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Post by elaine on Sept 30, 2017 22:41:25 GMT
The wonderful republicans in the House again just voted against NJ/NY area continued help for Sandy and many people are still out of their homes... www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2017/09/house_republicans_bash_nj_while_helping_other_stat.html#incart_2box_nj-homepage-featured New Jersey turning into a political punching bag for Republicans in Washington Updated on September 30, 2017 at 7:12 AMPosted on September 30, 2017 at 7:00 AM WASHINGTON -- When some Republicans sought to strip out $900 million earmarked for the Gateway Tunnel, House GOP leaders called a vote on it. Ditto when they tried to end a $1.6 billion program for New Jersey and other northeastern states with extensive mass transit. But Republican leaders refused to vote on giving Hurricane Sandy victims the same tax breaks as those suffering losses from recent major storms.
To some Garden State residents, it's as House Republicans see New Jersey is a political punching bag to be bashed, with its federal funding diverted elsewhere. "It's rather unbelievable that our colleagues on the other side could stoop this low," said Rep. Donald Norcross, D-1st Dist. "I've got to believe there's only one reason -- we're a blue state." Rep. Tom MacArthur, R-3rd Dist., said that's the hand New Jersey lawmakers are dealt. "There are plenty of inconsistencies around here," MacArthur said. "I have to do what I can do within the realm that I can control. I don't make the rules; I have to work within them." There is more at the link above... My comments: McArthur is the Rep that drafted the earlier health care bill, so I'm not so pleased with him, but the House should be pleased, but then he was screwing us in NJ there.... ETA: it's in the article, but NJ only gets back $38 for each $100 paid in taxes. And the mayor of San Juan seems to be a strong outspoken WOMAN! He don't like that!! Just as a point of accuracy, Puerto Rico doesn't pay federal income tax. Where did anyone say that they did? This article is about New Jersey.
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Post by used2scrap on Sept 30, 2017 22:46:26 GMT
She's a natural born US citizen over age 35. I'd imagine the "birthers" and their ilk would argue the 14 year residency "within" the US though... Regarding taxes www.irs.gov/taxtopics/tc900/tc901www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/individuals-living-or-working-in-us-possessionswww.pr51st.com/taxation-without-representation-in-puerto-rico/Puerto Rico pays taxes to the United States, too. In 2011, Puerto Rico paid $3.3 billion in taxes to the U.S., about the same amount as Vermont. Sometimes Puerto Rico pays more than Vermont. Some of the kinds of taxes paid by the people of Puerto Rico: Social Security taxes payroll taxes import taxes export taxes commodity taxes Most people in Puerto Rico do not pay Federal income taxes. However, they do pay local income taxes, and in many cases these are higher than Federal income taxes would be. What’s more, nearly half of the people on the mainland do not pay income taxes. They may have to file, but tax credits and deductions mean that many people in the United States do not pay federal income taxes. So we can see that the people of Puerto Rico, as a group, pay taxes just as other U.S. citizens do.
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Post by artgirl1 on Sept 30, 2017 23:05:40 GMT
I am a Conservative... when will the LEFT ever sit down and be quiet for a few years.., The Left will sit down and shut up when there is a reasonable, intelligent and compassionate POTUS representing ALL Americans. The Left will sit down and shut up when the Potus is exhibiting reasonable and diplomatic behavior and not tweeting BS and insults to stir up controversy and war. The Left will sit down and shut up when the swamp he was allegedly going to drain, doesn't take over the Peoples House and rob the American people. The left will sit down and shut up when the current POTUS doesn't threaten other nations with war. The left will sit down and shut up when the current Potus starts thinking in terms of what is best for all Americans, not just for himself and his 30% base. The Left will sit down and shut up when the current Potus does not incite racism, and hate and controversy. The Left will sit down and shut up when the current Potus doesn't violate every ethical, emolument and self serving cause available to him. The Left will sit down and shut up when the current POTUS, man-Baby, vengeful toddler starts behaving with the dignity the office of President deserves. The left will shut up when the truth about Russia, and his personal gains from this Office are transparently laid out to the American People. This is not a conservative or liberal issue, and if you see it as that, you are narrow minded bigot. You can be a conservative and have concern for your fellow man. If you don't like the left speaking out to preserve the freedoms and dignity of the American People, then you are in for a bumpy ride.
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Post by AmandaA on Sept 30, 2017 23:09:41 GMT
Damn... I have been around here for over 2 years now and so far have managed to never personally attack another pea (unless of course a few select politicians are here... but it was never a direct attack ).... but it is getting so damn hard not to go off lately!
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Post by inkedup on Sept 30, 2017 23:15:45 GMT
I am a Conservative... when will the LEFT ever sit down and be quiet for a few years..,. 😂😂😂😂😂😂 Oh, wait....you're NOT kidding. I'm sure you sat silently during the Obama administration. As much as you hate it, the first amendment gives us the right to NOT sit silently while people like you ruin whatever is good and decent in this country.
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Post by heather on Sept 30, 2017 23:32:47 GMT
And just like that, another thread derailed. Right out of trump’s playbook.
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Post by artgirl1 on Sept 30, 2017 23:54:18 GMT
LOOK AT THE FACTS.
Puerto Rico ranks #23 in debt behind Texas (#3), Florida (#7), Louisiana (#21). Potus wasn't worried about their debt in determining how much money send them
He delayed 5 days in waiving the Jones Act, Denying twice first. Although he waived it immediately for Louisiana and Texas, and Florida, states who had the option to recieve supplies overland.
According to the Pentagon, there are 5000 active troops and National Guard involved with Puerto Rico. There were 22,000 deploed to Haiti in 2010 after the Earthquake, and 24,000 deployed to Japan after the Tsunami in 2011.
That is what leadership does, not golf and tweeting fake news and criticism of leadership.
Peuto Ricans are American Citizens, Trump is their President, and he is responsible for their well being.
This is a issue of basic humanity and he is a massive fail.
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Post by Anita on Sept 30, 2017 23:58:00 GMT
I am a Conservative... when will the LEFT ever sit down and be quiet for a few years..,. Gee, let me check on that for you. Never. Fucking. Ever. That's when.
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Post by valleyview on Oct 1, 2017 0:11:06 GMT
The Washington Post provided some background on Mayor Cruz. "Carmen Yulín Cruz Soto told the world of the “horror” she had witnessed in the flooded streets, which she had been walking ever since the storm, in a place she expects to have no power for half a year.
Until then, she had not been a well-known politician outside the island, which many mainland Americans don’t even know is a U.S. territory.
But after Cruz criticized Washington’s response to the hurricane this week — “save us from dying” — President Trump decided to size her up on Twitter.
“Such poor leadership ability by the Mayor of San Juan,” he wrote Saturday. The Democrats must have gotten to her.
Since the president brought it up, we present below the historical record of the leadership abilities of Cruz, before and after the storm.
The island
Cruz is, in some ways, a lifelong politician: class president in eighth grade; student council president in high school.
Like many Puerto Ricans, she left the island to pursue opportunities on the U.S. mainland, earning a bachelor’s degree in political science at Boston University and a master’s degree in public management and policy at Carnegie Mellon.
She stayed on the mainland for many years afterward, according to her official biography, and worked her way up to the position of human resources director at several companies, including Scotiabank and the Treasury Department." Maybe she should run for president! Could she run for president when they can't vote? I would say that she meets the standards set in the constitution, but I am pretty sure that someone would take it to court. It's interesting how some people want the constitution interpreted to their own taste. Eisenhower was not a registered voter before he ran for president, and Hoover had lived abroad. John McCain was born in Panama, and George Romney was born in Mexico. Both had parents who were US citizens, as did Barack Obama, who was born in a state, not a territory.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Oct 1, 2017 4:08:54 GMT
I am a Conservative... when will the LEFT ever sit down and be quiet for a few years..,. People are suffering in Puerto Rico. They are dying! So I hope people on the left don't sit down and shut up. In fact, people on the right should be joining them in the outrage over Trump and his tweets. This is about human decency. Not whether you are liberal or conservative. The Bush administration made some mistakes during Katrina. Bush was not perfect. But he would have never behaved the way Trump is. He had empathy for people who were suffering. Not narcissist Trump. Exactly! This is why there is such a divide. It isn't just a difference if opinion. It is a difference in fundamental values about life and how people are treated.
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Post by redhead32 on Oct 1, 2017 4:17:28 GMT
I saw on Twitter that the governor is praising Trump? I'll try to post the link the tweet/video with audio at the begging from the governor.
What am I missing?
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Post by 950nancy on Oct 1, 2017 4:31:08 GMT
The governor was on The View the other day (interviewed off site obviously) and he was saying that he was in contact daily with Trump. I can't remember his exact words, but the overall message was he was thankful for the help he'd been given but they need so much more.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2017 4:41:18 GMT
I am a Conservative... when will the LEFT ever sit down and be quiet for a few years..,. Awwww, dumpwing. Did someone hurt your fee-fees? Did someone strain your sympathy muscle? Are you tired and hungry, w/o power or water? Are you worried sick over an ill child or aging parent?. Without enough help and compassion from your fellow countrymen and women? No? Yet you tell those who are either in that position, or caring and protesting about those in that position, to "sit down and be quiet". What a charmer you must be. How lucky those in your care. Ima sit right here and listen to all your good advice about how to best enable human flourishing. Right after I listen to Nazis tell me about how to ensure freedom. Mkay?
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Post by ScrapsontheRocks on Oct 1, 2017 4:52:02 GMT
I don't think History will be kind to the Trump administration. The incompetence and corruption will be chronicled and studied for years to to come. it is too bad he is older and probably won't be around for that On the other hand, though, we know he cares Bigly, Yugely about his reputation and being loved, feared and admired. I bet he obsesses about the way he will be portrayed in the History books every single day, every single tweet ETA: and now I have read the rest of the thread (so far) - I did not know about the payment of taxes by the territory or what I think is debt to the US federal government by the territory/ other states (?) and I am glad to learn more.
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Post by pherena on Oct 1, 2017 10:02:55 GMT
Really a very shameful thing to say. People are suffering there and certainly need all the help we can provide.
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Post by mollycoddle on Oct 1, 2017 11:06:57 GMT
I am a Conservative... when will the LEFT ever sit down and be quiet for a few years..,. Hahaha! Good luck with that. Not gonna happen, especially while this critter is in office.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Oct 1, 2017 12:14:43 GMT
How in the world did the state of our divide devolve into the idea that hurricane relief is partisan?
So...
-Conservative = unfettered support for decisions about relief services lest it be interpreted as criticism of hardworking military/FEMA (a.k.a. "My people," you know, the ones who respect the flag at football games. THEY'RE the ones we should be most concerned about offending. And who's going to blame the guys following orders? What a jingoistic deflection.)
-Liberal = support for lazy, whiny, resource-draining Puerto Ricans, including That Ungrateful Bitch Who Doesn't Know Her Place.
Really? Is that the fork in the road we're creating? Shouldn't we all be supporting Puerto Ricans? Do we have to get mired in this man's transparently raw compulsions?
And in the midst of this debacle, Mr. President, you took the time to 1. issue another command ('cause the previous seven weren't enough) to professional athletes, and 2. publicly pout that the fake media didn't laud you for gaining votes for Luther Strange. Seriously?
Are you happy now that you could carve out enough time in your already eventful day to violate the constitution, tend your bruised IBackedALoser ego, AND delegitimize the media before sitting down to your steak dinner in front of the TV? Shame on you.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Oct 1, 2017 12:17:11 GMT
In the above post, it took me a ridiculous number of attempts to remove the auto-correct apostrophe from "Puerto Rican's" <---- SEE?? C'mon, Apple, wake up, surely if you can program in the possibility of plural New Yorkers, you can program in the possibility of plural Puerto Rican's? <---- SEE? (Yeah, I'm prickly, but I'm overall exasperated with our country's ignorance about Puerto Rico...even software engineers. Heh.)
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Post by monklady123 on Oct 1, 2017 13:01:01 GMT
In the above post, it took me a ridiculous number of attempts to remove the auto-correct apostrophe from "Puerto Rican's" <---- SEE?? C'mon, Apple, wake up, surely if you can program in the possibility of plural New Yorkers, you can program in the possibility of plural Puerto Rican's? <---- SEE? (Yeah, I'm prickly, but I'm overall exasperated with our country's ignorance about Puerto Rico...even software engineers. Heh.) Ha! It is annoying, but you do get extra credit for at least knowing when that apostrophe should be there and when it should not.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Oct 1, 2017 14:27:41 GMT
I asked in another thread, but I would like to know what "conservative values" are?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2017 14:31:12 GMT
I asked in another thread, but I would like to know what "conservative values" are? In my experience "I got mine. You go get yours." Usually dressed up in "faith, family, flag."
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Post by PLurker on Oct 1, 2017 14:34:06 GMT
I am a Conservative... when will the LEFT ever sit down and be quiet for a few years.., The Left will sit down and shut up when there is a reasonable, intelligent and compassionate POTUS representing ALL Americans. The Left will sit down and shut up when the Potus is exhibiting reasonable and diplomatic behavior and not tweeting BS and insults to stir up controversy and war. The Left will sit down and shut up when the swamp he was allegedly going to drain, doesn't take over the Peoples House and rob the American people. The left will sit down and shut up when the current POTUS doesn't threaten other nations with war. The left will sit down and shut up when the current Potus starts thinking in terms of what is best for all Americans, not just for himself and his 30% base.The Left will sit down and shut up when the current Potus does not incite racism, and hate and controversy. The Left will sit down and shut up when the current Potus doesn't violate every ethical, emolument and self serving cause available to him. The Left will sit down and shut up when the current POTUS, man-Baby, vengeful toddler starts behaving with the dignity the office of President deserves. The left will shut up when the truth about Russia, and his personal gains from this Office are transparently laid out to the American People. This is not a conservative or liberal issue, and if you see it as that, you are narrow minded bigot. You can be a conservative and have concern for your fellow man. If you don't like the left speaking out to preserve the freedoms and dignity of the American People, then you are in for a bumpy ride. I think you could/should leave out the part about his base. He'd easily turn on them too, given the right circumstances.He is just using them too. It's all about him period. He is that narcissistic.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 1, 2017 14:51:41 GMT
Interesting.............. I just followed someone's link to another and another.......... Disasters in States vs. TerritoriesPuerto Rico has suffered the effects of two hurricanes this month. In Puerto Rico between 1953 and 2011 there were 11 hurricanes, 9 severe storms, 8 floods, 2 droughts, one fire, and one unidentified “other” disaster — 32 disasters. Between 2005 and 2016, FEMA provided $392,000,000 in grants to Puerto Rico to cope with disasters. Connecticut, with a population just a little bit larger than Puerto Rico, declared 31 disasters between 1953 and 2011, a number very close to Puerto Rico’s. Yet, even though Connecticut has similar numbers for population and a similar frequency of disasters, Connecticut received $698,000,000 from FEMA between 2005 and 2016.What’s the difference? Puerto Rico is a territory. Connecticut is a state. Connecticut has 5 seats in the House of Representatives and 2 senators. Puerto Rico has one non-voting representative. Is it only Connecticut? Iowa has a population of a little more than 3 million, and received $2,539,000,000 in grants from FEMA between 2005 and 2016. Oklahoma, with a population of just over 3.8 million, received $1,254,000,000.There are many factors involved in grants awarded to various areas, certainly including the level of destruction and the level of need. Grants are not awarded according to the population of the state or territory. Speaker of the House Paul Ryan recently said, “The stories and images coming out of Puerto Rico are devastating. Congress is working with the administration to ensure necessary resources get to the U.S. territory. Our fellow citizens in Puerto Rico remain in our prayers as we make sure they have what they need.” More at the link............ www.pr51st.com/disasters-states-vs-territories/
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Post by hop2 on Oct 1, 2017 15:29:52 GMT
I am a Conservative... when will the LEFT ever sit down and be quiet for a few years.., The Left will sit down and shut up when there is a reasonable, intelligent and compassionate POTUS representing ALL Americans. The Left will sit down and shut up when the Potus is exhibiting reasonable and diplomatic behavior and not tweeting BS and insults to stir up controversy and war. The Left will sit down and shut up when the swamp he was allegedly going to drain, doesn't take over the Peoples House and rob the American people. The left will sit down and shut up when the current POTUS doesn't threaten other nations with war. The left will sit down and shut up when the current Potus starts thinking in terms of what is best for all Americans, not just for himself and his 30% base. The Left will sit down and shut up when the current Potus does not incite racism, and hate and controversy. The Left will sit down and shut up when the current Potus doesn't violate every ethical, emolument and self serving cause available to him. The Left will sit down and shut up when the current POTUS, man-Baby, vengeful toddler starts behaving with the dignity the office of President deserves. The left will shut up when the truth about Russia, and his personal gains from this Office are transparently laid out to the American People. This is not a conservative or liberal issue, and if you see it as that, you are narrow minded bigot. You can be a conservative and have concern for your fellow man. If you don't like the left speaking out to preserve the freedoms and dignity of the American People, then you are in for a bumpy ride. I’m not ‘LEFT’ ( and not ‘RIGHT’ either ) but I’m sorry art girl even then I’m not going to ‘shut up’ it’s my right to speak out and SPEK to my government. More so when they are intelligent enough they might listen
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Post by hop2 on Oct 1, 2017 15:30:36 GMT
I am a Conservative... when will the LEFT ever sit down and be quiet for a few years..,. Chris Christie is that you?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2017 15:31:03 GMT
Nero fiddling while Rome burns. Perfect analogy!
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Post by hop2 on Oct 1, 2017 15:33:20 GMT
that is my Most favorite Christie beach chair meme
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 1, 2017 15:49:06 GMT
that is my Most favorite Christie beach chair meme Oh my!! I never saw that one! It is great!!
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