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Post by ginacivey on Oct 24, 2017 20:20:55 GMT
a real life - thingswhitepeopledo
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Post by ginacivey on Oct 24, 2017 20:21:48 GMT
wait - these are actual people who are out patrolling?
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Post by georgiapea on Oct 24, 2017 22:21:16 GMT
Thanks for posting a positive piece, Olan.
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Post by SockMonkey on Oct 24, 2017 22:24:58 GMT
Thank you for sharing this. For our teachers on the board, check this out: teachingwhilewhite.orgThe podcast is pretty good.
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Post by SockMonkey on Oct 24, 2017 22:26:15 GMT
Also, I don't think we can have a white nonsense thread without Titus.
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Post by oaksong on Oct 24, 2017 22:44:35 GMT
This looks like a great educational resource. I haven't looked at it in depth, but I will. I am always willing to learn more and understand how we can all promote racial harmony
I have not admitted it before on this board, but I was raised in a very racist home in a very segregated environment. It has taken a lifetime and constant attention to unlearn things that were ingrained in me as a child. Thankfully since moving to California in my teens, I have lived in an environment where it was easy to learn, grow and change.
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Post by cheyenne on Oct 24, 2017 23:42:40 GMT
Hi all, I am actually a volunteer over at White Nonsense Roundup. "Liking" our page on Facebook is the best way to become familiar with our mission and to request assistance when needed. We prioritize requests for help from black, brown and indigenous people but will join in any conversation when tagged/invited in order to address white nonsense in conversations about race. For example, Oaksong, if your relatives are on your FB page spouting racism (often disproved statistics or so-called "right wing" talking points), you can request a volunteer join in the conversation to address the misinformation. www.facebook.com/whitenonsenseroundup/Come check us out.
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Post by oaksong on Oct 25, 2017 0:05:14 GMT
Hi all, I am actually a volunteer over at White Nonsense Roundup. "Liking" our page on Facebook is the best way to become familiar with our mission and to request assistance when needed. We prioritize requests for help from black, brown and indigenous people but will join in any conversation when tagged/invited in order to address white nonsense in conversations about race. For example, Oaksong, if your relatives are on your FB page spouting racism (often disproved statistics or so-called "right wing" talking points), you can request a volunteer join in the conversation to address the misinformation. www.facebook.com/whitenonsenseroundup/Come check us out. Thanks for chiming in! I appreciate the response and offer of assistance!
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Post by SockMonkey on Oct 25, 2017 0:06:28 GMT
Hi all, I am actually a volunteer over at White Nonsense Roundup. "Liking" our page on Facebook is the best way to become familiar with our mission and to request assistance when needed. We prioritize requests for help from black, brown and indigenous people but will join in any conversation when tagged/invited in order to address white nonsense in conversations about race. For example, Oaksong, if your relatives are on your FB page spouting racism (often disproved statistics or so-called "right wing" talking points), you can request a volunteer join in the conversation to address the misinformation. www.facebook.com/whitenonsenseroundup/Come check us out. Cool! Thanks for popping in to share this info!
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Post by flanz on Oct 25, 2017 2:20:09 GMT
Awesome resources shared in this thread! Thanks very much Olan and all who have shared! <3
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Post by tduby1 on Oct 25, 2017 2:53:17 GMT
I love it!
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Post by Olan on Oct 25, 2017 12:10:40 GMT
Hi all, I am actually a volunteer over at White Nonsense Roundup. "Liking" our page on Facebook is the best way to become familiar with our mission and to request assistance when needed. We prioritize requests for help from black, brown and indigenous people but will join in any conversation when tagged/invited in order to address white nonsense in conversations about race. For example, Oaksong, if your relatives are on your FB page spouting racism (often disproved statistics or so-called "right wing" talking points), you can request a volunteer join in the conversation to address the misinformation. www.facebook.com/whitenonsenseroundup/Come check us out. Hi Cheyenne I was unclear of the premise. I assumed WNR was white people policing white people without the need for brown and black people to experience the trauma. Here is a great article medium.com/@realtalkwocandallies/white-people-stop-asking-us-to-educate-you-about-racism-69273d39d828\
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Post by compwalla on Oct 25, 2017 16:08:59 GMT
I really like this explanation on why white people have to do their own work learning about and doing something about racism: "If you want to learn Spanish, do you walk up to an Hispanic person and ask them to teach you? No. You take a class. Do the same thing here."
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Post by Olan on Oct 26, 2017 16:14:24 GMT
I really like this explanation on why white people have to do their own work learning about and doing something about racism: "If you want to learn Spanish, do you walk up to an Hispanic person and ask them to teach you? No. You take a class. Do the same thing here." I would agree that at this juncture white people do need to take responsibility for their own "re-education" but in my experience here at 2peas you guys have simply been ***resistant*** to information full stop. I mean can anyone spot the passive aggressive thank you? "But the reality is, after most of these conversations, we want to scream in frustration when you don’t even try to hear us. We come away feeling like we’ve wasted precious energy that we didn’t even have to spare in the first place. These experiences are just tiring. Yes. We are tired. Exhausted in fact." cheyenne assured me that once they get more volunteers WNR would be happy to have a presence here at 2peas. Resistance: 2peasrefugees.boards.net/thread/66472/question-looking-civil-discourseAnd there it is. Demonize the person with the opposing view instead of letting the civil discourse happen. Yup. You're a victim. No one is demonizing you. You, lauren (sorry, lovestocolor), and olan have a lot in common. Stir up shit and fling it, and then play victim. Enjoy the view from up on your cross. inkedup have you noticed how you and a couple other peas are always in the middle of these types of threads? Why continue to bring Olan into this when I am rarely here to defend myself? Or if we've both mutually agreed to not engage? You do know my posting history is just as viewable as yours is right? I'll post what I want, thanks. As you like to say, I am freeborn 😘 I have no interest in engaging you. You're free to like my posts and to tag me as often as you want. You're just as hostile as a few other peas, and all of you like to play victim when you get called out for it. There has been no mutual agreement not to engage, and if there has, why have you liked several of my old posts and tagged me a few times recently in an effort to engage me? It's only bullying when other people do what you do 😂 I'm not worried about anyone sifting through my post history or activity on this public message board. Have a great day! Tragic and horrifying. I have no doubt that in the exact same circumstance, but with a white woman, the white woman would still be alive today. I dislike statements like this. You have no way of knowing and it is inflammatory to make a definitive statement. I do wonder about the use of lethal force against a woman with a knife. Wouldn't a taser have worked? Is there a lot of police injury and death from a knife? Also, is the shoot to kill mandate still around? I would think a shot to the leg would have stopped her. freecharlie 2peasrefugees.boards.net/thread/63239/charleena-lyles?page=2mollycoddle2peasrefugees.boards.net/thread/64486/black-anger2peasrefugees.boards.net/thread/59472/white-women-help-study-linkhop2 freecharlie freebird2peasrefugees.boards.net/thread/59490/america-say-sorryfreecharlie Why is only your current involvement in the board race related? Any time results of a study are prefaced with "as expected" I start doubting validity. 2peasrefugees.boards.net/thread/63682/girlhood-interrupted-erasure-black-girlsI love the message. But is it really by P&G??? I have my doubts - the grammar makes me think otherwise. 2peasrefugees.boards.net/thread/65369/proctor-gamble-adLegitimate confusion? Whenever I am legitimately confused about something I will research it. I would certainly research it before declaring it fake and attacking the validity of it but maybe that's just Olan in 2017 *shrugs* Nink would not be the first pea to suggest I "ignore everyone". Everyone? It's a 1 page thread! When someone says "Beautifully done" what should my response be? Another one Newsflash Genius - you posted a link and then asked for our thoughts. We gave them. And now you bitch that we didn't take the time to research what YOU posted? Priceless. Another one 2peasrefugees.boards.net/thread/45290/another-black-man-policeIt's all horrific The ending of black lives by other black men is just as much of an issue and I wish there was a way to stop all this violence I'm so, so sick of watching the news and setting how many young black men die and it's like so many of them don't value each other or lift each other up, you just have to be a mom or old before you see another way besides fast money and kill or be killed And that's really not just a young black man problem, it's a poverty problem Olan - hello it's been awhile too bad it's this awful news story that's brought you back around i think i'm going to hold off judgment until more facts come out and even then, i'm gonna try to not judge because i don't put my life on the line every day and i don't struggle to survive in a less- than - hospitable environment gina I don't think she's referring to this case at all. I think she making a general statement as to the all facts coming out. Don't assume that anyone asking for the investigation to be completed is sayin that they are looking for a way for the cops to always be right. I don't think you could read that into what I wrote. I kinda assumed since she was responding to this post she may have been referencing recent events too. Then I asked in the form of that post for clarification. Dialogue.Before she could answer you responded. Please think about what you really truly feel about black people and how it contributes to this. I have done just that for a very long time. How I feel is absolutely contrary to your opinion of peas that did not make the "correct comments" on this thread. One thing I have learned firsthand is how easy it is for some people of color to misinterpret very simple actions and/or words of people with whiter skin. They have been oversensitive and overreacted, separating themselves out from the larger community as if somehow, they were not being treated exactly the same way that everyone else was being treated. It hurts me when that has happened. How do you get someone to believe that you constantly mix names up and call someone by someone else's name - even your own kids - when they have decided that "Hey, all us black people look the same to you."? You can't. Anything you say from that point on only reinforces that belief in their eyes. I feel you've done the same thing here. What in the world can anyone say to you now that will allow you to think any differently? I hope you will notice that I haven't laid any blame here. It's understandable how these thoughts of racism are generalized to include many more people than it should. It's also time that you begin to realize that. Without having seen the videos, I can tell you that it sounds like both of these men died when they needn't have. The shooting in the car is especially horrific and I agree that Diamond Reynolds was heroic in streaming the incident live. And to think of that poor child.... I see a lifetime of carrying incredible pain ahead. ETA - I'm going to pull this out myself. Because it happens, as evidenced by these shootings. But it doesn't mean everyone is guilty.
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Post by RosieKat on Oct 26, 2017 19:38:51 GMT
I really like this explanation on why white people have to do their own work learning about and doing something about racism: "If you want to learn Spanish, do you walk up to an Hispanic person and ask them to teach you? No. You take a class. Do the same thing here." I'm not sure I 100% agree. I think there is room/need for both. For learning Spanish, yes, learn in a class but you don't fully experience the learning until you use the language and learn the actual vernacular, and so forth. There is the objective, "book learning" aspect to it, but that is different from understanding people's personal experiences. As it relates to racism, yes I need to be alert and doing what I can, but there will also be some things I don't see unless the people experiencing it tell me. I think we need to do both. (Learn what we can on our own, but be open and learn from the experiences of the people living it.) ETA: Think about how livid women in general become when we are mansplained to. We get angry because they try to tell us how we're feeling, what we are experiencing, etc. I think we learn when we listen to those experiencing something while trying to keep our own bias out of it, and then try to learn from that as well as other sources.
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Post by Zee on Oct 26, 2017 23:14:29 GMT
Yes Olan, I get it, this is like the 4th time you've quoted me on that particular comment. You tell me not to engage you then turn around and pull this time and time and time again. Though this post covers a rather epic array of posters with whom you have an axe to grind...lol. I knew as soon as I looked at my notifications what this would be.
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Post by mollycoddle on Oct 26, 2017 23:36:53 GMT
Yes Olan, I get it, this is like the 4th time you've quoted me on that particular comment. You tell me not to engage you then turn around and pull this time and time and time again. Though this post covers a rather epic array of posters with whom you have an axe to grind...lol. I knew as soon as I looked at my notifications what this would be. <shrug>. I can’t figure out why she does this either, but I stand by what I wrote.
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Post by Olan on Oct 27, 2017 0:07:35 GMT
Yes Olan, I get it, this is like the 4th time you've quoted me on that particular comment. You tell me not to engage you then turn around and pull this time and time and time again. Though this post covers a rather epic array of posters with whom you have an axe to grind...lol. I knew as soon as I looked at my notifications what this would be. I don't have an axe to grind. It's much bigger than that. The fact that you can't see that is why I don't engage with you. mollycoddle stands by what she said if everyone else does then there should be no complaints when I round up all the white non-sense and place it in a neat box. I will continue to quote whomever I like all while exerting as little emotional energy as possible. Funny no one ever quotes me but would have everyone believe I am crazy, one who shuts down dialogue, mean, a royal bitch (hi elaine) etc. I've said this a time or two already but just for posterity sake I don't care what any of you think of me, in the same way you claim to not care what I think of you. I rarely make things personal (quote me) and I absolutely could. I know your (universal you) need to make things personal and attack my character is simply because you don't want to examine your contribution to this shit show.
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Post by inkedup on Oct 27, 2017 0:17:11 GMT
Yes Olan, I get it, this is like the 4th time you've quoted me on that particular comment. You tell me not to engage you then turn around and pull this time and time and time again. Though this post covers a rather epic array of posters with whom you have an axe to grind...lol. I knew as soon as I looked at my notifications what this would be. She thinks her quotes are "gotchas"; in this case, she is pointing us out as racists to the people from White NonSense, I guess so that they can see how awful we all are. The odd thing is, though, she even takes offense to people who are agreeing with her. Olan just wants someone to be angry at. She expects a grace from others that she does not extend. She is consistently combative and nasty, and when that same attitude is returned to her, she plays victim and cries racism. She wants the freedom to treat others horribly but expects others to kiss her ass. It really seems like she only expects capitulation and sycophantic responses. When we don't follow the script in her angry head, we're racists. I don't think it is possible to productively engage her.
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Post by Zee on Oct 27, 2017 0:42:07 GMT
Yes Olan, I get it, this is like the 4th time you've quoted me on that particular comment. You tell me not to engage you then turn around and pull this time and time and time again. Though this post covers a rather epic array of posters with whom you have an axe to grind...lol. I knew as soon as I looked at my notifications what this would be. I don't have an axe to grind. It's much bigger than that. The fact that you can't see that is why I don't engage with you. mollycoddle stands by what she said if everyone else does then there should be no complaints when I round up all the white non-sense and place it in a neat box. I will continue to quote whomever I like all while exerting as little emotional energy as possible. Funny no one ever quotes me but would have everyone believe I am crazy, one who shuts down dialogue, mean, a royal bitch (hi elaine) etc. I've said this a time or two already but just for posterity sake I don't care what any of you think of me, in the same way you claim to not care what I think of you. I rarely make things personal (quote me) and I absolutely could. I know your (universal you) need to make things personal and attack my character is simply because you don't want to examine your contribution to this shit show. I know you weren't addressing just me, but ftr, I've never once attacked your personal character. You want me to not engage you, I acquiesced, yet you STILL continue to tag and quote me months and months later after I apologized many times for making an apparently insensitive comment. Try quoting those. Too inconvenient? It only works one way for you? I'm here to kick around when it's convenient but I'm not to address you? It's just bizarre. Leave me out of your nonsense. I've never once said anything racist, far from it. You just choose to interpret it that way.
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Post by Zee on Oct 27, 2017 0:49:35 GMT
Yes Olan, I get it, this is like the 4th time you've quoted me on that particular comment. You tell me not to engage you then turn around and pull this time and time and time again. Though this post covers a rather epic array of posters with whom you have an axe to grind...lol. I knew as soon as I looked at my notifications what this would be. She thinks her quotes are "gotchas"; in this case, she is pointing us out as racists to the people from White NonSense, I guess so that they can see how awful we all are. The odd thing is, though, she even takes offense to people who are agreeing with her. Olan just wants someone to be angry at. She expects a grace from others that she does not extend. She is consistently combative and nasty, and when that same attitude is returned to her, she plays victim and cries racism. She wants the freedom to treat others horribly but expects others to kiss her ass. It really seems like she only expects capitulation and sycophantic responses. When we don't follow the script in her angry head, we're racists. I don't think it is possible to productively engage her. Shit gets seriously old. I don't even want to engage in any conversation here about race relations because I know she's waiting to quote and tag and try to paint me as a racist or, at best, clueless. She told me not to engage, I honored those wishes but I can't get the same in return. Unless I'm agreeing with her, as in parts of the Beyonce thread--then it's more convenient to ignore me because it doesn't fit her narrative of me. I was gone from this place for over a week on a road trip visiting with friends and family. It sure was nice. I should try it again.
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Post by Olan on Oct 27, 2017 1:16:57 GMT
I really am serious about not engaging with the peas who most commonly find themselves quoted by me. I believe they've both vowed to do the same but just can't seem to. You said what you said. If you stand by it, there is no reason to worry about what my online persona thinks of it or how often I point out the words you felt comfortable typing. I only have the narrative you provided. Also no one could paint a portrait you didn't sit still for.
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Post by Zee on Oct 27, 2017 1:38:07 GMT
I really am serious about not engaging with the peas who most commonly find themselves quoted by me. I believe they've both vowed to do the same but just can't seem to. You said what you said. If you stand by it, there is no reason to worry about what my online persona thinks of it or how often I point out the words you felt comfortable typing. Then don't tell me not to engage you while you feel free to drag me back into your online disputes here time and again. If you REALLY have to go looking for that quote every time you want to bring it up, you're putting an awful lot of effort into something that shouldn't be important to you because it's just an online persona, right? Seriously, leave me out of it.
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Post by inkedup on Oct 27, 2017 1:38:58 GMT
I think your persona here is rude and nasty, but I don't hate you. Being an asshole online makes you unpleasant, but I doubt anyone here cares enough to actually hate you.
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Post by Olan on Oct 27, 2017 1:43:34 GMT
I think your persona here is rude and nasty, but I don't hate you. Being an asshole online makes you unpleasant, but I doubt anyone here cares enough to actually hate you. Quote me
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Post by inkedup on Oct 27, 2017 1:52:28 GMT
I think your persona here is rude and nasty, but I don't hate you. Being an asshole online makes you unpleasant, but I doubt anyone here cares enough to actually hate you. Quote me I can't. you deleted the post where you claimed that some of us just hate you. Either way, Olan, have a good night. I'm sure you've proved to everyone that we are racists and you are a victim.
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Post by flanz on Oct 27, 2017 1:53:16 GMT
Hi all, I am actually a volunteer over at White Nonsense Roundup. "Liking" our page on Facebook is the best way to become familiar with our mission and to request assistance when needed. We prioritize requests for help from black, brown and indigenous people but will join in any conversation when tagged/invited in order to address white nonsense in conversations about race. For example, Oaksong, if your relatives are on your FB page spouting racism (often disproved statistics or so-called "right wing" talking points), you can request a volunteer join in the conversation to address the misinformation. www.facebook.com/whitenonsenseroundup/Come check us out. Hi Cheyenne I was unclear of the premise. I assumed WNR was white people policing white people without the need for brown and black people to experience the trauma. Here is a great article medium.com/@realtalkwocandallies/white-people-stop-asking-us-to-educate-you-about-racism-69273d39d828\ FANTASTIC article! Thank you, Olan!
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Post by flanz on Oct 27, 2017 1:59:12 GMT
I really like this explanation on why white people have to do their own work learning about and doing something about racism: "If you want to learn Spanish, do you walk up to an Hispanic person and ask them to teach you? No. You take a class. Do the same thing here." I'm not sure I 100% agree. I think there is room/need for both. For learning Spanish, yes, learn in a class but you don't fully experience the learning until you use the language and learn the actual vernacular, and so forth. There is the objective, "book learning" aspect to it, but that is different from understanding people's personal experiences. As it relates to racism, yes I need to be alert and doing what I can, but there will also be some things I don't see unless the people experiencing it tell me. I think we need to do both. (Learn what we can on our own, but be open and learn from the experiences of the people living it.) ETA: Think about how livid women in general become when we are mansplained to. We get angry because they try to tell us how we're feeling, what we are experiencing, etc. I think we learn when we listen to those experiencing something while trying to keep our own bias out of it, and then try to learn from that as well as other sources. RosieKat, I agree that we need to learn from the people in the struggle, but I try to do that by reading black voices in blogs and articles all over the internet, or in books. That is content that they have put out there for public consumption but it doesn't take any more of their energy if I read it. On the other hand, if I engage the same person, or try to engage them, in a conversation, I can see how that would be draining. Esp. if it happens over and over again.
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Post by libby on Oct 27, 2017 2:00:57 GMT
I see that Olan is big into white racist. But I have a serious question, do you ever work on the black on black hate? That does a tremendous amount of damage to the black community.
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