me know, because it sure felt like one! 😊 Peace, fellow scrapper. The old chestnut "this is pealand" which I used to make the point that stuff happens, perhaps caused stuff to happen. We don't know each other and words on screen do not always convey tone. Add to that the fact that feelings are apparently running high between two camps on this topic and posts are going to be misinterpreted, right? A very smart pea (she knows who she is ) let me know that even though my interest in this matter is intellectual (it seldom happens when my hobby and my old profession come together) and my stance is pretty neutral, I should beware of the fangirls. I am not saying you are one of them, BTW, but according to my correspondent they are not in debate mode. I enjoy a good debate but resented being eyerolled for not reading (?) when the words were right there and apparently not read by that person. Scrap on! Wow. You must have thin skin if an eye roll emoji from me warrants several posts. I'm still rolling my eyes at you. You were the one who clearly misunderstood the situation and came into the thread all high and mighty. "Let's keep it clean, folks." Tonic was being honest. You were confused about distribution and which territories the patent covers and instead accused the company of dishonesty. You misunderstood the situation. Instead of owning your mistake, you've bloviated on and on about eye rolls and my supposed misunderstanding of a situation you clearly did not understand. |
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jun 16, 2017 6:53:57 GMT
Hopefully it has lots of good stories to tell and lots of pretty new stamps in it's passport!! ![:D]() You know, maybe it was being held by Immigration somewhere because it protested a little too much. "Excuse me, sir, sir, I'd like to do the stamping myself. Sir, you don't understand, I'm a professional." According to tracking, MY PLATFORM IS GETTING DELIVERED TODAY! I repeat: it should will be in my hands TODAY!  |
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Post by anniefb on Jun 16, 2017 7:51:45 GMT
Yay sleepingbooty. Let us have your first impressions once it arrives  |
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jun 16, 2017 10:03:23 GMT
It's here, it's here, it's here! (the excitement is real)  I just did a first test in anything but ideal conditions. I placed the stamp platform on top of the box it came in, quickly flipped the platform open, switched the plate to Clear (couldn't have made it easier to switch sides, honestly), placed one of the 3x4 journaling cards I'd brought, quickly positioned the first sentiment, inked it up with the one shade of Distress Oxide I had with me, brought the plate down, repeated for the smaller sentiment ("a weekend getaway") with black StazOn (stamped it twice for that one, should've probably gone for a third time but oh well, c'est la vie). Repeated this with the black StazOn on a Selphy photo with the slick varnish finish (which is nearly mission impossible to properly stamp on due to slipping and sliding). Erm, no problem at all! You will need an extra bar/block magnet to keep the paper in place, especially if it's slippery photo paper, as anniefb suggested. I managed without but it got a bit sticky and tricky for the Selphy photo. This thing is a beast. It stamps incredibly well, repeat-stamps perfectly, is super duper sturdy too. There's no risk of bending the plate, let me tell you: you could probably use it as a murder weapon. "It was the scrapbooker in the conservatory with the Stamp Platform lid." Excuse the poor quality of the photos. I tried to snap them on my phone without drawing attention to myself and in meh lighting. I just couldn't wait until the end of the day to give it a go...    |
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Post by freeatlast on Jun 16, 2017 10:56:45 GMT
Yay, sleepingbooty!!! I just got notification mine hit the US shores and should be delivered early next week. |
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Post by jennyap on Jun 16, 2017 13:02:10 GMT
Gah, I've been reading this thread mainly for the drama, but I'm getting seriously tempted to buy a UK version Tonic. I hardly ever stamp (although I do have quite the collection) and pretty much never make cards any more.
Someone please talk me out of thinking this tool will magically turn me into a stamper!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2017 13:11:24 GMT
Hey, I thought of a tag line for Tim's platform:
If at first you don't ink clean, stamp, stamp again.
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Post by scrapnnana on Jun 16, 2017 13:19:53 GMT
Thanks for posting pictures, sleepingbooty! It looks amazing!
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Post by oaksong on Jun 16, 2017 14:50:13 GMT
Woohoo, sleepingbooty! I'm glad yours finally arrived. Thank for sharing the projects and, yet again, another awesome gif. jennyap, not to try to enable you or anything , but it's a game-changer as far as I'm concerned. I breezed through a bunch of stamps so quickly and easily, like a pro. I love the way you can flip the lid for clear or rubber stamps, too. Then again, don't let anyone here talk you into something you don't need.  We're just here to give our honest opinions. |
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jun 16, 2017 15:14:39 GMT
I just got notification mine hit the US shores and should be delivered early next week. Just enough time to prepare yourself mentally, align all your favourite inks and choose cardstock!  You're going to love it. Thank you! I most certainly will. I'm trying to refrain from stamping every piece of paper available around me at the moment... Someone please talk me out of thinking this tool will magically turn me into a stamper! I want to stamp everything. I want to make cards (although I barely ever send any). I want to find all kinds of excuses to use it... Must. Not. Stamp. On. Every. Photo. In. My. Project. Life. Album. Must. Resist. Yeah, I'm the wrong person to talk you out of the purchase right now. Thanks for posting pictures, sleepingbooty! It looks amazing! My pleasure! It is amazing. So worth the long wait. |
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jun 16, 2017 15:24:46 GMT
Hey, I thought of a tag line for Tim's platform: If at first you don't ink clean, stamp, stamp again. And now I'm listening to Aaliyah while contemplating what to stamp next with a glass of rosé in my hand. Friday post-work break at home couldn't get any better! Woohoo, sleepingbooty! I'm glad yours finally arrived. Thank for sharing the projects and, yet again, another awesome gif. Cheers, lovely!  |
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Jun 16, 2017 17:33:56 GMT
Gah, I've been reading this thread mainly for the drama, but I'm getting seriously tempted to buy a UK version Tonic. I hardly ever stamp (although I do have quite the collection) and pretty much never make cards any more. Someone please talk me out of thinking this tool will magically turn me into a stamper! Nope! It works great for PL cards AND I think it can be used for layouts as well (don't quote me...maybe find some demo videos to confirm and enable you more). LoL! |
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(just in case you didn't read the news yet: the TH Tonic Studios platform is supposed to come out in the US around mid-July with allegedly as sole modification the ruler)
We're just here to give our honest opinions.
You're going to love it.