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Post by scrapsuzy on Jun 26, 2014 1:26:48 GMT
Article from Military.comMy own opinion is yes, their pay is justified and no they are not paid too much! but then I am an Army officer daughter, Army NG sister, and mother of 3 sons in the military (Army officer, Army NG son, and Marine Reserves son). My oldest son, age 27 and an Army officer for 5 years (after 4yrs in the Army NG), makes about the same (counting housing allowance, etc) as my dh does at age 45 (who has worked at the same company for 22 years.) And I'm okay with that. In those 5 years, his family has moved 3 times, he has been deployed once (would've been more except for a change in units), missed his first son's life from age 7wks-11mos, and due to another deployment will miss his second son's life from age 5mos-11mos (as far as we know right now). Some of the places he has been in the past 9 years, he has been extremely disliked/discriminated against/in danger from the locals (and I'm talking right here in the USA) just because he is military. When in a combat zone, he is not just at risk of death or physical injury, but also injury to his psyche. And he VOLUNTEERED for this. There was a time when the lower enlisted ranks were not paid enough, even with family, to stay off welfare, food stamps, and WIC. And those ranks are statistically more likely to die in combat! And, again, they VOLUNTEER. So. What do you think?
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Post by elaine on Jun 26, 2014 1:33:39 GMT
Your title question and the question in your poll are total opposites, which confused me.
My answers are NO they are not paid too much, and YES, their pay is justified.
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Post by stittsygirl on Jun 26, 2014 1:37:19 GMT
Having spent 16 years as an army wife I'd say no, the military isn't paid too much, and for most of the same reasons you listed above. My husband has had a 9-5 civilian job for the past 18 months, and it isn't nearly comparable to how tough it is to being on active duty, for both the military member and their family. I believe any extra compensation is well earned. But I'll admit I'm biased.
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Post by scrapsuzy on Jun 26, 2014 1:42:34 GMT
Your title question and the question in your poll are total opposites, which confused me. The thread title is the name of the article, which discusses whether or not the military is paid too much compared to civilians. I can see how it could be confusing if you don't read the article before answering the poll. I was trying to come up with a good, possibly controversial, subject for a poll and wasn't sure how it would post. I'll see if I can fix the title.
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Post by Eddie-n-Harley on Jun 26, 2014 1:49:14 GMT
Since I don't want to be drafted, shot at, or maimed by an IED, my answer is no, they are not paid too much.
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Jun 26, 2014 1:53:10 GMT
I read the article. No, military personnel are not paid enough to put themselves in harm's way. It is also shameful that the injured are not receiving immediate world class health care VA benefits. This Country owes our Veteran's but we would rather have illegal immigrants cross over our borders and take care of them first. Shameful.
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Post by elaine on Jun 26, 2014 1:54:07 GMT
Your title question and the question in your poll are total opposites, which confused me. The thread title is the name of the article, which discusses whether or not the military is paid too much compared to civilians. I can see how it could be confusing if you don't read the article before answering the poll. I was trying to come up with a good, possibly controversial, subject for a poll and wasn't sure how it would post. I'll see if I can fix the title. I read the article, but in your OP, you start out by saying that your answer is "yes," and the went on to talk about how the pay is justified, not that it is too much. So it seemed to me that you were answering the question in the title, but not the question in the poll. So, I guess I'm still confused.
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Post by dawndoll on Jun 26, 2014 2:31:26 GMT
As the wife of a Desert Storm combat Vet, I certainly don't think the military is overpaid. My husband is still and forever will be dealing with the effects of his years in the Army.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Jun 26, 2014 3:12:49 GMT
Your title question and the question in your poll are total opposites, which confused me. My answers are NO they are not paid too much, and YES, their pay is justified. Ok, that explains why I was so confused and why the OPs post didn't make sense to me! Yes their pay is justified, no the military is not paid too much. ~ Dori ~
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Post by mely on Jun 26, 2014 3:16:27 GMT
Since October my husband had worked until 8 pm almost every day of the week that the ship was in port. He had had 2 weekends off in 2014. He's on Rimpac for 2 months, then comes home long enough to train his replacement then heads out to his next assignment on a ship that will be deployed.
He spent half of Mikeys first 4 years deployed. He just got back last April from training across the country - unaccompanied for almost a year. The way things worked out we had to pay rent on two places
It wouldn't be quite as bad if he was working with weapons systems since he knows those inside and out. On shore duty he was flying around the world to work on training ships. 18/20 years working on weapons systems but they make him a chief engineer because he made the mistake of getting some qualifications early. That will teach him.
Meanwhile the Navy is doing more with less. Surge deployments out for 7 month in for 5 then back out again. They used to have a year in between deployments. My husband's department is 80% staffed. Since October they've had 5 major inspections.
The knowledge loss is incredible. It's harder and harder to retain qualified people. They go off for better paying jobs in the civilian world.
And then there's the lower benefits. Oh yeah the house we bought to retire in up in Oregon - not gonna happen since in 2007 the rules for tricare for retirees changed and you must now live within a certain distance from a base to be eligible. And then there was the switch to uhc last year. That was a fucking nightmare. Uhc couldn't get referrals processed so the military had a 2 month free for all with referrals. Sadly the paperwork for the iud I wanted got lost and my referral was sent to the Navy hospital instead of my obgyn who had already done the ground work because "they had capacity". Never mind that the obgyn is 5 miles from my house and balboa is 35 miles... And then they said we are booking 3-4 months out because we are only staffed 2 days a week because of budget cuts. So here I am - still suffering with the monthly csi scene in my pants being told that they want me to go in for a third pelvic exam - after my regular doctor and obgyn had both done one - screaming at them over the phone "how many people need to stick their hands in my vagina before I can get the damn iud". Apparently the cost savings method worked - I never got it. I won't lie, menopause would be a welcome relief now.
And then there's the toll on everything - relationships - the stress is killing our relationship and we haven't had the time to make things right in years. Family life - I hate thinking about the damage this is doing to my kids. And overall health - my husband could not get off the ship to see a dentist and wound up losing a tooth that could have been saved. He's gained 30 pounds and the doctor says he needs blood pressure pills and anti depressants. If he gets good happy pills he needs to share them.
So 16 hour work days, no time off (we are looking at him taking 7 days leave this year but was told he may need to come in) lack of access to medical care, stress and crappy family life and a total of 6 weekends off the entire year if they don't fall on his duty day every 6 days - tell me again how the pay is outpacing civilian pay???
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Post by mely on Jun 26, 2014 3:19:19 GMT
And I forgot about the getting shot at thing mostly because I can't handle thinking about it. He can't talk about a lot of the stuff he does or the things he's worked on because of clearance but I'm probably better off not knowing
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