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Post by iheartsanfrancisco on Aug 27, 2014 7:58:15 GMT
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Post by gar on Aug 27, 2014 8:14:10 GMT
That was my first thought too, but as I'm English I know my thoughts on guns are inherently different to many Americans.
Poor child will live with that for ever even though it wasn't her fault.
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Post by lesley on Aug 27, 2014 8:19:47 GMT
How awful. Like Gar, my thoughts on guns are quite different to many in the US, but I also wonder why a child of 9 needs to be able to handle such a powerful weapon.
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Post by Gennifer on Aug 27, 2014 8:19:51 GMT
I don't even have words. When will this madness end?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 8:22:58 GMT
An uzi? When does a 9 year old need to learn to use a gun of that magnitude? If I lived in the south I would probably be packing, but I somehow don't think an uzi is necessary. I love living in Canada knowing I will never need (inshallah) a gun for protection. Never say never though.
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Post by gar on Aug 27, 2014 8:26:45 GMT
I am assuming that it was just for entertainment, a family event, not anything she *needed*. They were on holiday I believe and stopped at the centre where children can fire guns under adult supervision. While I can see that, if guns are part of your everyday life, teaching your child to shoot would be no big deal to some, why an Uzi? The recoil must have been a known factor wasn't it?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 10:06:52 GMT
Tragic and preventable accident. Poor judgment, something we can all be guilty of in any given situation.
My daughters shoot guns, have since they were about that age. But we never would have put them behind a gun like that. Never.
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Post by christine58 on Aug 27, 2014 11:16:49 GMT
I would think that there's an age limit for these gun ranges. This is just so tragic.
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Post by doxielady on Aug 27, 2014 11:33:07 GMT
I saw this posted on FB yesterday and I think I was left speechless. Someone posted that they knew the family and to please be kind in the comments. But it was almost universally people astounded that a child that age and size would be handed a weapon like that.
In the video, you can see that he has a hold of her for the first test shot, but then he seems to step back and that is when she fired again and seemed to lose a hold of the gun. The recoil was just too much for her. As it would probably be for many adults.
My heart breaks for both families. What a horrible thing to live with...and the guilt.
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Aug 27, 2014 11:40:37 GMT
Our family and extended family own guns and all grew up learning how to shoot. Hunting and shooting sports (clays, target shooting, range shooting, etc) are second-nature to many people I know. But there's not one person in our family who would ever hand a child of any age an Uzi.
I understand that gun range does have an age limit of at least 8 years old. But there ought to be a much higher age limit on handling weapons of certain power and caliber. I'm sure now there will be. It's tragic that it will be too late for all the people involved in this horrible incident.
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Post by gar on Aug 27, 2014 11:46:42 GMT
I would think that there's an age limit for these gun ranges. This is just so tragic. There is and she was able to be there using that gun with adult supervision. This is a (presumably) licensed place run by professionals.....who seem to think it is ok for a child to handle a gun like that. Where's the common sense?
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Post by lovetodigi on Aug 27, 2014 11:59:25 GMT
Stupidity, plain and simple. Because of the lack of good judgement on the part of the parents and the gun range, a family no longer has a loved one in their lives and a child will never fully recover from what she did and what she saw. The article that I read yesterday stated that they had not been able to determine if children as young as nine were allowed to shoot on the range. Even if they were, shouldn't there have been a limit on what types of guns they were allowed to use, you know, because some parents don't have enough sense to make those decisions on their own.
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Post by SuPeaNatural on Aug 27, 2014 12:05:21 GMT
This was on the news here today too - so tragic. Same here Gar (only I'm an Aussie). I just can't understand why any 9yo needs to learn to use a gun like that, or even why she would be allowed to try it out. I feel so sorry for that dear little girl who has to live with it for the rest of her life. I hope that gun range (or where ever she was) will now rethink their age policy.
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Post by picotjo on Aug 27, 2014 12:06:04 GMT
My guess is her parents are Preppers. That is the only thing I can come up with. So sad.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 12:12:46 GMT
What a tragedy. I feel for that little girl,she'll never forget this. I'm English so I will never understand the gun culture in America. I really can't understand why anyone would be so negligent in thinking an inexperienced adult let alone a child would be able to handle that kind of a gun. Yes,part of that responsibility should be with the parents but a bigger responsibility is carried by the shooting range IMO. After all they are suppose to be the experts.
Are these places not licensed to operate in a safe manner?
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Post by scrappinghappy on Aug 27, 2014 12:18:59 GMT
How awful. And the family will have to live with what happened. I hope they get that poor child some help.
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Post by doxielady on Aug 27, 2014 12:18:55 GMT
What a tragedy. I feel for that little girl,she'll never forget this. I'm English so I will never understand the gun culture in America. I'm American and I don't understand it either.
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Post by grinningcat on Aug 27, 2014 12:26:45 GMT
It's positively reprehensible and unacceptable. That no one thought this was a bad idea blows my mind. And now this little girl will have to live with the stupidity of her parents for the rest of her life.
Guns DO NOT belong in the hands of civilians... especially small children. When the fuck will people wake up and realise this? I know, never, because guns are so fucking precious to some people. The fact that guns are held in such high esteem infuriates me and saddens me.
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Post by scrappert on Aug 27, 2014 12:29:03 GMT
This story is so sad, I heard it this morning. Can't imagine how she will handle this.
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Post by I-95 on Aug 27, 2014 13:15:24 GMT
Even the Israeli army quit using Uzis because they are so unpredictable. Most untrained adults would have trouble with the recoil from this weapon, it bucks like a rodeo horse. The fact the instructor kept his hand on her back and the other to steady the weapon, must have told him she was too little to handle the gun. WTF were they thinking?
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Post by lovetodigi on Aug 27, 2014 13:19:02 GMT
What a tragedy. I feel for that little girl,she'll never forget this. I'm English so I will never understand the gun culture in America. I'm American and I don't understand it either. Same here.
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Post by MommyofTriplets on Aug 27, 2014 13:19:45 GMT
What a tragedy. I feel for that little girl,she'll never forget this. I'm English so I will never understand the gun culture in America. I'm American and I don't understand it either. Agreed. Please know that not all Americans have guns or want guns. I feel so sorry for this girl as well as the instructor's family. So sad.
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Post by Jennifer C on Aug 27, 2014 13:21:47 GMT
My husband is a hunter and former Navy instructor. There is no way he would put an Uzi in the hands of a child. He does not like the gun because there isn't enough control.
Jennifer
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 13:25:41 GMT
I'm American and I don't understand it either. Agreed. Please know that not all Americans have guns or want guns. I feel so sorry for this girl as well as the instructor's family. So sad.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 13:30:55 GMT
Tragic and preventable accident. Poor judgment, something we can all be guilty of in any given situation. My daughters shoot guns, have since they were about that age. But we never would have put them behind a gun like that. Never. [b But someone died because of the "poor judgment ". And a 9 year girl is more than likely scared because of this "poor judgement" As far as I know when I have exercised poor judgment no one has died. In my world anyone who allows children access to guns is opening up the door to child endangerment. I don't care if an adult is present the entire time. We all know it's been proven time and time again how stupid some, note the word some, adults can be especially around guns.
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Post by Anna*Banana on Aug 27, 2014 13:32:55 GMT
I do not understand people putting any kind of gun in the hands of untrained individuals, adult or child. No Uzi should be given to anyone who isn't really really experienced with weapons. I'm pro-gun education for all, including those who don't have or want a gun. We have enough guns in this country it's important to understand how they behave and how to disarm a gun. I am a gun owner and take the second amendment very seriously. But these kinds of accidents happen in many places, including this father killed by his child by the loaded gun HE gives him. And he doesn't supervise him in the least. CRAZY! This is not grossly graphic but you see the toddler fire the gun.
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Post by anniebygaslight on Aug 27, 2014 13:34:34 GMT
How awful. Like Gar, my thoughts on guns are quite different to many in the US, but I also wonder why a child of 9 needs to be able to handle such a powerful weapon. Incomprehensible to me.
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Post by anonrefugee on Aug 27, 2014 13:39:20 GMT
This was on the news here today too - so tragic. Same here Gar (only I'm an Aussie). I just can't understand why any 9yo needs to learn to use a gun like that, or even why she would be allowed to try it out. I feel so sorry for that dear little girl who has to live with it for the rest of her life. I hope that gun range (or where ever she was) will now rethink their age policy. Trust me, many of us red blooded Americans are thinking the same thing. They played video on news of her shooting, she's just a little thing. Someone with expertise, or common sense, could have prevented this.
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Post by maryland on Aug 27, 2014 13:57:47 GMT
This was on the news here today too - so tragic. Same here Gar (only I'm an Aussie). I just can't understand why any 9yo needs to learn to use a gun like that, or even why she would be allowed to try it out. I feel so sorry for that dear little girl who has to live with it for the rest of her life. I hope that gun range (or where ever she was) will now rethink their age policy. I am American and I completely agree! So sad that the instructor was killed. His poor family! Tragic all around.
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Post by maryland on Aug 27, 2014 14:02:56 GMT
It's positively reprehensible and unacceptable. That no one thought this was a bad idea blows my mind. And now this little girl will have to live with the stupidity of her parents for the rest of her life. Guns DO NOT belong in the hands of civilians... especially small children. When the fuck will people wake up and realise this? I know, never, because guns are so fucking precious to some people. The fact that guns are held in such high esteem infuriates me and saddens me. I completely agree (and so does my entire family).
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