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Post by leftturnonly on Aug 28, 2017 3:46:32 GMT
Watching latest updates on CNN now. It's almost too much to comprehend. There was a photo of seniors in a residential home sitting on chairs with water up to their chest. Just sitting there like nothing was wrong while they were almost totally emerged in water. Horrifying. They were all rescued but I think about all the others that are waist deep in water waiting for someone to come save them. Big cyber hugs to all in Houston area. Stay safe, you're all in my thoughts and prayers. To be fair.... rescuing the sick and the elderly, anyone who needs special help, has been an urgent priority. I can't even about the nursing home.
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Post by utmr on Aug 28, 2017 3:50:20 GMT
And now the stages at the Wortham are flooding, according to KHOU/WFAA.
The guy at WFAA is doing a great job for pinch hitting. Even pronouncing bayou correctly.
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Post by leftturnonly on Aug 28, 2017 3:51:17 GMT
I know they were predicting this storm to be terrible, but is it worse than predicted? Yes. Depends where you got your information. It's running pretty true to what I heard, although because the rainfall was expected to be so extraordinary, they were trying to be conservative because it was too unbelievable. They had to add colors to their maps for the additional inches of rain. ETA -- I tend to read between the lines on these kinds of things. I don't wait for someone else to add 2 and 2 and tell me the answer is 4. I'm not exactly sure where the line is between what I heard and what I anticipated.
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Post by leftturnonly on Aug 28, 2017 3:52:21 GMT
Even pronouncing bayou correctly. He gets bonus points for that.
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Post by Merge on Aug 28, 2017 3:53:34 GMT
And now the stages at the Wortham are flooding, according to KHOU/WFAA.
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Post by Merge on Aug 28, 2017 3:58:07 GMT
Depends where you got your information. It's running pretty true to what I heard, although because the rainfall was expected to be so extraordinary, they were trying to be conservative because it was too unbelievable. They had to add colors to their maps for the additional inches of rain. ETA -- I tend to read between the lines on these kinds of things. I don't wait for someone else to add 2 and 2 and tell me the answer is 4. I'm not exactly sure where the line is between what I heard and what I anticipated. I agree. I would amend my short answer above and say that it's about as bad as they said it could be in the worst case scenario. And it was (is) a difficult storm to predict, so there were a lot of different numbers out there. The next question, of course, is whether this thing follows the predicted path and goes back out to sea to gain strength before dealing Houston a second, direct hit. That's the worst case scenario currently being thrown around.
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Post by Merge on Aug 28, 2017 4:00:09 GMT
Good lord. From the Space City Weather blog, re: the controlled release from Addicks and Barker reservoirs:
"It seems probable that some homes near Clay Road and Eldridge, and in the vicinity of the Westpark Toll Road and Highway 99 will see water remain in homes for up to two months. That is not a misprint."
These guys are not given to hyperbole.
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Post by mom on Aug 28, 2017 4:02:32 GMT
Good lord. From the Space City Weather blog, re: the controlled release from Addicks and Barker reservoirs: "It seems probable that some homes near Clay Road and Eldridge, and in the vicinity of the Westpark Toll Road and Highway 99 will see water remain in homes for up to two months. That is not a misprint." These guys are not given to hyperbole. Oh my gosh! That is horrible!
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Post by utmr on Aug 28, 2017 4:05:30 GMT
Good lord. From the Space City Weather blog, re: the controlled release from Addicks and Barker reservoirs: "It seems probable that some homes near Clay Road and Eldridge, and in the vicinity of the Westpark Toll Road and Highway 99 will see water remain in homes for up to two months. That is not a misprint." These guys are not given to hyperbole. Agree, he is not a exaggerator. But as bad as the controlled releases will be, is there any risk of the dams, themselves, failing? Or is my overtired self just overthinking? I'm going to bed. Y'all wake me if it gets worse...
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Post by leftturnonly on Aug 28, 2017 4:06:41 GMT
The next question, of course, is whether this thing follows the predicted path and goes back out to sea to gain strength before dealing Houston a second, direct hit. That's the worst case scenario currently being thrown around. My gut says it'll go in at Houston or a bit further to the East. God help us all.
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Post by karen on Aug 28, 2017 4:15:35 GMT
my neighborhood has never flooded, at least in the last 30 years. Nobody around here is expecting the houses to flood, but I could see how they could be totally wrong. I am not going to watch the news so much. I think it is just making me more nervous! What's worse is that DH is stuck at work. I prepared to hunker down for the storm, but I really am so tired of the rain already!
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Post by playingcinderella on Aug 28, 2017 5:09:31 GMT
We are in the Northwest Houston area - kind of the line between Cy Fair and Klein school districts. Lots of flooding in our area. Rain has been pretty constant today. All the entrances to our neighborhood are accessible only by boat or jacked up trucks at this point but thankfully our street is flowing well and we are still dry inside. Several rescues have occurred in our neighborhood tonight. Hoping we get a break soon.
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Post by flanz on Aug 28, 2017 5:13:36 GMT
Good lord. From the Space City Weather blog, re: the controlled release from Addicks and Barker reservoirs: "It seems probable that some homes near Clay Road and Eldridge, and in the vicinity of the Westpark Toll Road and Highway 99 will see water remain in homes for up to two months. That is not a misprint." These guys are not given to hyperbole. Wow! I'm so sorry for all of you in danger and I'm sending my best, strongest positive thoughts for your continued safety!
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Post by tracyarts on Aug 28, 2017 5:21:42 GMT
I hate to complain when levees are in danger of being breached, dams are in danger of failing, and there are areas flooded several feet deep through entire neighborhoods of homes.
But we're not even in a 500 year flood plain. No home has flooded on our street since the homes were built in the early 80s. But yesterday all the homes got flood water in them, and all but a handful of us had shallow standing water throughout the entire house.
We got a few little puddles seeping past my sandbags last night and again tonight. Thankfully on tile, and small enough that towels and and old cotton throw blanket soaked them right up. But still, this just doesn't happen here, until now.
I'm really worried about what this week will bring. What are we calling this? An 800 year Flood? 1000 year?.
26 inches of rain over the past 48 hours near my neighborhood. Terrifying!
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Post by cawoman on Aug 28, 2017 6:16:33 GMT
I'm so sorry for everyone in the flooded areas! This is just horrible and unimaginable. If I so much as complain about the heat wave we are having in No CA, I'm going to be slapping myself. Take care everyone who's affected.
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Post by anniefb on Aug 28, 2017 6:29:48 GMT
So sorry to hear about all the flooded areas and the time it's going to take for some properties to clear. Just terrible.
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Post by leftturnonly on Aug 28, 2017 8:39:12 GMT
If you've got to call it something, go with the highest. Houston still hasn't seen the worst it's going to get. Neither has the area along the coast to the east of Houston. There are millions of people who are not being represented in this national news. Think of it this way.... ALL of the people that were in Hurricane Rita and how much news that made are being so swallowed by the size and scope of this catastrophe that Port Arthur is almost never even noted on any map shown. They refer to Beaumont because it's a bigger city, but Port Arthur and surrounding towns are where the oil refineries are. Nothing is being said about them. I'll tell you, though, that they are receiving feet of rain. They have not received the wind that damaged them so badly in Rita, but this rain has already supersaturated the ground of the area and there's maybe 2 more feet of rain to come. At some point, the news is going to have to begin reporting on that, and the size of this catastrophe - and I am not using that word lightly - will only begin to be revealed.
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Post by keithurbanlovinpea on Aug 28, 2017 11:21:44 GMT
They are calling the flooding in my area (Brazos River) an 800 year flood event. The river is supposed to crest at more than 15 feet over flood stage, a level that has never been recorded before.
We are in a voluntary evacuation area but our house is not expected to flooding. We do expect to be surrounded by water an not be able to travel for some time
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Post by Merge on Aug 28, 2017 12:17:03 GMT
Good lord. From the Space City Weather blog, re: the controlled release from Addicks and Barker reservoirs: "It seems probable that some homes near Clay Road and Eldridge, and in the vicinity of the Westpark Toll Road and Highway 99 will see water remain in homes for up to two months. That is not a misprint." These guys are not given to hyperbole. Agree, he is not a exaggerator. But as bad as the controlled releases will be, is there any risk of the dams, themselves, failing? Or is my overtired self just overthinking? I'm going to bed. Y'all wake me if it gets worse... Yes; they're doing controlled release to try to prevent that because it is a risk.
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Post by Merge on Aug 28, 2017 12:17:27 GMT
They are calling the flooding in my area (Brazos River) an 800 year flood event. The river is supposed to crest at more than 15 feet over flood stage, a level that has never been recorded before. We are in a voluntary evacuation area but our house is not expected to flooding. We do expect to be surrounded by water an not be able to travel for some time Be safe.
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Post by Really Red on Aug 28, 2017 12:49:31 GMT
So scary! But I have been watching ABC news at night and they did predict terrible flooding. Ginger Zee said over and over how much rain (30" at least) there'd be and how very bad it would be. That was a good week ago, maybe 6 days. I was surprised at how definite she was and how she seemed more worried about the rain than the hurricane. Maybe it wasn't predicted so far inland?
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Post by Peamac on Aug 28, 2017 13:05:35 GMT
How is Louisianna doing? Have they been affected by the wind and rains also? DH and I were watching the weather channel last night, but they just mentioned the Houston area for the most part.
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Post by Peal on Aug 28, 2017 13:11:47 GMT
Good lord. From the Space City Weather blog, re: the controlled release from Addicks and Barker reservoirs: "It seems probable that some homes near Clay Road and Eldridge, and in the vicinity of the Westpark Toll Road and Highway 99 will see water remain in homes for up to two months. That is not a misprint." These guys are not given to hyperbole. Oh, how miserable. We had standing water in our house for two weeks in February and it was so frustrating because it was coming in as fast as we could pump it out. I can't imagine having two months were you can't even begin the recovery process because it's still in disaster mode. I feel so bad for everyone. I have a nephew in Houston who just finished up his summer internship with Exxon. They are supposed to fly home this week. I haven't heard how they are doing, I'm not sure what area they are living in. Save
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Post by leftturnonly on Aug 28, 2017 13:25:24 GMT
How is Louisianna doing? Have they been affected by the wind and rains also? DH and I were watching the weather channel last night, but they just mentioned the Houston area for the most part. Most of the coast of Louisiana has been in and out of tornado watches. Maybe along the far southwestern edge near Lake Charles have they been getting some of these outer bands of rain from Harvey, but I think that those bands have been centered further to the East into SE Texas. Now that the storm has moved a bit, I anticipate that Harvey will go offshore enough to strengthen a bit and move further up the Texas coast before it relands at Houston or slightly east of Houston. This will absolutely put much more of the Louisiana coast in the path of enormous rain, and maybe tropical storm or tropical depression winds. The closer to the coast and the further west of Louisiana will probably be counting rainfall in feet like Texas is. Once Harvey relands, though, it is projected to actually head inland like other hurricanes and finally leave the Gulf alone.
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Post by leftturnonly on Aug 28, 2017 13:49:23 GMT
Maybe it wasn't predicted so far inland? The problem is that it didn't go inland. All the rain as far NW as Austin and San Antonio has been while Harvey sat virtually stalled inside the coastline. It will go inland at same point, still.
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Post by jlynnbarth on Aug 28, 2017 13:50:03 GMT
Still saying prayers and sending good thoughts to all of you affected! I can only imagine how much stress/anxiety you must be under. I feel anxious for you and I'm just watching it all on t.v.
They are talking about the oil refinery shut downs on the news this morning more than they did the last couple of days. I took my dh to the vanpool station this morning and our local Exxon station prices here in East WA. went up .08 overnight. Who knows if it's due to regular Labor Day weekend hikes or if this is just the first hike from the repercussions of the storm.
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Post by Merge on Aug 28, 2017 14:00:24 GMT
So scary! But I have been watching ABC news at night and they did predict terrible flooding. Ginger Zee said over and over how much rain (30" at least) there'd be and how very bad it would be. That was a good week ago, maybe 6 days. I was surprised at how definite she was and how she seemed more worried about the rain than the hurricane. Maybe it wasn't predicted so far inland? I hear you going down the road, as many are in the media and on social media, of victim blaming here. Some things to understand: 1. Harvey grew quickly from a tropical depression to a category 4 hurricane in something like 36 hours. 2. The models for Harvey's track after making landfall were in great disagreement up until 2 days ago. There was the strong possibility that the storm would go off and die in the Rio Grande valley. 3. While very heavy rains were predicted, there was no way to predict exactly where they would fall, or which neighborhoods would flood. 4. There are 6.5 million people in greater Houston and millions more in the entire region affected. Doing a mass evacuation for all the people who might potentially be affected would have been completely untenable. The last time this was attempted, dozens died in traffic jams on the freeways leaving Houston. Can you imagine what the outcome would have been if millions were stuck on the freeways when the rain started falling and the roadways started filling up with rain. 5. It's true that we've been dealt the worst possible outcome here. Out of all the predicted paths and results predicted by meteorologists, this was the worst case scenario. We don't tend to assume the worst case possible will happen. But this time, it did. And no one is to blame for that.
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Post by leftturnonly on Aug 28, 2017 14:06:10 GMT
They are talking about the oil refinery shut downs on the news this morning more than they did the last couple of days. I took my dh to the vanpool station this morning and our local Exxon station prices here in East WA. went up .08 overnight. Who knows if it's due to regular Labor Day weekend hikes or if this is just the first hike from the repercussions of the storm. As the storm shifts east, news crews will go back to their old hurricane stomping grounds and begin to cover this more. Part of the hike may be from the holiday, but the refineries are shut down. One of these major refineries is near the spot in the levee around Port Arthur that needed to be repaired. It was sandbagged and has held well because Pt. Arthur didn't get a storm surge. They haven't received the winds that they got during Rita and Ike, either, so that's good. BUT - they've received over 2 feet of rain with maybe another 1 1/2 feet or more to come and this time, it could have tropical depression level winds. All the refineries in the area are going to be offline a while longer. Prices will reflect that.
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Post by leftturnonly on Aug 28, 2017 14:10:52 GMT
There are 6.5 [million] people in greater Houston and millions more in the entire region affected. Doing a mass evacuation for all the people who might potentially be affected would have been completely untenable. The last time this was attempted, dozens died in traffic jams on the freeways leaving Houston. Can you imagine what the outcome would have been if millions were stuck on the freeways when the rain started falling and the roadways started filling up with rain. This, this, this.... all day long and twice on Sunday. That level evacuation demands coordination with other communities for a very long way or else it's putting millions of people in even greater immediate peril. I lived it. You just don't know. You can't know. And believe me, you don't want to know firsthand.
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Post by jlynnbarth on Aug 28, 2017 14:20:10 GMT
They are talking about the oil refinery shut downs on the news this morning more than they did the last couple of days. I took my dh to the vanpool station this morning and our local Exxon station prices here in East WA. went up .08 overnight. Who knows if it's due to regular Labor Day weekend hikes or if this is just the first hike from the repercussions of the storm. As the storm shifts east, news crews will go back to their old hurricane stomping grounds and begin to cover this more. Part of the hike may be from the holiday, but the refineries are shut down. One of these major refineries is near the spot in the levee around Port Arthur that needed to be repaired. It was sandbagged and has held well because Pt. Arthur didn't get a storm surge. They haven't received the winds that they got during Rita and Ike, either, so that's good. BUT - they've received over 2 feet of rain with maybe another 1 1/2 feet or more to come and this time, it could have tropical depression level winds. All the refineries in the area are going to be offline a while longer. Prices will reflect that. My dh and I knew it was inevitable that they would be shut down. The refineries were in the projected path on Wed. We filled up our tanks on Friday in preparation. We don't drive far, so a full tank will last us a couple weeks. I hope the storm moves out quicker than predicted. I feel horrible for all of you. We had wind storm here a couple years ago, with no water involved at all, but were out of power for 8-9 days and it was horrible enough. I can't wrap my head around that much water at one time.
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