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Post by gracieplusthree on May 16, 2017 19:22:23 GMT
ok I work at a grocery store.. its always been that the cashiers wore smocks, and the service clerks(bag boys) wore aprons.. we cashiers have always complained about it as the smocks are hot, and uncomfortable and most of us would rather have an apron.. women in other departments in the store tend to wear aprons, produce, dairy, bakery, deli, meat .. aprons. We've all just grumbled. Well we had a meeting a month or so ago that was mandatory and involved a corporate lady and part of it was over dress code and it was stated that women wear smocks, guys wear aprons EXCEPT for Boars Head in the deli because they have aprons with Boars Head logo on them. Well thing is again lots of others in other departments wear aprons, not smocks. I even work produce a day or two a week and MUCH prefer wearing apron to smock.. Something was said today, from the above corporate lady, in regards to one of our scanning co-ordinators who wears an apron. She and I are friends and she wasn't required to go to the above mentioned meeting, but I was there, and I had mentioned the whole "girls wear smocks, boys wear aprons" statement. Anyway she was told today by our manager that the corporate lady mentioned it, that she was supposed to wear a smock, her answer was "well sir I identify as a male".. which she is married to a man, has children  but had prepared to say that if it was brought up(which in reality she is better than her husband at holding down a job, she fixes things around the house, etc lol) ANYWAY.. boss said he'd talk to the district guy.. Thing is it got us to talking. can they even do that? base our work uniform on what gender they think we are? They cant say its the cashiers that have to wear smocks because service clerks often run registers. Anyone familiar with what the rules are here?.. Like what if a gay male was hired and he wanted to wear a smock instead of an apron(which I have NO idea why anyone would but) would they be able to say "oh those are for girls".. Personally I think they need to get rid of the smocks, and just let everyone wear an apron, we'd all look the same then and it wouldn't be them determining our uniform on gender in anyway. but are there rules about this?.. she's going to be calling corporate and I've told her to drag me into it if she needs to because I work wearing both the smock and apron(even though I guess we are supposed to wear a smock in produce too,but we don't) |
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Post by littlemama on May 16, 2017 19:48:42 GMT
I kind of doubt that smocks vs aprons is a gender discrimination issue. I worked at a place where women were required to wear either skirts/dresses or dress pants with hose and men wore shirt and tie. This isn't much different. As for the married woman telling the boss that she identifies as male, if she is doing that just to be an ass, then she is harming the cause of transgender people. If she really does identify as male and presents as a male, then for this purpose, she would be a male, wearing an apron.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on May 16, 2017 20:40:53 GMT
I agree with little Mama but I also agree with you OP..
I would present a request to the corporate lady for people to be able to choose a smock or an apron. Are all the cashiers women? (That seems like discrimination, not the work outfit)
Perhaps you can take some photos of both men and women in the aprons and demonstrate how it gives a more unified appearance if everyone is in an apron, and then site some reasons why the apron is more comfortable and more conducive to you getting your job done.
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Post by gracieplusthree on May 16, 2017 21:37:01 GMT
I kind of doubt that smocks vs aprons is a gender discrimination issue. I worked at a place where women were required to wear either skirts/dresses or dress pants with hose and men wore shirt and tie. This isn't much different. As for the married woman telling the boss that she identifies as male, if she is doing that just to be an ass, then she is harming the cause of transgender people. If she really does identify as male and presents as a male, then for this purpose, she would be a male, wearing an apron. well she is a woman,but she says she is the acting "man of the house"..but I see what you mean, she isn't an ass and wouldn't ever discriminate or do anything to be offensive to anyone regardless of their gender identity/sexual preferences etc.. she just doesn't want to wear a smock for many reasons and it was a response to get the boss of her back... and hopefully open a door or two to get us all in aprons. |
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Post by gracieplusthree on May 16, 2017 21:40:12 GMT
I would present a request to the corporate lady for people to be able to choose a smock or an apron. Are all the cashiers women? (That seems like discrimination, not the work outfit) yes all hired cashiers are women, and all hired service clerks are guys.. so yeah I agree with you.. however sometimes the service clerks will run a register, and us girls have been known to do carry outs and to bring in buggies from the parking lot(and bag groceries too) so those lines do cross sometimes,but as for how we are hired? cashiers=girls, service clerks=guys |
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Post by littlemama on May 16, 2017 23:20:58 GMT
I kind of doubt that smocks vs aprons is a gender discrimination issue. I worked at a place where women were required to wear either skirts/dresses or dress pants with hose and men wore shirt and tie. This isn't much different. As for the married woman telling the boss that she identifies as male, if she is doing that just to be an ass, then she is harming the cause of transgender people. If she really does identify as male and presents as a male, then for this purpose, she would be a male, wearing an apron. well she is a woman,but she says she is the acting "man of the house"..but I see what you mean, she isn't an ass and wouldn't ever discriminate or do anything to be offensive to anyone regardless of their gender identity/sexual preferences etc.. she just doesn't want to wear a smock for many reasons and it was a response to get the boss of her back... and hopefully open a door or two to get us all in aprons. So, her gender identity is a woman and she is physically a woman, yet she is claiming to identify as a man in order to receive special considerations. That's an ass. |
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Post by mikklynn on May 17, 2017 0:08:06 GMT
No answer, just a general comment...why on earth do businesses get so caught up in something so petty? They are upsetting their employees for a ridiculous mandate. That is not good for the bottom line of any business.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 0:14:38 GMT
I'd look to the gender laws in the state where you are employed for guidance, a few states states would be far more supportive on this as a gender issue than most.
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Post by gracieplusthree on May 17, 2017 0:29:07 GMT
So, her gender identity is a woman and she is physically a woman, yet she is claiming to identify as a man in order to receive special considerations. That's an ass. While I do see what you are saying it was really just said to get him off her about it so she could go back to work.. Plenty of other women in the store do wear aprons on a daily basis, and out in the gas station none of us wear either one smock or apron(yes I work out there too, out there tomorrow actually) you'd have to know a lot more of the history to know that she was being picked out of a crowd of a lot of other women there who don't wear smocks and nothing has ever been said to them. Point is I was wondering if there was anything we could use as employees to our advantage to help to get the rules changed as per the smock/apron issue altogether, seems as though so long as we had one or the other on it shouldn't matter. and it certainly shouldn't matter as to whether or not we have boobs or not which one we can/have to wear.but evidently it does and keep in mind, this is a grocery store |
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Post by gracieplusthree on May 17, 2017 0:32:58 GMT
No answer, just a general comment...why on earth do businesses get so caught up in something so petty? They are upsetting their employees for a ridiculous mandate. That is not good for the bottom line of any business. I have no idea why this issue would suddenly be such, well such an issue lol.. Tattoos aren't an issue, but whether or not you wear a smock or an apron is?. There really are far plenty of other bigger issues they could focus on that we would love for them to fix/change but they choose to flat out ignore them |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 0:50:48 GMT
I would present a request to the corporate lady for people to be able to choose a smock or an apron. Are all the cashiers women? (That seems like discrimination, not the work outfit) yes all hired cashiers are women, and all hired service clerks are guys.. so yeah I agree with you.. however sometimes the service clerks will run a register, and us girls have been known to do carry outs and to bring in buggies from the parking lot(and bag groceries too) so those lines do cross sometimes,but as for how we are hired? cashiers=girls, service clerks=guys It seems like smock vs. apron isn't the only gender discrimination issue that the business has going on. |
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Post by PrettyInPeank on May 17, 2017 1:05:56 GMT
I don't think it's unreasonable to have different dress codes for genders. Disney has gender-specific uniforms. The men might wear suspenders and women may wear a ruffled blouse in Frontierland. I mean, what if a man working for United decided he wanted to wear heels and a skirt? Even the military has gender-specific uniforms.
I'm in the camp of consider a new job if it bothers you so much. As for the practice of hiring only men for stock and women as cashiers, that's a little different. Are their salaries the same?
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Post by gracieplusthree on May 17, 2017 2:11:21 GMT
Are their salaries the same? I have no idea what other people make for their pay.. |
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Post by hennybutton on May 17, 2017 3:03:11 GMT
This is 2017. If they were smart, they would have aprons for everybody. Better yet, they would have tshirts or polos.
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Post by Dani-Mani on May 17, 2017 3:13:11 GMT
What is the difference between a smock and an apron? Because where I come from, they're the same....
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Post by milocat on May 17, 2017 3:47:09 GMT
I kind of doubt that smocks vs aprons is a gender discrimination issue. I worked at a place where women were required to wear either skirts/dresses or dress pants with hose and men wore shirt and tie. This isn't much different. As for the married woman telling the boss that she identifies as male, if she is doing that just to be an ass, then she is harming the cause of transgender people. If she really does identify as male and presents as a male, then for this purpose, she would be a male, wearing an apron. But the difference where you worked is women could wear skirts OR dress pants. It wasn't women in skirts only and men in pants which would be the equivalent to to apron smock thing. If you are so inclined to be upset over a smock. I agree with PPs, why does the store care apron or smock just wear the store issued clothing with their logo, good enough. |
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Post by Eddie-n-Harley on May 17, 2017 3:51:48 GMT
What is the difference between a smock and an apron? Because where I come from, they're the same.... |
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Post by gracieplusthree on May 17, 2017 9:11:48 GMT
This is 2017. If they were smart, they would have aprons for everybody. Better yet, they would have tshirts or polos. we have polos we have to wear that we have to buy(well new hires get one free), I'd love a store logo'd tshirt instead though lol,but the polo is ok |
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Post by gypsymama on May 17, 2017 10:24:39 GMT
i worked in a grocery store in west texas that sounds exactly like this... smocks and aprons... only women cashiers etc... but i do know that when my ex worked there, he had to wear a long sleeved dress shirt and tie under his apron and i could wear a tank top or whatever under my smock. i hated that thing though!
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Post by corinne11 on May 17, 2017 11:02:49 GMT
I'm so glad someone posted a picture of a "smock" - so not what I was thinking! Where I live smocks were short sleeved flowy tops we wore as kids in the 70's or pregnant women wore them. I was thinking no way are people wearing them today still! My mum used to wear what you show as a smock when she worked in a cake factory back in the 70's and we called them aprons. I too am surprised that in 2017 uniforms are not more, well uniform! and everybody wears the same. In our supermarkets everybody wears shirts/polo shirts and pants - no skirts at all. Good luck with your quest.  Corinne |
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Post by maryland on May 17, 2017 11:15:16 GMT
yes all hired cashiers are women, and all hired service clerks are guys.. so yeah I agree with you.. however sometimes the service clerks will run a register, and us girls have been known to do carry outs and to bring in buggies from the parking lot(and bag groceries too) so those lines do cross sometimes,but as for how we are hired? cashiers=girls, service clerks=guys It seems like smock vs. apron isn't the only gender discrimination issue that the business has going on. I agree! Seems that lots of gender discrimination is going on. |
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Post by teri on May 17, 2017 13:30:34 GMT
I'd wear whatever uniform was asked of me and be thankful I have a job
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Post by pridemom on May 17, 2017 16:11:24 GMT
I have sat in on EEOC trainings and they recommend gender neutral dress codes. I had to review my employer's dress code so that it did not include gender specific designations on recommendation of our state Equal Opportunity unit.
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but had prepared to say that if it was brought up(which in reality she is better than her husband at holding down a job, she fixes things around the house, etc lol) ANYWAY.. boss said he'd talk to the district guy.. Thing is it got us to talking. can they even do that? base our work uniform on what gender they think we are? They cant say its the cashiers that have to wear smocks because service clerks often run registers. Anyone familiar with what the rules are here?.. Like what if a gay male was hired and he wanted to wear a smock instead of an apron(which I have NO idea why anyone would but) would they be able to say "oh those are for girls"..
