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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 27, 2014 20:03:56 GMT
un-fucking- believable!!! The parents failed miserably in judgment, a fucking UZI? ? The instructor had a lapse of letting his guard down while she was handling the weapon. Stupid adults.
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Post by Pahina722 on Aug 27, 2014 20:17:58 GMT
I come from a gun-owning family, where tweeners if they are interested are trained to shoot. But they start with a LOT of safety training before they ever pick up a gun and use only small calibre, non-automatic weapons until they are legal adults. I haven't had a chance to ask my father, an avid hunter, what he thinks of this situation, but I'm sure it will be along the lines of WTF was the family thinking? No civilian needs an automatic or semiautomatic weapon. They just don't.
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Post by Kelpea on Aug 27, 2014 20:17:51 GMT
Some things never change. Different scenario but still the same bullshit. I'll just "like" everything PinkPrincess77 said.
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Post by uksue on Aug 27, 2014 20:33:14 GMT
This has been on my mind since I read it this morning. I just cannot imagine the horror when it actually happened- and I believe this poor child will be reliving this for the rest of her life.
Some of the comments on the article on the DM website were unbelievable .
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Post by phdscrap on Aug 27, 2014 20:33:27 GMT
This is sad.
Why would a parent want a video of their child using an UZI?
I don't know if any of you have seen the video of the girl beheading the white doll that has been making the rounds. Why would parents want to encourage this type of culture. I am not really sure how a girl with an uzi is much different (yeah she isn't aiming it at a doll, but really, you don't use an uzi for hunting).
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Aug 27, 2014 20:39:37 GMT
I keep thinking about the little girl. The entire trajectory of her life was changed due to this event. He parents are morons. I hope that she gets counseling.
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Post by delilahtwo on Aug 27, 2014 21:25:51 GMT
Can't drink alcohol till you are 21 but get those guns on board early! I just don't get the mind set.
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Post by jmurray on Aug 27, 2014 21:41:10 GMT
"Bullets and Burgers Adventure". Really? I'm no fan of guns, but that name says to me "we don't take it too seriously". I know I'm putting a lot on a name but the flippancy of it somehow reduces something that should be taken very seriously to a casual outing with fries on the side.
I agree with everyone above - I feel sorry for that little girl, and IMO her parents should be charged with neglect. Yes the instructor was at fault, but he didn't stump up the dollars and put her in a position that was precarious at best.
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Post by LeaP on Aug 27, 2014 22:44:45 GMT
It is a tragedy beyond comprehension. My first thought before I knew the family was on vacation and visiting was, "why isn't this child in school?" Most if not all Arizona kids have been back to school for a few weeks now. I read that the family is from New Jersey, school might start after labor day. It did across the river in New York.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 23:17:53 GMT
"Bullets and Burgers Adventure". Really? I'm no fan of guns, but that name says to me "we don't take it too seriously". I know I'm putting a lot on a name but the flippancy of it somehow reduces something that should be taken very seriously to a casual outing with fries on the side.I agree with everyone above - I feel sorry for that little girl, and IMO her parents should be charged with neglect. Yes the instructor was at fault, but he didn't stump up the dollars and put her in a position that was precarious at best. Oh, I think you've totally nailed the flippant attitude. The name of the place, the fact that they'll just let you throw a few bucks down and shoot automatic weapons like Uzis, put them in the hands of kids, and then allow drinking on the premises just screams irresponsible assholes. It's even worse that people apparently flock to the place for "family outings." SMDH It's mind-boggling that they claim to have ex-military instructors-I would have hoped that a trained soldier would have more sense than to "instruct" a 9 year-old in firing Uzis. Such a senseless and preventable tragedy.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 23:30:03 GMT
They showed the video on our main news this evening. Not only was it irresponsible and negligent to let this little girl anywhere near this kind of weapon but she was shooting at a human silhouette cut out as a target. I can even go as far as to try and understand why people living in rural areas need to train their children to use certain appropriate guns for hunting but to use a human silhouette as target practice for entertainment.......that is beyond comprehension.
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Post by k8scraps on Aug 28, 2014 0:44:14 GMT
Nobody needs an Uzi..........nobody!
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Post by katybee on Aug 28, 2014 0:54:55 GMT
Oh my effin' GOD! I just watched an interview with the range operator. They are reviewing their policy. He will not say that they are going to stop nine-year-olds from using automatic weapons. But they are thinking about putting something in place like they have at Disneyland--where you have to be "so" tall to fire an automatic weapon.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Aug 28, 2014 1:42:32 GMT
It's beyond comprehension, on so many levels.
I hate that I live in a country where a business like this is considered "family entertainment."
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Post by raindancer on Aug 28, 2014 3:21:27 GMT
I'm sorry, I just feel like this is such a cop out response. And it plays a large role in why we have so many gun deaths in this country. This guy was ex (maybe current) military, trained in weapon use, trained as a trainer, and a father. If he isn't a "good" teacher then there is no such thing. And we need to start having some real dialogue about this problem. And until the "gun rights" side starts to take some ownership and offer up real conversation we aren't going to get anywhere. It doesn't take a mental giant to know you shouldn't put an Uzi in the hands of a little girl. If you look at the video the instructor has his hand on her back, and is steadying the weapon with the other hand. He knew that gun had serious recoil. The fact that he's telling her how to stand and hold the weapon suggests that this is her first time with an Uzi. I was talking to some active duty soldiers tonight, one of whom is a military weapons instructor with the IDF, and they were just aghast that anyone, especially a trained weapons instructor, would even think of doing such a thing. They did not believe he was a soldier, or qualified instructor, because, they claim, once you have had that kind of training and experience, nothing would allow you to give a child an Uzi. I still can't wrap my head around that either.....but y'know, it won't make a damn bit of difference to the gun debate, we'll just keep on buying guns, killing children, having child kill people, it's a sickness that anyone would even support the ownership of an Uzi. It's a weapon that was designed to kill people, why anyone needs one is beyond me. Ok, well when you can tell me then who is a "good and responsible gun owner" then, that would be great. Since every time AFTER the fact you guys all clamor to tell us how THAT person *obviously* isn't responsible, blah, blah, blah. Same story, different dead person. You can stop trying to sell me waterfront property in Arizona. I'm not buying it.
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Post by lindywholoveskids on Aug 28, 2014 3:45:35 GMT
Very sad and completely irresponsible on the adults part.
I hate guns
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Post by ScrapsontheRocks on Aug 28, 2014 8:26:45 GMT
"Bullets and Burgers Adventure". Really? I'm no fan of guns, but that name says to me "we don't take it too seriously". I know I'm putting a lot on a name but the flippancy of it somehow reduces something that should be taken very seriously to a casual outing with fries on the side.I agree with everyone above - I feel sorry for that little girl, and IMO her parents should be charged with neglect. Yes the instructor was at fault, but he didn't stump up the dollars and put her in a position that was precarious at best. Oh, I think you've totally nailed the flippant attitude. The name of the place, the fact that they'll just let you throw a few bucks down and shoot automatic weapons like Uzis, put them in the hands of kids, and then allow drinking on the premises just screams irresponsible assholes. It's even worse that people apparently flock to the place for "family outings." SMDH It's mind-boggling that they claim to have ex-military instructors-I would have hoped that a trained soldier would have more sense than to "instruct" a 9 year-old in firing Uzis. Such a senseless and preventable tragedy. I am not even going to begin to put into words my anti-gun stance- this is still the peas! I would like to ask whether anyone else thinks the prevalence of video games including those involving guns to shoot at virtual living beings have anything to do with this type of awful incident? I might be sounding simplistic, don't mean to be flippant, but the whole thing has a hint of the unreal. "Let's do the bullets and burgers adventure while we are on holiday... it will be a step up from but just like our favourite video game. Little dd, 9, is great at that, let her have a turn...." I don't think the management of the facility are professionals, never mind their website puffery.
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Post by imsirius on Aug 28, 2014 13:14:39 GMT
Oh my effin' GOD! I just watched an interview with the range operator. They are reviewing their policy. He will not say that they are going to stop nine-year-olds from using automatic weapons. But they are thinking about putting something in place like they have at Disneyland--where you have to be "so" tall to fire an automatic weapon. OMG is right! So being TALLER makes you STRONGER? Being taller makes you more apt to handle a powerful weapon that has immense kickback? Being TALLER makes you more mature and able to handle a weapon that you've never even held before? WTF??? Are these owners sharing one (stupid) brain cell?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2014 13:39:58 GMT
Tragic and preventable accident. Poor judgment, something we can all be guilty of in any given situation. My daughters shoot guns, have since they were about that age. But we never would have put them behind a gun like that. Never. [b But someone died because of the "poor judgment ". And a 9 year girl is more than likely scared because of this "poor judgement" As far as I know when I have exercised poor judgment no one has died. In my world anyone who allows children access to guns is opening up the door to child endangerment. I don't care if an adult is present the entire time. We all know it's been proven time and time again how stupid some, note the word some, adults can be especially around guns. So now I am not only a murderer - in - waiting, I am also a negligent parent in waiting? Hahahahaha! Yes, krazy, it was poor judgment. On the part of the parents, the instructor, and the business owners. I would support them losing their FFL over this. We shouldn't need a law to tell people that a 9 yr old should not touch those weapons. People should use their heads. But just as with any other thing in life, humans are humans, and they will not always make the best decisions. You are lucky, as we all are, that you have never made a poor decision that harmed another human. It could happen to any of us at any time. One moment of inattentiveness in the car, and you could take a life. You could let your teen take the car for a night of fun with friends, despite the nagging voice in your head telling you not to do it, because you trust them. Then they make a poor decision and end up wrapping the car around a tree, killing everyone in the car. (This happened one country over this summer). Poor judgement and bad decisions are part of the human condition. Making laws or stripping eveyone of heir rights because a few people make bad decisions is horrifying in and of itself. Tho those saying that only the police should have guns... Have you also been on the "THE POLICE ARE TOO MILITARIZED, ARE OUT OF CONTROL, ARE RACISTS, ARE KILLING OUR YOUTH!" Bandwagon since Michael Beowns death? I am willing to bet you have been. So which is it? The police are too militarized, but they should be the only ones with the guns. That makes perfect sense - in crazy town. Lastly, there is no such thing as a gun culture. That is a made up term, just like "rape culture" and "war on women". Guns are a part of the American fabric. They always have been, always will be. I respect anyone who chooses not to own a weapon, I'm not going to force you to go buy one, so you need to back off and respect that I have the inalienable right to own one. Treat each of these incidents just like you do any other accident. When a parent makes a poor decision around a pool and their kid drowns, you don't call for all pools to be outlawed. This is only different in that my right to bear arms is in the constitution. A right to a pool is not.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2014 13:44:17 GMT
Gun activities are entertainment in America, like go-carts and goofy golf. An uzi is in no way applicable to this little girl's life. She wasn't in the woods learning to shoot a shotgun under her father's supervision so that she could start joining him on hunting trips - her parents paid for her to shoot a non-hunting, automatic weapon at a human-like target for their own entertainment and video moment. Horrifying.
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Post by I-95 on Aug 28, 2014 19:08:55 GMT
Hey Raindancer, I was agreeing with you...now, about that waterfront property in Arizona, we can do that
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Post by PEArfect on Aug 28, 2014 19:25:24 GMT
This is one of those articles you read and think "Is this for real?" There is so much wrong with this story it can't be real.
-The girl was to young. -Her parents were ok with this and recording it. -This man was an instructor? Really? That is scary.
This poor girl is forever changed because of the poor decisions of the adults involved. I feel so bad for her.
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Post by birukitty on Aug 28, 2014 21:14:36 GMT
It's positively reprehensible and unacceptable. That no one thought this was a bad idea blows my mind. And now this little girl will have to live with the stupidity of her parents for the rest of her life. Guns DO NOT belong in the hands of civilians... especially small children. When the fuck will people wake up and realise this? I know, never, because guns are so fucking precious to some people. The fact that guns are held in such high esteem infuriates me and saddens me. I agree with this completely. Debbie in MD.
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Post by Olan on Aug 28, 2014 22:25:36 GMT
I also want to add my name to "American yet don't understand" list.
Umm okay.
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