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Post by cindyupnorth on Jun 28, 2017 1:29:49 GMT
So my dd wants to move in with her boyfriend. He's had a iffie up bringing. Lots of drama, bad parenting, and just one thing after another. He has ADHD, and high functioning Asperger's. Hasn't really had any direction in life, etc, etc. I could go on. ha. So he has a dog. It's a medium size dog. VERY friendly. About 4 yrs old. Lab/shepard mix. She is sort of wild. Has had no training. Not fixed. I am arranging to have her spayed in a few wks. We are hoping that will calm her down a bit. She likes to bark, and she likes NOT being outside. So they have been looking for apts. The choices of apts that allow pets, reasonably priced, and decent looking are slim. There are definitely more openings for Pet free. So I was talking to a property management company and she mentioned having the dog get the status of a comfort animal. Which would make sense, because it does help him. It keeps him busy, he walks her often. cares for her. keeps him busy. I don't think it would be a problem having a Dr, or therapist write a note. I think that's all he needs. Does anyone know anything about that? or any other ideas?
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Post by smartypants71 on Jun 28, 2017 1:33:01 GMT
I've never heard of a comfort animal and I don't think that's protected by ADA or some other organization. Plus, I'd highly discourage someone with a dog who likes to bark from moving into an apartment. Get ready for lots of complaints from the neighbors - "comfort dog" or not.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2017 1:35:58 GMT
A comfort animal does not have the same protection as a service animal. BUT, he HAS to get her trained either way. Even a service dog can be thrown out for barking, jumping or otherwise being a nuisance.
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Post by freecharlie on Jun 28, 2017 1:42:53 GMT
I hate comfort animal status. It is so easy to get and there is little oversight and most people i know just want to keep their precious animal with them.
Real service animals go through a lot of training and are invaluable to their owners.
There is a reason places don't want to rent to someone with a pet. Trying to get around it just because you can't find an apartment sucks imo.
Want a pet? Find a place to live that accepts them or buy a house.
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Post by ntsf on Jun 28, 2017 1:47:25 GMT
at least as far as I can tell, a service dog does not have any requirements.. and you can just declare it. persons in authority can ask what condition the animal assists with. there is no "certification"..and there you go.. this is true in CA at least
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Post by ellen on Jun 28, 2017 1:50:25 GMT
If the dog barks a lot I would encourage them to find a place that accepts pets. Their neighbors will complain.
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Post by katelynr439 on Jun 28, 2017 1:51:06 GMT
This post is like Disaster 101.
- Bad choice of boyfriend
- Moving in with said boyfriend
- Mom coming to the rescue to get the dog spayed
- Generally enabling/codependent behavior from mom
But no, let's ignore all of that, the question is actually about a different Bad Life Choice! How do we scam the system?!
WHAT COULD GO WRONG?
I highly recommend you completely disentangle yourself from your daughter and her boyfriend's choices on everything having to do with their housing and pets. You're not going to be able to keep her from making this stupid choice, but maybe don't jump in as the Conductor of the train to Terrible-Choice-Town.
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Post by pridemom on Jun 28, 2017 1:51:53 GMT
Under the Fair Housing Act, people with disabilities are able to have an emotional support animal, even if the rental has a no pet policy. Pet deposits and fees for damages still apply. (Correction, pet deposits do not apply)
He would need a doctor's letter stating he has a disability and an emotional support animal is recommended.
I recommend basic training no matter what. Many communities have puppy training available.
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Post by freecharlie on Jun 28, 2017 1:53:27 GMT
Also just because the place will allow the pet with this status doesn't mean that the neighbors don't call the cops and file complaints
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Post by pridemom on Jun 28, 2017 1:54:50 GMT
at least as far as I can tell, a service dog does not have any requirements.. and you can just declare it. persons in authority can ask what condition the animal assists with. there is no "certification"..and there you go.. this is true in CA at least This is not a service animal. A service animal is highly trained to perform a specific service or services to their human handler. |
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Post by zookeeper on Jun 28, 2017 1:55:53 GMT
Pet deposits do not apply to ESA animals. Charges for damages....yes. Deposits and monthly or non-refundable pet fees....no. |
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Post by zookeeper on Jun 28, 2017 1:56:48 GMT
I do believe that CA has different policies for ESA animals that fall under state guidelines.
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Post by zookeeper on Jun 28, 2017 1:58:00 GMT
If the dog barks a lot I would encourage them to find a place that accepts pets. Their neighbors will complain. This. |
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Post by zookeeper on Jun 28, 2017 1:58:58 GMT
I hate comfort animal status. It is so easy to get and there is little oversight and most people i know just want to keep their precious animal with them. Real service animals go through a lot of training and are invaluable to their owners. There is a reason places don't want to rent to someone with a pet. Trying to get around it just because you can't find an apartment sucks imo. Want a pet? Find a place to live that accepts them or buy a house. I think I love you! |
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Post by pridemom on Jun 28, 2017 1:59:09 GMT
Pet deposits do not apply to ESA animals. Charges for damages....yes. Deposits and monthly or non-refundable pet fees....no. You're correct. After I posted I questioned what I wrote and looked it up. Thanks!! |
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Post by snappydog on Jun 28, 2017 1:59:48 GMT
I have a Seeing Eye Dog. She was bred and born to be a service dog. She was trained for two years before I trained with her for a month. We still train everyday. An ESA does not have the rights or a true service animal and frankly from what you described that animal has no business being labeled an ESA.
Please do not do this. You have no idea how taking an untrained makes it so much harder for the people who really use and need a service dog. A piece of paper from the internet DOES NOT make this dog an ESA. Honestly, it sounds like the boyfriend does not the added stress of making him responsible for the level of training required to make this animal a true ESA.
This is a huge mistake and frankly I am offended by people who pass their animals off as service animals. Many of my friends true service dogs have been attacked by these fakes. It really just unacceptable and legislation is being passed that makes this illegal in many states.
Just don't do it.
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Post by zookeeper on Jun 28, 2017 2:01:19 GMT
You're correct. After I posted I questioned what I wrote and looked it up. Thanks!! Welcome! |
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Post by MizIndependent on Jun 28, 2017 2:01:42 GMT
This post is like Disaster 101. - Bad choice of boyfriend - Moving in with said boyfriend - Mom coming to the rescue to get the dog spayed - Generally enabling/codependent behavior from mom But no, let's ignore all of that, the question is actually about a different Bad Life Choice! How do we scam the system?! WHAT COULD GO WRONG? I highly recommend you completely disentangle yourself from your daughter and her boyfriend's choices on everything having to do with their housing and pets. You're not going to be able to keep her from making this stupid choice, but maybe don't jump in as the Conductor of the train to Terrible-Choice-Town. I'm gonna have to agree here, the chances of this ending well are...remote. |
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Post by zookeeper on Jun 28, 2017 2:02:11 GMT
Please do not do this. You have no idea how taking an untrained makes it so much harder for the people who really use and need a service dog. A piece of paper from the internet DOES NOT make this dog an ESA. Honestly, it sounds like the boyfriend does not the added stress of making him responsible for the level of training required to make this animal a true ESA. This is a huge mistake and frankly I am offended by people who pass their animals off as service animals. Many of my friends true service dogs have been attacked by these fakes. It really just unacceptable and legislation is being passed that makes this illegal in many states. As a property manager....this is spot on. |
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Post by cindyupnorth on Jun 28, 2017 2:11:49 GMT
I've never heard of a comfort animal and I don't think that's protected by ADA or some other organization. Plus, I'd highly discourage someone with a dog who likes to bark from moving into an apartment. Get ready for lots of They are protected the manager actually sent me the law explanation |
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Post by kibblesandbits on Jun 28, 2017 2:12:30 GMT
So my dd wants to move in with her boyfriend. He's had a iffie up bringing. Lots of drama, bad parenting, and just one thing after another. He has ADHD, and high functioning Asperger's. Hasn't really had any direction in life, etc, etc. I could go on. ha. So he has a dog. It's a medium size dog. VERY friendly. About 4 yrs old. Lab/shepard mix. She is sort of wild. Has had no training. Not fixed. I am arranging to have her spayed in a few wks. We are hoping that will calm her down a bit. She likes to bark, and she likes NOT being outside. So they have been looking for apts. The choices of apts that allow pets, reasonably priced, and decent looking are slim. There are definitely more openings for Pet free. So I was talking to a property management company and she mentioned having the dog get the status of a comfort animal. Which would make sense, because it does help him. It keeps him busy, he walks her often. cares for her. keeps him busy. I don't think it would be a problem having a Dr, or therapist write a note. I think that's all he needs. Does anyone know anything about that? or any other ideas?
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Post by katelynr439 on Jun 28, 2017 2:15:08 GMT
I've never heard of a comfort animal and I don't think that's protected by ADA or some other organization. Plus, I'd highly discourage someone with a dog who likes to bark from moving into an apartment. Get ready for lots of They are protected the manager actually sent me the law explanation Why are YOU communicating with the property manager, not your daughter or the boyfriend?  |
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Post by cindyupnorth on Jun 28, 2017 2:15:55 GMT
A comfort animal does not have the same protection as a service animal. BUT, he HAS to get her trained either way. Even a service dog can be thrown out for barking, jumping or otherwise being a nuisance. I totally agree with the training. They are looking in to obedience school. A comfort animal actually does have protection. Here's the info she sent me: "Service animals are categorized as animals trained to do a specific task for their owner. The most common example is a guide dog. Service animals are allowed in public accommodations because of the owner’s need for the animal at all times. An assistance animal can be a cat, dog or other type of companion animal, and does not need to be trained to perform a service. The emotional and/or physical benefits from the animal living in the home are what qualify the animal as an assistance animal. A letter from a medical doctor or therapist is all that is needed to classify the animal as an assistance animal. The fact that the term “service animal” is often used by landlords and public housing authorities to refer to both service dogs and assistance animals often creates confusion. Some examples of assistance animals: · A cat who can detect and alerts their companion of oncoming seizures . · A dog who alleviates a person’s depression or anxiety. · A cat who reduces a person’s stress-induced pain. · A bird who alerts their hard-of-hearing companion when someone has come to the door. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2017 2:19:20 GMT
A comfort animal does not have the same protection as a service animal. BUT, he HAS to get her trained either way. Even a service dog can be thrown out for barking, jumping or otherwise being a nuisance. I totally agree with the training. They are looking in to obedience school. A comfort animal actually does have protection. Here's the info she sent me: "Service animals are categorized as animals trained to do a specific task for their owner. The most common example is a guide dog. Service animals are allowed in public accommodations because of the owner’s need for the animal at all times. An assistance animal can be a cat, dog or other type of companion animal, and does not need to be trained to perform a service. The emotional and/or physical benefits from the animal living in the home are what qualify the animal as an assistance animal. A letter from a medical doctor or therapist is all that is needed to classify the animal as an assistance animal. The fact that the term “service animal” is often used by landlords and public housing authorities to refer to both service dogs and assistance animals often creates confusion. Some examples of assistance animals: · A cat who can detect and alerts their companion of oncoming seizures . · A dog who alleviates a person’s depression or anxiety. · A cat who reduces a person’s stress-induced pain. · A bird who alerts their hard-of-hearing companion when someone has come to the door. He has a dog that is UNTRAINED and at four years old with no training is likely not trainable. An unruly service animal CAN be evicted. Are they ready to get rid of the dog when the landlord gets too many complaints about barking? Or are they ready to break the lease and move to keep an unruly dog. You are focused on one aspect of having the service dog. YOu aren't looking at the total picture here. But I know that is par for you. |
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Post by cindyupnorth on Jun 28, 2017 2:19:21 GMT
But no, let's ignore all of that, the question is actually about a different Bad Life Choice! How do we scam the system?! WHAT COULD GO WRONG? I highly recommend you completely disentangle yourself from your daughter and her boyfriend's choices on everything having to do with their housing and pets. You're not going to be able to keep her from making this stupid choice, but maybe don't jump in as the Conductor of the train to Terrible-Choice-Town. Ha. Well. I've posted on here enough about said boyfriend. And unfortunately, we feel like we have to step in at this point and help them out a bit. That's was parents do. We certainly are not doing all the work. They are. Just giving some direction. Like, helping them find a vet. Helping them make good choices. She's been with this boy for 7 yrs. We feel like at this point his parents are so dysfunction that we need to be the ones to step up. I don't have to justify the many reasons. ha. |
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Post by zookeeper on Jun 28, 2017 2:20:33 GMT
If the boyfriend got the dog originally to assist with alleviating his Asperger's or ADHD, then his doctor (not the internet) would have recommended this and written a letter at that time. To ask for a letter from the doctor after the fact to get past pet restrictions at an apartment community is just wrong.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Jun 28, 2017 2:21:09 GMT
I have a Seeing Eye Dog. She was bred and born to be a service dog. She was trained for two years before I trained with her for a month. We still train everyday. An ESA does not have the rights or a true service animal and frankly from what you described that animal has no business being labeled an ESA. Please do not do this. You have no idea how taking an untrained makes it so much harder for the people who really use and need a service dog. A piece of paper from the internet DOES NOT make this dog an ESA. Honestly, it sounds like the boyfriend does not the added stress of making him responsible for the level of training required to make this animal a true ESA. This is a huge mistake and frankly I am offended by people who pass their animals off as service animals. Many of my friends true service dogs have been attacked by these fakes. It really just unacceptable and legislation is being passed that makes this illegal in many states. Just don't do it. Sandy Not a service dog. comfort.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Jun 28, 2017 2:23:48 GMT
I find myself saying this a lot around here lately, but . . . how is any of this in any way remotely your business, or your job to fix? Definitely NOT fixing. Is my business. |
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Post by mom26 on Jun 28, 2017 2:25:35 GMT
I won't bother to add anything about how BAD the decisions being made are - you obviously aren't interested in listening anyway. But I have to ask - what is it with you and always adding 'HA' to your posts? Do you ever take anything seriously or are bad choices just funny to you? I am seriously wondering here.
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