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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 9:28:03 GMT
Needless to say this has been on the news here for the last few days. I heard an American reporter on the radio this morning. He said that she is the 547th person killed by police. The Australian guy asked over what period of time, and was shocked when told THIS YEAR. 547 people killed by police in 6½ months. WTF. I am guessing the Australian experience is someone different, yes? Not just Australia. You'll find that most if not all developed countries do. Although this article is 2 years old but it does put things in perspective of how high the US ranks in police shootings By the numbers US police kill more in days than other developed countries do in years
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Post by AussieMeg on Jul 19, 2017 9:32:37 GMT
The latest report I heard is that there were fireworks at the time, and it is thought that the cop who fired the shots heard the fireworks, thought the person standing at the car was shooting at them and shot her.
Here are my thoughts:
I am not brave enough nor physically or mentally strong enough to be a cop. I have friends who are cops. It's a bloody tough job, I get that.
This kind of thing is not going to happen in Australia. Most people don't have guns, so the police are not going to assume that anyone they pull over or encounter are likely to be armed. This kind of thing is not going to happen in NZ or the UK. Most people don't have guns and even the police generally don't carry guns.
It's no surprise to me that the country with the highest rate of fatal police shootings is also the country with the highest gun ownership rate in the world. It's appalling that the police in the US are so trigger happy, but a small part of me feels for them - imagine going to work every day thinking that there's a possibility you're going to die today. No wonder they're jumpy. (I am NOT excusing the cop in this or any other fatal shooting of innocent people.)
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Post by gar on Jul 19, 2017 10:03:22 GMT
It's no surprise to me that the country with the highest rate of fatal police shootings is also the country with the highest gun ownership rate in the world. It's appalling that the police in the US are so trigger happy, but a small part of me feels for them - imagine going to work every day thinking that there's a possibility you're going to die today. No wonder they're jumpy. (I am NOT excusing the cop in this or any other fatal shooting of innocent people.) I have to agree. That fear that anyone could have or is likely to have a gun must be frightening. While it's possible here at least, it is a lot less likely. Your PM, Mr Turnbull has been quoted as saying it's inexplicable that a woman in her pyjamas seeking help is shot...but it isn't at all inexplicable because of what you just said.
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Post by epeanymous on Jul 19, 2017 10:07:57 GMT
Oh, I know. I was mostly being bitter about where the US is with gun violence.
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Post by ginacivey on Jul 19, 2017 12:19:07 GMT
The media have certainly been reporting it over here and I was so surprised that nobody was talking about it on the peas. really? it doesn't surprise me in the least gina
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jul 19, 2017 12:42:13 GMT
All I have heard as far as details is that there was a loud noise that spooked the police before the passenger shot her. I'm not sure if they were actually talking to her yet or if she was walking up to the car.
IMO, instances of people being killed by police are all different. But the similarities are that there are too many guns in the country, and police react quickly when they feel threatened. Sometimes that ends up being the wrong thing to have done in the long run. I wish we as a country would do something about that.
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Post by annabella on Jul 19, 2017 13:33:06 GMT
The latest report I heard is that there were fireworks at the time, and it is thought that the cop who fired the shots heard the fireworks, thought the person standing at the car was shooting at them and shot her. They could see if she was pointing something at them and make the distinction. He is refusing to talk to cops probably on the advice of counsel. He has the same rights of anyone else being questioned in a shooting investigation. He will have been notified of his rights, and chose to exercise them. I personally find that cowardly of him - especially if he feels that it was a justified shooting. But frankly, if I was his lawyer, I would advise him the same way. This is absurd, this goes against everything police officers are supposed to do, investigate and discover the truth. The media have certainly been reporting it over here and I was so surprised that nobody was talking about it on the peas. Yep guess Olan doesn't care when it's a white woman that gets shot by a black officer. www.foxnews.com/us/2017/07/18/mohamed-noor-somali-american-cop-who-allegedly-shot-jessica-damond-lauded-by-community.html"In his short time with the Minneapolis Police, Noor has had three complaints filed against him – two that are still open. The other was closed and Noor wasn’t disciplined."
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Post by AnotherPea on Jul 19, 2017 14:01:23 GMT
I could never be a cop. Could never be married to a cop. Especially since all of the "hands up, don't shoot" Black-Lives-Matter-morphs-into-Cops'-Lives-Don't crap. To know when you walk out each day that masses of people are calling for your extermination, when all you want to do is protect and serve... couldn't do it.
This guy had no business wielding a gun if he was going to be so jumpy. If it is true that fireworks caused him to shoot, that is on him and on his department for not assessing him better. This is truly a tragic situation.
However, I don't think the fact that he has had three complaints already necessarily plays into this. I read about one of the complaints and I can see why it was dismissed. If the other two are just as trivial, it is a shame that the media are releasing that information in the hopes of tainting his character.
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Post by Olan on Jul 19, 2017 15:17:31 GMT
I could never be a cop. Could never be married to a cop. Especially since all of the "hands up, don't shoot" Black-Lives-Matter-morphs-into-Cops'-Lives-Don't crap. To know when you walk out each day that masses of people are calling for your extermination, when all you want to do is protect and serve... couldn't do it. This guy had no business wielding a gun if he was going to be so jumpy. If it is true that fireworks caused him to shoot, that is on him and on his department for not assessing him better. This is truly a tragic situation. However, I don't think the fact that he has had three complaints already necessarily plays into this. I read about one of the complaints and I can see why it was dismissed. If the other two are just as trivial, it is a shame that the media are releasing that information in the hopes of tainting his character. No one is calling for the extermination of LEO. Unless you consider the number of white men who kill police and even then they are mostly mentally ill. Back in the '90's when it was uncovered how many wife beaters doubled as the LEO there was a huge push both nationally and in each local precinct to "address" the issue. Policing needs to see some major changes and until citizens demand it, it won't happen.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Jul 19, 2017 17:36:56 GMT
They could see if she was pointing something at them and make the distinction. No, It was pitch dark at night, and she was holding her cellphone. This is absurd, this goes against everything police officers are supposed to do, investigate and discover the truth. Again, the tensions have been very high between the public and police here. Esp after the high profile cases.
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Post by myshelly on Jul 19, 2017 17:47:53 GMT
The article says he shot through the open window but the medical examiner said she died of a gunshot wound to the abdomen. How is that even possible??? her lower chest through to upper abodomen was framed by the open window if she was standing by the car I can't believe the shooter shot across the body of his partner. What if he had turned his body at the wrong moment? The medical examiner has ruled her death a homicide so I'm assuming the charges are coming. The medical examiner doesn't decide whether to file charges. Homicide as a cause of death simply means that the death was caused by a human being. It is not a legal opinion or judgment and does not mean that a crime has been committed.
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Post by Prenticekid on Jul 19, 2017 18:36:48 GMT
Cops don't always believe they are in danger....they are taught to say that in these incidents. I feared my life was in danger. He was making terroristic threats. He moved. There was a bulge in his pocket. This guy was startled by fireworks??? So startled that he got his gun out of his holster while in a sitting position, extended his arm past his partner, in between a partner and steering wheel? C'mon. That is just not believable. These guys are trained. No training would have taught him that that was okay to do. Something is awry.
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Post by bc2ca on Jul 19, 2017 18:47:57 GMT
her lower chest through to upper abodomen was framed by the open window if she was standing by the car I can't believe the shooter shot across the body of his partner. What if he had turned his body at the wrong moment? The medical examiner has ruled her death a homicide so I'm assuming the charges are coming. The medical examiner doesn't decide whether to file charges.
Homicide as a cause of death simply means that the death was caused by a human being. It is not a legal opinion or judgment and does not mean that a crime has been committed. I realize that and didn't mean to imply it was the medical examiner's decision to whether or not to press charges.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 19:35:37 GMT
And the officer who shot the woman is apparently refusing to be interviewed. Wtf He is refusing to talk to cops probably on the advice of counsel. He has the same rights of anyone else being questioned in a shooting investigation. He will have been notified of his rights, and chose to exercise them. I personally find that cowardly of him - especially if he feels that it was a justified shooting. But frankly, if I was his lawyer, I would advise him the same way. This is a very troubling and tragic case. I feel for the victim's family and am happy to hear that an outside agency is being brought in to investigate. SaveSaveI don't think it's cowardly at all. From what we do know it's hard to imagine how this was justified, but his family is innocent and needs to be protected from the crazy people who will hear the bare minimum facts of the case and go after him and his family based on what they think happened. I feel feel terrible for the victim and her family. Such a sad tragic loss.
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Post by mikklynn on Jul 19, 2017 19:40:12 GMT
No one is calling for the extermination of LEO. Unless you consider the number of white men who kill police and even then they are mostly mentally ill. Back in the '90's when it was uncovered how many wife beaters doubled as the LEO there was a huge push both nationally and in each local precinct to "address" the issue. Policing needs to see some major changes and until citizens demand it, it won't happen. I agree. I was stunned to learn the officer involved can't be forced to talk to the investigators at the BCA (Bureau of Criminal Apprehension). It's voluntary! I understand 5th amendment rights, but he should have to give an account. I don't know where to draw the line here.
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Post by Olan on Jul 19, 2017 19:50:05 GMT
No one is calling for the extermination of LEO. Unless you consider the number of white men who kill police and even then they are mostly mentally ill. Back in the '90's when it was uncovered how many wife beaters doubled as the LEO there was a huge push both nationally and in each local precinct to "address" the issue. Policing needs to see some major changes and until citizens demand it, it won't happen. I agree. I was stunned to learn the officer involved can't be forced to talk to the investigators at the BCA (Bureau of Criminal Apprehension). It's voluntary! I understand 5th amendment rights, but he should have to give an account. I don't know where to draw the line here. The line is an easy one to draw. Hold LEO accountable.
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Post by scrapgirl on Jul 19, 2017 22:06:18 GMT
He is refusing to talk to cops probably on the advice of counsel. He has the same rights of anyone else being questioned in a shooting investigation. He will have been notified of his rights, and chose to exercise them. I personally find that cowardly of him - especially if he feels that it was a justified shooting. But frankly, if I was his lawyer, I would advise him the same way. This is a very troubling and tragic case. I feel for the victim's family and am happy to hear that an outside agency is being brought in to investigate. SaveSaveI don't think it's cowardly at all. From what we do know it's hard to imagine how this was justified, but his family is innocent and needs to be protected from the crazy people who will hear the bare minimum facts of the case and go after him and his family based on what they think happened. I feel feel terrible for the victim and her family. Such a sad tragic loss. I meant that I find it cowardly that he will not talk to investigators if indeed he believes the shooting was justified. If he thinks it was, then he needs to communicate the why of the shooting - because right now it looks like he made a really bad call in a circumstance where his partner did not make the same judgement call about being in danger, and a woman paid for his bad judgement call with her life. If he believes it was justified, he should make his case so that investigators can try to prove - or disprove - his viewpoint on the shooting. If however he knows, upon reflection, that he made a bad call and the shooting was not justified, then it's not cowardly, it is wise (in a legal sense) to make no comments as he will only incriminate himself. SaveSave
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Post by Dani-Mani on Jul 19, 2017 23:22:59 GMT
Why is it being glossed over that she approached a police car in a neighborhood they believed an active crime to be occuring in the dark?
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Post by stampnscrap1128 on Jul 19, 2017 23:54:12 GMT
Why is it being glossed over that she approached a police car in a neighborhood they believed an active crime to be occuring in the dark? Since she was the initial caller, she probably thought she'd be safe enough to go talk to the police. I would probably walk over to talk to them if I had been the one to call. It honestly would not cross my mind that the police would deliberately shoot me. Guess if I ever have to call, I will be careful and not trust anyone. Sad commentary of our times.
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Post by pjaye on Jul 20, 2017 0:11:49 GMT
Why is it being glossed over that she approached a police car in a neighborhood they believed an active crime to be occuring in the dark? WTF? I don't see how anything is being "glossed over" The facts as we currently know them are that she thought she heard someone assaulting a woman near her house, she was worried and called the police, it was at night and she was wearing her PJs. It's very likely she was waiting for the police to arrive and went up to the car to tell them what was happening, why she rang etc. I think as the caller, asking for help from the police it would be perfectly normal to approach the police car in that situation. I would have done exactly the same thing. 99% of the time if a woman was being assaulted by someone at night - it's going to be by a man. If a man had rushed up to the car, I can understand the police being on high alert that this may be the attacker, but a woman in her PJs - when a woman made the call? Seems totally logical that she would approach the police car thinking they were here to help and would want to talk to her.
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Post by AllieC on Jul 20, 2017 0:29:22 GMT
Why is it being glossed over that she approached a police car in a neighborhood they believed an active crime to be occuring in the dark? WTF? I don't see how anything is being "glossed over" The facts as we currently know them are that she thought she heard someone assaulting a woman near her house, she was worried and called the police, it was at night and she was wearing her PJs. It's very likely she was waiting for the police to arrive and went up to the car to tell them what was happening, why she rang etc. I think as the caller, asking for help from the police it would be perfectly normal to approach the police car in that situation. I would have done exactly the same thing. 99% of the time if a woman was being assaulted by someone at night - it's going to be by a man. If a man had rushed up to the car, I can understand the police being on high alert that this may be the attacker, but a woman in her PJs - when a woman made the call? Seems totally logical that she would approach the police car thinking they were here to help and would want to talk to her. Totally agree.
dani-Mani I am not sure how long she had lived in the US but we just don't have that fear of guns being involved in every situation here. I would have done exactly the same thing and approached the police - in fact I have, pyjamas and all and in no way did I think I was in danger.
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Post by Zee on Jul 20, 2017 0:44:20 GMT
WTF? I don't see how anything is being "glossed over" The facts as we currently know them are that she thought she heard someone assaulting a woman near her house, she was worried and called the police, it was at night and she was wearing her PJs. It's very likely she was waiting for the police to arrive and went up to the car to tell them what was happening, why she rang etc. I think as the caller, asking for help from the police it would be perfectly normal to approach the police car in that situation. I would have done exactly the same thing. 99% of the time if a woman was being assaulted by someone at night - it's going to be by a man. If a man had rushed up to the car, I can understand the police being on high alert that this may be the attacker, but a woman in her PJs - when a woman made the call? Seems totally logical that she would approach the police car thinking they were here to help and would want to talk to her. Totally agree.
dani-Mani I am not sure how long she had lived in the US but we just don't have that fear of guns being involved in every situation here. I would have done exactly the same thing and approached the police - in fact I have, pyjamas and all and in no way did I think I was in danger.
FTR, I've never lived in a place where I'd feel it was unwise to approach a cop car when I'm the one who made the call. Jesus Christ, is this what it's come to? As I've said before, if you're that fucking jumpy, you need a different career. There needs to be a better way to weed these unfit people out, though I don't know what that would be. I think the military needs to do the same. Of course, I'd make a terrible cop. "It wasn't you? Ok, have a good day!"...drives off to donut shop, ignoring 16 expired tags and illegal turns along the way...
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Post by Dani-Mani on Jul 20, 2017 0:46:03 GMT
I do feel it's being glossed over when you look at all the reasons people have for why some of these shootings have occurred in other situations. People harp on the fact you need to keep your hands on the wheel if pulled over, don't do this, don't do that, etc.
To me, this is no different.
At the same time, she's no more responsible for her death than some of those shot by the police recently (and please note the word some; some were, in my opinion, justified). But you can't blame someone for not putting their hands on the wheel and then not place blame for approaching a police car in the dark after reporting an active crime. So many people on a thread said they've never been taught what to do when pulled over, so again, I don't see how it's okay to use her ignorance but not others?
I'm struggling with what a lot of people see as double standard, that's all.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Jul 20, 2017 1:08:12 GMT
I am not placing blame, or saying anyone was at fault. I'm just going to state the facts here that are being shared with us in MN.
Justine called 911 2xs because she thought she heard a sexual assault behind her house. it was pitch black out, dark in mn. There has been a lot of recent unrest in MN from recent high profile shootings, and the recent Castile case. Lots of marches, protests, etc. Police have been threatened, and on high alert. Justine thought the police were lost, she went out to find them in the alley behind her house. the police were driving down the alley, with their lights OFF, several houses down. There was an apparently loud noise, like fire crackers, or gun shots that went off, right before she approached them. this spooked the police, and the one had drawn his gun. apparently she surprised them, and the one cop reached across his partner, and shot her. I think this would have been a normal call until the loud noises, and they probably should have put their body cameras on at that point, but I think it may have all happened so fast.
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Post by annabella on Jul 20, 2017 1:52:50 GMT
I think this a complete tragedy and it's terrible she lost her life. However I think it's unwise to get involved in police activity. If something was going on in her alley, she should have let them find it and stay inside. What if the assailant attacked her or she got caught in some crossfire shooting between the assailant and the police? Not sure how the police would find any suspects with their lights off? People can hear a car driving through. The police really should have been walking through the alley to thoroughly investigate every bush and behind dumpsters and she should have stayed home, not try to save the life of a woman she may or may not have heard. In the aftermath of her shooting, I'm sure a dozen cars showed up and if there was a couple in the alley someone would have seen them exit.
Did 911 call her back and ask for her assistance? How does she know they needed a civilian's help? Again she could have given her address over the phone and they walk up to her apt to look out her window to get a feel for what area she's referring to. It may have come out of a neighbor's apt window. I understand she had a good heart and was a good Samaritan, but nighttime/alleys/police = dangerous combo.
I dated a police officer many years ago and he told me once he was sitting in his car and someone approached his car and knocked on his window and because he didn't see the person coming it scared the shit out of him and he grabbed his gun and was angry at the person, like how dare he do that. I think we as civilians don't understand the fear police officers have of their life. Because I would have thought nothing of knocking on a police officers car window if I needed help. We don't see if from their angle. Just this month a police woman in NYC was was murdered sitting in her car. The fear is real for them.
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Post by scrappinspidey2 on Jul 20, 2017 2:08:33 GMT
I see all kinds of issues with this story on both sides. If I were in his shoes, I absolutely would lawyer up and follow what they say. The climate for police officers is bad on both sides. The public hates them and the departments are starting to cave to public pressure and get rid of officers in the heat of the moment. They are stuck even if they are innocent or are involved in a good shoot. I wouldn't say a THING without legal representation. Every one has a right in this country not to talk and this includes cops. It should be that way.
I also agree with Dani-Mani and Annabella. I think its also very easy to sit back and Monday morning quarterback about what we would do. Its much harder when you do the job and are in a situation like that. That said, I have issues with him firing inside a vehicle like that so very close to his partner and his reasons for it better be way better than what it currently appears to be. But again, easy to say from the cheap seats, but as a cops wife, if this turns out like it looks (jumpy cop) I would want a piece of him for endangering my loved one in the vehicle with him. I would never make a good cop either.
I do agree with an outside agency reviewing this incident. I think that is a very wise move on the departments part
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jul 20, 2017 2:51:14 GMT
I do feel it's being glossed over when you look at all the reasons people have for why some of these shootings have occurred in other situations. People harp on the fact you need to keep your hands on the wheel if pulled over, don't do this, don't do that, etc. To me, this is no different. At the same time, she's no more responsible for her death than some of those shot by the police recently (and please note the word some; some were, in my opinion, justified). But you can't blame someone for not putting their hands on the wheel and then not place blame for approaching a police car in the dark after reporting an active crime. So many people on a thread said they've never been taught what to do when pulled over, so again, I don't see how it's okay to use her ignorance but not others? I'm struggling with what a lot of people see as double standard, that's all. I was thinking about this today as well. We don't have as much info in this case as usual, except that she is a pretty white, Australian woman who was a bride to be, and who was shot by a Somali officer. I have noticed that in other cases, there are a lot of comments online that blame the victim, make excuses for the cop, or discredit the victim/witness (she was a stripper, bad mother, shouldn't have moved that way, etc). This time, it appears that the police officer is the one being discredited (listing his complaints, etc). I don't have enough info to make much of a judgement, but it does seem like an unjustified shooting. I've just noticed that the responses are different than in the past.
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Post by gar on Jul 20, 2017 6:56:03 GMT
I think this a complete tragedy and it's terrible she lost her life. However I think it's unwise to get involved in police activity. If something was going on in her alley, she should have let them find it and stay inside. What if the assailant attacked her or she got caught in some crossfire shooting between the assailant and the police? Not sure how the police would find any suspects with their lights off? People can hear a car driving through. The police really should have been walking through the alley to thoroughly investigate every bush and behind dumpsters and she should have stayed home, not try to save the life of a woman she may or may not have heard. In the aftermath of her shooting, I'm sure a dozen cars showed up and if there was a couple in the alley someone would have seen them exit. Did 911 call her back and ask for her assistance? How does she know they needed a civilian's help? Again she could have given her address over the phone and they walk up to her apt to look out her window to get a feel for what area she's referring to. It may have come out of a neighbor's apt window. I understand she had a good heart and was a good Samaritan, but nighttime/alleys/police = dangerous combo. I dated a police officer many years ago and he told me once he was sitting in his car and someone approached his car and knocked on his window and because he didn't see the person coming it scared the shit out of him and he grabbed his gun and was angry at the person, like how dare he do that. I think we as civilians don't understand the fear police officers have of their life. Because I would have thought nothing of knocking on a police officers car window if I needed help. We don't see if from their angle. Just this month a police woman in NYC was was murdered sitting in her car. The fear is real for them. And dani -mani, can't remember how long she'd lived in America but this line of thinking might be obvious to you/Americans and wasn't to her as an Australian.
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Post by miominmio on Jul 20, 2017 7:02:53 GMT
I think this a complete tragedy and it's terrible she lost her life. However I think it's unwise to get involved in police activity. If something was going on in her alley, she should have let them find it and stay inside. What if the assailant attacked her or she got caught in some crossfire shooting between the assailant and the police? Not sure how the police would find any suspects with their lights off? People can hear a car driving through. The police really should have been walking through the alley to thoroughly investigate every bush and behind dumpsters and she should have stayed home, not try to save the life of a woman she may or may not have heard. In the aftermath of her shooting, I'm sure a dozen cars showed up and if there was a couple in the alley someone would have seen them exit. Did 911 call her back and ask for her assistance? How does she know they needed a civilian's help? Again she could have given her address over the phone and they walk up to her apt to look out her window to get a feel for what area she's referring to. It may have come out of a neighbor's apt window. I understand she had a good heart and was a good Samaritan, but nighttime/alleys/police = dangerous combo. I dated a police officer many years ago and he told me once he was sitting in his car and someone approached his car and knocked on his window and because he didn't see the person coming it scared the shit out of him and he grabbed his gun and was angry at the person, like how dare he do that. I think we as civilians don't understand the fear police officers have of their life. Because I would have thought nothing of knocking on a police officers car window if I needed help. We don't see if from their angle. Just this month a police woman in NYC was was murdered sitting in her car. The fear is real for them. And dani -mani, can't remember how long she'd lived in America but this line of thinking might be obvious to you/Americans and wasn't to her as an Australian. What gar said. We have hardly any gun violence here (last year we had a total of 27 murders here, and no police officers were injured in the line of duty). That the police officer arriving would pose a threat to me, wouldn't even be on my radar. Not to mention that he wouldn't be, since our police Force isn't armed in normal circumstances.
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Post by uksue on Jul 20, 2017 7:26:34 GMT
This woman's book about how the police are trained and react in America is really really thought provoking . She emphasises how poorly police are trained in many cases- especially when it comes to de-escalating a situation,which is or should be high on their priority list. She also looks into the phrase 'contempt of cop' and believes it's the cause of many inappropriate arrests, and unlawful killings by PO . I've seen her talk on lots of programmes and she's very eloquent and informed, as an ex LA cop herself . www.thelosangelespost.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/cheryl-dorsey-book.jpg
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