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Post by ScrapsontheRocks on Aug 29, 2017 13:44:28 GMT
Well. So. Disclaimer: this post is the perspective of Liberal Me responding to what a couple-few conservatives are saying here. You ain't gonna' convince me that you are being unfairly lumped into a stereotype of an Evil Undiscerning Hive of Conservative Intolerance by - who? - an Evil Undiscerning Hive of Liberal Nastiness. That there is a logical fallacy. I don't know the fancy Latin name, but c'mon. In this thread, one poster basically claimed that she can count NiceLiberalPeas on her thumbs. Another reports she has seen no flattering interactions from liberals on this board. (None?) A third used a lone post by a self-described provocateur to justify her claim that civil discourse is impossible, ignoring scores of reasonable posts. My continued political thread malaise has many reasons, including deep unhappiness with some members from both "sides" and just a general world weariness. But if I'm expected to jump through hive responsibility-assuming hoops and hive policing hoops in order to establish my civil discourse street cred, I will fail. Guaranteed. (I prefer to be judged on my own merits...such as they are. And FWIW, posting style is driven by personality, not ideology. You can't convince me otherwise.) Thankfully, when I am in the mood - albeit, decreasingly - I can usually find civil, reasonable people with whom to interact here, although fewer conservatives in the general pool, which clearly is a detriment to our community. But among those I find reasonable, I do not count people - on either side - who perpetuate this all!always!everybody!typical! monolith hive groupthink collective worldview (well, Refupeaview). As so often, I could save myself a lot of typing by just saying  . Of course, that's not my way so... Frankly any claim that there is and has been no civil, respectful political discussion on this board for months/years (insert your time period of choice here) is just horseshit. Less frequent lately, sure, harder to find in amongst the sniping, absolutely, but it nevertheless still exists. I've seen plenty of it. If you haven't, I'd posit that either you're not looking in the right places, or you don't want to see it. Someone earlier said that you get what you give - I agree. I also think that by and large you find what you're looking for. Admittedly I've mostly stayed out of political threads here recently - although I do still read the majority - primarily because they have become a lot less about policy and a lot more about individuals (well, one of them, usually...) and that's not really what I'm here for. But I'm not upset by the change in direction: it reflects the reality of the political situation in the US right now, where policy needs to take something of a backseat to the current threat to fundamental human rights and decency. It will swing around again in time, and then I'll join in more again. I think @fred 's post ( link) has a lot of value. Particularly this bit: when one talks about issues it slips into ideology and ideology often equals beliefs and I have learned folks don't necessary like others "scratching" or "digging" at their beliefs. IMHO it would certainly help the discussion if we were all able to be a little bit thicker skinned, and take things a little less personally. Easier said than done I know, but I do feel like it is something of a vicious circle - one person feels attacked, they lash out in response, and on and on. We need to break that cycle somehow. I also thought there was a lot worth absorbing in this post by jeremysgirl . there are several peas who's posts I can't read even when I agree with them, but scrolling past is getting. Harder and harder because once a certain few peas on each side get going the thread will be basically unreadable after that. I have said before, and will say again and again to anyone who feels at all like this ^^ that the block feature is a wonderful thing. Anyone who reads political threads with any frequency knows exactly who the worst culprits are: the "but no, but" Peas, the slanging match last word Peas, the "all!always!everybody!" TM - Amelia Peas, the name callers. Whatever your personal 'I can't deal with this any more' trigger is, there will be a small number of individuals responsible for the majority. Block away. It instantly makes the political threads far easier to read, far more civil. Newbies, beware! You are all suspect! I just can't agree with this, I don't think it's a healthy attitude either individually or for our community. We need new people to keep us thriving, and it costs us nothing to be kind. The controversial peas who "leave" and join again under a new name are easy enough to spot, they just can't help themselves repeating old patterns - case in point, this thread. There's no need to be suspicious or accusatory towards all new peas: we only need to give them time, and the old ones will out themselves soon enough, then do as you will. QED. This is civil discourse perfected. With a dose of realistic pea history built in. That being said, I will say that I thought Lauren was back under the lovestocolour alter. I have changed my mind. The quote feature is wonky (for me and some others, I think) but at the top of the current page**there is a post by our "new" poster which provides an actual argument. **it was on pg 9, near the top |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2017 13:51:40 GMT
Man, this place is tiresome sometimes. I assume you did not like my answers? So very sorry |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 29, 2017 13:54:37 GMT
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Post by SockMonkey on Aug 29, 2017 13:58:01 GMT
You have time to respond to this, but can you please answer the questions I politely directed toward you in a previous post? I would appreciate it, since you asked the original question. the only question I saw in review was what it costs and why not denounce? (If I missed another question please lmk as I'm working on my phone with no internet connection and now at work). What it cost me to call out Trump here on this board? Nothing but time and effort. But what does it mean Or accomplish...to me that's the bigger aspect because whether I do or don't isn't going to change Trump or this administration. It doesn't mean anything. You know what? Just keep it. Keep it. |
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Post by pierogi on Aug 29, 2017 13:59:30 GMT
So yes, I want people, everyone to denounce Nazis and white supremacists just to make me feel better. Absolutely I denounce all white supremacists and Nazis - felt the same way about Senator Robert Byrd. Notably, he served for 51 years. I do not like the president excusing their behavior nor do I like the Klan serving as government officials. linkYou do know that Senator Byrd left the KKK, denouncing them and accepting the shame of that association for the rest of his life, don't you? And worked for the rest of his life to pass civil rights legislation. Even though you brought him up as a political dig, he's actually a good example of someone who turned away from evil. |
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Post by jennyap on Aug 29, 2017 13:59:45 GMT
But what does it mean Or accomplish...to me that's the bigger aspect because whether I do or don't isn't going to change Trump or this administration. It doesn't mean anything. Many people have posted with very clear answers saying what it would mean to them, how it would make them feel, that it could empower them to take action. That in itself is change. Not all change has to come from within the administration to have value. Honestly, I'm struggling to see why the way your fellow citizens feel means nothing. |
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Post by elaine on Aug 29, 2017 14:10:46 GMT
And there may be the root of some of why some continue to support Trump: they have no clue as to what Nazis and the KKK actually are, and no sense of the actual history of those groups' ideologies and actions. Ignorance at its most dangerous and how history is allowed to repeat itself. I'm guessing that the 10 million people systematically murdered by the Nazis would have much preferred it if they were subjected to harsh words on the internet rather than bullets, poison gas, and starvation in concentration camps. You see I don't buy that excuse Elaine ( I don't mean from you but generally). Surely most, if not everyone, over the age of a young teens has been taught details of a World War that was fought by your country alongside your allies.I assumed they taught it in history at school. I can understand that maybe some from a third world country in the middle of Africa as an example might not have received the education to the standard of a first world country, but for citizens of a country like America to use the excuse that they have no knowledge of WW2 and what went on during that time is shocking. I believe that the truth of the matter is more that they choose to ignore it. If they can condemn the Antifa which stands for Anti Fascism,( leaving aside the anarchist that have jumped on that band wagon) they must surely have some knowledge of the opposite ideology which is Fascism/Nazism. How can someone condemn something they know nothing about? If something has an anti there is also a pro, you can't condemn one and ignore the opposite. It is a conundrum - I admit. Part of me agrees with you that it is willful ignoring/ignorance, but part of me wonders if it really is lack of intellectual curiousity for some. Just because the history of WW2 was taught, along with explanations of Nazi and Facist ideologies, doesn't mean that it was ever actually learned. Especially in some homes where attitudes were that it just wasn't important to learn and remember. I will admit to also being quite confused by Antifa being considered by many to be a bad thing. I thought that as a nation we had almost universally decided decades ago that Facism was a bad thing. Now it is bad to be against it for our President and his supporters. I just don't understand. I understand issues with Anarchists and their willingness to tear down our government, but why/how people treat both ideologies (anarchy and anti-facism) as if they are interchangeable/identical. |
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Post by jeremysgirl on Aug 29, 2017 14:13:16 GMT
Man, this place is tiresome sometimes. I assume you did not like my answers? So very sorry I am not one to stir the pot or start shit. But I can't let this go. You're being obstinate. It's very frustrating. This is a community. We come together to pray for one another. We give each other support. We cheer each other up. We give each other virtual hugs. If you can't see what value it is to come out and publicly support your fellow peas in denouncing evil, then I don't think anyone should give your posts any more value either. I read and often don't say anything. I heard from several peas on this thread that hearing we stand in solidarity against these ugly protestors is of value to them. I could see how my silence can be interpreted as acceptance. I can see how my stating that I do agree it's evil impacts others. It's not just our thoughts about Trump that matter. It is our thoughts about each other that matter. If we can't stand up together and just say this isn't right and call out evil when we see it, then we aren't truly a member of this community. If you want to be included here, want to be treated with respect, and want others to hear your viewpoints, consider that peas have reached right out to you on this very thread saying they want to see you are as horrified as they are. This isn't a partisan battle, this is a moral dilemna. Partisan discussion can wait for policy issues. |
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Post by peasapie on Aug 29, 2017 14:22:09 GMT
I don't understand all this complaining. If you don't like arguments, don't read the political threads because I can assure you, in this climate and with this president, there will be nastinesss. He's divisive. We have Nazis and white supremacists marching in the street, and he doesn't immediately decry them. Let's not pretend there is anything civil about him or expect people to be civil about anything to do with him. If you are thin skinned, don't show up, peek in on threads clearly marked political, and cry when someone uosets you. It's like going to an R rated movie and complaining about the sex and violence. If you don't understand why people are not being civil about him, ask yourself how HE speaks about others. And why the majority of Republicans chose him as their candidate. The reason people think most Republicans agree with him is because they do. He's the guy your party put up for election and most voted for. You could have voted for many independent candidates, and maybe you did. Good for you! But if you show up here defending him in these very troubled times, don't expect civil. can you specifically direct me on this thread, ANYONE defending him? I'm still without internet at home and trying to do any search on my phone is painful. Why are you like limiting your question to this thread? We are talking about political discussion on this board. Have you not ever seen what I referenced? Separately, I would like to add that I have a lot of respect for you and a few others who post under the same name as always. To me, that shows integrity. |
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Post by jennyap on Aug 29, 2017 14:24:29 GMT
I assume you did not like my answers? So very sorry I am not one to stir the pot or start shit. But I can't let this go. You're being obstinate. It's very frustrating. This is a community. We come together to pray for one another. We give each other support. We cheer each other up. We give each other virtual hugs. If you can't see what value it is to come out and publicly support your fellow peas in denouncing evil, then I don't think anyone should give your posts any more value either. I read and often don't say anything. I heard from several peas on this thread that hearing we stand in solidarity against these ugly protestors is of value to them. I could see how my silence can be interpreted as acceptance. I can see how my stating that I do agree it's evil impacts others. It's not just our thoughts about Trump that matter. It is our thoughts about each other that matter. If we can't stand up together and just say this isn't right and call out evil when we see it, then we aren't truly a member of this community. If you want to be included here, want to be treated with respect, and want others to hear your viewpoints, consider that peas have reached right out to you on this very thread saying they want to see you are as horrified as they are. This isn't a partisan battle, this is a moral dilemna. Partisan discussion can wait for policy issues.  |
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Post by SockMonkey on Aug 29, 2017 14:25:27 GMT
I assume you did not like my answers? So very sorry I am not one to stir the pot or start shit. But I can't let this go. You're being obstinate. It's very frustrating. This is a community. We come together to pray for one another. We give each other support. We cheer each other up. We give each other virtual hugs. If you can't see what value it is to come out and publicly support your fellow peas in denouncing evil, then I don't think anyone should give your posts any more value either. I read and often don't say anything. I heard from several peas on this thread that hearing we stand in solidarity against these ugly protestors is of value to them. I could see how my silence can be interpreted as acceptance. I can see how my stating that I do agree it's evil impacts others. It's not just our thoughts about Trump that matter. It is our thoughts about each other that matter. If we can't stand up together and just say this isn't right and call out evil when we see it, then we aren't truly a member of this community. If you want to be included here, want to be treated with respect, and want others to hear your viewpoints, consider that peas have reached right out to you on this very thread saying they want to see you are as horrified as they are. This isn't a partisan battle, this is a moral dilemna. Partisan discussion can wait for policy issues. Thank you for saying that. |
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Post by imsirius on Aug 29, 2017 14:26:05 GMT
Man, this place is tiresome sometimes. I assume you did not like my answers? So very sorry You didn't give any answers. You kept repeating the same thing over and over. "What does it mean?" Many people responded saying it would would mean a lot to them to know that people in THIS COMMUNITY denounce Trump's support of Nazis and the KKK. You keep saying you won't post that or anything for fear of retaliation. What retaliation??? People stated they would be open to hearing conservatives denouncing the white supremisists, yet you won't do it. You always state you are not a Trump supporter but truly? I have never seen or heard you post a thing against him or taking him to task. After awhile, one begins to believe you are a supporter and you agree with him. How hard is it to understand?? I'm sure you have me blocked so won't see this. |
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Post by imsirius on Aug 29, 2017 14:29:39 GMT
What board are you referring to? This is the third time you've mentioned it on this thread. The only external board I recall was the one the liberals created when 2 Peas was still around; you know, the one *you* were a part of. For someone claiming to be "new" you sure do know a lot about Elaine's posting history and the old board. Why not post under your real ID when coming back? You call others out for their "lies" but you are a hypocrite. Hiding behind a fake name. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2017 14:32:55 GMT
I assume you did not like my answers? So very sorry I am not one to stir the pot or start shit. But I can't let this go. You're being obstinate. It's very frustrating. This is a community. We come together to pray for one another. We give each other support. We cheer each other up. We give each other virtual hugs. If you can't see what value it is to come out and publicly support your fellow peas in denouncing evil, then I don't think anyone should give your posts any more value either. I read and often don't say anything. I heard from several peas on this thread that hearing we stand in solidarity against these ugly protestors is of value to them. I could see how my silence can be interpreted as acceptance. I can see how my stating that I do agree it's evil impacts others. It's not just our thoughts about Trump that matter. It is our thoughts about each other that matter. If we can't stand up together and just say this isn't right and call out evil when we see it, then we aren't truly a member of this community. If you want to be included here, want to be treated with respect, and want others to hear your viewpoints, consider that peas have reached right out to you on this very thread saying they want to see you are as horrified as they are. This isn't a partisan battle, this is a moral dilemna. Partisan discussion can wait for policy issues. i am sorry that you've either never seen support, encouragement, or advice I've shared on this forum and are so quickly ready to dismiss me simply because I am looking at this issue analytically (maybe not the word I'm looking for) vs emotional. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2017 14:36:53 GMT
can you specifically direct me on this thread, ANYONE defending him? I'm still without internet at home and trying to do any search on my phone is painful. Why are you like limiting your question to this thread? We are talking about political discussion on this board. Have you not ever seen what I referenced? Separately, I would like to add that I have a lot of respect for you and a few others who post under the same name as always. To me, that shows integrity. focusing on this thread because I have not visited this board on any kind of regularity in nearly a month - I have no phone, internet or cable at my new house...so I haven't even seen much news. Can't really focus on more than a month ago because I don't have the access to easily search and use for reference |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2017 14:38:39 GMT
I assume you did not like my answers? So very sorry You didn't give any answers. You kept repeating the same thing over and over. "What does it mean?" Many people responded saying it would would mean a lot to them to know that people in THIS COMMUNITY denounce Trump's support of Nazis and the KKK. You keep saying you won't post that or anything for fear of retaliation. What retaliation??? People stated they would be open to hearing conservatives denouncing the white supremisists, yet you won't do it. You always state you are not a Trump supporter but truly? I have never seen or heard you post a thing against him or taking him to task. After awhile, one begins to believe you are a supporter and you agree with him. How hard is it to understand?? I'm sure you have me blocked so won't see this. I have never mentioned fear of retaliation. |
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Post by elaine on Aug 29, 2017 14:45:40 GMT
I denounce all white supremacists and Nazis - felt the same way about Senator Robert Byrd. Notably, he served for 51 years. I do not like the president excusing their behavior nor do I like the Klan serving as government officials. linkYou do know that Senator Byrd left the KKK, denouncing them and accepting the shame of that association for the rest of his life, don't you? And worked for the rest of his life to pass civil rights legislation. Even though you brought him up as a political dig, he's actually a good example of someone who turned away from evil. Yes! He became such an advocate for civil rights that the NAACP officially mourned his death (link). |
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Post by elaine on Aug 29, 2017 14:49:19 GMT
Another thing I have to ask - because sometimes I feel like I've walked into Bizarro World - the people who claim to support Trump because he will lower the national debt as opposed to their view of Obama, do understand that Trump is threatening to close the government if Congress doesn't vote TO RAISE THE DEBT CEILING?
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But what does it mean Or accomplish...to me that's the bigger aspect because whether I do or don't isn't going to change Trump or this administration. It doesn't mean anything. Many people have posted with very clear answers saying what it would mean to them, how it would make them feel, that it could empower them to take action. That in itself is change. Not all change has to come from within the administration to have value. Honestly, I'm struggling to see why the way your fellow citizens feel means nothing. I will start with the disclaimer that I rarely post on political threads, though I do read almost all of them. I don't post much because I am not as well-spoken on political topics as so many of you here are. I love reading them because I learn so much, and I have very often changed my opinions on issues based on what I read and learn here. That out of the way, I'm going to give my 2 cents on why I would like people here to denounce Trump and his Nazi-sympathizing behavior and speeches. While I realize that doing so on a message board does nothing to "fix" anything, I want to know what type of people I am interacting with. I do not want to interact in any way with anyone who thinks that Nazism in America is ok, especially on a message board that I come to for enjoyment. In my real life, I have to deal with my parents who are Trump supporters. They think that he should just be left alone so he can get to the job of fixing this country. Yeah, my dad says that on a regular basis. They think people are too sensitive. We haven't talked specifically about Charlottesville, but I have no doubt they see nothing wrong with what Trump said because they say all the time that people twist his words. Which is just laughable to me considering that we all hear his words and they need no twisting to make him look bad. I have no choice but to interact with my parents, and I go out of my way to avoid any political discussions with them if I can help it. But, I would have no problem curtailing my contact with a friend who shows me that he or she thinks there is nothing wrong with not only Nazis marching in the streets of America chanting Hitler slogans but also thinks there is nothing wrong with the POTUS, no matter who he is, thinking there is nothing wrong with it either. I have no problem having friends and others in my life with different political beliefs than mine. But like someone else said pages ago, this isn't a political issue. It's a moral, personal character issue, and I find anyone who thinks Nazism in America is ok to be reprehensible. Therefore, I do not want to have anything to do with anyone on this board who thinks it is ok. I do not want to knowingly interact on some innocuous thread about crafts with someone who is a Nazi sympathizer. That is MY reason for wanting people here to denounce Trump on this particular topic. |
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Post by gardengoddess on Aug 29, 2017 14:54:10 GMT
I'm not going to read every single post of 10 pages of predictability but I did want to comment on something elaine said on this last page.. This. I don't get it. Why would being against Fascism be a bad thing? I have to think that there are people of both political parties that can agree on hating the things Fascism stands for and was defeated in WW2? Of course, there are going to be extremists on that side also, but I'm willing to bet some money that the majority of people who are showing up to counter protest Neo-Nazis, the KKK and any other deplorable that wants to march along side of them are not the violent ones. Can the Neo-Nazis, KKK and others say that? Who's the group that are coming locked and loaded, which I'm sure is just cheeky to the LEO that have to work that hot mess (who's the active shooter?) and waving a confederate flag and shouting "Sieg Trump"? This was probably for another thread but it's something that's been bugging me since C-ville. |
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Post by elaine on Aug 29, 2017 14:56:22 GMT
What board are you referring to? This is the third time you've mentioned it on this thread. The only external board I recall was the one the liberals created when 2 Peas was still around; you know, the one *you* were a part of. For someone claiming to be "new" you sure do know a lot about Elaine's posting history and the old board. Why not post under your real ID when coming back? You call others out for their "lies" but you are a hypocrite. Hiding behind a fake name. Yeah, not only is she dragging up 12 year old history, but it isn't quite accurate. Shortly after the LLP drama, Fern and other right-leaning peas decided external political boards were actually not a bad thing and had a conservative one going for a while. So, either lovetocolor was a part of the board 12 years ago and has an issue with memory (in addition to not admitting to her previous ID), or has been chatting with someone who was and didn't give her the full picture. |
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Post by jeremysgirl on Aug 29, 2017 15:01:14 GMT
Well said, @just T. I especially agree with this:
@jenny2, I have a really hard time seeing how anyone can justify this type of behavior whether looking at it from an analytical viewpoint or an emotional one. What Just T said above will make me think twice before I comment on your threads again.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2017 15:04:35 GMT
Well said, @just T. I especially agree with this: @jenny2, I have a really hard time seeing how anyone can justify this type of behavior whether looking at it from an analytical viewpoint or an emotional one. What Just T said above will make me think twice before I comment on your threads again. totally your choice but I haven't seen anyone here present themselves as a Nazi sympathizer. But you and anyone else are free to put whatever labels on people that you wish...the actual truth be damned. |
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Post by burningfeather on Aug 29, 2017 15:05:35 GMT
Whatever Elaine. You are right. My post was right under that but I said essentially the same thing so it rang familiar. I don't get why you have such an urge to prove everything and political vendetta to other peas here but obviously do. I would say more but I don't want to regret it which is why I left the board before the election and why I stay mostly off of political posts now. But I'm saying some really choice words in my brain right now and it has nothing to do with the drugs and pain killers I'm on
Also fuck you with that snide "somebody logged into your account"
bullshit. You know I don't play like that.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 29, 2017 15:06:56 GMT
I assume you did not like my answers? So very sorry I am not one to stir the pot or start shit. But I can't let this go. You're being obstinate. It's very frustrating. This is a community. We come together to pray for one another. We give each other support. We cheer each other up. We give each other virtual hugs. If you can't see what value it is to come out and publicly support your fellow peas in denouncing evil, then I don't think anyone should give your posts any more value either. I read and often don't say anything. I heard from several peas on this thread that hearing we stand in solidarity against these ugly protestors is of value to them. I could see how my silence can be interpreted as acceptance. I can see how my stating that I do agree it's evil impacts others. It's not just our thoughts about Trump that matter. It is our thoughts about each other that matter. If we can't stand up together and just say this isn't right and call out evil when we see it, then we aren't truly a member of this community. If you want to be included here, want to be treated with respect, and want others to hear your viewpoints, consider that peas have reached right out to you on this very thread saying they want to see you are as horrified as they are. This isn't a partisan battle, this is a moral dilemna. Partisan discussion can wait for policy issues. Your post is awesome! ❤️❤️❤️ |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 29, 2017 15:12:17 GMT
I am not one to stir the pot or start shit. But I can't let this go. You're being obstinate. It's very frustrating. This is a community. We come together to pray for one another. We give each other support. We cheer each other up. We give each other virtual hugs. If you can't see what value it is to come out and publicly support your fellow peas in denouncing evil, then I don't think anyone should give your posts any more value either. I read and often don't say anything. I heard from several peas on this thread that hearing we stand in solidarity against these ugly protestors is of value to them. I could see how my silence can be interpreted as acceptance. I can see how my stating that I do agree it's evil impacts others. It's not just our thoughts about Trump that matter. It is our thoughts about each other that matter. If we can't stand up together and just say this isn't right and call out evil when we see it, then we aren't truly a member of this community. If you want to be included here, want to be treated with respect, and want others to hear your viewpoints, consider that peas have reached right out to you on this very thread saying they want to see you are as horrified as they are. This isn't a partisan battle, this is a moral dilemna. Partisan discussion can wait for policy issues. i am sorry that you've either never seen support, encouragement, or advice I've shared on this forum and are so quickly ready to dismiss me simply because I am looking at this issue analytically (maybe not the word I'm looking for) vs emotional. Actually, I think you've got it backwards--I think you ARE responding emotionally with your stance on not wanting to denounce "the evil", because "analytically," or logical thinking would certainly see that doing so (denouncement) WOULD make a difference and advance efforts of change. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 29, 2017 15:12:21 GMT
And there may be the root of some of why some continue to support Trump: they have no clue as to what Nazis and the KKK actually are, and no sense of the actual history of those groups' ideologies and actions. Ignorance at its most dangerous and how history is allowed to repeat itself. I'm guessing that the 10 million people systematically murdered by the Nazis would have much preferred it if they were subjected to harsh words on the internet rather than bullets, poison gas, and starvation in concentration camps. You see I don't buy that excuse Elaine ( I don't mean from you but generally). Surely most, if not everyone, over the age of a young teens has been taught details of a World War that was fought by your country alongside your allies.I assumed they taught it in history at school. I can understand that maybe some from a third world country in the middle of Africa as an example might not have received the education to the standard of a first world country, but for citizens of a country like America to use the excuse that they have no knowledge of WW2 and what went on during that time is shocking. I believe that the truth of the matter is more that they choose to ignore it. If they can condemn the Antifa which stands for Anti Fascism,( leaving aside the anarchist that have jumped on that band wagon) they must surely have some knowledge of the opposite ideology which is Fascism/Nazism. How can someone condemn something they know nothing about? If something has an anti there is also a pro, you can't condemn one and ignore the opposite. I agree that people do know what a nazi is and what they did during WW2. Although I don't think that most people using the word Antifa do know what they are or what they stand for. IMO, it is a term that has been overused by right wing media to describe any protestor who is not right wing, and is automatically assumed to be "bad". |
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Post by J u l e e on Aug 29, 2017 15:35:43 GMT
You have time to respond to this, but can you please answer the questions I politely directed toward you in a previous post? I would appreciate it, since you asked the original question. the only question I saw in review was what it costs and why not denounce? (If I missed another question please lmk as I'm working on my phone with no internet connection and now at work). What it cost me to call out Trump here on this board? Nothing but time and effort. But what does it mean Or accomplish...to me that's the bigger aspect because whether I do or don't isn't going to change Trump or this administration. It doesn't mean anything. I guess it means about the same thing as extending empathy or support when someone announces they are going through a divorce here in this community. It costs the person responding nothing but time and effort. It isn't going to change what the person is going through. But I would never say it doesn't mean anything. I've seen people support and stand with others here through countless things - even if it is just to make them feel better. I've seen people do it for you. |
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Post by Just T on Aug 29, 2017 15:40:14 GMT
Well said, @just T. I especially agree with this: @jenny2 , I have a really hard time seeing how anyone can justify this type of behavior whether looking at it from an analytical viewpoint or an emotional one. What Just T said above will make me think twice before I comment on your threads again. totally your choice but I haven't seen anyone here present themselves as a Nazi sympathizer. But you and anyone else are free to put whatever labels on people that you wish...the actual truth be damned. No one is damning the truth. Because we don't know it. For some reason, you feel very strongly about NOT sharing whether or not you agree with Trump's Nazi-sympathizing action. You have asked why it's so important to people here for you to do so, you have been given numerous reasons why it is important, yet you continue to say, "Why does it matter to you?" I would never in a million, gazillion years EVER want someone to think/wonder if I am a Nazi sympathizer. I would shout it from the rooftops that I am not if anyone even suspected that I am. That is not something that I would want anyone to have even a niggling doubt about me and my character. |
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Post by #notLauren on Aug 29, 2017 15:51:21 GMT
Now you're spinning the truth. Don't make baseless comments (repeatedly) about the existence of imaginary groups and I'll have no reason to question you about them. *Then* all will be good. I can't believe I was nice to you when you first showed up here. I won't make that mistake again. Newbies, beware! You are all suspect! So saith the self-proclaimed "Queen of the Message Board". Get over yourself. You act as if people should consider themselves privileged that you deign to be nice to them. What a hoot. |
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