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Post by hop2 on Nov 1, 2017 1:52:50 GMT
I B’nai Mitzvah’d 2 kids and I made a list, DH made a list, and the child made a list. (And the other child got to invite ONE of thier friends to their siblings party ) The inlaws were only consulted if we didn’t have an address for people WE wanted to invite. My parents were deceased by then but I still invited my entire extended family and cousins I hadn’t seen in years. I had to dig a bit for contact info without my parents to help but the people invited are my relatives too.
Honestly I’m not sure why they have any say at all. I’m sort of baffled by the fact that grandparents are making invite lists to a kids party at all. your parents relatives are also your relatives and his parents relatives are also his relatives, you invite who you want if you don’t know funny great uncle bobs new address then you ask that info. I guess your a nicer daughter in law than I am.
What does your DH say about all of it?
And yes, they took off names of people you know because they expect you to add them to your list and invite them anyway.
I’m feeling really sorry for you right now because they really sound kind of mean and your DD’s Bat mitzvah should be a joyous time and your description of thier behavior hints of more stress to come!! If someone doesn’t reign them in, your joyous time is going to be one stress after another after another!!!
Hugs
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Post by JustKim on Nov 1, 2017 2:24:03 GMT
well, because I am in a mood already, here is what I would do. I would exclude that whole side of the family. If they can't play nice then they don't get to play
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Post by hop2 on Nov 1, 2017 2:28:20 GMT
I am going to shock folks and generally agree. That said, you are oversimplifying the problem. The ILs are clearly old school. They care about appearances. For them, this event isn't just for the OP's dd; it's a reflection of then and the family's standing in the wider community. On some level, the desire of the OP & her dh re: limiting the size of the party is an embarrassment to them. That is why they're cutting the folks the OP knows. It isn't to be passive aggressive. They're cutting the folks who understand the culture enough to cut them slack because they get these 'folks the OP doesn't even know' are the status conscious ones who will damage the family's reputation if they aren't given the invite they are 'owed' because these things are about social quid pro quo. These folks they are keeping are the ones to whom they see themselves as socially indebted to, or with whom they will lose face if they're snubbed. Truly, as much as it pains me and you will hate heating it, I'd take a day or two and calm down. Then ask why xyz are the list. If it is that important to them, I'd have the bigger party - IF they financially contribute, including finding and paying for a larger venue should that be necessary to meet what they deem as the family's social responsibilities. My parents had to do this for my brother's wedding. They knew I'd never marry, and he'd never have his kids christened, so his wedding was the last chance mom would have to balance any social debts our extended family had. She started 50ish over and then in discussing it with her sister got it down about 25 over - kept only the ones my late grandma would need there. The criteria was 'Would omitting this person cause our mother to roll over in her grave/haunt us forever.' As hard as it is too understand, YOU have hurt them. They are in their own way trying to look out for your family's reputation and it hurts them that you don't seem to care. As far as they're concerned, it matters how this wider community views them, you, and your kids, and you not getting that and sharing that concern is both hurtful & offensive to them on sone level. In their minds they're shielding you from being the subject of gossip & you're being ungrateful. I'm not saying it's right. I'm saying that's how it likely is. That’s the weirdest thing I’ve heard on a family party thread ( well 2nd yonthe bed bug/drunk family party beetle juiced the relatives thread ) Unless the inlaws, the OP, and the people the inlaws want to invite all live near each other then ‘what wider community’ That’s just really bizarre. If all these people could ‘damage’ the OP’s family’s reputation then they would have to know of them in some way. I mean even if you mean the wider jewish community, then the OP would at least have to know ‘of’ these people for it to be damaging to them. People the OP doesn’t know, know of, or have interaction with, have no logical right to damage her families reputation over a party invite. ( actually no one does really ) And any ‘community’ where that kind of thing is true isn’t worth being a part of. ITS A CHILDS PARTY that’s all. There are no obligations. No need to make it a bigger deal than that.
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Post by MissBianca on Nov 1, 2017 2:44:00 GMT
My 2 cents. 1) scrub the list all together 2) pick a number - example 150 3) your daughter picks first - she picks 50 4) mom and dad pick second - you pick 75 5) the grandparents pick the rest - if it’s one set they get 25, if it’s two set of grandparents they each get 12 and the 1 left over you figure out later.
You are in charge of gathering the addresses and mailing the invites. If the grandparents aren’t good with that then rescind their invite. And you just gained 25 more spots to divide amongst you and your daughter. You need to draw a hard line in the sand and your husband needs to stand at the line with you and not behind you hiding in your skirts. I speak from personal experience, my MIL was the queen of passive aggressive bullshit. My husband for the most part ignored her or caved to get her to shut up. I did not, for a long while I was mean but I had to be to get her to knock it off. Lots of lathering, rinsing and repeating. Ironically at the end of her life I was her main caregiver, we were very close but we had an understanding that I would not put up with her crap. I also have a father that didn’t give 2 shits what I did or didn’t do as a kid and teen, unless it made him look bad. Your IL’s sound like my dad. Again, I live my life as I see fit and I don’t care what we look like to his friends and family. They are all pretentious snobs anyway so why would I jump through hoops to please him and them.
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Post by artsydaisy on Nov 1, 2017 4:44:51 GMT
I agree with everyone about the your party, your invites BUT I am wondering if your in-laws will push boundaries even farther and actually invite people without having a formal invitation for them. Is that possible? Only you know that, OP. I'm imagining they have been talking proudly about their grandchild's bat mitzvah for a while among their friends, and they have invited absolutely everyone they know informally. So from this outsider's point of view it seems like they might overstep and actually invite people even after you've culled the guest list. Just something to keep in mind. My in-laws are also very inconsiderate/rude, so you have my sympathies. Hope you have a wonderful celebration!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 4:50:02 GMT
hop2Unfortunately she is correct. Older Italians, Greeks and Jews have an unwritten code of social rules. And one is inviting the mailman's 3rd cousin because the mailman has been delivering mail for 6 weeks. And having more food than a 1,000 people could eat. It is the stuff that holds families and friends together for centuries. And helps get uncle Joey out of jail at midnight on Saturday night. Personally I would have cake and punch afterward and then have the big party later.
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Post by AngieandSnoopy on Nov 1, 2017 6:36:03 GMT
I agree with everyone about the your party, your invites BUT I am wondering if your in-laws will push boundaries even farther and actually invite people without having a formal invitation for them. Is that possible? Only you know that, OP. I'm imagining they have been talking proudly about their grandchild's bat mitzvah for a while among their friends, and they have invited absolutely everyone they know informally. So from this outsider's point of view it seems like they might overstep and actually invite people even after you've culled the guest list. Just something to keep in mind. My in-laws are also very inconsiderate/rude, so you have my sympathies. Hope you have a wonderful celebration! I started reading this BEFORE I went to work, when I came home for my meal break and when I got home from work a while ago. And yes, finally on the last page artsydaisy voiced the first thought I had about this. Your in-laws sound like the type that will do whatever they have to do to get who they want there, to heck with what you want. It might be possible that they will send out their own invitations. I'd just be aware that many uninvited by YOU may just crash the party. Oh and have your DD add BACK everyone SHE wants on the list. I don't know what you can do other than IF it works for this party, to have a seating plan and place cards. Maybe it would keep your in-laws from inviting people IF you tell them that if someone is NOT on YOUR list, that they will be shown the door! I don't know what you are going to do if they invite an extra 50 or 100 people that you don't have room or food for...
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Post by 50offscrapper on Nov 1, 2017 7:44:09 GMT
Interesting inputs and I actually see both sides of this. It was definitely a communication problem. The first issue arose when you asked them for a unspecified number of guests they would like to invite.
You can assert your rights all you want, but the problem just gets worse.
How about saying, “ ML, I want to talk to you about the guest list. First off all, I am so sorry that I wasn’t clear on how many people you could invite. I can see how it can be frustrating to be asked for a list only to have it reduced after the fact. Am I understanding that correctly?”
Stop. Pause. Listen.
Afterwards, say, “I am so sorry about that. I should have been clearer about it.” Then you can explain why the list needs to be cut. But not before you acknowledge that you heard them and understood what they were saying.
Acknowledge their feelings. You don’t have to agree with their feeling.
People just want to be heard. The outcome can be the same. You cut their list but they feel heard.
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Post by christine58 on Nov 1, 2017 11:28:58 GMT
paigepea So what have you and DH decided to do about this total disrespect of both of you>
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Post by pelirroja on Nov 1, 2017 11:47:42 GMT
My DD works for a caterer and this issue comes up often. Some families throw a huge cookie/cake/appetizer/punch reception after the event. Then after most of the crowd has left or gone home, there is the "real" party in another location nearby. It happens relatively often: the mitzvah family says they are leaving to take photographs, guests can leave the punch party at their leisure, and then they (the preferred guests, if you will) reassemble somewhere else an hour or two later. Yes, it's a pricey solution but it saves on having 450 guests that you find yourself muttering "Who is this and how do we know them?".
Personally, I would have told them the amount of guests they could invite before I gave them any other details of the party. Keep quiet and only give them info on a need-to-know last-minute basis or you're going to have to figure out how to politely remove crashers from your events. Consider this good practice for when you will be throwing more celebrations: draw the boundaries now because in the next dozen years you will be dealing with college graduations, engagements, weddings and baby showers. This event is your training ground. Good luck!
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Post by Nanner on Nov 1, 2017 11:57:38 GMT
I am sorry they are ruining the party for you. Go back and take out the people off the list that you don't even know. Put back on the list the relatives you do know. You are already the bad guy so it doesn't matter. Trim the list until you have the number of people you can afford. That's exactly what I'd do. What a couple of jerks!
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Post by Country Ham on Nov 1, 2017 12:39:36 GMT
Dh didn’t give a number. He asked them to be mindful of dd and that fact that it was our party. When the list came back crazy he asked them to downscale. We expected 25 guests on the high end. Next time around they’ll have a number. So it's really an example of a lesson learned here. They were given permission to invite friends, obviously no conversation or number of invites assigned but just a be "mindful" which means a lot of different things to people. I hope it works out with out a lot of hurt feelings.
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Post by pondrunner on Nov 1, 2017 12:42:09 GMT
Until you get lucky & you reach a generation where the cycle can be broken, truthfully. The OP has a great a chance to break it when her daughter is an adult; it's too late to change it with the grandparents' generation though. I know you all think I'm crazy and/or exaggerating. I promise you, I'm not. If you've never lived it, you will NEVER understand. To the in-laws friends, the in-laws are the heads of the family. Paigepea & her dh will always be subordinate, as long as they're alive. They truly will hurt the inlaws if they don't back down & just do the party the way they want. Heck, I'm surprised the MIL didn't take the initiative to start planning the party to begin with... just the fact that it was the OP saying to them, give us your list of X number of people, as opposed to the other way around, is progress! I'm serious. I have had cultural peers/acquaintances (meaning - these aren't my friends, they're just people I know from the same culture) unable to invite their close friends to their weddings, etc, because of all the people they had to invite to meet their parent's/the extended family's social obligations. As in, "If you only want 200 people at your wedding, give me your list of 50.' The two sets of parents split the remaining 150. And letting the couple in question choose the total number of guests is, in itself, being generous in some extremes. My family isn't wealthy/high status enough to have gone that far, though. But they have connections with people who are at that level... like, in my culture, 250 guests is considered a small wedding. Under 100? We call that a 'private ceremony.' Yep. I broke the cycle. I moved away to another country. Boom. The come to the important ceremonies/milestones. Their friends, for obvious reasons, do not. They even wanted to celebrate twice (one in each country) so “everyone” could be there. Um, nope. Not happening. I’m all for a wedding reception and understand that, but two first communions, two birthday parties, two graduations? Nope. We did that too. We did some things that you just don't do, we broke a lot of family traditions and disappointed a lot of people. I decided years ago to stop doin things because people told me to and to start doing them because they are correct for my life. Now when we have family milestone parties we invite as many as can, we try to be generous with our parties, but there are times we do things more closely because that is what we need to do as a family. I feel like some of these expectations like the new mailman's 3rd cousin come from a good place where people are important and community matters, but the pressure of that can be significant. I want people to be there for us because it's a joy, not a demand.
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Post by anniebygaslight on Nov 1, 2017 12:51:58 GMT
If you are footing the bill, then you get to call the shots.
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Nov 1, 2017 13:02:55 GMT
Dh made a big mistake at the start but giving them a number. He thought let them make a list and then we choose from it. It didn’t go that way. I'm really not on the side of your in-laws. But I do believe you are all being very poor communicators. That is a pretty substantial mistake. If you said make a list of 30 people or 80 or whatever without letting them know that you weren't actually going to be inviting them, but choosing off the list, you should step back and apologize for the misunderstanding. I agree with you that when someone give you a number - that's pretty spanking clear - so I can understand why the ILs were confused. In all fairness, the OP & her husband INVITED the in-laws to participate/have a significant role in the party planning with an open ended request for names to add to the guest list. It seems disingenuous to now complain about the number of people the in-laws submitted, especially since the OP admittedly has a history of conflict/complaints about the in-laws & should have clearly communicated parameters to avoid this result. Dh didn’t give a number. He asked them to be mindful of dd and that fact that it was our party. When the list came back crazy he asked them to downscale. We expected 25 guests on the high end. Next time around they’ll have a number. It was definitely a communication problem. The first issue arose when you asked them for a unspecified number of guests they would like to invite. Communication. Communication. Communication. It seems to be at the root of so many family dramas on here.
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Post by Susie_Homemaker on Nov 1, 2017 14:33:16 GMT
We talked about he purpose of the party and who is throwing it and who should be there. They didn’t care. so they're being selfish a$$holes. It's not their party, they don't give a poo about you, your DH and your DDs feelings about the whole thing. They want what they want and they plan on getting it even if they have to stomp their foot and give you a pouty face about it. With family that treats you with so little regard, why do you care what they think/feel about any of it??
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Post by scrapaddie on Nov 1, 2017 16:23:04 GMT
Are your I laws paying for the party. Why do they have the right to invite anyone. The last person to cut their list should be your dd. This is HER event!
I am not Jewish, so maybe I don't understand all the ins and outs, but my dd. Went to quite a few bat and bar mitzvahs.....the parties were quite elaborate... But were good times for the kids.
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Post by flute4peace on Nov 1, 2017 17:13:12 GMT
This!!! Thank you! If you really want to solve the issue paigepea , you & dh will have to talk to them again. And you need to stop making the conversation a back and forth about party size... "We want a small party!" "We want a big party!" That is just taking positions. You will need to start asking open questions to truly understand what the real meaning of the party is to them & figure out how to find common ground. Like it or not, they are likely feeling disrespected. They could well see your dh's reaction as him 'forgetting where he came from.' When you have those kinds of broader conversations about the meaning of things, then you can come to solutions. I'll give two examples: When my brother & SIL understood WHY my mom wanted to invite X number of people they had never met, they were able to have a different conversation. They were then able to say, 'Ok... we trust you. We just ask that you respect the size of the venue - we aren't changing that, that you use discernment & good judgement to only choose those 'community elders' who would most matter to Nana, and that you contribute for those extra guests.' Second example - and I've brought this example up before as a quintessential example about how often we as people aren't always arguing about what we think we're arguing about: My parents went away one summer. My bro was 18ish; I was 29ish. He drove my dad's truck a lot. That was fine. I was used to him driving the truck. But one day out of the blue he says, 'Oh, I'm going over to Vancouver with my friend R to watch wrestling.' Silly me says, 'Cool. How are you getting there?' He's all like, "Well duh, I'm taking dad's truck." To which I say, "Like hell you are. Nobody said anything to me about you being allowed to drive dad's truck on the ferry/on the mainland (we live on Vancouver Island). We do about 15 minutes of back & forth shouting no you aren't / yes I am unproductive arguing. Finally we somehow call time. I go to class the next day & we are talking about interest based conflict resolution. I'm finally able to calm the bleep down (we practiced this particular argument in class) and figure out how to talk to him about it. Once we did that, we were able to get down to what really mattered. He didn't want to lose face. I was scared because if he got stuck, I'd be too far away to help him. And also that if something happened to the truck my parents would kill me, especially because I still didn't quite believe he had permission to drive it on the mainland. His godmother/our honorary aunt was willing to be in the position of 'If your parents get mad, I'll tell your parents I overruled you & let J. take the truck.' J took the cell phone & called me 2-3 times that day to check in. I let him make fun of me re: his friend... "Yeah, my crazy sister..." so it wasn't that he was a baby who couldn't go to Vancouver for the day on his own, it was his neurotic, control freak sister who was the issue. He got home safe & sound and I think it's the last time we've ever argued that intensely because we learned to stop & get beyond the surface of the argument to what the argument's really about. Talk to them again, paigepea . Ask them what this party means to them. What do they need? What are their hopes? Their fears? What is the deeper meaning of this event to them? What is it to you? Where do your core needs overlap & how do you work together to get those met? Stop debating minutiae about numbers & names. ETA: as an aside, he actually DID ask my parents about taking the truck to the wrestling match prior to them leaving, & my mother apologized, because she forgot to tell me about it. It was just SO odd to me that they'd tell him, 'Sure, take the truck' and not mention it to me, & she totally understood why I thought he might be trying to pull one over on me. No , we didn’t just talk about numbers. We talked about he purpose of the party and who is throwing it and who should be there. They didn’t care. They feel like any who isn’t invited will hate them forever. We explained that we get that and included many people who we don’t know just to make them feel better about everything. And then they added more and more and more and I explained that we didn’t feel comfortable with people we don’t know. The room is big enough for everyone. It isn’t about the money. We didn’t want a party that was too large. Our daughter voiced concern about the size and about people she doesn’t know at all (or that her parents don’t know). This was not enough. They still pushed. And then did the passive aggressive than take off everyone. They need better friends. I'm sorry you're having to deal with this, what a damper on what should be a joyous event.
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Post by paigepea on Nov 1, 2017 17:19:03 GMT
paigepea So what have you and DH decided to do about this total disrespect of both of you> When I was here I was venting because I’d had to deal with it. I had already spoken my mind and made them reduce. But I know they’ll now hold this against me forever. I was damned if I did and damned if I didn’t. I spoke my mind but it was a no win situation. They didn’t see it my way. In their eyes I was hurting and disrespecting them.
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Post by paigepea on Nov 1, 2017 17:20:53 GMT
Dh didn’t give a number. He asked them to be mindful of dd and that fact that it was our party. When the list came back crazy he asked them to downscale. We expected 25 guests on the high end. Next time around they’ll have a number. So it's really an example of a lesson learned here. They were given permission to invite friends, obviously no conversation or number of invites assigned but just a be "mindful" which means a lot of different things to people. I hope it works out with out a lot of hurt feelings. Yes, a lesson learned. I think he said don’t go crazy to his parents and explained that we’d only invite who we wanted / had room for. Apparently his parents didn’t hear that part (said it sarcastic tone) because when it came down to it they wanted control.
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Post by paigepea on Nov 1, 2017 17:22:54 GMT
We talked about he purpose of the party and who is throwing it and who should be there. They didn’t care. so they're being selfish a$$holes. It's not their party, they don't give a poo about you, your DH and your DDs feelings about the whole thing. They want what they want and they plan on getting it even if they have to stomp their foot and give you a pouty face about it. With family that treats you with so little regard, why do you care what they think/feel about any of it?? Well, trying to keep peace is always better. Especially for dh’s sake. He knows they acted poorly but no one wants a falling out forever. So I have to care because of dh. He’d be miserable if it led to something worse, even if he was treated poorly. He won’t forget it though.
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Post by quiltz on Nov 1, 2017 17:24:30 GMT
When I was here I was venting because I’d had to deal with it. I had already spoken my mind and made them reduce. But I know they’ll now hold this against me forever. I was damned if I did and damned if I didn’t. I spoke my mind but it was a no win situation. They didn’t see it my way. In their eyes I was hurting and disrespecting them. Good for you, for making a decision that was the best for your "own" family. Hopefully there will be a significant birthday or anniversary that your inlaws can throw a big party for themselves and all those people that they want to invite. Remember, this is for your daughter. Your peers are thanking you internally, even if they don't say anything to you. You go Girl!
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Post by maryland on Nov 1, 2017 18:18:51 GMT
That's frustrating! I only read the first post so if I am missing information, that's why. It sounds like you were being very fair asking your parents to cut back too. And it looks like 25 for the grandparents to invite sounds very accommodating. I know some women that totally leave out husbands family and do whatever their family wants, but you are being overly fair to both sides. It's their problem, not yours. If they cut theirs back, I would let your daughter take their 25 invites and invite more friends.
I hope you end up having a great party! All that matters is your daughter, yours and your husbands input.
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Post by cycworker on Nov 1, 2017 18:41:42 GMT
I am going to shock folks and generally agree. That said, you are oversimplifying the problem. The ILs are clearly old school. They care about appearances. For them, this event isn't just for the OP's dd; it's a reflection of then and the family's standing in the wider community. On some level, the desire of the OP & her dh re: limiting the size of the party is an embarrassment to them. That is why they're cutting the folks the OP knows. It isn't to be passive aggressive. They're cutting the folks who understand the culture enough to cut them slack because they get these 'folks the OP doesn't even know' are the status conscious ones who will damage the family's reputation if they aren't given the invite they are 'owed' because these things are about social quid pro quo. These folks they are keeping are the ones to whom they see themselves as socially indebted to, or with whom they will lose face if they're snubbed. Truly, as much as it pains me and you will hate heating it, I'd take a day or two and calm down. Then ask why xyz are the list. If it is that important to them, I'd have the bigger party - IF they financially contribute, including finding and paying for a larger venue should that be necessary to meet what they deem as the family's social responsibilities. My parents had to do this for my brother's wedding. They knew I'd never marry, and he'd never have his kids christened, so his wedding was the last chance mom would have to balance any social debts our extended family had. She started 50ish over and then in discussing it with her sister got it down about 25 over - kept only the ones my late grandma would need there. The criteria was 'Would omitting this person cause our mother to roll over in her grave/haunt us forever.' As hard as it is too understand, YOU have hurt them. They are in their own way trying to look out for your family's reputation and it hurts them that you don't seem to care. As far as they're concerned, it matters how this wider community views them, you, and your kids, and you not getting that and sharing that concern is both hurtful & offensive to them on sone level. In their minds they're shielding you from being the subject of gossip & you're being ungrateful. I'm not saying it's right. I'm saying that's how it likely is. That’s the weirdest thing I’ve heard on a family party thread ( well 2nd yonthe bed bug/drunk family party beetle juiced the relatives thread ) Unless the inlaws, the OP, and the people the inlaws want to invite all live near each other then ‘what wider community’ That’s just really bizarre. If all these people could ‘damage’ the OP’s family’s reputation then they would have to know of them in some way. I mean even if you mean the wider jewish community, then the OP would at least have to know ‘of’ these people for it to be damaging to them. People the OP doesn’t know, know of, or have interaction with, have no logical right to damage her families reputation over a party invite. ( actually no one does really ) And any ‘community’ where that kind of thing is true isn’t worth being a part of. ITS A CHILDS PARTY that’s all. There are no obligations. No need to make it a bigger deal than that. Please don't shoot the messenger, though. Because again, I'm not saying I embrace it or even like it anymore (I admit, I went through a serious 'traditionalist' phase, especially after my grandmother died). My parents have been pretty good about learning to take what works & ignore the rest. And once my parents & the folks their age/in that generation are gone, the generations that haven't been "Canadianized" will be gone, too. So it'll stop. The wider group in my context refers to being in a minority culture in a wider community. For example, Little Italy or Chinatown in Vancouver or Toronto. Or it could be folks connected by faith, like the Dutch Calvinists in the town where I live (those are pretty much splintered now). Or 'old money' folks. Those are all social groups that have their own cultures and their own norms & rules that need to be followed if you wish to stay continue to be accepted. My parents essentially walked away from it back during the war where Croatia separated from the former Yugoslavia, because of things that were said re: Serbians (my mom is part Serbian) & things finally clicked for my father.
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Post by Country Ham on Nov 1, 2017 19:36:29 GMT
So it's really an example of a lesson learned here. They were given permission to invite friends, obviously no conversation or number of invites assigned but just a be "mindful" which means a lot of different things to people. I hope it works out with out a lot of hurt feelings. Yes, a lesson learned. I think he said don’t go crazy to his parents and explained that we’d only invite who we wanted / had room for. Apparently his parents didn’t hear that part (said it sarcastic tone) because when it came down to it they wanted control. Do you mind my asking why you and your husband asked them for names in the first place? You had to have known on some level this could happen.
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Post by bigbundt on Nov 2, 2017 1:00:15 GMT
When I was here I was venting because I’d had to deal with it. I had already spoken my mind and made them reduce. But I know they’ll now hold this against me forever. I was damned if I did and damned if I didn’t. I spoke my mind but it was a no win situation. They didn’t see it my way. In their eyes I was hurting and disrespecting them. So? They do not care they are hurting and disrespecting you, their son, and your daughter. Manipulative people always dislike those they cannot manipulate.
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paigepea
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Post by paigepea on Nov 2, 2017 14:05:27 GMT
Yes, a lesson learned. I think he said don’t go crazy to his parents and explained that we’d only invite who we wanted / had room for. Apparently his parents didn’t hear that part (said it sarcastic tone) because when it came down to it they wanted control. Do you mind my asking why you and your husband asked them for names in the first place? You had to have known on some level this could happen. It wasn’t my idea. It was dh’s. I didn’t support it. He wasn’t thinking ahead.
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georgiapea
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Post by georgiapea on Nov 2, 2017 17:49:12 GMT
If your in-laws have social obligations to repay they need to throw their own shindig. They are trying to weasel out of their party obligations by riding the coat tails of your dtr's bat mitzvah and getting you to pay for it.
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Post by lucyg on Nov 2, 2017 21:29:24 GMT
Well, I came to this thread late. Glad to hear you aren't letting these people run completely roughshod over you. You can't control whether they like you, respect you, or are nice to you, but you don't have to spend your life trying to please them, either. Of course you don't have to invite their friends when they've disregarded your instructions over and over again. You were being nice to offer in the first place, and if they can't play nice and work with you on it, then CUT. While I think cycworker has some good points to make about how cultural groups react to these things, I don't think you or anyone has to cater to that nonsense. It's okay to nicely say no and then it's on them to be gracious, like it or not. For the record, I had no issues with my Jewish family when I got married, but did have some with my Mexican-American in-laws. I gave a little, they gave a little, everyone was happy ... or at least everyone was polite about it. I also want to say, in regards to all the people ragging on your DH for making you talk to his mother ... life isn't always that cut and dried. Sometimes the wife can deal better with the MIL than her own son can. If so, then carry on. At the very least, someone has to be able to deal with a pushy MIL and if the DH can't do it (yes, yes, of course he should, but let's be real), then the DIL damn well better be able to. I wish the peas would stop giving the same cookie-cutter advice in every situation.
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cycworker
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Post by cycworker on Nov 2, 2017 22:27:09 GMT
Well, I came to this thread late. Glad to hear you aren't letting these people run completely roughshod over you. You can't control whether they like you, respect you, or are nice to you, but you don't have to spend your life trying to please them, either. Of course you don't have to invite their friends when they've disregarded your instructions over and over again. You were being nice to offer in the first place, and if they can't play nice and work with you on it, then CUT. While I think cycworker has some good points to make about how cultural groups react to these things, I don't think you or anyone has to cater to that nonsense. It's okay to nicely say no and then it's on them to be gracious, like it or not. For the record, I had no issues with my Jewish family when I got married, but did have some with my Mexican-American in-laws. I gave a little, they gave a little, everyone was happy ... or at least everyone was polite about it. I also want to say, in regards to all the people ragging on your DH for making you talk to his mother ... life isn't always that cut and dried. Sometimes the wife can deal better with the MIL than her own son can. If so, then carry on. At the very least, someone has to be able to deal with a pushy MIL and if the DH can't do it (yes, yes, of course he should, but let's be real), then the DIL damn well better be able to. I wish the peas would stop giving the same cookie-cutter advice in every situation. Well said, lucygI think in retrospect the problem is there was a breakdown in communication. The in laws had started talking to people about the event, or somehow people have heard it's coming, and they are expecting an invitation. That's what happened with my brother's wedding. The engagement news wasn't controlled well enough, so my mom got stuck. She explained the situation to my bro & sil & they said, essentially, "We don't love the idea of that many people at our wedding, we get the problem." You don't have to like what the in laws or saying, or even agree with them. A little understanding would get a person far, though.
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