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Post by Rainbow on Aug 27, 2014 12:35:05 GMT
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Roseville, CA - This morning a huge victory was handed down in federal court by Bill Clinton appointed Judge, Anthony W. Ishii. Judge Ishii ruled that “The 10-day waiting periods of Penal Code [sections 26815(a) and 27540(a)] violate the Second Amendment.” This is a tremendous gun rights win for California, a state that possibly suffers more infringements than any other state in the union.
The law suit was brought forth by California gun owners Jeffrey Silvester and Brandon Combs, as well as two gun rights groups, the Calguns Foundation and Second Amendment Foundation.
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Post by Rainbow on Aug 27, 2014 18:03:56 GMT
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Post by chirpingcricket on Aug 27, 2014 19:28:03 GMT
Hey, that link didn't work for me.
Funny thing is -- I consider myself a tree-hugging liberal. But I grew up in the South. My parents were straight-party-line Democrat voters. I mean, they never, ever voted for anyone who wasn't a Democrat. If there wasn't a Democrat on the ticket, they didn't vote for that office. But they never had anything against guns. My father, in particular, wanted me to go to camp so I could learn to shoot in a safe environment. Every letter he sent me -- I was 7 years old and wasn't allowed to shoot anything bigger than BB gun -- every single letter asked me if I could shoot like ol' Dan'l Boone yet. Daddy died before I was old enough to shoot the .22. I know it's a cultural thing, and I understand why a lot of people do not like guns. But I still have a hard time understanding why people who don't like guns also seem to dislike the *people* who *do* like guns.
--Cricket
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Post by Nink on Aug 27, 2014 19:44:22 GMT
I have nothing against owning a gun, but I also see absolutely nothing wrong with a waiting period if someone wants to buy one. I guess I'm unsure how a waiting period is violating the 2nd amendment. No one is saying you can't own the gun, just that you have to wait to do it, which again, I don't think is necessarily a bad thing.
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Post by MizIndependent on Aug 27, 2014 19:50:46 GMT
Rainbow, I'm conflicted here. You've posted on a serious topic but you've used Comic Sans (in purple, no less) as your font. Now I have this image stuck in my head:  |
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Post by Rainbow on Aug 27, 2014 20:05:03 GMT
I have nothing against owning a gun, but I also see absolutely nothing wrong with a waiting period if someone wants to buy one. I guess I'm unsure how a waiting period is violating the 2nd amendment. No one is saying you can't own the gun, just that you have to wait to do it, which again, I don't think is necessarily a bad thing. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 20:20:18 GMT
Hey, that link didn't work for me. Funny thing is -- I consider myself a tree-hugging liberal. But I grew up in the South. My parents were straight-party-line Democrat voters. I mean, they never, ever voted for anyone who wasn't a Democrat. If there wasn't a Democrat on the ticket, they didn't vote for that office. But they never had anything against guns. My father, in particular, wanted me to go to camp so I could learn to shoot in a safe environment. Every letter he sent me -- I was 7 years old and wasn't allowed to shoot anything bigger than BB gun -- every single letter asked me if I could shoot like ol' Dan'l Boone yet. Daddy died before I was old enough to shoot the .22. I know it's a cultural thing, and I understand why a lot of people do not like guns. But I still have a hard time understanding why people who don't like guns also seem to dislike the *people* who *do* like guns. --Cricket Why would you think people who don't like guns dislike people who own guns? I think everyone who enters these little debates know I don't see the need for guns and nor do I understand why anyone would want to own something that was invented for one purpose and that is to kill for the only reason of "just in case" and " I want to be ready". Just in case and I want to be ready for what I don't know.
But dislike gun owners no. I may think some of them are stupid but dislike not at all. I don't see any dislike in others posts from whose who also agree there are too many guns. I do believe you may be seeing something that is not there.
Sorry rainbow this was not a "tremendous guns right win in CA". This is another example of gun owners pushing their agenda in a reckless manner. Waiting 10 days to buy gun does not infringe in one's right to own a gun. There is nothing in the 2nd amendment that says one has "the right" to be able to pick up a gun instantaneously IF you believe the 2nd amendment gives an individual the right to own a gun. In this case the judges got it wrong. I guess they are taking their cue from the Roberts' activist Supreme Court in handing down decisions that are not what the Constitution intended or my favorite what the Founding Fathers meant when they wrote the Constitution. Like corporations have religious beliefs or corporations should be treated as individuals just to name a few.
Hopefully the State of CA will appeal this ruling and the next time the court will get it right.
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Post by Rainbow on Aug 27, 2014 20:29:45 GMT
Hey, that link didn't work for me. Funny thing is -- I consider myself a tree-hugging liberal. But I grew up in the South. My parents were straight-party-line Democrat voters. I mean, they never, ever voted for anyone who wasn't a Democrat. If there wasn't a Democrat on the ticket, they didn't vote for that office. But they never had anything against guns. My father, in particular, wanted me to go to camp so I could learn to shoot in a safe environment. Every letter he sent me -- I was 7 years old and wasn't allowed to shoot anything bigger than BB gun -- every single letter asked me if I could shoot like ol' Dan'l Boone yet. Daddy died before I was old enough to shoot the .22. I know it's a cultural thing, and I understand why a lot of people do not like guns. But I still have a hard time understanding why people who don't like guns also seem to dislike the *people* who *do* like guns. --Cricket Why would you think people who don't like guns dislike people who own guns? I think everyone who enters these little debates know I don't see the need for guns and nor do I understand why anyone would want to own something that was invented for one purpose and that is to kill for the only reason of "just in case" and " I want to be ready". Just in case and I want to be ready for what I don't know.
But dislike gun owners no. I may think some of them are stupid but dislike not at all. I don't see any dislike in others posts from whose who also agree there are too many guns. I do believe you may be seeing something that is not there.
Sorry rainbow this was not a "tremendous guns right win in CA". This is another example of gun owners pushing their agenda in a reckless manner. Waiting 10 days to buy gun does not infringe in one's right to own a gun. There is nothing in the 2nd amendment that says one has "the right" to be able to pick up a gun instantaneously IF you believe the 2nd amendment gives an individual the right to own a gun. In this case the judges got it wrong. I guess they are taking their cue from the Roberts' activist Supreme Court in handing down decisions that are not what the Constitution intended or my favorite what the Founding Fathers meant when they wrote the Constitution. Like corporations have religious beliefs or corporations should be treated as individuals just to name a few.
Hopefully the State of CA will appeal this ruling and the next time the court will get it right.
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Post by Nink on Aug 27, 2014 20:33:13 GMT
I have nothing against owning a gun, but I also see absolutely nothing wrong with a waiting period if someone wants to buy one. I guess I'm unsure how a waiting period is violating the 2nd amendment. No one is saying you can't own the gun, just that you have to wait to do it, which again, I don't think is necessarily a bad thing. None of that was in your OP and your link doesn't work, so no, it didn't seem that straightforward. |
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Post by LeaP on Aug 27, 2014 20:35:35 GMT
Hey, that link didn't work for me. Funny thing is -- I consider myself a tree-hugging liberal. But I grew up in the South. My parents were straight-party-line Democrat voters. I mean, they never, ever voted for anyone who wasn't a Democrat. If there wasn't a Democrat on the ticket, they didn't vote for that office. But they never had anything against guns. My father, in particular, wanted me to go to camp so I could learn to shoot in a safe environment. Every letter he sent me -- I was 7 years old and wasn't allowed to shoot anything bigger than BB gun -- every single letter asked me if I could shoot like ol' Dan'l Boone yet. Daddy died before I was old enough to shoot the .22. I know it's a cultural thing, and I understand why a lot of people do not like guns. But I still have a hard time understanding why people who don't like guns also seem to dislike the *people* who *do* like guns. --Cricket My issue isn't people who like guns. You need a license and insurance to drive a car, why not put guns in that category? |
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Post by MizIndependent on Aug 27, 2014 20:36:19 GMT
Link fixed. Reckless how exactly? And what is your reasoning for thinking that already qualified individuals should wait 10 days? Wait for what for 10 days? The constitution says nothing about making anyone wait for 10 days. The Constitution likewise says nothing about half the nation being hooked on anti-depressants and other personality altering prescriptions and drugs so, not sure I'm getting what your point is. I don't think waiting a few days is all that unreasonable, even for those who are qualified. |
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Post by Rainbow on Aug 27, 2014 20:37:56 GMT
From another article: "Under the court order, the California Department of Justice (DOJ) must change its systems to accommodate the unobstructed release of guns to gun buyers who pass a background check and possess a California license to carry a handgun, or who hold a “Certificate of Eligibility” issued by the DOJ and already possess at least one firearm known to the state." Seems pretty straightforward to me. Why should law-abiding qualified citizens have to wait? None of that was in your OP and your link doesn't work, so no, it didn't seem that straightforward. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 20:48:26 GMT
Why would you think people who don't like guns dislike people who own guns? I think everyone who enters these little debates know I don't see the need for guns and nor do I understand why anyone would want to own something that was invented for one purpose and that is to kill for the only reason of "just in case" and " I want to be ready". Just in case and I want to be ready for what I don't know.
But dislike gun owners no. I may think some of them are stupid but dislike not at all. I don't see any dislike in others posts from whose who also agree there are too many guns. I do believe you may be seeing something that is not there.
Sorry rainbow this was not a "tremendous guns right win in CA". This is another example of gun owners pushing their agenda in a reckless manner. Waiting 10 days to buy gun does not infringe in one's right to own a gun. There is nothing in the 2nd amendment that says one has "the right" to be able to pick up a gun instantaneously IF you believe the 2nd amendment gives an individual the right to own a gun. In this case the judges got it wrong. I guess they are taking their cue from the Roberts' activist Supreme Court in handing down decisions that are not what the Constitution intended or my favorite what the Founding Fathers meant when they wrote the Constitution. Like corporations have religious beliefs or corporations should be treated as individuals just to name a few.
Hopefully the State of CA will appeal this ruling and the next time the court will get it right.
Ok rainbow where exactly does it say one should be able to get the gun "instantaneously"? And just how does making one wait 10 days infringes on one's right to own a gun? If you believe that is what the 2nd amendment means.
Reckless because at this point the NRA and others are going to do everything they can to block any sensible law for no other reason then they don't believe there should be any limitations on owning a gun. Nothing is absolute and that includes owning gun .
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Post by Rainbow on Aug 27, 2014 20:55:47 GMT
Link fixed. Reckless how exactly? And what is your reasoning for thinking that already qualified individuals should wait 10 days? Wait for what for 10 days? The constitution says nothing about making anyone wait for 10 days. Ok rainbow where exactly does it say one should be able to get the gun "instantaneously"? And just how does making one wait 10 days infringes on one's right to own a gun? If you believe that is what the 2nd amendment means.
Reckless because at this point the NRA and others are going to do everything they can to block any sensible law for no other reason then they don't believe there should be any limitations on owning a gun. Nothing is absolute and that includes owning gun .
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Post by Regina Phalange on Aug 27, 2014 21:22:06 GMT
Link fixed. Reckless how exactly? And what is your reasoning for thinking that already qualified individuals should wait 10 days? Wait for what for 10 days? The constitution says nothing about making anyone wait for 10 days. The Constitution likewise says nothing about half the nation being hooked on anti-depressants and other personality altering prescriptions and drugs so, not sure I'm getting what your point is. I don't think waiting a few days is all that unreasonable, even for those who are qualified. Right. And just because you are qualified, doesn't mean you are STILL qualified. What if you've done something since your original qualification that warrants another check? Do they not account for that? (Asking as I have no idea what being qualified consists of) |
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Post by Rainbow on Aug 27, 2014 21:34:03 GMT
The Constitution likewise says nothing about half the nation being hooked on anti-depressants and other personality altering prescriptions and drugs so, not sure I'm getting what your point is. I don't think waiting a few days is all that unreasonable, even for those who are qualified. Right. And just because you are qualified, doesn't mean you are STILL qualified. What if you've done something since your original qualification that warrants another check? Do they not account for that? (Asking as I have no idea what being qualified consists of) |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 21:40:22 GMT
Ok rainbow where exactly does it say one should be able to get the gun "instantaneously"? And just how does making one wait 10 days infringes on one's right to own a gun? If you believe that is what the 2nd amendment means.
Reckless because at this point the NRA and others are going to do everything they can to block any sensible law for no other reason then they don't believe there should be any limitations on owning a gun. Nothing is absolute and that includes owning gun .
You are under the misguided impression that the only people who buy guns are "Responsible". Well history has proven that little assumption wrong time and time again hadn't it. Sorry there is no guaranteed right that one should be able to obtain a gun instantaneously nor is there anything in the Constitution to guarantee ones rights be instantanrous regardless of what they are. |
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Post by Rainbow on Aug 27, 2014 22:05:18 GMT
It doesn't need to say you get one immediately, because this is a right and you don't have to wait for a right. Would you like for your other rights to have a 10 day waiting period? There is no recklessness here because this is not a sensible gun law. It's ridiculous to make qualified individuals wait 10 days to exercise the right they already have. You are under the misguided impression that the only people who buy guns are "Responsible". Well history has proven that little assumption wrong time and time again hadn't it. Sorry there is no guaranteed right that one should be able to obtain a gun instantaneously nor is there anything in the Constitution to guarantee ones rights be instantanrous regardless of what they are. |
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Post by Tamhugh on Aug 27, 2014 22:20:47 GMT
N'est-ce pas? I support gun rights. I don't believe that background checks and waiting periods infringe on those rights. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 22:24:45 GMT
You are under the misguided impression that the only people who buy guns are "Responsible". Well history has proven that little assumption wrong time and time again hadn't it. Sorry there is no guaranteed right that one should be able to obtain a gun instantaneously nor is there anything in the Constitution to guarantee ones rights be instantanrous regardless of what they are. OK remove the word "Responsible " and replace it with "Law-abiding". Six of one half a dozen of another. Again I ask you where in the Constitution does it say one can exercise their rights instantaneously? Yes they can exercise their rights but nothing guarantees it be done in any time frame. |
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Post by lucyg on Aug 28, 2014 0:01:46 GMT
Ne c'est pas? Sorry, I had to do it.  |
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Post by SabrinaM on Aug 28, 2014 0:07:52 GMT
I support the right to bear arms and also support a waiting period.
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Post by gossamer on Aug 28, 2014 0:47:09 GMT
I don't have anything against guns because guns don't shoot people by themselves. I grew up with guns in our home, and respect for my parents not to touch them unless they were with me. But I also don't have anything against a waiting period.
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Post by Tamhugh on Aug 28, 2014 1:18:29 GMT
Ne c'est pas? Sorry, I had to do it.  I haven't seen it that way. I remembered it my way (but that was from 9th grade French -- many, many years ago). |
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Post by lucyg on Aug 28, 2014 4:30:30 GMT
Ne c'est pas? Sorry, I had to do it. I haven't seen it that way. I remembered it my way (but that was from 9th grade French -- many, many years ago). You are right! I just had to go look it up, which is what I should have done in the first place. Sorry!  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2014 4:48:49 GMT
^^^ may I inquire what that means? Je ne parle pas francais. (<-- One of the only French phrases I know, lol.)
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Post by Regina Phalange on Aug 28, 2014 5:02:53 GMT
Right. And just because you are qualified, doesn't mean you are STILL qualified. What if you've done something since your original qualification that warrants another check? Do they not account for that? (Asking as I have no idea what being qualified consists of) Qualify someone every five minutes? You're being ridiculous. If you are only as good as your last qualification, then it makes sense to do one every time you buy a gun. So, Mr. Jones buys gun #1....waits, all is good. Two years later he buys gun #2. Qualification is 2 years old. (You said yourself it could change in five minutes) So, he waits again. All is good. Eighteen months later he wants to buy gun #3 and again, its been longer than 5 minutes, so he has to wait again...uh oh, turns out he has a prior for smacking his girlfriend around. No gun for you Mr. Jones.
See how that works?
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 28, 2014 5:35:33 GMT
Right. And just because you are qualified, doesn't mean you are STILL qualified. What if you've done something since your original qualification that warrants another check? Do they not account for that? (Asking as I have no idea what being qualified consists of) This is the stupidest thing ever said about gun ownership (Rainbows last response), but then again I remember from 2peas the stupid stuff she posted before). I was hoping that the likes of Rainbow and her warped so called logic would have died along with 2peas. |
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Post by ComplicatedLady on Aug 28, 2014 5:49:32 GMT
It doesn't need to say you get one immediately, because this is a right and you don't have to wait for a right. Would you like for your other rights to have a 10 day waiting period? There is no recklessness here because this is not a sensible gun law. It's ridiculous to make qualified individuals wait 10 days to exercise the right they already have. I have a constitutional right to vote, but I have to wait until that one Election Day. Sometimes that's more than 10 days from the time I make my decision about which candidate I'm voting for. Somehow, I manage to wait. Also, I can't vote if I'm a convicted felon--a reasonable restriction on a constitutional right. I guess I don't understand why the right to bear arms has to occur immediately when I decide I want a gun. Waiting a week and a half doesn't seem like a long time if I really want to bear arms. |
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Post by gar on Aug 28, 2014 6:24:44 GMT
^^^ may I inquire what that means? Je ne parle pas francais. (<-- One of the only French phrases I know, lol.) It means "Is it not?" |
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