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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2017 17:30:57 GMT
On the ground reporting of people "doing everything they can".
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2017 17:48:28 GMT
More on-the-ground reporting.
We can't get stuff to the interior because of roads. How much do you want to bet if this was a war, we would have found a way to drop supplies in?
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Post by navymomk9 on Oct 1, 2017 20:19:07 GMT
More on-the-ground reporting. We can't get stuff to the interior because of roads. How much do you want to bet if this was a war, we would have found a way to drop supplies in? Yes. If only someone would invent a flying machine that could fly over an area and drop things. Maybe the Huuuuuuge increase in the Pentagon's budget will help with that. On another note- seeing Lt Gen.Honore giving interviews the last few days- somebody in authority down there needs to listen to that man. He has a list of very smart very comprehensive needs and how to get things really moving. Didn't he turn the Katrina mess around?
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Post by M~ on Oct 1, 2017 20:23:45 GMT
You know, my power was out for 1 and 1/2 days as a result of Hurricane Irma. My granny, who is 102 (almost 103) uses oxygen daily. After 1 and 1/2 days without oxygen, my granny was as pale as a sheet, and we were afraid for her health. LUCKILY for her and for us, we live in Florida. We were able to get into a car and drive 1 hour to a friend's house where there was electricity.
Had we lived in P.R., my grandmother, who has been through war, poverty, who has given birth to about 15 children, who has raised countless others, including me, would have died a stupid death. It's not about politics, really. It's about human life, whatever color it comes in. A grandmother in Puerto Rico has no less right to life than a grandmother in Miami, or one in Texas, or one in Louisiana. That's what it's about. So, whomever said liberals should be silent, on behalf of my 102 year-old granny and on behalf of all those abuelas who at this point in time cannot get medical help because of this "President", I say to you, GO FUCK YOURSELF. Okay?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2017 20:35:25 GMT
Hm. It's so confusing. He was so happy and impressed with the job performances of Greg Abbott and Rick Scott, but he seems to be so angry and disgusted with Carmen Yulín Cruz and the people of Puerto Rico. What could the difference be? Nope. He's definitely not a racist, misogynistic pig. We're just imagining that. Abbot and Scott (among many others) praised Trump on how well he handled the previous hurricanes. Other officials besides the Mayor of San Juan have reported much differently than she has. Running out of fuel, not enough drivers, badly damaged roads and it's an island could also be several other differences. But let's not look at the actual differences and just go automatically to racism.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2017 20:45:03 GMT
Hm. It's so confusing. He was so happy and impressed with the job performances of Greg Abbott and Rick Scott, but he seems to be so angry and disgusted with Carmen Yulín Cruz and the people of Puerto Rico. What could the difference be? Nope. He's definitely not a racist, misogynistic pig. We're just imagining that. Abbot and Scott (among many others) praised Trump on how well he handled the previous hurricanes. Other officials besides the Mayor of San Juan have reported much differently than she has. Running out of fuel, not enough drivers, badly damaged roads and it's an island could also be several other differences. But let's not look at the actual differences and just go automatically to racism. We ARE looking at the differences and they spell racism. For Harvey and Irma, Trump stayed in DC or Camp David for *gasp* 3 whole weekends. For Maria and PR, he was at a resort last weekend and this weekend. Yes, it's an island. So he and his team should have PREPARED for an island's assistance. Yes, not enough fuel. So he and his team should have PREPARED to have fuel there as soon as it passed. Yes, not enough drivers. So he and his team should have PREPARED for drivers to be there as soon as it passed. As I said above, if this was a war, we'd have made damn sure we could get supplies in. A natural disaster is similar to a nature's war on humans. So he and his team should have PREPARED accordingly. But, not as much fun as playing war I guess. And, yes, Cruz didn't fawn all over him like Scott and Abbott. So, racism with a twist of narcissism. But, hey, you keep defending him. Poor little rich President.
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Post by *KAS* on Oct 1, 2017 20:50:53 GMT
Lin-Manual Miranda Tweeted "You're going straight to hell" to that POS! He is writing a song for Hurricane relief to raise some $$. ETA: Royal Cruise lines is picking up passengers/refugees from St John, St Thomas and Puerto Rico and taking them to, maybe Florida, free of charge!! My friends from St Croix are on that Royal Caribbean cruise! They are headed to Ft Lauderdale, with their dog, cat and all of their possessions! (I mentioned them the other day and said they were flying out. Not sure what happened - she said 'after a day of heartbreak, Royal Caribbean saved the day and our sanity.')
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Post by navymomk9 on Oct 1, 2017 21:00:59 GMT
Ya know I don't think I'm much different than a lot of Americans who grumble on how their tax dollars are spent. But I think we can all agree that when it comes to taking care of our fellow citizens basic life saving needs money should be no object. The use of our military around the world is always debated. But deploying them to assist our fellow citizens should be a given.
I'm thinking this now because Sunday is my bill paying/budgeting for the month day. In the last month we have donated $200 to 3 hurricanes. We don't mind and will probably give more but why? We(collective we)should not need to be asked for donations for National disasters. My government should have an unlimited budget for life saving. There seems to be unlimited$$ for travel for cabinet members. Why is there a need to have a telethon for victims of storms? Our government should tell us "Don't worry.We got this" Just now I realize I may not understand the reasoning behind the private fundraising I just feel that it should never be needed. I suppose it's a way to feel I'm helping but why should we feel like if I don't give $50 someone won't get food or water? I just don't think disaster relief should be run this way.
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Post by anonrefugee on Oct 1, 2017 21:22:17 GMT
Ya know I don't think I'm much different than a lot of Americans who grumble on how their tax dollars are spent. But I think we can all agree that when it comes to taking care of our fellow citizens basic life saving needs money should be no object. The use of our military around the world is always debated. But deploying them to assist our fellow citizens should be a given. I'm thinking this now because Sunday is my bill paying/budgeting for the month day. In the last month we have donated $200 to 3 hurricanes. We don't mind and will probably give more but why? We(collective we)should not need to be asked for donations for National disasters. My government should have an unlimited budget for life saving. There seems to be unlimited$$ for travel for cabinet members. Why is there a need to have a telethon for victims of storms? Our government should tell us "Don't worry.We got this" Just now I realize I may not understand the reasoning behind the private fundraising I just feel that it should never be needed. I suppose it's a way to feel I'm helping but why should we feel like if I don't give $50 someone won't get food or water? I just don't think disaster relief should be run this way. I want to believe we, private individuals and organizations, would still donate even if the government was paying for all. ButI agree, it's crazy reading in succession the news about misuse of travel budgets, Trump travel expenses and golf outings, and the needs for disaster aid. In a few places the dollar amounts aligned. Why can we commoners see this, but those with the ability to correct it do not? (Rhetorical, these self serving SOBs know exactly what they're doing.)
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Post by casii on Oct 1, 2017 21:27:22 GMT
You know, my power was out for 1 and 1/2 days as a result of Hurricane Irma. My granny, who is 102 (almost 103) uses oxygen daily. After 1 and 1/2 days without oxygen, my granny was as pale as a sheet, and we were afraid for her health. LUCKILY for her and for us, we live in Florida. We were able to get into a car and drive 1 hour to a friend's house where there was electricity. Had we lived in P.R., my grandmother, who has been through war, poverty, who has given birth to about 15 children, who has raised countless others, including me, would have died a stupid death. It's not about politics, really. It's about human life, whatever color it comes in. A grandmother in Puerto Rico has no less right to life than a grandmother in Miami, or one in Texas, or one in Louisiana. That's what it's about. So, whomever said liberals should be silent, on behalf of my 102 year-old granny and on behalf of all those abuelas who at this point in time cannot get medical help because of this "President", I say to you, GO FUCK YOURSELF. Okay? You know the poster who dropped that stink bomb, left and wont be revisiting this thread, but for what it's worth, I wholeheartedly agree with you.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2017 22:09:08 GMT
Abbot and Scott (among many others) praised Trump on how well he handled the previous hurricanes. Other officials besides the Mayor of San Juan have reported much differently than she has. Running out of fuel, not enough drivers, badly damaged roads and it's an island could also be several other differences. But let's not look at the actual differences and just go automatically to racism. We ARE looking at the differences and they spell racism. For Harvey and Irma, Trump stayed in DC or Camp David for *gasp* 3 whole weekends. For Maria and PR, he was at a resort last weekend and this weekend. Yes, it's an island. So he and his team should have PREPARED for an island's assistance. Yes, not enough fuel. So he and his team should have PREPARED to have fuel there as soon as it passed. Yes, not enough drivers. So he and his team should have PREPARED for drivers to be there as soon as it passed. As I said above, if this was a war, we'd have made damn sure we could get supplies in. A natural disaster is similar to a nature's war on humans. So he and his team should have PREPARED accordingly. But, not as much fun as playing war I guess. And, yes, Cruz didn't fawn all over him like Scott and Abbott. So, racism with a twist of narcissism. But, hey, you keep defending him. Poor little rich President. For those who don't let the truth get in the way of a good story here's the actual timeline of massive federal response in Puerto Rico->
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 1, 2017 22:11:15 GMT
You know, my power was out for 1 and 1/2 days as a result of Hurricane Irma. My granny, who is 102 (almost 103) uses oxygen daily. After 1 and 1/2 days without oxygen, my granny was as pale as a sheet, and we were afraid for her health. LUCKILY for her and for us, we live in Florida. We were able to get into a car and drive 1 hour to a friend's house where there was electricity. Had we lived in P.R., my grandmother, who has been through war, poverty, who has given birth to about 15 children, who has raised countless others, including me, would have died a stupid death. It's not about politics, really. It's about human life, whatever color it comes in. A grandmother in Puerto Rico has no less right to life than a grandmother in Miami, or one in Texas, or one in Louisiana. That's what it's about. So, whomever said liberals should be silent, on behalf of my 102 year-old granny and on behalf of all those abuelas who at this point in time cannot get medical help because of this "President", I say to you, GO FUCK YOURSELF. Okay? Glad you were able to get your ganny to electric. And: I think the mayor of San Juan was saying exactly that, WE ARE DYING!! Now his tweets are saying that all the buildings in Puerto Rico have been checked for safety? ALL? How did they get to all the buildings? Finally the Governor has stated something against dt, that he cannot verify the tweet about the buildings. But they can't deliver food and water? JUST on the news: FEMA has stated that they have delivered water and food to all 69+ municipalities, but that not everyone is getting it because there is no way to let some know?!!??!! ?!?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2017 22:14:32 GMT
Abbot and Scott (among many others) praised Trump on how well he handled the previous hurricanes. Other officials besides the Mayor of San Juan have reported much differently than she has. Running out of fuel, not enough drivers, badly damaged roads and it's an island could also be several other differences. But let's not look at the actual differences and just go automatically to racism. We ARE looking at the differences and they spell racism. For Harvey and Irma, Trump stayed in DC or Camp David for *gasp* 3 whole weekends. For Maria and PR, he was at a resort last weekend and this weekend. Yes, it's an island. So he and his team should have PREPARED for an island's assistance. Yes, not enough fuel. So he and his team should have PREPARED to have fuel there as soon as it passed. Yes, not enough drivers. So he and his team should have PREPARED for drivers to be there as soon as it passed. As I said above, if this was a war, we'd have made damn sure we could get supplies in. A natural disaster is similar to a nature's war on humans. So he and his team should have PREPARED accordingly. But, not as much fun as playing war I guess. And, yes, Cruz didn't fawn all over him like Scott and Abbott. So, racism with a twist of narcissism. But, hey, you keep defending him. Poor little rich President. By the way, even Bloomberg is admitting that Trump did not botch the Puerto Rico crisis. LinkThe jump to racism feeds your narrative but doesn't match the facts in this case.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Oct 1, 2017 23:07:34 GMT
Geraldo Rivera, grandstanding as usual.
"I could find no one dying." Ay, Dios mío.
Good thing he's rushed to Puerto Rico to broker peace between the president and the mayor - while conveniently punching home the "partisan" and "ungrateful" and "loathing Trump" angles for his Fox audience. He says he can't figure out why the aid is so delayed, but "what I really lament is this politically driven island." (Cause, really, what's more important?)
"Republican governor and far left wing Democratic mayor." LOL. Hyperbole, your name has always been Geraldo. And not for nothin', the mayor is not beholden to mainland Democrats 'cause she's not, you know, a Democrat...
(Washington Post)
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Post by Sharon on Oct 1, 2017 23:25:20 GMT
Lin-Manual Miranda Tweeted "You're going straight to hell" to that POS! He is writing a song for Hurricane relief to raise some $$. ETA: Royal Cruise lines is picking up passengers/refugees from St John, St Thomas and Puerto Rico and taking them to, maybe Florida, free of charge!! My friends from St Croix are on that Royal Caribbean cruise! They are headed to Ft Lauderdale, with their dog, cat and all of their possessions! (I mentioned them the other day and said they were flying out. Not sure what happened - she said 'after a day of heartbreak, Royal Caribbean saved the day and our sanity.') There's been a class action lawsuit filed against Royal Caribbean because of the way they handled Harvey. It was in today's paper. They must be trying to make up for the way they treated the passengers in Galveston. I'm glad they did something different here.
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Post by elaine on Oct 1, 2017 23:44:41 GMT
I went ahead and gave to the organization linked in Lin-Manuel Miranda’s tweets. Moveon.org sent out an email from him and will cover the credit card fees so that 100% of donations made will go to the Hispanic Federation.
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Post by redhead32 on Oct 2, 2017 0:22:14 GMT
Ya know I don't think I'm much different than a lot of Americans who grumble on how their tax dollars are spent. But I think we can all agree that when it comes to taking care of our fellow citizens basic life saving needs money should be no object. The use of our military around the world is always debated. But deploying them to assist our fellow citizens should be a given. I'm thinking this now because Sunday is my bill paying/budgeting for the month day. In the last month we have donated $200 to 3 hurricanes. We don't mind and will probably give more but why? We(collective we)should not need to be asked for donations for National disasters. My government should have an unlimited budget for life saving. There seems to be unlimited$$ for travel for cabinet members. Why is there a need to have a telethon for victims of storms? Our government should tell us "Don't worry.We got this" Just now I realize I may not understand the reasoning behind the private fundraising I just feel that it should never be needed. I suppose it's a way to feel I'm helping but why should we feel like if I don't give $50 someone won't get food or water? I just don't think disaster relief should be run this way. I live in a really conservative area, and when I have conversations about the role of the government, they often say that it isn't the government's job to do these things (healthcare, emergency disaster relief, welfare, etc). It is the role of the church and private organizations, not the government. I vehemently disagree, but thought it might help explain at least part of the push for fundraising. I don't think military spending falls into this line of reasoning, though. I haven't heard anyone explicitly say that we should slow down/scale back military spending.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 2, 2017 0:34:54 GMT
I don't think military spending falls into this line of reasoning, though. I haven't heard anyone explicitly say that we should slow down/scale back military spending. I think that the Military uses disasters to upgrade their hands-on training.
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Post by used2scrap on Oct 2, 2017 0:37:51 GMT
I don't think military spending falls into this line of reasoning, though. I haven't heard anyone explicitly say that we should slow down/scale back military spending. I think that the Military uses disasters to upgrade their hands-on training. Hands on training for what exactly? You do know the primary mission of the active military is in fact not humanitarian assistance right?
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