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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2017 23:11:46 GMT
"The United States would realize roughly $9 billion a year in economic gains by instituting a simple, nationwide policy change: starting public school classes no earlier than 8:30 a.m. That's according to an exhaustive new study by the Rand Corporation, the first of its kind to model the nationwide costs and benefits of later school start times. The economic benefits would come primarily from two sources: greater academic performance (and hence, lifetime earnings) among more well-rested students, and reduced rates of car crashes among sleepy adolescent drivers. Those benefits would greatly outweigh the annual costs of implementing the policy change, which include the price of reorganizing school bus schedules (estimated at $150 per student per year) and a flat, one-time cost of $110,000 per school to install additional infrastructure, like lighting, to support later dismissals, sports team practices and other student activities." www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/09/01/letting-teens-sleep-in-would-save-the-country-roughly-9-billion-a-year/?utm_term=.6c6d71cc013a&tid=sm_twOur school moved to 8:15 this year. So grateful.
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Post by used2scrap on Sept 1, 2017 23:13:50 GMT
I so wish ours would do this! My 16 year old gets up at 5:30 to catch the bus at 6:15. It's brutal! I think the problem here though is all levels of schools in the county share buses, so there are all different start/end times for elem/middle/high for the various routes to work.
When oldest was in k/1st he started school at 7:30 which was awful. Now his 3rd grade brother starts at 8:30 and 8th grade dd starts at 7:45.
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Post by craftymom101 on Sept 1, 2017 23:14:02 GMT
I think a later start time for middle school and high school kids is a great idea. I'm on the Space Coast of Florida and here Elementary school starts at 8am, middle school starts at 9:30am, and high school starts at 8:30am or 8:45am.
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Post by PolarGreen12 on Sept 1, 2017 23:18:14 GMT
When I was a freshman, class started at 730am. The first 30 minutes were homeroom and all I ever remember doing was sleeping on my desk for 30 minutes or chatting. It was asinine. Our day was over at 230pm, I would have gladly gone till 330 or 4pm for some more sleep.
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Post by used2scrap on Sept 1, 2017 23:19:10 GMT
I think a later start time for middle school and high school kids is a great idea. I'm on the Space Coast of Florida and here Elementary school starts at 8am, middle school starts at 9:30am, and high school starts at 8:30am or 8:45am. This would be amazing!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2017 23:20:37 GMT
Yes, they talk about Rand having modeled non-staggered buses and that's where the bulk of the costs comes from - having more buses and drivers. But enormously offset by better student learning and less adolescent car accidents. They didn't even get into modeling additional benefits of better mental health, obesity, etc.
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Post by ~summer~ on Sept 1, 2017 23:24:55 GMT
Out high school now starts at 8:40 three days a week. They have s new block schedule. It is a little hard though when the parents have to be out early for work.
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Post by Yoki on Sept 1, 2017 23:25:57 GMT
My son's high school starts at 9am. He loves it.
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Post by Peal on Sept 1, 2017 23:26:15 GMT
The high school my oldest attended started at 8:50. I really liked that start time. The high school my middle son attends starts at 7:50, and he catches a bus at 6:30 to get there. It takes kids from three schools, 6 - 12 grade in. I think it's too early for teens who really do need more sleep.
That said, when I was in high school I participated in extra curricular that required 6 am practices 3 days a week. So I only feel a little bit bad for him.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2017 23:31:49 GMT
A few years ago, the school district moved our High School start time to 7:30am to allow time for sports activities in the afternoon. You know, priorities. Every research report I've read says that teenagers' sleep cycle changes and they become night owls. I've seen it happen with my own eyes. It's too bad the schools can't get on board with this.
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Post by johnnysmom on Sept 1, 2017 23:34:55 GMT
Ds16 was just talking about this last week, wanting a later start time and saying studies have been done to support it. It won't ever happen here though for multiple reasons:
1. Tiny district, all 3 schools (elem., middle, high) are on one campus and share buses (they pick up/drop off all kids pre-K thru 12 at the same time). They can't ever find enough bus drivers as it is now, nevermind trying to find more.
2. The argument can be made for high school kids not being able to have after school jobs. I don't know how many do, but being a poor district I'd venture to say it's a valid argument.
But we start at 7:45, so not insanely early anyhow. I don't know what time bus pick up starts though.
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Post by breetheflea on Sept 1, 2017 23:37:40 GMT
Elementary starts at 8:30 Middle school starts at 9 High school starts at 7:20
They share bus drivers so one bus driver can do a hs,ms, and an es route in one morning, so who gets stuck with the 7:20 start time if they switch things around? At least high schoolers can get themselves up and dressed and I can sleep in (ha ha ha, don't have high schoolers yet, so maybe not).
I started ms and hs at 7:40, 6 straight years of getting up at 6 and walking to school in the dark. I've served my time ;P
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Post by freecharlie on Sept 1, 2017 23:47:02 GMT
High school here starts just before/after 8.
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Post by lurkingsince2001 on Sept 1, 2017 23:47:37 GMT
The school district in my home town is going the wrong direction. While many of the surrounding ones are going to four day weeks and/or later start times, that district has lengthened the school day this year by 45 minutes AND lengthened the school year. SMH
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Post by johnnysmom on Sept 1, 2017 23:51:47 GMT
The school district in my home town is going the wrong direction. While many of the surrounding ones are going to four day weeks and/or later start times, that district has lengthened the school day this year by 45 minutes AND lengthened the school year. SMH Wow Did they add extra breaks?
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Post by gsquaredmom on Sept 2, 2017 0:13:08 GMT
We go 7:35 to 3:06. Used to be 7:40 to 3:11. Pushed up to save money on buses.
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Post by houston249 on Sept 2, 2017 0:13:47 GMT
Originally, in the 70's, the high school students did have a later starting time. The time was changed to an earlier time was so the high school student's younger siblings would not come home to an empty house. I was not happy about this, I had been looking forward to being old enough to sleep in, but such was life back then. The reason behind the change was the amount of both parents working outside the home had increase so much. Do keep in mind, the concept of afterschool daycare had not been invented yet.
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Post by refugeepea on Sept 2, 2017 0:24:10 GMT
Instituting a nationwide rule rarely ever works well. I am in favor of later start times but in my district it would have kids going home at very late hours. A significant amount of students are bused. I know one bus picks them up at 4 different schools. Once you factor in all the stops, there are some rides that are over an hour long one way.
ETA: You also have to factor in extra curricular activities; not just sports. It would work for a school with a dense population but they would have to wait for the competing school and game times or competitions would start much later because of travel involved.
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Post by gramasue on Sept 2, 2017 0:35:14 GMT
In our rural area, there is only one high school that serves many surrounding towns. HS starts at 8:00 a.m. and some of the kids that live further out get the bus at 6:30. Elementary schools start at 9:00 a.m. It must be a nightmare for those parents who drive their kids in to school because they have to be at work by a certain time. I'm glad I'm past all that. My kids always just walked to school, but then we lived in a city then and the schools were close by.
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Post by melanell on Sept 2, 2017 0:40:06 GMT
Our elementary schools start at 8:40, but the middle & high schools start earlier. Middle School is the earliest, which I never understood, because I would think that kids at the age of the start of puberty (for many of them) would need more sleep for sure. The problem, of course, is the extra-curriculars. If the kids start later, will they be in class later? Then will the after-school meetings, practices, games, etc. be later? If so, then we aren't really helping are we? They're just going to bed alter and getting up later instead of actually gaining sleep. I'm not sure how that part would work out.
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Post by 950nancy on Sept 2, 2017 0:47:44 GMT
A few years ago, the school district moved our High School start time to 7:30am to allow time for sports activities in the afternoon. You know, priorities. Every research report I've read says that teenagers' sleep cycle changes and they become night owls. I've seen it happen with my own eyes. It's too bad the schools can't get on board with this. How could you change this to a 8:30-9 o'clock start time and still have sports for kids? They often don't finish before 6 p.m. when school starts at 7:00 a.m. Sports aren't the priority, but a lot of kids wouldn't participate in sports if they didn't get home until 7:30-8:00 each night. I loved the fact that sports kept my kids really busy. They came home, ate, did homework and crashed.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2017 1:09:16 GMT
A few years ago, the school district moved our High School start time to 7:30am to allow time for sports activities in the afternoon. You know, priorities. Every research report I've read says that teenagers' sleep cycle changes and they become night owls. I've seen it happen with my own eyes. It's too bad the schools can't get on board with this. How could you change this to a 8:30-9 o'clock start time and still have sports for kids? They often don't finish before 6 p.m. when school starts at 7:00 a.m. Sports aren't the priority, but a lot of kids wouldn't participate in sports if they didn't get home until 7:30-8:00 each night. I loved the fact that sports kept my kids really busy. They came home, ate, did homework and crashed. I guess I have a different view. My dd did sports and she would have to be at school by 6am for practice. That meant getting up by 5am to get ready and get there on time.Then if they had a game she wouldn't get home until 10pm, even 11pm on some nights. It was ridiculous. I just feel that they really don't consider the kids' health sometimes. And sleep deprivation is a big issue for teens.
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Post by 950nancy on Sept 2, 2017 1:15:06 GMT
How could you change this to a 8:30-9 o'clock start time and still have sports for kids? They often don't finish before 6 p.m. when school starts at 7:00 a.m. Sports aren't the priority, but a lot of kids wouldn't participate in sports if they didn't get home until 7:30-8:00 each night. I loved the fact that sports kept my kids really busy. They came home, ate, did homework and crashed. I guess I have a different view. My dd did sports and she would have to be at school by 6am for practice. That meant getting up by 5am to get ready and get there on time.Then if they had a game she wouldn't get home until 10pm, even 11pm on some nights. It was ridiculous. I just feel that they really don't consider the kids' health sometimes. And sleep deprivation is a big issue for teens. I've never known a sport to start in the morning. Clubs, yes, but sports no. With all of the physical exercise, kids would sleep through class. Not sure how to fix it. I don't think there is a way or they would have done it by now.
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Post by PLurker on Sept 2, 2017 1:16:39 GMT
I think most teenagers would contribute to the $ if they could just to sleep in a bit. Early hours are not natural for them. Heck they aren't for me anymore either! and gramasue is right about the bus rides. I let both my kids drive when they could. It is about a 10-15 min drive to school. By bus- over an hour. If they took it both ways that's over 2 hours lost per day.
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Post by Scrapper100 on Sept 2, 2017 1:18:28 GMT
People around here hate this as there is no way to get kids to school later as they have to work. Personally I would love an 830 vs 730 start time. I was surprised how adamant people were that they couldn't do a latter drop off.
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Post by chaosisapony on Sept 2, 2017 1:25:39 GMT
I think it's a great idea to push start times back. My high school started at 7:45 am and let me tell you, we all pretty much slept through our 1st period. Not to mention a lot of the extra curriculars were considered zero period which means you had to be there at 6:50.
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Post by heather on Sept 2, 2017 1:43:28 GMT
People around here hate this as there is no way to get kids to school later as they have to work. Personally I would love an 830 vs 730 start time. I was surprised how adamant people were that they couldn't do a latter drop off. My kids are older now, so it's not an issue. But when they were younger, there was no way we could get them on the bus at a later time. Delays were a big issue. Of course you can always do before school care, but that would defeat the purpose of a later start time.
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Post by AnotherPea on Sept 2, 2017 1:52:06 GMT
Later times would never happen. Too many parents consider school to be free daycare and too many refuse to let their darlings ride the bus.
My dd's school started at 8:30 and parents would drop off kids at 7:40 to get to work by 8. They expected staff to supervise the kids until school started. The school repeatedly stated no drop offs until 8:05 but parents wouldn't listen. Eventually the school had to close the parking lot and hire a cop at $30/hr to stand guard at the faculty entrance.
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Post by seaexplore on Sept 2, 2017 1:58:01 GMT
I'm a teacher of middle grades. The school I'm at is a K-8. We start at 7:45 and the K-3 gets out at 1:45 with the 4-8 getting out at 2:20. Our high school starts at 8:05 and gets out at 3:05.
I asked my kids about their feelings on starting later. They were all about it because it meant that their parents would let them stay up later and play on their phones and video games. They will not get any extra sleep. They'll still be tired when school starts. It's not going to be beneficial to MOST kids. AND sports will go until 10 or 11 on a school night. Jobs would be harder to get since they wouldn't be able to start work until 4 or later.
Now, for me? I'd LOVE a later start. I'm a morning person but I have to get up at 5:30 to get lunches made, showered, breakfast, etc... before I leave at 6:45. If we started at 8:30, I wouldn't have to leave until 7:30. Not that I'd sleep in since my internal alarm clock goes off at 5:45 at the absolute latest. I could get stuff done at home before having to leave. You know, important stuff like email, Facebook, chatting with my friends. LOL
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Post by lurkingsince2001 on Sept 2, 2017 2:13:53 GMT
The school district in my home town is going the wrong direction. While many of the surrounding ones are going to four day weeks and/or later start times, that district has lengthened the school day this year by 45 minutes AND lengthened the school year. SMH Wow Did they add extra breaks? No extra breaks. In fact, they shortened the winter and spring breaks I was told.
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