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Post by inkedup on May 4, 2017 16:52:23 GMT
I think someone too anxious and fragile to watch a simulation that they know is fake has no business behind the wheel. Wow. I hope you never have a child (or family member) with anxiety. My daughter is an "old soul", she cares deeply and has a soft heart. She literally "feels" people. As in physically. She has horrific, horrific dreams that have wreaked havoc on her ability to function in her senior year. Yes, she is under the care of a physician. Yes, she works hard to overcome it. No, she is not a snowflake. No, she's not "fragile". She's a normal human being who's brain just happens to be wired a little differently than yours or mine.
Putting her in this situation would be like throwing a young child off a boat in the middle of the lake with no life jacket, so that they can experience what it might be like if they ever fell out of the boat with no life jacket. x200. I would much rather give my child swimming lessons so that if they ever did happen to fall out of the boat, they would have a chance of survival.
ETA to try to explain better: This would not really impact her actual ability to drive without fear. That's not the part that would upset her. It would be all of the emotion and trauma that she would take on that would haunt her for a while and could require additional counseling and/or doctor visits. She's fine with driving.
I guess you have to closely monitor what your daughter sees on television and in the movies, too, since she is so easily upset? If my son turns out to be exceptionally sensitive and yes, fragile, then we will do our best to help him learn to live in the world in spite of that. We will not expect the world to bend to his idiosyncrasies and sensitivities. And, if he is so emotionally fragile that he cannot handle watching things that upset him THAT HE KNOWS ARE PRETEND, then I would not consider allowing him to drive while under my roof. For his safety and the safety of everyone else on the road. You can't have it both ways. You want all these special concessions for "sensitive" children, but you don't want to consider the impact those "sensitivities" have on others. ETA: this assembly isn't being shown to children. It's for young adults. 16 - 18 year olds.
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Post by iowgirl on May 4, 2017 16:55:43 GMT
In order to teach a lesson, they traumatized two grades worth of teenagers. You want trauma. Have this happen in real life. Have school cancelled for a day so everyone can go to a real funeral. That is trauma. This is a lesson, and if not taken lightly - maybe they won't have to go to that real funeral. Those suck. A lot.
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Post by MizIndependent on May 4, 2017 16:59:38 GMT
I think it's insane to spring this on kids and families.... portlandtribune.com/en/30-news/110800-drunk-driving-invades-estacada-high-schoolAbove is an article about the program. I'm sorry....but assuming that every student in the student body can handle this....that none of them have lost someone that way, or have been in a dramatic accident, or that they are all in an emotionally stable place to begin with so that they can process this in a healthy way is bullshit. Personally, I think it's way better to shock the hell out of them with a fake accident scene (graphic as it may be) than for them to use poor judgement thinking it could never happen to them and have them go through the real deal. It is shocking, for a reason. I'm sorry you were taken by surprise and upset by it but the truth is, teens often need this kind of shock to drive the point home. Guaranteed that even this wasn't enough and before the year is out at least one of your students will still be involved in a drunk driving or similar accident.
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Post by alexa11 on May 4, 2017 17:07:58 GMT
Back in the day-like over 40 yrs ago- we watched "Death on the Highway" in Driver's Ed.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2017 17:10:10 GMT
I missed the article linked the first time reading the thread, but this quote:
Prom went very smoothly,' Principal Scott Sullivan said. 'Talking to a number of kids afterward ... it had a huge impact on them and really made them think.
'I don't know if there's a tangible product of having them come here, but any time a student takes an extra minute or second to think about their choices and the impact they have, it's great. If one kid makes a better decision then it's worth it.'
this is why programs like this are important.
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Post by likescarrots on May 4, 2017 17:16:32 GMT
I think these are great programs and hopefully will save some lives. BUT I also believe that parents should be given notice that this would be taking place and have the chance to opt their child out. They know their child best and if they could handle seeing something like that. Personally, I would opt my DD out, she is 19 and finishing her freshman year of college, but she still doesn't have her drivers license because of anxiety issues. If she were to see something so graphic it would ensure that she never got behind the wheel of a car. Ever. A few months ago I ran into a friend and her DD who is a high school senior. Mom was telling me her DD doesn't drive either. Why? Because her school did the graphic reenactment when she was a sophomore (without parental notice) and while she did walk away halfway through, it upset her to the point that she doesn't drive and was in tears talking about it two years later. Not every young person is emotionally equipped to handle seeing something like that. It doesn't make them special snowflakes like it has been suggested. Some kids are just sensitive to things like that. if your daughter is 19 and that anxious about driving, she does not BELONG behind the wheel of a car.
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Post by happiest.raincloud on May 4, 2017 17:24:52 GMT
I live in Portland, right next door to an elementary school/park that has become a popular hangout for teens on Friday and Saturday night. Just last weekend, we witnessed a crowd of about 50 teens drinking, smoking weed, fighting, urinating on the play structures, tipping garbage cans, spray painting on the walls, and shattering vodka and whiskey bottles on the sidewalk.
All the neighbors called the police but this went on for nearly 2 hours before they showed up to break up the party.
When the party broke up, kids climbed into their cars and scattered. There were at least 2 cars that rear-ended others trying to make their escape. These were BMW's and Mercedes so I very much wonder what their parents think happened. I certainly hope that every single one of these teens gets to view that drunk driving demonstration at whatever high school they attend.
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Post by inkedup on May 4, 2017 17:26:09 GMT
I live in Portland, right next door to an elementary school/park that has become a popular hangout for teens on Friday and Saturday night. Just last weekend, we witnessed a crowd of about 50 teens drinking, smoking weed, fighting, urinating on the play structures, tipping garbage cans, spray painting on the walls, and shattering vodka and whiskey bottles on the sidewalk. All the neighbors called the police but this went on for nearly 2 hours before they showed up to break up the party. When the party broke up, kids climbed into their cars and scattered. There were at least 2 cars that rear-ended others trying to make their escape. These were BMW's and Mercedes so I very much wonder what their parents think happened. I certainly hope that every single one of these teens gets to view that drunk driving demonstration at whatever high school they attend. The police allowed them to drive away with broken bottles of alcohol strewn about?
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Post by compeateropeator on May 4, 2017 17:27:14 GMT
I guess I have an issue with it being a parental right to opt your kid out of something like sex education or the study of evolution but you can't opt them out of this program if you think it will mentally and/or physically affect them. What makes this learning program any different? Some kids do not need to see this program and their parents should be able to make that decision if they are still in high school.
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Post by MizIndependent on May 4, 2017 17:41:23 GMT
I live in Portland, right next door to an elementary school/park that has become a popular hangout for teens on Friday and Saturday night. Just last weekend, we witnessed a crowd of about 50 teens drinking, smoking weed, fighting, urinating on the play structures, tipping garbage cans, spray painting on the walls, and shattering vodka and whiskey bottles on the sidewalk. All the neighbors called the police but this went on for nearly 2 hours before they showed up to break up the party. When the party broke up, kids climbed into their cars and scattered. There were at least 2 cars that rear-ended others trying to make their escape. These were BMW's and Mercedes so I very much wonder what their parents think happened. I certainly hope that every single one of these teens gets to view that drunk driving demonstration at whatever high school they attend. The police allowed them to drive away with broken bottles of alcohol strewn about? Sounds like the kids bolted before or as the cops were pulling up.
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Post by happiest.raincloud on May 4, 2017 17:44:24 GMT
I live in Portland, right next door to an elementary school/park that has become a popular hangout for teens on Friday and Saturday night. Just last weekend, we witnessed a crowd of about 50 teens drinking, smoking weed, fighting, urinating on the play structures, tipping garbage cans, spray painting on the walls, and shattering vodka and whiskey bottles on the sidewalk. All the neighbors called the police but this went on for nearly 2 hours before they showed up to break up the party. When the party broke up, kids climbed into their cars and scattered. There were at least 2 cars that rear-ended others trying to make their escape. These were BMW's and Mercedes so I very much wonder what their parents think happened. I certainly hope that every single one of these teens gets to view that drunk driving demonstration at whatever high school they attend. The police allowed them to drive away with broken bottles of alcohol strewn about? The 2 police cars / 4 officers weren't much of a match for the group. From what I saw they stopped at least one car but I don't know what else happened. This is a weekly occurrence though, enough that we are now a designated "hot zone" during the summer months for extra patrols. In the meantime, I walk down with my broom and a paper sack every Sunday morning so I can clean up the glass before any of the small neighborhood kids come to play.
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Post by bc2ca on May 4, 2017 17:50:28 GMT
Out of curiosity, does anyone know if there is empirical evidence that this program works? I ask in large part because the shock-tactic 80s drug-education programs didn't, at all.I have no objection to this sort of thing if it works. I remember seeing autopsy films in ninth-grade health class, and the gruesomeness of those films (where the autopsies were performed, eg, on heavy smokers) really did stick in my head during a period in my life where I was more likely to make bad choices than I would be now. Still, I understand (after having to deal with a lot of horrifying footage and photos when I was a criminal defense attorney) that looking at violence and death is genuinely disturbing, and I don't necessarily want to inflict that on teens unless there is actual evidence that this program reduces drunk driving. I've wondered about this, too, and can't find any good information other than this: DS's school had the assembly last year and we weren't given any notice. It had been presented at surrounding schools often enough that kids knew immediately what was going on. I still think it is a worthwhile program for the discussions it starts and I'm quite honestly amazed that with the number of people involved word doesn't leak out ahead of time that it is happening. SaveSave
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Post by inkedup on May 4, 2017 17:51:57 GMT
The police allowed them to drive away with broken bottles of alcohol strewn about? The 2 police cars / 4 officers weren't much of a match for the group. From what I saw they stopped at least one car but I don't know what else happened. This is a weekly occurrence though, enough that we are now a designated "hot zone" during the summer months for extra patrols. In the meantime, I walk down with my broom and a paper sack every Sunday morning so I can clean up the glass before any of the small neighborhood kids come to play. It's really nice of you to make sure the play area is safe for the neighborhood children. I was at the park with my son the other day and nearly cut my foot on a jagged piece of a beer bottle that was sticking out of the wood chips. I wasn't questioning the truth of your post, btw, I was questioning the way the police handled this ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/MNrJDkDuSwqIMVw33MdD.jpg) I just realized it might have sounded that way.
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Post by flute4peace on May 4, 2017 18:01:37 GMT
Wow. I hope you never have a child (or family member) with anxiety. My daughter is an "old soul", she cares deeply and has a soft heart. She literally "feels" people. As in physically. She has horrific, horrific dreams that have wreaked havoc on her ability to function in her senior year. Yes, she is under the care of a physician. Yes, she works hard to overcome it. No, she is not a snowflake. No, she's not "fragile". She's a normal human being who's brain just happens to be wired a little differently than yours or mine.
Putting her in this situation would be like throwing a young child off a boat in the middle of the lake with no life jacket, so that they can experience what it might be like if they ever fell out of the boat with no life jacket. x200. I would much rather give my child swimming lessons so that if they ever did happen to fall out of the boat, they would have a chance of survival.
ETA to try to explain better: This would not really impact her actual ability to drive without fear. That's not the part that would upset her. It would be all of the emotion and trauma that she would take on that would haunt her for a while and could require additional counseling and/or doctor visits. She's fine with driving.
I guess you have to closely monitor what your daughter sees on television and in the movies, too, since she is so easily upset? If my son turns out to be exceptionally sensitive and yes, fragile, then we will do our best to help him learn to live in the world in spite of that. We will not expect the world to bend to his idiosyncrasies and sensitivities. And, if he is so emotionally fragile that he cannot handle watching things that upset him THAT HE KNOWS ARE PRETEND, then I would not consider allowing him to drive while under my roof. For his safety and the safety of everyone else on the road. You can't have it both ways. You want all these special concessions for "sensitive" children, but you don't want to consider the impact those "sensitivities" have on others. I'm apparently not explaining myself well enough. Hopefully more information will help.
I guess you have to closely monitor what your daughter sees on television and in the movies, too, since she is so easily upset? Not at all. She's perfectly capable of doing that herself. She's a big fan of Law & Order. Doesn't care for COPS since it's real life but it wouldn't traumatize her or anything. She'd just walk away if she needed to.
If my son turns out to be exceptionally sensitive and yes, fragile, then we will do our best to help him learn to live in the world in spite of that. We will not expect the world to bend to his idiosyncrasies and sensitivities.
She IS able to live in the world in spite of her anxiety. And she does a darn good job of it. She knows her limits and what she can and can't take. If she knew this was coming and had time to prepare, she may be fine with it (she's been ok participating in EM drills in the past). And if that were the case, we would absolutely stay hands-off about exempting her from the program. The key phrase is "if she had time to prepare". But since we are responsible for her well-being, and this was to go off without warning for her, yes we would exempt her, or ask for permission to tell her about it the night before/morning of. Likewise, if it had gone off without her or us knowing, yes we would be upset, because we would be dealing with the aftermath.
And, if he is so emotionally fragile that he cannot handle watching things that upset him THAT HE KNOWS ARE PRETEND, then I would not consider allowing him to drive while under my roof. For his safety and the safety of everyone else on the road.
In her case the two are completely unrelated. Her reaction would have very little to do with the fact that there was a staged accident scene, she's very practical about things like that (she'd think it was gross and not want to look, just like most of them). She handled the driver's ed videos better than I did at that age. Her reaction would have everything to do with those around her and how THEY are reacting. Because while the scene itself is staged, the reactions to it will be very real. If she were viewing it on her own, she would be fine. But in a large group of emotional people, it overwhelms her. Here's an example: Last week a classmate of hers died due to an acute asthma attack. Of course we were all very saddened to hear the news, but she reacted appropriately and was fine. Until she went to school the next day where everyone was grieving (as well they should be) and she couldn't handle it. Her text to me was "I'm, not doing so well, I can FEEL everyone". With some fresh air she ended up staying at school and being ok, but her dreams have escalated this past week. The only reason for her not to be driving would be fatigue due to the dreams, in which case she would be smart and tell us.
You can't have it both ways. You want all these special concessions for "sensitive" children, but you don't want to consider the impact those "sensitivities" have on others. No, not at all. I have never said that. I actually support these programs (and have said that in this thread) and I would never ask them to cancel the program or whatever just on account of her. She wouldn't want that at all and would be mortified if I tried. Her "sensitivities" as you call them* would have no impact whatsoever on the other students participating. What WOULD be impacted is her well-being, and those of us around her who would have to deal with the fall-out. I don't want, nor would ask for, "all these special concessions". But in this case it would be appropriate to ask for a consideration of her situation.
* She has always been highly sensory, even as a child. Loud noises, bright lights, smells, rooms full of people would overwhelm her, which when she was little caused melt-downs, now as she's older it manifests itself in anxiety. She also has synesthesia, which plays a part in the sensory overload. That kid can smell, hear, just *sense* things around us that you or I would never pick up on. It's a real thing and if you've never been around someone with it, you wouldn't understand. She's come a heck of a long way as she's grown up and 99% of the time she's a normal 17 yr old. But this and the anxiety are always lurking and she (and we) know her limits. It's a physical thing, built into the wiring of her brain, not just something she/we can "toughen up".
She's far from a snowflake that's grown up in a closet.
I should also add that we have two other children, one older and one younger. We would have no problem with the two of them attending the program.
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Post by flute4peace on May 4, 2017 18:04:26 GMT
I live in Portland, right next door to an elementary school/park that has become a popular hangout for teens on Friday and Saturday night. Just last weekend, we witnessed a crowd of about 50 teens drinking, smoking weed, fighting, urinating on the play structures, tipping garbage cans, spray painting on the walls, and shattering vodka and whiskey bottles on the sidewalk. All the neighbors called the police but this went on for nearly 2 hours before they showed up to break up the party. When the party broke up, kids climbed into their cars and scattered. There were at least 2 cars that rear-ended others trying to make their escape. These were BMW's and Mercedes so I very much wonder what their parents think happened. I certainly hope that every single one of these teens gets to view that drunk driving demonstration at whatever high school they attend. The police allowed them to drive away with broken bottles of alcohol strewn about? Wouldn't surprise me. Here they give MIPs to the ones they can catch, but most get away.
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Post by finaledition on May 4, 2017 18:24:20 GMT
Our school does The EVery Fifteen Minutes program every other year. It's very involved and I think the only parents notified are the ones who are directly involved with the program. By far this is the best program that the school does. I whole heartedly support this. My kids are pretty good and at this time don't drink, but this program will affect their decisions for years to come.
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Post by scrapsotime on May 4, 2017 18:30:29 GMT
Back in the day-like over 40 yrs ago- we watched "Death on the Highway" in Driver's Ed. We had to watch that, too. I can only imagine the reaction here if kids were still watching movies of real accidents.
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Post by 950nancy on May 4, 2017 18:33:10 GMT
I think all high school juniors and seniors should have to see a program like this. You shouldn't be able to opt out a child of something that they will encounter in their lifetime. Not only does it make kids think twice, but it also helps prepare them for coming up on accidents and being able to cope better. I believe it will make your child stronger in the end. Please don't shield your kids from real life. I don't think all kids should have to get up close to what they are seeing, but they should be involved in hearing the information and seeing the images (even from behind closed fingers).
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Post by MizIndependent on May 4, 2017 18:36:35 GMT
In case anyone is curious, here's a video from a presentation done in 2012 by Oregon Impact (same group as OP cited):
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Post by leftturnonly on May 4, 2017 18:37:12 GMT
I think it's insane to spring this on kids and families.... portlandtribune.com/en/30-news/110800-drunk-driving-invades-estacada-high-schoolAbove is an article about the program. I'm sorry....but assuming that every student in the student body can handle this....that none of them have lost someone that way, or have been in a dramatic accident, or that they are all in an emotionally stable place to begin with so that they can process this in a healthy way is bullshit. When I was in school, girls weren't even allowed to see a movie about menstruation without parental consent. Schools allow opt-out for all kinds of things - such as vaccinations - that are otherwise mandatory. I don't see why parents weren't at the minimum informed first, and at the most, given the opportunity to opt-out their children who had a legitimate reason for not being included. I was part of a drill of a pretend downed airplane as a kid. It wasn't as graphic as what your school did, but it was interesting. I bet the kids' attention was riveted!
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Post by cycworker on May 4, 2017 18:43:23 GMT
Out of curiosity, does anyone know if there is empirical evidence that this program works? I ask in large part because the shock-tactic 80s drug-education programs didn't, at all. I have no objection to this sort of thing if it works. I remember seeing autopsy films in ninth-grade health class, and the gruesomeness of those films (where the autopsies were performed, eg, on heavy smokers) really did stick in my head during a period in my life where I was more likely to make bad choices than I would be now. Still, I understand (after having to deal with a lot of horrifying footage and photos when I was a criminal defense attorney) that looking at violence and death is genuinely disturbing, and I don't necessarily want to inflict that on teens unless there is actual evidence that this program reduces drunk driving. Thank you. This is the crux of the issue. these programs are no different than the 80's anti - drug programs. They emphatically do NOT work, just as the war on drugs, just say no programs didn't/don't. I think some confuse this program with harm reduction strategies. This is NOT harm reduction.
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Post by pondrunner on May 4, 2017 18:50:53 GMT
Wow. I hope you never have a child (or family member) with anxiety. My daughter is an "old soul", she cares deeply and has a soft heart. She literally "feels" people. As in physically. She has horrific, horrific dreams that have wreaked havoc on her ability to function in her senior year. Yes, she is under the care of a physician. Yes, she works hard to overcome it. No, she is not a snowflake. No, she's not "fragile". She's a normal human being who's brain just happens to be wired a little differently than yours or mine.
Putting her in this situation would be like throwing a young child off a boat in the middle of the lake with no life jacket, so that they can experience what it might be like if they ever fell out of the boat with no life jacket. x200. I would much rather give my child swimming lessons so that if they ever did happen to fall out of the boat, they would have a chance of survival.
ETA to try to explain better: This would not really impact her actual ability to drive without fear. That's not the part that would upset her. It would be all of the emotion and trauma that she would take on that would haunt her for a while and could require additional counseling and/or doctor visits. She's fine with driving.
I guess you have to closely monitor what your daughter sees on television and in the movies, too, since she is so easily upset? If my son turns out to be exceptionally sensitive and yes, fragile, then we will do our best to help him learn to live in the world in spite of that. We will not expect the world to bend to his idiosyncrasies and sensitivities. And, if he is so emotionally fragile that he cannot handle watching things that upset him THAT HE KNOWS ARE PRETEND, then I would not consider allowing him to drive while under my roof. For his safety and the safety of everyone else on the road. You can't have it both ways. You want all these special concessions for "sensitive" children, but you don't want to consider the impact those "sensitivities" have on others. ETA: this assembly isn't being shown to children. It's for young adults. 16 - 18 year olds. I think you are taking this further than it needs to go. I am 48 years old. I cannot handle some of the content on TV even if it is pretend. Plane crashes, dog attacks, car accidents in gory detail I can't really handle those well. They create small obsessions in my mind and because of my highly visual memory stick around for a long time, cause nightmares, are generally difficult for me. I have been driving for 32 years and am a good driver with experience in a wide variety of situations. However, visual representation of serious injury and death are upsetting to me. Grays Anatomy is an example of a show I can't watch, it is too gory for me with some of its plot lines. It would be expected in my opinion that some of those much younger than I with less developed emotional skills by simple virtual of age would have challenges with same. Especially those for whom trauma is a reality. I am often surprised to see how little sensitivity some have to the emotional makeup of another person.
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Post by quiltz on May 4, 2017 18:57:05 GMT
cycworker It would be difficult to obtain such empirical evidence, as there really isn't a way to garner such evidence. It can be measured in the decrease of fatal collisions involving a certain age group. I can state that yes, the death of my child, the entire court process and the many discussions did cause caution and a reduction of fatality due to car collisions. For me and my family and the 1,000 people (yes someone did do a count) at her funeral, it was a time for both adults and youth to take a time-out from life and view the very most horrible thing that could happen to them and their families. There was reflection on a young life taken far too soon. The kids were mindful that there was an empty desk in the classroom and that at the graduation walk, when her name was called, she didn't walk to accept her diploma. VERY REAL Some of her friends who I see do tell me (& I have heard of other conversations) that they still cannot believe what had happened. IF ONLY ONE PERSON IS HINDERED, then yes, there is evidence that this was worth the time & effort. If I recall correctly, you don't have any children. It is very different when you are in the actual living day to day than rather on the benches. Edited to add: I am leaving this post now. This is a very emotional and personal issue for me. I get that having real life suddenly forced into face is extremely difficult, but please try to remember those of us who didn't have a choice when this happened to them.
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Post by leftturnonly on May 4, 2017 19:05:11 GMT
I think all high school juniors and seniors should have to see a program like this. You shouldn't be able to opt out a child of something that they will encounter in their lifetime. Not only does it make kids think twice, but it also helps prepare them for coming up on accidents and being able to cope better. I believe it will make your child stronger in the end. Please don't shield your kids from real life. I don't think all kids should have to get up close to what they are seeing, but they should be involved in hearing the information and seeing the images (even from behind closed fingers). There's a time and a place for this. It's an enormous assumption to make that everyone at a particular age or grade is ready for such a demonstration. I'll bet not everyone at that assembly was taking or getting ready to take driver's ed if not already driving. Not every teen gets a driver's license. (Rare that may be, I know several.) With pre-notification, parents with legitimate concerns for their child can have the opportunity to do what is right for their child at that moment in time. I don't have an objection to this being a mandatory part of a Driver's Ed program given at the school. Any parents not wanting their children to view the demonstration would also be opting that child out of the school's Driver's Ed.
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Post by leftturnonly on May 4, 2017 19:06:32 GMT
cycworker It would be difficult to obtain such empirical evidence, as there really isn't a way to garner such evidence. It can be measured in the decrease of fatal collisions involving a certain age group. I can state that yes, the death of my child, the entire court process and the many discussions did cause caution and a reduction of fatality due to car collisions. For me and my family and the 1,000 people (yes someone did do a count) at her funeral, it was a time for both adults and youth to take a time-out from life and view the very most horrible thing that could happen to them and their families. There was reflection on a young life taken far too soon. The kids were mindful that there was an empty desk in the classroom and that at the graduation walk, when her name was called, she didn't walk to accept her diploma. VERY REAL Some of her friends who I see do tell me (& I have heard of other conversations) that they still cannot believe what had happened. IF ONLY ONE PERSON IS HINDERED, then yes, there is evidence that this was worth the time & effort. If I recall correctly, you don't have any children. It is very different when you are in the actual living day to day than rather on the benches. ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/mYSUyHtG9Jrcmm_ydVcK.jpg) --- Thank you for telling your story. I'm sorry it was your story to tell.
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Post by KikiPea on May 4, 2017 19:23:30 GMT
I guess I have an issue with it being a parental right to opt your kid out of something like sex education or the study of evolution but you can't opt them out of this program if you think it will mentally and/or physically affect them. What makes this learning program any different? Some kids do not need to see this program and their parents should be able to make that decision if they are still in high school. I don't think kids should be able to be opted out of sex ed, either.
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Post by KikiPea on May 4, 2017 19:27:05 GMT
It's an enormous assumption to make that everyone at a particular age or grade is ready for such a demonstration. No one that has ever seen these things in real life had the option to see it. NO ONE is ready for such a thing. It would even freak ME out, but, if it serves it's purpose, I am all for it. Those kids are old enough to experience this.
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Post by elaine on May 4, 2017 19:37:43 GMT
FWIW, I am fairly certain that parents of kids with IEPs for ED (emotional disability), would be given the option to have their children involved in another activity at that time.
Here, Drivers Ed is taken by everyone as one quarter of 10th grade p.e. Even kids who, like my son, will never drive. I am fine with that, because it is important for him to be able to judge the safety of any driving situation where he will be a passenger.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2017 19:38:28 GMT
lostinspace--If you come back to the thread, I am so very sorry for the loss of your daughter.
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Post by leftturnonly on May 4, 2017 20:01:48 GMT
FWIW, I am fairly certain that parents of kids with IEPs for ED (emotional disability), would be given the option to have their children involved in another activity at that time. Here, Drivers Ed is taken by everyone as one quarter of 10th grade p.e. Even kids who, like my son, will never drive. I am fine with that, because it is important for him to be able to judge the safety of any driving situation where he will be a passenger. Huh, really? Everyone takes Driver's Ed for PE? <Wondering what physical exertion expended driving around in parking lots is equivalent to running around a field kicking or hitting a ball..... > ETA - yep to the first part.
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