peabay
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Post by peabay on Oct 30, 2017 10:29:08 GMT
Been whispers about him forever.
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Post by epeanymous on Oct 30, 2017 10:43:13 GMT
WTF kind of "explanation" was that? "I don't remember trying to get intimate with this young teen but if I did, oops, sorry, must've been drunk." That also definitely was not "I did not do that." That was "I do not specifically remember him."
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Post by epeanymous on Oct 30, 2017 10:50:10 GMT
Hmmmm...it happened at a party. Wonder what kind of party it was to have 14 yr olds intermixed with 26 year olds!! I remember going to community theater cast parties at that age that would have had a mix of adults and teens at the exact same time (late 80s). My guess is you see less of that now.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Oct 30, 2017 11:24:50 GMT
So I am the only one who didn't realize he was gay? It's a pretty open secret - even boring me has heard the rumors. I actually thought he was bi. But like another pea said, I honestly don't really care that much about an actor's sex life - it's private. This story saddens me
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Post by Kymberlee on Oct 30, 2017 11:28:28 GMT
You know what I find really disgusting (well, besides the obvious) is that he chooses this moment to officially come out as a gay man. Let’s whistle past the pedo part and talk about me ‘cuz I’m gay as if we might overlook he is a disgusting pedophile. What a douche.
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Post by peasapie on Oct 30, 2017 11:30:16 GMT
You know what I find really disgusting (well, besides the obvious) is that he chooses this moment to officially come out as a gay man. Let’s whistle past the pedo part and talk about me ‘cuz I’m gay as if we might overlook he is a disgusting pedophile. What a douche. It's a Trumpian deflection!
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Post by busy on Oct 30, 2017 11:34:06 GMT
You know what I find really disgusting (well, besides the obvious) is that he chooses this moment to officially come out as a gay man. Let’s whistle past the pedo part and talk about me ‘cuz I’m gay as if we might overlook he is a disgusting pedophile. What a douche. Because he’s spinning the story and it sadly seems to be working. The headlines from multiple major news sources (AP, Reuters, NYT, etc) are that he’s gay, not about the accusations. And like looking right here - that’s what the focus is too. I can’t believe how many people are falling for it. And don’t even get me started on the gay stereotypes of young boys and older men.
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Post by peabay on Oct 30, 2017 11:38:17 GMT
You know what I find really disgusting (well, besides the obvious) is that he chooses this moment to officially come out as a gay man. Let’s whistle past the pedo part and talk about me ‘cuz I’m gay as if we might overlook he is a disgusting pedophile. What a douche. Yes, yes, yes. His career is over, nonetheless.
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Post by Kymberlee on Oct 30, 2017 11:43:56 GMT
You know what I find really disgusting (well, besides the obvious) is that he chooses this moment to officially come out as a gay man. Let’s whistle past the pedo part and talk about me ‘cuz I’m gay as if we might overlook he is a disgusting pedophile. What a douche. Because he’s spinning the story and it sadly seems to be working. The headlines from multiple major news sources (AP, Reuters, NYT, etc) are that he’s gay, not about the accusations. And like looking right here - that’s what the focus is too. I can’t believe how many people are falling for it. And don’t even get me started on the gay stereotypes of young boys and older men. Yep, I saw that and yep, it is working like a charm. 💩😡
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Post by peppermintpatty on Oct 30, 2017 11:44:31 GMT
So I am the only one who didn't realize he was gay? He has never come out one way or the other. For that I have always respected him. He needs to have some part of his life kept private. Everyone suspected he was although he has never formally said it until now. I'm not surprised after all these years. I applaud him for saying what he did. If he did it then he is at least owning up to it and dealing with what he has done. This doesn't take away any of the respect I have for him.
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Post by imsirius on Oct 30, 2017 11:48:16 GMT
Okay I looked up more info... "What is the sexual allegation made against Kevin Spacey by Anthony Rapp? Kevin has apologised for “drunken behaviour” after Anthony claimed he made a sexual advance towards him when he was 14-years-old. Anthony has accused Kevin of picking him up and lying on top of him at a party in 1986. In a statement posted to Twitter the US actor said he had no recollection of the incident adding that if it did happen he owed Anthony “the sincerest apology for what would have been deeply inappropriate drunken behaviour”. In an interview with Buzzfeed, Anthony accused the actor of picking him up, taking him to a bed and lying on top of him after other guests had left a party, hosted by Kevin. Anthony, who claims Kevin appeared drunk, said he pushed him away and left the party. Kevin, said he was “beyond horrified” to hear “Anthony’s story." Still wonder what kind of party it was to where a 14 yr old would have been!! A party where said child was trying to break into the biz and some agent or producer got him in. You should read Drew Barrymore's book. Omg, the stuff people did for her from age 10 was unbelievable. Letting her into bars and providing her drugs and alcohol. Giving into her every whim because she had a few successful movies! It was mind boggling that people would allow a TEN TEAR OLD to drink and be at parties etc. So so not surprising that all these allegations are now coming forth!
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Post by busy on Oct 30, 2017 11:53:34 GMT
So I am the only one who didn't realize he was gay? He has never come out one way or the other. For that I have always respected him. He needs to have some part of his life kept private. Everyone suspected he was although he has never formally said it until now. I'm not surprised after all these years. I applaud him for saying what he did. If he did it then he is at least owning up to it and dealing with what he has done. This doesn't take away any of the respect I have for him. He’s not owning up to anything. He says he doesn’t remember and if he did it, he must have been drunk. As if that’s an excuse. And he wouldn’t provide any comment for the article but released this statement as an effort to silence his accuser because this is clearly crafted to shift the “story” to his sexuality.
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Post by peppermintpatty on Oct 30, 2017 11:54:12 GMT
You know what I find really disgusting (well, besides the obvious) is that he chooses this moment to officially come out as a gay man. Let’s whistle past the pedo part and talk about me ‘cuz I’m gay as if we might overlook he is a disgusting pedophile. What a douche. Why is it anyone's business if he is gay or straight? He didn't have to say anything one way or the other. While I am NOT discounting those he may have affected with his actions (whatever they MAY or MAY NOT have been), there will be a lot of accusations thrown around for various actors who looked at someone or brushed up against someone and the other person will cry wolf and everyone's lives will be turned upside down for some sort of attention. I would really be shocked if no one on this board has never had their inhibitions lessened by alcohol and done something stupid or knows someone who has. I'm not saying those who commit these acts should go free, not at all.
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Post by peppermintpatty on Oct 30, 2017 11:58:36 GMT
He has never come out one way or the other. For that I have always respected him. He needs to have some part of his life kept private. Everyone suspected he was although he has never formally said it until now. I'm not surprised after all these years. I applaud him for saying what he did. If he did it then he is at least owning up to it and dealing with what he has done. This doesn't take away any of the respect I have for him. He’s not owning up to anything. He says he doesn’t remember and if he did it, he must have been drunk. As if that’s an excuse. And he wouldn’t provide any comment for the article but released this statement as an effort to silence his accuser because this is clearly crafted to shift the “story” to his sexuality. Of course he isn't. He is in the middle of an investigation and I'm sure has been told not to speak about the details. If he did what he is accused of then fine, let him deal with the consequences. Bring it on. If he didn't, he will be dragged through the mud like others who are not guilty of what they have been accused of. I'm not defending what he may or may not have done. I am simply saying that he is addressing the issue and I am giving him the benefit of the doubt. Until there is absolute proof that he did something completely maliciously and intentionally, without being under any influence, I reserve judgement.
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Post by busy on Oct 30, 2017 12:01:48 GMT
You know what I find really disgusting (well, besides the obvious) is that he chooses this moment to officially come out as a gay man. Let’s whistle past the pedo part and talk about me ‘cuz I’m gay as if we might overlook he is a disgusting pedophile. What a douche. Why is it anyone's business if he is gay or straight? He didn't have to say anything one way or the other. While I am NOT discounting those he may have affected with his actions (whatever they MAY or MAY NOT have been), there will be a lot of accusations thrown around for various actors who looked at someone or brushed up against someone and the other person will cry wolf and everyone's lives will be turned upside down for some sort of attention. I would really be shocked if no one on this board has never had their inhibitions lessened by alcohol and done something stupid or knows someone who has. I'm not saying those who commit these acts should go free, not at all. No matter how drunk I’ve ever been, I’ve never considered coming on to a 14 year old.
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Post by annabella on Oct 30, 2017 12:01:59 GMT
Did Kevin just come out of the closet? He makes it seem that it was something only his inner circle knew?
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Post by Skellinton on Oct 30, 2017 12:15:09 GMT
You know what I find really disgusting (well, besides the obvious) is that he chooses this moment to officially come out as a gay man. Let’s whistle past the pedo part and talk about me ‘cuz I’m gay as if we might overlook he is a disgusting pedophile. What a douche. Yes, yes, yes. His career is over, nonetheless. Really? Mel Gibson is still working. Polanski still gets accolades. Hell, Woody Allen is working. If Woody Allen can come back, I have doubt Kevin Spacey will lose a single job over this. I absolutely don't agree with his coming out at this time, but is this the only allegation? Do we have all the facts? Did he know the kid was 14? Obviously if this happened he was wrong, but I hate to see him tried and convicted over this allegation.
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Post by mom on Oct 30, 2017 12:16:28 GMT
He’s not owning up to anything. He says he doesn’t remember and if he did it, he must have been drunk. As if that’s an excuse. And he wouldn’t provide any comment for the article but released this statement as an effort to silence his accuser because this is clearly crafted to shift the “story” to his sexuality. Of course he isn't. He is in the middle of an investigation and I'm sure has been told not to speak about the details. If he did what he is accused of then fine, let him deal with the consequences. Bring it on. If he didn't, he will be dragged through the mud like others who are not guilty of what they have been accused of. I'm not defending what he may or may not have done. I am simply saying that he is addressing the issue and I am giving him the benefit of the doubt. Until there is absolute proof that he did something completely maliciously and intentionally, without being under any influence, I reserve judgement.Oh wow. I didn't realize being under the influence of something gave anyone permission to touch another person without their permission. SaveSave
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Post by busy on Oct 30, 2017 12:17:06 GMT
He’s not owning up to anything. He says he doesn’t remember and if he did it, he must have been drunk. As if that’s an excuse. And he wouldn’t provide any comment for the article but released this statement as an effort to silence his accuser because this is clearly crafted to shift the “story” to his sexuality. Of course he isn't. He is in the middle of an investigation and I'm sure has been told not to speak about the details. If he did what he is accused of then fine, let him deal with the consequences. Bring it on. If he didn't, he will be dragged through the mud like others who are not guilty of what they have been accused of. I'm not defending what he may or may not have done. I am simply saying that he is addressing the issue and I am giving him the benefit of the doubt. Until there is absolute proof that he did something completely maliciously and intentionally, without being under any influence, I reserve judgement. This is just a whole shit-ton of WOW to me.
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Post by kibblesandbits on Oct 30, 2017 12:17:09 GMT
Unless I'm reading all this wrong, it seems that Mr. Rapp has never addressed this issue with Spacey. So, what is the point exactly, except to do a public take down on Spacey.
Here's what I don't like about all this (other than the obvious abuse issues). This is a public flogging. It is. And with the "big" people is where it starts, and you can bet that this kind of behavior will filter down into the masses. So . . . that night that "you" did something really stupid 38 years ago will soon be revisited, and not in a private way. It will be all over FB, your local NextDoor list, and twitter. You'll be excoriated, denigrated, you'll lose your job, your kids will be shamed and your dog will turn on you.
This public lynch mob mentality is becoming dangerous. And before the local lynch mob here starts to take me down, I'm not in any way excusing Spacey's behavior. Nor does this have to do with Weinstein - who clearly used his power to intimidate, embarrass, and harass underlings.
Does public taking down of Spacey make Rapp feel any better? What is the goal here?
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Post by Skellinton on Oct 30, 2017 12:20:12 GMT
Why is it anyone's business if he is gay or straight? He didn't have to say anything one way or the other. While I am NOT discounting those he may have affected with his actions (whatever they MAY or MAY NOT have been), there will be a lot of accusations thrown around for various actors who looked at someone or brushed up against someone and the other person will cry wolf and everyone's lives will be turned upside down for some sort of attention. I would really be shocked if no one on this board has never had their inhibitions lessened by alcohol and done something stupid or knows someone who has. I'm not saying those who commit these acts should go free, not at all. No matter how drunk I’ve ever been, I’ve never considered coming on to a 14 year old. The kid may have not looked 14, he could even have lied about his age. I had friends that easily could have passed for 18 at that age. My brother used to get offered drinks at restaurants all the time when he was 14 and 15. It is unusual, but kids can pass for much older then they are. I doubt the kid wore a badge announcing his age.
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Post by busy on Oct 30, 2017 12:21:31 GMT
No matter how drunk I’ve ever been, I’ve never considered coming on to a 14 year old. The kid may have not looked 14, he could even have lied about his age. I had friends that easily could have passed for 18 at that age. My brother used to get offered drinks at restaurants all the time when he was 14 and 15. It is unusual, but kids can pass for much older then they are. I doubt the kid wore a badge announcing his age. Did you read the article? He looked younger than 14. He was a working actor on Broadway getting press for his performance - that’s how he was invited to the party. His age was known.
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Post by Skellinton on Oct 30, 2017 12:25:26 GMT
The kid may have not looked 14, he could even have lied about his age. I had friends that easily could have passed for 18 at that age. My brother used to get offered drinks at restaurants all the time when he was 14 and 15. It is unusual, but kids can pass for much older then they are. I doubt the kid wore a badge announcing his age. Did you read the article? He looked younger than 14. He was a working actor on Broadway getting press for his performance - that’s how he was invited to the party. His age was known. No, I did not. I stand corrected on that issue, but I still hate to see someone tried and convicted on one allegation.
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Post by epeanymous on Oct 30, 2017 12:32:21 GMT
He’s not owning up to anything. He says he doesn’t remember and if he did it, he must have been drunk. As if that’s an excuse. And he wouldn’t provide any comment for the article but released this statement as an effort to silence his accuser because this is clearly crafted to shift the “story” to his sexuality. Of course he isn't. He is in the middle of an investigation and I'm sure has been told not to speak about the details. If he did what he is accused of then fine, let him deal with the consequences. Bring it on. If he didn't, he will be dragged through the mud like others who are not guilty of what they have been accused of. I'm not defending what he may or may not have done. I am simply saying that he is addressing the issue and I am giving him the benefit of the doubt. Until there is absolute proof that he did something completely maliciously and intentionally, without being under any influence, I reserve judgement. If someone accused you of having assaulted a teenager, would your response be equivocal?
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Post by SweetieBsMom on Oct 30, 2017 12:45:00 GMT
You know what I find really disgusting (well, besides the obvious) is that he chooses this moment to officially come out as a gay man. Let’s whistle past the pedo part and talk about me ‘cuz I’m gay as if we might overlook he is a disgusting pedophile. What a douche.
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Post by missbennet on Oct 30, 2017 13:02:25 GMT
I am not going to condone any sort of advances on a minor. But i know, however wrong we retroactively view it, it was common for gay men to initiate young men. For a drunk Kevin to come into his bedroom and find this kid on his bed makes his advance understandable, if not in any way acceptable. Especially when still in the closet, I believe, sexual life was furtive, and “guilty” and not as straight forward as hopefully it is for most today. Ok? Of course not, the boy was 14. But in the very same article, he says his mother shouldn’t be judged because those “were different times”. So a measure of recognition of the difference in how things are understood now is maybe warranted. Now, if twenty boys come forward saying that Spacey threatened their careers, or drugged them, or did not accept their “no”, that would ratchet up the seriousness. As mention of the “rumors” about KS might bring out. Otherwise, as he says in his response, this whole thing caused by Weinstein is a great opportunity to talk about behaviors openly and clarify what is and isn’t ok, and what the consequences could be for perpetrators, because that’s the only way society changes. This sounds a lot like the ultra-conservative idea that gays are sexual deviants, and therefore we shouldn't be surprised that they assault children. They aren't and we should. No normal person of either persuasion who finds a child on their bed, drunk or otherwise, makes sexual advances and asks questions later: that's predatory behavior, and those people come in all flavors - straight, gay, priests, actors, etc. I agree that the Weinstein thing has opened the floodgates and people want to expose Hollywood's underbelly; some of them are old enough to no longer fear career-ending backlash when they tell us who groped or assaulted them when they were children. I would sort of agree that any one person's story will be strengthened by others coming forward with additional accusations, but I also think we are hesitant to believe it when a) we like the accused, and b) we start getting outrage fatigue at all the new stories about this happening. Hasn't it been known for decades that Hollywood exploits early career people and that power allows the worst people to escape discovery or consequences? Given all we know about predators and their victims and the stats on sexual misconduct, it's far more likely that it's worse than we think, not better. ETA and make no mistake, his sexual orientation is some House of Cards level distraction and dog wagging - Spacey knows exactly what he's doing with that shit admission now. He doesn't even deny or express horror at what he's accused of, which says it all. What a scumbag.
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Post by candygurl on Oct 30, 2017 13:12:51 GMT
I’m hoping it’s not true but hard to believe Rapp. What would he gain from lying. I never realized Spacey was gay. Interesting that right away he apologized. Wonder if he’s hoping if he does so quickly, it was all he swept under the rug.
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Post by auntkelly on Oct 30, 2017 14:30:56 GMT
Of course he isn't. He is in the middle of an investigation and I'm sure has been told not to speak about the details. If he did what he is accused of then fine, let him deal with the consequences. Bring it on. If he didn't, he will be dragged through the mud like others who are not guilty of what they have been accused of. I'm not defending what he may or may not have done. I am simply saying that he is addressing the issue and I am giving him the benefit of the doubt. Until there is absolute proof that he did something completely maliciously and intentionally, without being under any influence, I reserve judgement. If someone accused you of having assaulted a teenager, would your response be equivocal? I did a lot of drinking & partying in the 80s. However, I can say that if someone accused me of sexually assaulting a minor during that time I would be shouting my innonocence from the rooftops. Spacey’s response disgusts me. He’s basically saying to the victim “Sorry if I sexually assaulted you but you are so unimportant to me I don’t remember the incident you describe. It certainly could have happened, and if it did, you’ll have to give me a pass because I was drunk.”
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2017 14:47:35 GMT
You know what I find really disgusting (well, besides the obvious) is that he chooses this moment to officially come out as a gay man. Let’s whistle past the pedo part and talk about me ‘cuz I’m gay as if we might overlook he is a disgusting pedophile. What a douche. Why is it anyone's business if he is gay or straight? He didn't have to say anything one way or the other. While I am NOT discounting those he may have affected with his actions (whatever they MAY or MAY NOT have been), there will be a lot of accusations thrown around for various actors who looked at someone or brushed up against someone and the other person will cry wolf and everyone's lives will be turned upside down for some sort of attention. I would really be shocked if no one on this board has never had their inhibitions lessened by alcohol and done something stupid or knows someone who has. I'm not saying those who commit these acts should go free, not at all. I happen to agree with you in many ways. The context as to what happened in Kevin Spacey's case is, IMO not really comparable to Weinstein. I'm not defending what Stacey didbut I can put it in context. He did nothing more than " try it on" with someone. We don't even know whether he was aware of the fact that Rapp was underage. I bet millions of people have encountered that situation over the years. Are we now describing someone attempting to kiss someone or put their arm round someone's shoulder at the office party whilst drunk ,as a sexual assault? Was it wrong to try it on with someone much younger than himself ?- absolutely if he knew he was underage. Did he force himself on someone else...not so according to how Anthony Rapp described what happened. This, to me, was a misunderstanding between two young people, one being underage. We'll all be living like the Duggers with no contact with each other until we're married before long if we refer to everything as a sexual assault. I can't believe that people have lived such sheltered lives if they have never experience someone making an unwanted pass at them at some time or another at a party. Stacey wasn't " famous" or had much influence on anything at the time, he hadn't long been out of Drama school himself so there was no " hold" on the victim to comply with his advances. He made one pass at someone at a party and it wasn't reciprocated and he left it at that and he's now apologized. That is nothing at all compared to what Weinstein did or to what pedophiles do either, generally. Pedo's purposely seek out children for their own gratification.I don't happen to think this was the case for Stacey at the time.
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Post by LeaP on Oct 30, 2017 14:54:44 GMT
I don’t care if he’s gay or not. Sexual contact between an adult and a 14 year old is wrong, regardless of orientation. Period. Straight, gay, bi or whatever, children are off limits. SaveSave
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