Question: is anyone really looking for civil discourse?

busy at work but I suppose the best way to explain the difference would be offering support for divorce, job loss, death of family member is personal. (And yes I have also received support here on this forum). While the klan or nazi's marching down the street is horrible and repulsive, unless they're camped in a pea's front yard , I don't see that as personal as divorce, illness, death etc.

It doesn't mean I'm in support of the klan or nazi's or that I cannot support others here, I just don't lump the two together in terms of support and how I can support or what I can say to encourage or make someone feel better here.

Man, this place is tiresome sometimes.

So saith the self-proclaimed "Queen of the Message Board".  Get over yourself.  You act as if people should consider themselves privileged that you deign to be nice to them.  What a hoot.

Oh you are so wrong and off the mark on this one...

lucyg is one of the most fair and level-minded peas on the board.  There are many days that I would love to have her calm composure, and I look to her as an example of compassionate political discussion. 

busy at work but I suppose the best way to explain the difference would be offering support for divorce, job loss, death of family member is personal. (And yes I have also received support here on this forum). While the klan or nazi's marching down the street is horrible and repulsive, unless they're camped in a pea's front yard , I don't see that as personal as divorce, illness, death etc.

It doesn't mean I'm in support of the klan or nazi's or that I cannot support others here, I just don't lump the two together in terms of support and how I can support or what I can say to encourage or make someone feel better here.

I will start with the disclaimer that I rarely post on political threads, though I do read almost all of them. I don't post much because I am not as well-spoken on political topics as so many of you here are. I love reading them because I learn so much, and I have very often changed my opinions on issues based on what I read and learn here.

That out of the way, I'm going to give my 2 cents on why I would like people here to denounce Trump and his Nazi-sympathizing behavior and speeches. While I realize that doing so on a message board does nothing to "fix" anything, I want to know what type of people I am interacting with. I do not want to interact in any way with anyone who thinks that Nazism in America is ok, especially on a message board that I come to for enjoyment.

In my real life, I have to deal with  my parents who are Trump supporters. They think that he should just be left alone so he can get to the job of fixing this country. Yeah, my dad says that on a regular basis. They think people are too sensitive. We haven't talked specifically about Charlottesville, but I have no doubt they see nothing wrong with what Trump said because they say all the time that people twist his words. Which is just laughable to me considering that we all hear his words and they need no twisting to make him look bad. 

I have no choice but to interact with my parents, and I go out of my way to avoid any political discussions with them if I can help it. But, I would have no problem curtailing my contact with a friend who shows me that he or she thinks there is nothing wrong with not only Nazis marching in the streets of America chanting Hitler slogans but also thinks there is nothing wrong with the POTUS, no matter who he is, thinking there is nothing wrong with it either. 

I have no problem having friends and others in my life with different political beliefs than mine. But like someone else said pages ago, this isn't a political issue. It's a moral, personal character issue, and I find anyone who thinks Nazism in America is ok to be reprehensible. Therefore, I do not want to have anything to do with anyone on this board who thinks it is ok. I do not want to knowingly interact on some innocuous thread about crafts with someone who is a Nazi sympathizer. 

That is MY reason for wanting people here to denounce Trump on this particular topic. 

Then I would say you are in a very, very small minority.

When he said "some were very fine people".

If you didn't see any of the video coverage from the Friday night torch march/parade, you could hear that statement and assume maybe there were a number of different groups there. But the fact is everyone in that parade was chanting "blood and soil", "they won't replace us", Jews won't replace us", etc. There was no way "a very fine person" accidentally found themselves in that group. Many were very clean cut, khaki and golf shirt wearing boys-next-door, but that doesn't make them fine people. Their chants made them white supremacists and Nazis.

I really don't think Trump saw any footage of Friday night. He may have seen photographs and he was quick to accept at least some as "very fine people".

What he said, based on what happened, can't be anything but sympathy to white supremacists and Nazis.SaveSaveSaveSaveSaveSave

I'm not going to read every single post of 10 pages of predictability but I did want to comment on something elaine said on this last page..

This. I don't get it. Why would being against Fascism be a bad thing? I have to think that there are people of both political parties that can agree on hating the things Fascism stands for and was defeated in WW2?

Of course, there are going to be extremists on that side also, but I'm willing to bet some money that the majority of people who are showing up to counter protest Neo-Nazis, the KKK and any other deplorable that wants to march along side of them are not the violent ones. Can the Neo-Nazis, KKK and others say that? Who's the group that are coming locked and loaded, which I'm sure is just cheeky to the LEO that have to work that hot mess (who's the active shooter?) and waving a confederate flag and shouting "Sieg Trump"?

This was probably for another thread but it's something that's been bugging me since C-ville.

I am sad to say that I do think that Trump saw footage, and I think that he says whatever comes to his mind to keep that adoring audience.  They will love and cheer for him as long as he supports them - even if support means not actively condemning them, as any other decent non-deplorable person or politician would. 

He knows that Nazis, The KKK and White Supremacists are part of his most loyal base - loyalty to HIM being MUCH more important to him than having honor and integrity (look at all the people he has tried to pressure into making loyalty pledges) or being loyal to the Constitution.  Trump cherishes their adoration much more than doing what is morally correct.