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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2017 23:10:18 GMT
trump at the news conference. "Appointing a special counsel divides the country."
Ah president tiny hands are you implying the country wasn't divided before the appointment of the special counsel and if so what just country are you living in?
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2017 23:11:58 GMT
Nope he isn't going to stop tweeting... "With all of the illegal acts that took place in the Clinton campaign & Obama Administration, there was never a special councel appointed!" "This is the single greatest witch hunt of a politician in American history!" So now he's calling himself a politician? I thought he prided himself on NOT being one. Good point. I missed that.
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Post by hollymolly on May 18, 2017 23:32:04 GMT
trump at the news conference. "Appointing a special counsel divides the country." Ah president tiny hands are you implying the country wasn't divided before the appointment of the special counsel and if so what just country are you living in? Um, it does just the opposite. Both sides should be expecting the Special Counsel to prove them right. We are united in our belief that the truth will out, even if we believe the truth to be two different things. I don't understand not wanting an investigation. I was fully in favor of the Benghazi and email investgations, especially because I believed Clinton would be exonerated.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 19, 2017 2:32:32 GMT
Nope he isn't going to stop tweeting... "With all of the illegal acts that took place in the Clinton campaign & Obama Administration, there was never a special councel appointed!" "This is the single greatest witch hunt of a politician in American history!"
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2017 3:59:57 GMT
From NBC news..... "Interesting timing. The Vice President filed FEC paperwork yesterday for his own PAC:" It appears somebody thinks trump isn't going to survive scandals etc.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2017 14:21:06 GMT
From the Daily Beast....
"Vice President Mike Pence is reportedly worn down by all of Trump's controversy"
Oh poor baby. It's not like there weren't signs that this would happen before hand. That's what happens when you let the shiny object called "power" cloud your judgement. So now suck it up buttercup.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2017 14:34:42 GMT
From trump..
"Getting ready for my big foreign trip. Will be strongly protecting American interests - that's what I like to do!"
Dear president tiny hands, we don't need you to protect our interests, we just need you not to embarrass this country on foreign soil.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2017 15:53:04 GMT
From George Takei...
"So let me get this straight. Pence is in charge of the Trump transition, but WH Counsel doesn't tell him Flynn's under FBI investigation?"
Not buying for a second that Pence didn't know.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2017 21:19:23 GMT
Senator Chris Murohy....
"Let's be crystal clear here: @potus is reportedly going to stop payments to insurers to intentionally cause millions to lose insurance."
Such a petty petty man. Can't get what he wants so he hurts others. A lot of those others are those who voted for him. Who practice a new term I read about yesterday called "motivated ignorance". As someone explained it "I don't want to feel that he's not doing what he said, so I just choose not to listen".
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2017 5:23:15 GMT
Bill Kristol..
The Land of But But...Hillary. But...Obama. But...unmasking. But...the media. But...elites. But...deep state. But...the will of the people.
He has a point.
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Post by ScrapsontheRocks on May 20, 2017 6:07:08 GMT
I do not want to start a thread but I am asking the political thread reading peas for input, please: is 45 known for his intense loyalty? In his prior business life? Please bear with me as I imperfectly formulate this and ask my real Q towards the end of the post, and TIA.
As I see it (pure opinion, so my mind is open to your input) 45 is the narcissistic "sell his grandmother" type. He loved all his wives until he didn't. He loves his children not-so-equally. He still phones his old buddies for advice but possibly primarily to hear his views echoed. Am I off base?
The real Q: why the intense loyalty to Flynn unless it is founded in self-interest and the desire to deflect?
Over the last two breaking news days I saw 45 (in the news conference with Colombia, IIRC) deny any collusion from the campaign but still hedge that he could only speak for himself, indicating a willingness to drop others in it if evidence comes to light. Last night's coverage (on CNN, I know, I know...) covering the Comey memos (if authentic) spoke about his loyalty to Flynn- appointing him against advice, keeping him for an additional 18 days, prompting Comey to back off and so on. What say the Peas?
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on May 20, 2017 13:00:16 GMT
I do not want to start a thread but I am asking the political thread reading peas for input, please: is 45 known for his intense loyalty? In his prior business life? Please bear with me as I imperfectly formulate this and ask my real Q towards the end of the post, and TIA. As I see it (pure opinion, so my mind is open to your input) 45 is the narcissistic "sell his grandmother" type. He loved all his wives until he didn't. He loves his children not-so-equally. He still phones his old buddies for advice but possibly primarily to hear his views echoed. Am I off base? The real Q: why the intense loyalty to Flynn unless it is founded in self-interest and the desire to deflect? Over the last two breaking news days I saw 45 (in the news conference with Colombia, IIRC) deny any collusion from the campaign but still hedge that he could only speak for himself, indicating a willingness to drop others in it if evidence comes to light. Last night's coverage (on CNN, I know, I know...) covering the Comey memos (if authentic) spoke about his loyalty to Flynn- appointing him against advice, keeping him for an additional 18 days, prompting Comey to back off and so on. What say the Peas? Good questions. I agree that the president's loyalty is hard to parse. I've read that his fierce loyalty to Mike Flynn can be attributed to the fact that MF supported Mr. Trump's candidacy back when many Republicans didn't (as did Jeff Sessions). So, not surprisingly, the loyalty has Trump Ego connections. I suspect the loyalty and regret displayed when the president had to fire MF is also tied to ego. At the time, it was clear that the president was absolutely consumed by anger over leaks and criticisms about the issue, and I think that rage helped bolster his defense of MF. The president was essentially defending himself and his choices. Quite the "How dare you all..." theme, and much flattery of Mike Flynn, in a tone that made it seem that Flynn had a right to feel aggrieved. Just my take. As these investigations progress, it'll be fascinating to see how/if the president maintains loyalty for stalwart loyalists, especially if their presence literally threatens his presidency. In the meantime, the president musing that he'd like to hire Mike Flynn again after the investigation is just another indication that even his delusions are ultimately fueled by ego. And right there, that's the fundamental problem with this presidency. All roads - the reluctance to learn, the impulsivity, the insults, the willingness to "flip" after flattery, the fierce loyalty - lead back to his collassaly outsized ego.
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Post by imsirius on May 20, 2017 13:22:24 GMT
Trump's ghost writer, who was with him 18 hrs a day for more than 2 years, stated that the only loyalty Trump has is to himself.
He cannot love. He cannot empathize or sympathize. He has no conscience. He described him as "if he doesn't benefit, he doesn't care".
That should shed some light. Trump must need Flynn for something (connection to Putin perhaps?) or else he wouldn't give a flying crap.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on May 20, 2017 14:58:29 GMT
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Post by femalebusiness on May 20, 2017 15:30:30 GMT
I think that Flynn can put Trump or his son-in-law away if he tells all. That is the only reason trump keeps defending him. Not loyalty but self-preservation.
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Post by used2scrap on May 20, 2017 15:52:41 GMT
I do not want to start a thread but I am asking the political thread reading peas for input, please: is 45 known for his intense loyalty? In his prior business life? Please bear with me as I imperfectly formulate this and ask my real Q towards the end of the post, and TIA. As I see it (pure opinion, so my mind is open to your input) 45 is the narcissistic "sell his grandmother" type. He loved all his wives until he didn't. He loves his children not-so-equally. He still phones his old buddies for advice but possibly primarily to hear his views echoed. Am I off base? The real Q: why the intense loyalty to Flynn unless it is founded in self-interest and the desire to deflect? Over the last two breaking news days I saw 45 (in the news conference with Colombia, IIRC) deny any collusion from the campaign but still hedge that he could only speak for himself, indicating a willingness to drop others in it if evidence comes to light. Last night's coverage (on CNN, I know, I know...) covering the Comey memos (if authentic) spoke about his loyalty to Flynn- appointing him against advice, keeping him for an additional 18 days, prompting Comey to back off and so on. What say the Peas? Good questions. I agree that the president's loyalty is hard to parse. I've read that his fierce loyalty to Mike Flynn can be attributed to the fact that MF supported Mr. Trump's candidacy back when many Republicans didn't (as did Jeff Sessions). So, not surprisingly, the loyalty has Trump Ego connections. I suspect the loyalty and regret displayed when the president had to fire MF is also tied to ego. At the time, it was clear that the president was absolutely consumed by anger over leaks and criticisms about the issue, and I think that rage helped bolster his defense of MF. The president was essentially defending himself and his choices. Quite the "How dare you all..." theme, and much flattery of Mike Flynn, in a tone that made it seem that Flynn had a right to feel aggrieved. Just my take. As these investigations progress, it'll be fascinating to see how/if the president maintains loyalty for stalwart loyalists, especially if their presence literally threatens his presidency. In the meantime, the president musing that he'd like to hire Mike Flynn again after the investigation is just another indication that even his delusions are ultimately fueled by ego. And right there, that's the fundamental problem with this presidency. All roads - the reluctance to learn, the impulsivity, the insults, the willingness to "flip" after flattery, the fierce loyalty - lead back to his collassaly outsized ego. Not that I'd ever want to defend Trump, but even Pres Obama ended up having Gen McChrystal back in his administration after his very public firing. Then again there was no investigation though!
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2017 16:03:16 GMT
From donald trump 9/10/14
"Tell Saudi Arabia and others that we want (demand!) free oil for the next ten years or we will not protect their private Boeing 747s.Pay up!"
I wonder if he is asking for the free oil on this trip?
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Post by flute4peace on May 20, 2017 16:04:50 GMT
I think that Flynn can put Trump or his son-in-law away if he tells all. That is the only reason trump keeps defending him. Not loyalty but self-preservation. Agree. Flynn's got the dirt on Trump & he knows it.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2017 16:06:28 GMT
I agree with the scenario that trump's loyalty toward Flynn is because of the support he received from him during the campaign.
Or Flynn could have something on trump and trump knows it. Especially after Flynn asked for immunity.
In other words who knows.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2017 16:10:20 GMT
From Phillip Rucker - Washington Post..
"Saudi foreign minister borrows a Trump phrase to say stronger US ties can "drain the swamps from which extremism and terrorism emanates."
Coming from the Saudis that is just as funny as when trump said it. And just as meaningless.
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Post by pyccku on May 20, 2017 16:53:52 GMT
I don't think Trump is particularly loyal to anyone.
In this way, it's kind of ironic that he got sucked into the Russian mire. The Russians have always been self-serving (or at least their leadership has). They will say whatever it takes, sign whatever agreements, make whatever alliances - so long as it fits their needs. And the second it doesn't meet those needs, they will drop the agreement or alliance or friendship. No apologies, the alliance is just over.
Trump is the same sort of person. He's a great friend, a kind and jovial guy, very happy to meet you and do business. But his business isn't YOUR business - it's his business alone. He's not looking for a win-win. He's looking for a deal that benefits him, and whatever the outcome for you is inconsequential. And if it no longer suits him to do business with you, he'll drop you like a hot potato.
So the Russians really are made for each other. The only problem is that Trump really thought he could outfox them. Maybe he thought they were negotiating in good faith, maybe not. But he really thought he was going to come out on top of this deal. He doesn't realize that his 50 years of deal-making have generally been deals with people lower on the totem pole, people who lack the resources to hold him accountable. The Russians aren't lower than him. They are also much better at planning ahead than Trump.
So for Trump to be loyal to Flynn, either Flynn did something for him that Trump truly appreciates - or he could do something that would really hurt him. It's also possible for both of these to be true.
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Post by PLurker on May 21, 2017 4:56:59 GMT
I hope he doesn't jinx it by saying it "out loud". Before 45 decided to bless us with himself as POTUS candidate, I read a bunch about him and an article with his ghost-writer was one of them-I say ghost writer as trump really just hired a writer and had little to no input. The man did seem to have a clear view of 45 and it was not at all flattering and helped in my continual downward spiral opinion of the all-about-me-and-only-me man. He is some piece of work.
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Post by ScrapsontheRocks on May 21, 2017 4:58:43 GMT
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Post by anonrefugee on May 21, 2017 10:27:39 GMT
The Trumpkins have picked up the persecution cry ... my uncle posted this gem on FB a bit ago: Apparently this guy was in a coma during the entire Obama administration. And Bush, Carter, Clinton ... I've seen this comment on Facebook too. Do they really not have any memory?
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Post by mollycoddle on May 21, 2017 10:40:54 GMT
My readings suggest that Trump is loyal to Trump, and by extension, to anyone who makes him look good.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 17:05:41 GMT
Phillip Rucker Washington Post.
"Sec State Tillerson is holding a news conference right now in Riyadh, per WH pool, but US reporters were not invited or told about it."
The pettiness of the trump administration is unbelievable.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 17:11:44 GMT
CNN...
"Trump: "Every country in the region has an absolute duty to ensure that no terrorist find sanctuary on their soil”
Yea good luck with that. It's clear neither he or his advisers understand the Middle East any better than the rest of the West.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 17:16:37 GMT
New York Times...
"Erdogan says he will extend his sweeping rule over Turkey nyti.ms/2rFyURJ"
Well that sweeping rule does not apply to folks in the United States. The lack of a meaningful response from the trump administration about the behavior of the Erdogan security guards outside the Turkish Embassy is yet another embarrassment for this country.
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