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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 26, 2014 10:46:09 GMT
The two passengers should be held financially accountable for the plane having to divert to Chicago as well as any changes for those who issued their connecting flights or other inconveniences because of their selfish petty behavior.
The device is illegal in that airline the passenger who refused to remove it should have had it removed for h, and the woman who threw the water was being dramatic and crazy!
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Post by peppermintpatty on Aug 26, 2014 12:52:48 GMT
I have it and have used it. Sorry but I cannot stand it when the person in front of me thinks it is okay to recline all.the.way as soon as the flight departs. I put it on so that they can go back about halfway. You set the amount of give that the seat has. No one has ever said anything to me and I will continue to use it. I have long legs.
I have had it for years but I hardly fly. I was not the one who was very proud of it. It is just something I own.
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Post by alibama on Aug 26, 2014 13:02:33 GMT
I just heard this on the radio and I KNEW there would be a thread about it lol. I don't ever recline. I hate that they even allow the seats to do it.
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Aug 26, 2014 13:39:14 GMT
Yes, Ana, I had a Knee Defender and used it. No one on the flight ever complained nor was I told I could not use it. As Scrappower said, I feel entitled to the four inches of legroom I have on the plane. LOL
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Post by shanni on Aug 26, 2014 13:42:43 GMT
The article said that united has rules against using them, so the guy shouldn't have had it on there in the first place. When the attendant informed him that it was against the rules, he should have complied. That said, the woman was crazy and escalated things unnecessarily. She should have just let the flight attendant handle it or at most, try to reason with the guy. Throwing water in his face was WAY over the line. I feel really bad for the other passengers on the plane.
I also have a question for those who use or have used the seat defender. When you use it, do you recline? Or do you keep your seat upright?
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Post by georgiapea on Aug 26, 2014 13:51:18 GMT
That 'measley little 2 or 3 inches' puts the head of the reclining person right in the face of the person behind them. It makes it very difficult to use the tray table. Imagine trying to eat with a stranger's hair 2 inches from your own mouth.
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Post by gar on Aug 26, 2014 13:55:47 GMT
That 'measley little 2 or 3 inches' puts the head of the reclining person right in the face of the person behind them. It makes it very difficult to use the tray table. Imagine trying to eat with a stranger's hair 2 inches from your own mouth. Oh please...............exaggerate much?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2014 13:56:59 GMT
I'd like to know if the people who use the defender, recline their own seat. I'm betting many do.
IMO, effing with someone else's seat on an airplane is ballsy and stupid.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2014 13:57:01 GMT
OMG! I thought the same thing when I heard the story on the news this morning. I was laughing my butt off on the treadmill imagining one of us shoving the "knee saver" into the back of the seat! Ha!
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Post by Darcy Collins on Aug 26, 2014 14:28:10 GMT
Seriously? Who gets that bent over not being able to recline a seat for three or four hours? It wasn't an international flight! They were both being asshats, but the woman throwing water on the man--- that was seriously over the line. You have to remember when you're flying domestic, you have no idea where the people started their day. For all we know the crazy lady could have started her day in Berlin and was on her 3rd flight and 20th hour of travel. I have flown hundreds of thousands of miles and have only had a couple incidents regarding reclining. One where I was behind a person who flew their seat back so quickly it bashed my laptop. I have no issue with someone reclining, but move slowly - it's tight quarters. The other was where someone called the flight attendant and complained that I was reclining my seat. It was a domestic flight - Atlanta to SF. It was an afternoon flight. I have no doubt the "gentleman" behind me thought I was crazy to need to recline for a DOMESTIC flight of only about 5 hours. But I had connected in Atlanta from a 15 hour flight from South Africa. FYI the flight attendant told the passenger the seats were made to recline, and as long as it wasn't take off and landing, I was welcome to recline.
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Post by doxielady on Aug 26, 2014 14:45:40 GMT
One thing that I am sure of...I would NOT want to be a flight attendant!
Can you imagine what they have to hear, put up with and see, on a daily basis? Oiy! People are tired, cranky, cramped and shoved next to people that they probably don't want to be THAT close to and there are bound to be fireworks. My hats off to them that THEY don't slap some of these passengers themselves!
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Post by peppermintpatty on Aug 26, 2014 14:50:49 GMT
Like I said, I do not set them so the person cannot recline, I set it so they cannot go all the way back. I will put my seat back a little, the same as I want the person in front of me to do. I am not completely heartless and I cannot sit straight up for extended periods of time but I don't need the persons head 4 inches from mine. Yes, I have had that before.
You should also know that you cannot have the knee defender in place if your tray table is up. You have to have it down in order to have the room to attach them.
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Post by epeanymous on Aug 26, 2014 14:51:07 GMT
Ugh. I fly a lot and thankfully never have seen a dust up over reclining seats. I also don't think I have ever had a domestic flight where the reclining mechanism landed someone in my lap. Sometimes it makes it difficult to use my laptop, but that is about it. I usually only recline on a redeye flight, but it is absolutely true that there are people even on domestic flights who have had long international flights preceding them for whom that domestic flight is, effectively, a redeye.
I would be so ticked if my flight ended up delayed because of those passengers.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2014 14:51:31 GMT
I'm glad the airlines are banning these products. The seats recline. You don't get to decide if someone uses the features of their seat.
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Post by luckyexwife on Aug 26, 2014 14:55:15 GMT
One thing that I am sure of...I would NOT want to be a flight attendant!
Can you imagine what they have to hear, put up with and see, on a daily basis? Oiy! People are tired, cranky, cramped and shoved next to people that they probably don't want to be THAT close to and there are bound to be fireworks. My hats off to them that THEY don't slap some of these passengers themselves! I wanted to be a flight attendant, and during high school I researched it and found a great training center to go to. My parents refused and insisted I get a 4 year degree first. I'm so glad, after seeing what the job has turned into. I have a friend that works as one, and the stories she has are insane!
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Post by Dalai Mama on Aug 26, 2014 15:33:57 GMT
That 'measley little 2 or 3 inches' puts the head of the reclining person right in the face of the person behind them. It makes it very difficult to use the tray table. Imagine trying to eat with a stranger's hair 2 inches from your own mouth. I would love to know which airline you travel. In the US, I've travelled Delta, AA, UA. The greatest recline I've experienced has been about 110 degrees (about 6 inches). I haven't travelled SW but I read an article that stated that theirs is < 105 degrees.
I used Jet Airways to travel to Europe and their recline was a whopping 122 degrees and even with a pitch of 32 inches the person in front of me still didn't have their hair two inches from my mouth.
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Post by Rhondito on Aug 26, 2014 16:00:42 GMT
That 'measley little 2 or 3 inches' puts the head of the reclining person right in the face of the person behind them. It makes it very difficult to use the tray table. Imagine trying to eat with a stranger's hair 2 inches from your own mouth. I've found that fake sneezes and coughing helps
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Post by MizIndependent on Aug 26, 2014 16:09:06 GMT
Captain Obvious here, you know...this whole thing is actually United's fault. If their seats weren't so damned close together, there wouldn't be any need for a Knee Defender.
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Post by Katie on Aug 26, 2014 16:21:24 GMT
I honestly HATE that the seats recline, and wish airlines would eliminate that feature. I am 6 feet tall and I need every bit of space I can get -- without forking over an extra grand for first class. I hate that people recline in front of me, and therefore I never ever recline my seat. And that even applies to the times I have flown on 10 hour flights overseas.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Aug 26, 2014 16:27:02 GMT
I honestly HATE that the seats recline, and wish airlines would eliminate that feature. I am 6 feet tall and I need every bit of space I can get -- without forking over an extra grand for first class. I hate that people recline in front of me, and therefore I never ever recline my seat. And that even applies to the times I have flown on 10 hour flights overseas. Your other option is paying just a bit more to preselect your seat. That's how we got our bulkheads going to and from Palau.
ETA* My son is 6 feet tall and he just straightens his legs and tucks his feet under the seat in front of him. He's never had an issue. Of course it means that any carry-on he has goes into the overhead bin rather than the seat in front of him.
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Post by tracylynn on Aug 26, 2014 16:37:21 GMT
The seats recline so little, I can't see how it can possibly make a difference to the person behind. I am crossing the pond and then heading to Africa in about two weeks! I hope I have no one like this on my plane In a normal seat, to have a laptop set on the tray table and then the person recline, would be horrible. That said, they were in economy plus. This would NOT be an issue at all. There are several inches of extra space and the guy should have easily been able to use his laptop on the tray table and still been fine. He was being a douche. Not that her behavior was correct either. Honestly, I rarely recline, but if I tried to and couldn't, I would assume the seat was broken and not say a word.
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Aug 26, 2014 16:48:14 GMT
"any carry-on he has goes into the overhead bin rather than the seat in front of him."
That means if he's got more than one bag, he's using more than his allotted space in the overhead. So he just assures his comfort at the expense of another; just like those who recline and those who object to reclining.
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Post by Karenina on Aug 26, 2014 16:54:19 GMT
Ha - this is a lot of drama! I'm glad to be 5'2". When I get on the plane, I curl up in a ball and fall asleep
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Post by Dalai Mama on Aug 26, 2014 17:03:44 GMT
"any carry-on he has goes into the overhead bin rather than the seat in front of him." That means if he's got more than one bag, he's using more than his allotted space in the overhead. So he just assures his comfort at the expense of another; just like those who recline and those who object to reclining. Why would he have more than one bag? Don't most airlines only allow one carry-on?
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Aug 26, 2014 17:16:40 GMT
Most allow 2 - one larger and one smaller. However, many people seem to carry on two large bags. I don't know why the flight attendants don't make them check one. Overhead space is at a premium which is why people flock to be among the first on the plane.
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Post by I-95 on Aug 26, 2014 17:36:53 GMT
No, the device is not illegal on any airline, because they are not illegal. United and most major airlines prefer you not to use them, but United doesn't make laws, they can only make rules. The guy was within his rights to say no (that might make him a jerk, but not a criminal) The woman, however, committed an assault, and that is illegal.
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Post by I-95 on Aug 26, 2014 17:39:29 GMT
You're allowed one carry on and one 'personal item'. The carry on is usually a small rolling bag, stuffed to the max, and the personal item is usually defined as a briefcase or purse...and I've seen some GIANT purses come onboard!!
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Post by Dalai Mama on Aug 26, 2014 17:44:09 GMT
Most allow 2 - one larger and one smaller. However, many people seem to carry on two large bags. I don't know why the flight attendants don't make them check one. Overhead space is at a premium which is why people flock to be among the first on the plane. I'm the only one in the family that takes the allowed 'personal item'. For me, it's my camera bag and I won't let it out of my sight so it goes under the seat.
Both of the boys went with us to Cuba last week and fit all of their clothing and electronics in their school backpack with room to spare. On that airline, carry-on was limited to 5kg and they actually weighed it to make sure it wasn't over. It kind of sucked for me because I tend to go for compact rather than light.
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Post by scrappinmama on Aug 26, 2014 17:54:14 GMT
It worries me that we are becoming so intolerant of each other. This is not how we should treat each other, and certainly not the example we should show our children. Imagine children who witnessed two grown people fighting over a damn seat?
I personally don't care if someone reclines. That is what the seat is designed to do. But be courteous and don't just throw it back.
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Post by melanell on Aug 26, 2014 18:02:53 GMT
It is completely ridiculous, and yet, sadly unsurprising, that 2 grown adults could both choose to be so stubborn and disrespectful that an entire flight has to be delayed over an hour so that they can be removed from the flight like two misbehaving toddlers on a playground. A classic case of cutting off your nose to spite your face. Your extra 4" of room are so important to you that you wind up getting kicked off your flight completely. Congratulations.
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