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Post by chaosisapony on May 5, 2017 1:22:48 GMT
That sounds like the Every 15 Minutes program that is put on at schools here. It is supposed to be graphic and shocking and as close to real as possible. They are striving to make an impact to really get through to teenagers the dangers of drinking and driving. And they do a damn good job of it IMO.
When I was in high school the program selected certain students from each grade and they became the victims and the drivers. The "victims" went to the hospital, were given a tour of the morgue even. The "drivers" went through the booking process at the jail. All of the students involved were collected at the school by someone in a grim reaper costume and were away from their families for about 24 hours (they spent the night at the hospital and jail if I recall right).
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Post by theroadlesstraveledp on May 5, 2017 1:23:12 GMT
I am so sorry for your loss. I wish my kids school had a program like this. I think it is very important to impress upon them the seriousness of drinking and driving. And texting and driving. Now that I have a DD driving, I am for any program that can make her more careful. Google hangupanddrive there are apps and resources that they recommend. Jacy's story is there too, and you might need some tissues. Save
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Post by cycworker on May 5, 2017 1:55:03 GMT
A bunch of things need to happen: -We need to lower the drinking age. It's 19 in BC and even that's a bit high... 21 is ridiculous. -Stop demonizing drinking and making alcohol taboo for your kids. At least here in BC, even before it's formally 'legal' parents have some leeway to allow their kids to drink in supervised, controlled situations. Allow that. Don't put kids in a situation where they're heading out to a schoolground, like the Portland example, or worse, somewhere dangerous like the woods. Teach them early how to have a healthy, responsible relationship with alcohol. -Parents need to change their attitudes to underage drinking. Kids shouldn't HAVE to sneak out. Make it safe for your kid to call you if they need you to come & get them. THOSE are the types of things that will address the problem, not these ineffective, moralistic, Scared Straight type programs, which are the alcohol & drug equivalent of abstinence only sex education. Harm reduction keeps kids safe. This other stuff doesn't work. I am old enough to remember when many States lowered the drinking age to 18 during the Vietnam war. It had to be raised again because 18 year olds were not mature enough to handle the responsibility that comes with drinking. I could not disagree with you more about allowing your kids to drink before legal age. There is no way I would allow any child of mine to do something illegal. Not gonna happen. I respect your opinion but we will have to disagree. In my case, vehemently! If you allow your kid to do it, it's likely not illegal, depending on which state you live in. As a parent you have a right to allow your 15 year old to have a beer, or a wine cooler, or whatever, in the privacy of your own home, under your supervision. We have discussed this aspect of the issue many times. It's definitely the law in British Columbia, where I live, and it's also that way in most states. If you teach your kids about responsible drinking, and demystify alcohol at a young age, they will be able to handle the responsibility. Kids in Canada don't seem to have a problem with it. Neither do kids in European countries that have a lower drinking age (if they even have a minimum age). Lots of research demonstrates that the kids who have trouble with alcohol - sometimes to the point that it costs them their lives (the kids who binge drink when they get that first exposure to freedom when they go away to school & die of alcohol poisoning) - are the ones where families have a rigid, taboo attitude about alcohol.
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Post by cycworker on May 5, 2017 2:04:09 GMT
A bunch of things need to happen: -We need to lower the drinking age. It's 19 in BC and even that's a bit high... 21 is ridiculous. -Stop demonizing drinking and making alcohol taboo for your kids. At least here in BC, even before it's formally 'legal' parents have some leeway to allow their kids to drink in supervised, controlled situations. Allow that. Don't put kids in a situation where they're heading out to a schoolground, like the Portland example, or worse, somewhere dangerous like the woods. Teach them early how to have a healthy, responsible relationship with alcohol. -Parents need to change their attitudes to underage drinking. Kids shouldn't HAVE to sneak out. Make it safe for your kid to call you if they need you to come & get them. THOSE are the types of things that will address the problem, not these ineffective, moralistic, Scared Straight type programs, which are the alcohol & drug equivalent of abstinence only sex education. Harm reduction keeps kids safe. This other stuff doesn't work. eh.... I don't think it's an either or type of thing. The movies/demo's made a difference in how I behaved. Having alcohol at special family meals took all the mystery out of it. There's room for both. A 21 drinking age was more obviously questionable back when we had a draft. You could be sent to war in Vietnam but you weren't old enough to have a beer. leftturnonly - we actually agree, then. My issue really is that these programs are one-offs. There is not only room for both - there is a need for both. It's when you take a more holistic approach (the things I have said re: harm reduction, in my above quoted post) that the movies/demos are most effective. Again - making the the analogy to sex education... by all means, talk about abstinence. Just not to the exclusion of discussing birth control options & STI prevention should the teen in question end up choosing to be sexually active. At least around here, the programs very much have, at minimum a tacit suggestion that "Alcohol is BAD. You should never drink, period." Sometimes it's overtly stated. ETA: Apologies, lefty. I missed that you had seen my follow up post re: offering the program in isolation. But the one-off aspect of it is a little different...teens, especially, need ongoing dialogue/reminders. Like the time a friend's son was on the phone, dealing with a party invite. He said, loud enough for his mom to hear, that he needed to talk to her about it, all the while shaking his head at his mom, along the lines of "Say NO!" She immediately yells, "K you are NOT going out tonight! You know we already made plans with..." When brother was around 17, maybe 18? our folks were away. I knew he was, shall we say, partying. Every time he went out I'd run through the reminders. By the third time, he was doing it for me. "My phone is charged. You've got the phone by your bed. Don't be afraid to call. It will stay between us. Be safe & be smart." When he needed to, he called me. Sometimes, he point blank told me before he left, "I'm just going to stay overnight at X's place to be safe." When there was a small gathering at our place that involved some beer, all 4-5 guys were required to bring sleeping bags, and give me their keys upon arrival. I didn't even have to ask/tell him to set that up. We'd had SO many conversations growing up about what responsible drinking looked like that he just instinctively knew the right things to do. Long term, those are the things that will keep kids safe more effectively than a one time event in isolation.
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Post by leftturnonly on May 5, 2017 2:18:56 GMT
At least around here, the programs very much have, at minimum a tacit suggestion that "Alcohol is BAD. You should never drink, period." Yeah, well, ![](http://i1168.photobucket.com/albums/r481/2peasrefugees/Smilies/tongue.jpg.gif) to that.
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Post by Skellinton on May 5, 2017 3:06:43 GMT
Back in the day-like over 40 yrs ago- we watched "Death on the Highway" in Driver's Ed. 30 years ago we watched "Blood on the Asphalt" in a school wide assembly. I wonder if the drunk teenage driver and his girlfriend (who had 105 stitches in her face) that hit me and my boyfriend would have even driving or passengering drunk if they had seen the 15 minutes program. I would like to think not. As someone who lived a real life 15 minutes, I guarantee you I never had even one drink before driving, and won't get in the car with anyone who has had a single drink either. I think it sounds like a great program and should be seen in every high school.
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Post by ModChick on May 5, 2017 3:43:30 GMT
I think it's insane to spring this on kids and families.... portlandtribune.com/en/30-news/110800-drunk-driving-invades-estacada-high-schoolAbove is an article about the program. I'm sorry....but assuming that every student in the student body can handle this....that none of them have lost someone that way, or have been in a dramatic accident, or that they are all in an emotionally stable place to begin with so that they can process this in a healthy way is bullshit. Putting kids in bubble wrap does not help them in any way, shape or form. Agree. I still remember long, long ago the guy sitting in a wheelchair, on stage in our gym, with never gonna dance again playing in the background...that was the opener to our graphic drinking and driving assembly. I can still see and hear that assembly 23 years later. Yes it's necessary and if it helps save even one life I'd gladly whip the tears that I know my sensitive son will have when he comes home from school that day. We'll have a very important talk, which we'd have had long before that anyway. No bubble wrap here.
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Post by ScrapsontheRocks on May 5, 2017 4:07:08 GMT
Driving under the influence is, in my opinion, one of the most heinous things anyone anywhere could ever do. Whether it is done through overconfidence, lack of self knowledge or self-control, sheer carelessness or in the spirit of not caring what may happen to oneself or anyone else on the road, there is absolutely no excuse for it. Anyone who does it is somewhere on the line between sheer evil and just plain stupid. Yes, I am aware that alcoholism is an illness, but the act of driving is a choice. I applaud programmes such as the ones discussed here, while being conscious that distress to some is inevitable. So be it, if even ONE person thinks before driving under the influence (of drugs, alcohol or anything else) even if the shock value is of short-term duration, I still say it is worth a try. Signed, someone whose family has lost someone to an underage, overprivileged young man who drove drunk several times before the fatal accident in question and was protected by his Daddy's millions. They covered it up the previous occasions and got him off for what I hope was his last "accident". I agree with you. I think drunk drivers are the worst. It seems like society doesn't think drunk drivers are so bad and they don't get punished like someone would if they shot someone. So sorry for what you and your family have been through. I hope you can take comfort in knowing that there are many of us who feel the same way you do about drunk drivers. And know that we are always talking to our teens about the danger of alcohol and driving and how to avoid every being in that situation. Thank you so much for your thoughts.
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Post by ScrapsontheRocks on May 5, 2017 4:19:53 GMT
I agree!! You can not opt out of real life. I know it is hard on some teens and I am sorry but they must live in the same world as everyone else. I wish I could have opted my son out of the real life accident of one of his best friend (speeding and stunt driving). I wish my son did not find out how horrific it is to watch his friend's parents hold and cry over him in a casket. I wish my son did not have to be a pallbearer at 16 years old. My son is still not a fan of driving and drives as little as possible at age 23 and not because of some dramatic scene at school but because of a real life crash and death. Nobody called me in advance to warn me and give me the chance to opt him out. I wasn't given the option to opt out of real life when my dd was killed (passenger) in a car where the driver, unknown to the other 2 passengers in the vehicle decided to stunt drive. The driver & front seat passenger were saved by air bags. This was 3 weeks after my mom had died suddenly. Did an open casket, upon recommendation of many people, including LEO, so that the kids would "see" what death of one of their friend's looked like. Truly a real life lesson. As part of the sentencing for the driver, it included 200 hrs of going to schools and talking about this completely avoidable, horrific, life changing event for so many people whose lives did change. This did include pictures from the actual scene of the accident, videos of dd before her death, video of her funeral and video of her friends reactions after her death. candleangie and others, life doesn't allow opt out moments. I am so very sorry for your loss, your family's pain. I applaud your bravery.
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Post by psoccer on May 5, 2017 4:51:26 GMT
My children's school does Every 15 Minutes. Last year my daughter participated. As a parent of a child in the program, we went that night and had a parent meeting, where it was discussed what happened during the day. Each parent wrote a letter to their child. We were asked to start it with "Every 15 minutes someone is killed in injured in an alcohol related collision. Today you died, I never got to...."I had been at the school that day, and had seen it. They normally life flight the victims out, but it was too windy. It is very real, and it was very sobering to go to the school to pick up my daughter's car. The next day was the assembly. They had video and speakers. The video showed the students what happened after...the arrest, the hospital visit, and the visit to the house from the sheriffs to notify the family. The speakers were of people who lost someone to an alcohol related accident, parents, I was asked to read my letter as was another parent, and the last speaker was amazing. He told the kids we knew they were going to drink. They wanted the students to take this lesson past high school, and carry it into adulthood. The message wasn't that drinking was bad, but that they had to take responsibility, turn in your keys, take someone's keys, call a friend, watch out for your friends.
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Post by milocat on May 5, 2017 4:53:10 GMT
That's why they really should do it here because the legal drinking age is 18 in Alberta so illegal drinking age is even younger. So kids can be getting in vehicles with kids that have been drinking. They have to be lining up designated drivers, no public transportation in the rural area and that DD needs to stay sober. Kids need to know to not get in a vehicle and to call for a ride or get in with a sober person instead if their ride ends up drinking. A bunch of things need to happen: -We need to lower the drinking age. It's 19 in BC and even that's a bit high... 21 is ridiculous. -Stop demonizing drinking and making alcohol taboo for your kids. At least here in BC, even before it's formally 'legal' parents have some leeway to allow their kids to drink in supervised, controlled situations. Allow that. Don't put kids in a situation where they're heading out to a schoolground, like the Portland example, or worse, somewhere dangerous like the woods. Teach them early how to have a healthy, responsible relationship with alcohol. -Parents need to change their attitudes to underage drinking. Kids shouldn't HAVE to sneak out. Make it safe for your kid to call you if they need you to come & get them. THOSE are the types of things that will address the problem, not these ineffective, moralistic, Scared Straight type programs, which are the alcohol & drug equivalent of abstinence only sex education. Harm reduction keeps kids safe. This other stuff doesn't work. Kids start drinking at 14 -16 here. House parties in the winter, bush parties in the summer. Drinking isn't taboo or a big deal. There is no sneaking, parents will drive their kids. But still kids and then adults drink and drive. So what is the answer? I don't know.
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Post by milocat on May 5, 2017 5:07:37 GMT
A bunch of things need to happen: -We need to lower the drinking age. It's 19 in BC and even that's a bit high... 21 is ridiculous. -Stop demonizing drinking and making alcohol taboo for your kids. At least here in BC, even before it's formally 'legal' parents have some leeway to allow their kids to drink in supervised, controlled situations. Allow that. Don't put kids in a situation where they're heading out to a schoolground, like the Portland example, or worse, somewhere dangerous like the woods. Teach them early how to have a healthy, responsible relationship with alcohol. -Parents need to change their attitudes to underage drinking. Kids shouldn't HAVE to sneak out. Make it safe for your kid to call you if they need you to come & get them. THOSE are the types of things that will address the problem, not these ineffective, moralistic, Scared Straight type programs, which are the alcohol & drug equivalent of abstinence only sex education. Harm reduction keeps kids safe. This other stuff doesn't work. I am old enough to remember when many States lowered the drinking age to 18 during the Vietnam war. It had to be raised again because 18 year olds were not mature enough to handle the responsibility that comes with drinking. I could not disagree with you more about allowing your kids to drink before legal age. There is no way I would allow any child of mine to do something illegal. Not gonna happen. I respect your opinion but we will have to disagree. In my case, vehemently! Before they are 18 they could be driving a car, having sex. Have a baby. Your 18yo could get married, join the army and fight for your country. But still have to wait 3 more years to be mature enough to have a drink of beer? A sip of wine? This just makes no sense to me. I see all the time on here how a Peas teen suspected of having sex and everyone is calm and cool saying make sure you get her on the pill and get them some condoms. Be safe but teens are horny and have sex. Then someone posts my teen had one drink I'm grounding him for a thousand years and so many of the US Peas agree. The legal drinking age is 18 here but it starts before that. It's not a big taboo deal.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2017 10:51:10 GMT
Out of curiosity, does anyone know if there is empirical evidence that this program works? I ask in large part because the shock-tactic 80s drug-education programs didn't, at all. I have no objection to this sort of thing if it works. I remember seeing autopsy films in ninth-grade health class, and the gruesomeness of those films (where the autopsies were performed, eg, on heavy smokers) really did stick in my head during a period in my life where I was more likely to make bad choices than I would be now. Still, I understand (after having to deal with a lot of horrifying footage and photos when I was a criminal defense attorney) that looking at violence and death is genuinely disturbing, and I don't necessarily want to inflict that on teens unless there is actual evidence that this program reduces drunk driving. Thank you. This is the crux of the issue. these programs are no different than the 80's anti - drug programs. They emphatically do NOT work, just as the war on drugs, just say no programs didn't/don't. I think some confuse this program with harm reduction strategies. This is NOT harm reduction. (bold is mine) I don't know if this can really be said with such certainty. I'd compare this program to the anti-smoking campaigns, education, commercials, etc. Do kids/adults still smoke? Yes. However, I have to believe there are at least some kids that made a choice to never pick up a cigarette, and at least some adults that have decided to quit, after seeing the harsh realities of smoking. It's easy to track how many kids die from drinking and driving, and it's tracked how many people die from smoking. What can't be tracked is how many people decided to not smoke. If the increased education and commercials help some, it's helping.
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Post by gracieplusthree on May 5, 2017 11:54:55 GMT
Mock Wreck. this years was just this past Tuesday.. they've done that here for years, I personally LOVE it.. here its for all grades of High School. Students do the acting, as the victims and such. It opens a lot of eyes, and if it makes ONE kid not drink and drive then it's totally worth it. Here its even done in the evening for homeschool kids and the public to be able to attend.
visuals work. seeing it be people they know, works. Yes they know its fake, but the visuals, the ambulances, the sirens, the helicopter the actingthe wrecked vehicles sitting, the story that goes with it, but unlike tv they see it unfold infront of them, and it STICKS better than a tv you can turn off. My daughter, Julie, is 24, married, and to this day will well up with tears if she gets to talking about of of the year that her bff Heather was one of the actresses in mock wreck, Heather wasn't a victim in the scenario,but in the scene her bff was and Heather pulled such a great job acting, with cops and emts etc holding her back as she screamed and wailed because the *victim* was either close friend or family(I cant remember how it was scripted) but Heathers reaction to it, moved everyone. do I feel like my daughter is traumatized? heck no. not at all, but if something like that can stick with her forever, and stop her, and others, from drinking and driving. then I'm all for it---
here it goes as far as *court* where the drunk driver has a short trial and is cuffed and taken to jail. I think this part is filmed or at least partially filmed,and its shown the next day to the students.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on May 5, 2017 12:22:12 GMT
And... Britain's binge drinking levels among highest in worldIn another article, it was mentioned that Australia is at a level with the U.S. Didn't google Canada. I'll be late for work. Will do it later if I can. (I'm not arguing that the U.S. has a serious problem, but the problem IS in the rise in other areas.)
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Post by Judy26 on May 5, 2017 12:26:31 GMT
Yesterday in our small town a 16 year old was killed in a drunk driving accident and a 23 year old was declared brain dead from a cocaine overdose. Both were former students of mine. Both were happy, devil may care kids who looked no further into their future than to where the next exhilarating thrill was coming from. Both are dead and their families and friends are devastated. If an in your face, graphic assembly could have prevented either of these from happening I would donate to pay for the program.
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Post by jennyap on May 5, 2017 12:47:08 GMT
And... Britain's binge drinking levels among highest in worldIn another article, it was mentioned that Australia is at a level with the U.S. Didn't google Canada. I'll be late for work. Will do it later if I can. (I'm not arguing that the U.S. has a serious problem, but the problem IS in the rise in other areas.) Despite undoubtedly still very high levels, the trend in Britain is actually in the other direction (at last). Binge drinking in decline among young adults
Rise of teetotalismMy own experience bears this out. The young people I know/work with are far less likely to drink heavily if at all than people my age or above do even now, let alone as much as I did when I was young
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Post by Dalai Mama on May 5, 2017 12:49:58 GMT
I guess I have an issue with it being a parental right to opt your kid out of something like sex education or the study of evolution but you can't opt them out of this program if you think it will mentally and/or physically affect them. What makes this learning program any different? Some kids do not need to see this program and their parents should be able to make that decision if they are still in high school. I don't think kids should be able to be opted out of sex ed, either. And I sure af don't think they should be able to opt out of evolution.
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Post by Dalai Mama on May 5, 2017 13:10:08 GMT
A bunch of things need to happen: -We need to lower the drinking age. It's 19 in BC and even that's a bit high... 21 is ridiculous. -Stop demonizing drinking and making alcohol taboo for your kids. At least here in BC, even before it's formally 'legal' parents have some leeway to allow their kids to drink in supervised, controlled situations. Allow that. Don't put kids in a situation where they're heading out to a schoolground, like the Portland example, or worse, somewhere dangerous like the woods. Teach them early how to have a healthy, responsible relationship with alcohol. -Parents need to change their attitudes to underage drinking. Kids shouldn't HAVE to sneak out. Make it safe for your kid to call you if they need you to come & get them. THOSE are the types of things that will address the problem, not these ineffective, moralistic, Scared Straight type programs, which are the alcohol & drug equivalent of abstinence only sex education. Harm reduction keeps kids safe. This other stuff doesn't work. I am old enough to remember when many States lowered the drinking age to 18 during the Vietnam war. It had to be raised again because 18 year olds were not mature enough to handle the responsibility that comes with drinking. I could not disagree with you more about allowing your kids to drink before legal age. There is no way I would allow any child of mine to do something illegal. Not gonna happen. I respect your opinion but we will have to disagree. In my case, vehemently! Legally here, I can give my underage child alcohol to be consumed in my house. I cannot give them alcohol at my parents' house, and my parents cannot give them alcohol at my house. Me, my house, my children? Perfectly legal.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2017 14:05:47 GMT
That's why they really should do it here because the legal drinking age is 18 in Alberta so illegal drinking age is even younger. So kids can be getting in vehicles with kids that have been drinking. They have to be lining up designated drivers, no public transportation in the rural area and that DD needs to stay sober. Kids need to know to not get in a vehicle and to call for a ride or get in with a sober person instead if their ride ends up drinking. A bunch of things need to happen: -We need to lower the drinking age. It's 19 in BC and even that's a bit high... 21 is ridiculous. -Stop demonizing drinking and making alcohol taboo for your kids. At least here in BC, even before it's formally 'legal' parents have some leeway to allow their kids to drink in supervised, controlled situations. Allow that. Don't put kids in a situation where they're heading out to a schoolground, like the Portland example, or worse, somewhere dangerous like the woods. Teach them early how to have a healthy, responsible relationship with alcohol. -Parents need to change their attitudes to underage drinking. Kids shouldn't HAVE to sneak out. Make it safe for your kid to call you if they need you to come & get them. THOSE are the types of things that will address the problem, not these ineffective, moralistic, Scared Straight type programs, which are the alcohol & drug equivalent of abstinence only sex education. Harm reduction keeps kids safe. This other stuff doesn't work. IMO there is a world of difference between making it safe for my kids to call me and encouraging an illegal behavior. I have been witness to several alcohol education programs and all of them would disagree strongly with you. Kids will be kids and break the rules, but it is more dangerous to teach a teen that you can pick and choose which laws to obey.
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Post by Darcy Collins on May 5, 2017 14:20:11 GMT
I am old enough to remember when many States lowered the drinking age to 18 during the Vietnam war. It had to be raised again because 18 year olds were not mature enough to handle the responsibility that comes with drinking. I could not disagree with you more about allowing your kids to drink before legal age. There is no way I would allow any child of mine to do something illegal. Not gonna happen. I respect your opinion but we will have to disagree. In my case, vehemently! Legally here, I can give my underage child alcohol to be consumed in my house. I cannot give them alcohol at my parents' house, and my parents cannot give them alcohol at my house. Me, my house, my children? Perfectly legal. It varies by state in the US. States that allow parents to provide alcohol to their children on private property in their presence (doesn't have to be in their own home): Alaska, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Georgia, Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, Louisiana, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, South Carolina, Texas, Virginia, Washington, Wisconsin, Wyoming States where you're allowed to drink alcohol on private, non-alcohol selling property WITHOUT parental consent: Louisiana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Jersey, Oklahoma, South Carolina States where you're allowed to drink alcohol on an alcohol selling property with parental consent (ie parent can order you wine at a restaurant): Connecticut, Louisiana, Mississippi, Nevada, Ohio, Texas, Wisconsin, Wyoming
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Post by crazy4scraps on May 5, 2017 14:40:12 GMT
Before they are 18 they could be driving a car, having sex. Have a baby. Your 18yo could get married, join the army and fight for your country. But still have to wait 3 more years to be mature enough to have a drink of beer? A sip of wine? This just makes no sense to me. I see all the time on here how a Peas teen suspected of having sex and everyone is calm and cool saying make sure you get her on the pill and get them some condoms. Be safe but teens are horny and have sex. Then someone posts my teen had one drink I'm grounding him for a thousand years and so many of the US Peas agree. The legal drinking age is 18 here but it starts before that. It's not a big taboo deal. For me a big part of this is because here for the most part it's illegal. I wouldn't want to encourage or allow my kid to do *anything* that could get her in trouble with the law, or to try to pick and choose which laws she thinks should apply to her. Years ago, one of my sister's high school aged kids went to visit a friend who was away at college. Turned out it was a kegger party that got broken up by the police at 1:00 am. Not only did my niece spend the night in jail, but my sister and BIL had to drive 3.5 hours to where she was to bail her out and bring her home. There is also a strong family history of alcohol and chemical abuse/dependency on both sides of my kid's family, so for that reason too I would hesitate to give her the green light to experiment at a young age with things that could turn out to have negative lifelong implications.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2017 15:03:11 GMT
Marijuana is now legal in what, 3 states? If people allow their underage kids to drink, responsibly, at home, does it then move into allowing underage kids to smoke pot, responsibly, at home? Maybe that's not a big deal for some people either, I don't know.
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Post by workingclassdog on May 5, 2017 15:06:06 GMT
I didn't read all six pages, but our school does it too. If it saves lives I am 100% in. I do think they told us about it ahead of time.. I can't really remember to be honest.
We did not have this at our high school when I graduated in the 80s.
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Post by peaname on May 5, 2017 17:08:12 GMT
I'm with you, OP. I agree with the way these things really drive a message home and I would have my child attend but I think parents should have been warned. I went to school with a boy who's brother was killed in a car accident so for him witnessing that would be too much. Parents around here get notice for lock down drills I think as a courtesy the school should have notified parents.
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Post by used2scrap on May 5, 2017 17:45:46 GMT
We had a similar program when I was in high school in the early 1990s. The controversy then was the school wanted to have the "victims" and drivers notified on a weekend, newspaper article written making it sound real etc so kids coming to school on Monday would think it was totally real that students had been killed, arrested etc. Several teachers who were parents of current high schoolers ended up protesting, thinking the implications and backlash would undermine the message.
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Post by scrapaddie on May 5, 2017 18:43:11 GMT
While I think that parents should have been aware in advance what the program contained, if it saves even one life then I think it's worth it. My parents' small community is currently reeling from the death of three 17 year olds who were drinking and driving. If this kind of program would have made them or their friends think twice then I'm all for it. Parents are never aware In advance when their own children end up in tthis situation. Young drivers are never aware in advance when their own actions result in the deaths of their best friends. This isn't real and the kids know it isn't real, but it is very realistic. Maybe one will think first before driving and drinking. We did this for juniors and seniors every other year. Hopefully, it helped.
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Post by quiltz on May 5, 2017 21:04:30 GMT
Yesterday in our small town a 16 year old was killed in a drunk driving accident and a 23 year old was declared brain dead from a cocaine overdose. Both were former students of mine. Both were happy, devil may care kids who looked no further into their future than to where the next exhilarating thrill was coming from. Both are dead and their families and friends are devastated. If an in your face, graphic assembly could have prevented either of these from happening I would donate to pay for the program. I am so sorry for these losses of young lives. As a parent of a child who was in a car fatality, please remember these family in the months to come, if you can.
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Post by quiltz on May 5, 2017 21:07:53 GMT
I'm with you, OP. I agree with the way these things really drive a message home and I would have my child attend but I think parents should have been warned. I went to school with a boy who's brother was killed in a car accident so for him witnessing that would be too much. Parents around here get notice for lock down drills I think as a courtesy the school should have notified parents. I would hope that the school/teachers are aware of the few who have dealt with a personal loss like this, so that the very few who would be severely impacted (PTSD is REAL) would be able to pull these kids aside for this presentation. I have severe PTSD due to the loss of my dd and am aware of the consequences of having to relive that experience.
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