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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 1, 2017 1:58:24 GMT
Manafort has 3 passports, traveled to China with phone registered under fake name
By Katelyn Polantz, CNN Updated 9:19 PM ET, Tue October 31, 2017 Washington (CNN)How rich are Paul Manafort and Rick Gates, and where did they travel? That question lingered over the pair's court hearing on Monday after both faced the first indictments from Justice Department special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 presidential election. Because both men appeared to be globe-trotting multi-millionaires and faced charges for serious crimes related to their work abroad, the government said they should be held under house arrest. A judge agreed Monday. A new court filing Tuesday showed exactly what Manafort and Gates told banks and investigators about their net worths and travel histories over the past few years. Among the highlights: * Manafort currently has three US passports, each under a different number. He has submitted 10 passport applications in roughly as many years, prosecutors said.* This year, Manafort traveled to Mexico, China and Ecuador with a phone and email account registered under a fake name. (The name was not disclosed in the filings.) * Over the past year, Manafort traveled to Dubai, Cancun, Panama City, Havana, Shanghai, Madrid, Tokyo and Grand Cayman Island. * Both Manafort and Gates were frequent travelers to Cyprus. "Extensive travel of this nature further evidences a risk of flight," the prosecutor's filing said. * Manafort wrote on loan applications and other financial documents that his assets were worth between $19 million in April 2012 and $136 million in May 2016. * In some months, like while he served as Trump's national campaign chairman in August 2016, Manafort's assessment of his total worth fluctuated. In August 2016 he said his assets were worth $28 million, then wrote he had $63 million in assets on a different application. * Gates "frequently changed banks and opened and closed bank accounts," prosecutors said. In all, Gates opened 55 accounts with 13 financial institutions, the prosecutors' court filing said. Some of his bank accounts were in England and Cyprus, where he held more than $10 million from 2010 to 2013. Manafort's and Gates' attorneys have asked the judge to release them from house arrest. Currently, Manafort and Gates' house arrest conditions mean they can only leave their homes to meet with lawyers or appear in court, or for medical and religious reasons, and they must check in with authorities daily. Their next court appearance is scheduled for Thursday afternoon. They face sentences of more than 10 years if convicted on all charges. Both say they're not guilty. www.cnn.com/2017/10/31/politics/manafort-3-passports/index.htmlHow many more passports and they have $$$$$$$$$ all over the world.... They should be in jail!
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Post by eleezybeth on Nov 1, 2017 2:04:19 GMT
How does that happen? I thought passports were better controlled than that. I guess you say they are lost?
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Post by amom23 on Nov 1, 2017 2:11:00 GMT
This is all just crazy. Like out of a Hollywood spy movie crazy.
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Post by Merge on Nov 1, 2017 2:14:03 GMT
They can't go to jail. They are rich white men. Jail is for those other people. Or, you know, for women whose politics they don't like.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 1, 2017 2:15:52 GMT
Different article, more info....... Manafort and Gates Pose ‘Serious Risk of Flight,’ Says Muellerby KEN DILANIAN ************* WASHINGTON — Former Trump campaign aides Paul Manafort and Rick Gates posed a "serious risk of flight" because of their wealth and connections abroad, special counsel Robert Mueller argued in newly filed court papers. ********** In emphasizing the strength of the case against the two men, Mueller's office noted that a federal judge had allowed Mueller to compel grand jury testimony from their former lawyer under what is known as the "crime-fraud exception" to attorney-client privilege.
The lawyer, who is not named in the document, initially made representations to the Justice Department about the pair's work for a Ukrainian political party that the government proved to the judge were false, the filing said. The judge's ruling compelled her to explain to the grand jury where she got the false information. The details are blacked out in the document.************* www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/manafort-gates-pose-serious-risk-flight-says-mueller-n816246
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Post by 16joy on Nov 1, 2017 2:17:42 GMT
I think manafort is going to jail for money he hid. it seems the money trail always gets them. Uncle Sam gets his tax dollars in the end.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 1, 2017 2:21:12 GMT
dt is saying that we need more vetting of immigrants. How about better vetting of the people he hires to work for US!! And those who have access to classified info......
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Post by freecharlie on Nov 1, 2017 2:24:41 GMT
How do you catch a Mob Boss? Tax evasion. How are we going to get rich white guys? Tax evasion, but they do wont spend as much time in jail.
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Post by papersilly on Nov 1, 2017 2:26:33 GMT
In light of what they are faced with in potential punishment, I bet they are singing like birds.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Nov 1, 2017 2:43:17 GMT
They can't go to jail. They are rich white men. Jail is for those other people. And whatever happens to Paul Manafort, Sara Huckleberry Sanders will say something like, "The President didn't know, he thought Manafort was a good guy." and the Trumpists will say "well, but that's Paul Manafort, that's not Donald Trump!" or "Oh, come on now- Donald Trump isn't the company he keeps!! Donald Trump is still as pure as the driven snow." ![](http://i1168.photobucket.com/albums/r481/2peasrefugees/Smilies/handovereyes.gif) ![](http://i1168.photobucket.com/albums/r481/2peasrefugees/Smilies/sick.jpg.gif)
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Post by LeaP on Nov 1, 2017 2:56:03 GMT
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Nov 1, 2017 3:43:04 GMT
Manafort has 3 passports, traveled to China with phone registered under fake name someone who does things like this is TOTALLY innocent, amIright?
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 1, 2017 3:49:00 GMT
Manafort has 3 passports, traveled to China with phone registered under fake name someone who does things like this is TOTALLY innocent, amIright? You betcha! Right as rain!
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Post by bc2ca on Nov 1, 2017 4:20:59 GMT
How does that happen? I thought passports were better controlled than that. I guess you say they are lost? Reporting a passport as lost would make that passport unusable. He could get a replacement, but the original would be no good. The only way to get multiple passports in his name is to fraudulently apply multiple times. If he is signing the forms saying he hasn't been issued a passport in the last 15 (IIRC) years and has the supporting documentation, I don't think the passport office would be triggered to give the application a second look.
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Post by tracylynn on Nov 1, 2017 5:06:02 GMT
BUT HER EMAILS!!!!! ![](http://i1168.photobucket.com/albums/r481/2peasrefugees/Smilies/rolleyes.jpg.gif)
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Post by flanz on Nov 1, 2017 6:36:30 GMT
WOW!
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Post by loveslabradors on Nov 1, 2017 10:40:08 GMT
WOW. My favorite-"My dad is a psycho!!! At least trump let his wives leave him." Sounds like even his immediate family won't be too sad to see him end up in prison.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 11:20:15 GMT
dt is saying that we need more vetting of immigrants. How about better vetting of the people he hires to work for US!! And those who have access to classified info...... 8 people dead One survivor had amputations One survivor may not walk again Terrorist was here on some bullshit diversity visa
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Post by gar on Nov 1, 2017 11:46:57 GMT
dt is saying that we need more vetting of immigrants. How about better vetting of the people he hires to work for US!! And those who have access to classified info...... 8 people dead One survivor had amputations One survivor may not walk again Terrorist was here on some bullshit diversity visa And?
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Post by schizo319 on Nov 1, 2017 12:11:57 GMT
In light of what they are faced with in potential punishment, I bet they are singing like birds. I wouldn't be too sure about that (with the exception of George Papa) - my guess is they're holding out for a presidential pardon.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 12:41:43 GMT
8 people dead One survivor had amputations One survivor may not walk again Terrorist was here on some bullshit diversity visa And? If the democrats and liberals in this country want to push for allowing more refugees and immigrants while mocking, downplaying, ignoring the importance of vetting and continuing to ignore the huge number of people here illegally already, they should at least be reminded of the victims. It's no surprise there's been little to no discussion about yesterday's attack.
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Post by amom23 on Nov 1, 2017 12:48:28 GMT
If the democrats and liberals in this country want to push for allowing more refugees and immigrants while mocking, downplaying, ignoring the importance of vetting and continuing to ignore the huge number of people here illegally already, they should at least be reminded of the victims. It's no surprise there's been little to no discussion about yesterday's attack. There already is a thread started yesterday to discuss the attack in NYC.
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Post by gar on Nov 1, 2017 13:06:11 GMT
If the democrats and liberals in this country want to push for allowing more refugees and immigrants while mocking, downplaying, ignoring the importance of vetting and continuing to ignore the huge number of people here illegally already, they should at least be reminded of the victims. It's no surprise there's been little to no discussion about yesterday's attack. I think it's the cherry picking of who to vet and who to wave through that causes issues plus ignoring the fact that there are many more deaths at the hands of American citizens every day. And I think folk are very aware of the victims.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 13:08:31 GMT
If the democrats and liberals in this country want to push for allowing more refugees and immigrants while mocking, downplaying, ignoring the importance of vetting and continuing to ignore the huge number of people here illegally already, they should at least be reminded of the victims. It's no surprise there's been little to no discussion about yesterday's attack. There already is a thread started yesterday to discuss the attack in NYC. There sure is, on the second page with about 18 responses.
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Nov 1, 2017 13:09:15 GMT
If the democrats and liberals in this country want to push for allowing more refugees and immigrants while mocking, downplaying, ignoring the importance of vetting and continuing to ignore the huge number of people here illegally already, they should at least be reminded of the victims. It's no surprise there's been little to no discussion about yesterday's attack. I thought now is not the time to talk about it? Just like guns? Wait, but that was a white guy with a gun. Sorry, I forgot.
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Post by amom23 on Nov 1, 2017 13:11:26 GMT
There already is a thread started yesterday to discuss the attack in NYC. There sure is, on the second page with about 18 responses. Oh for Christ's sake lady. All you appear to be is a new member who's sole purpose is to be a shit stirrer on the political threads. I have no time for your bullshit. Carry on being you and I'll carry on ignoring your bullshit.
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Post by casii on Nov 1, 2017 13:13:21 GMT
Pat Robertson, the batshit crazy televangelist, said Trump should pardon everyone and shut Mueller down.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 13:13:31 GMT
They can't go to jail. They are rich white men. Jail is for those other people. Yeah, like the ones selling a dime bag. Lock them up! But those conspiring against our country and selling it to the highest bidders, eh, leave 'em alone.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 13:17:13 GMT
If the democrats and liberals in this country want to push for allowing more refugees and immigrants while mocking, downplaying, ignoring the importance of vetting and continuing to ignore the huge number of people here illegally already, they should at least be reminded of the victims. It's no surprise there's been little to no discussion about yesterday's attack. I think it's the cherry picking of who to vet and who to wave through that causes issues plus ignoring the fact that there are many more deaths at the hands of American citizens every day. And I think folk are very aware of the victims. There are numerous threads with pages of responses regarding terrorist attacks outside of the U.S. We're well aware of the crime in the U.S. at the hands of U.S. citizens, and it's talked about continuously.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 13:17:58 GMT
They can't go to jail. They are rich white men. Jail is for those other people. And whatever happens to Paul Manafort, Sara Huckleberry Sanders will say something like, "The President didn't know, he thought Manafort was a good guy." and the Trumpists will say "well, but that's Paul Manafort, that's not Donald Trump!" or "Oh, come on now- Donald Trump isn't the company he keeps!! Donald Trump is still as pure as the driven snow." ![](http://i1168.photobucket.com/albums/r481/2peasrefugees/Smilies/handovereyes.gif) ![](http://i1168.photobucket.com/albums/r481/2peasrefugees/Smilies/sick.jpg.gif) Obama got smeared for a reverend whose church he used to attend - who did NOTHING illegal.. But Trump can't get smeared for a man he HIRED TO RUN HIS CAMPAIGN - who allegedly conspired against the United States. IOKIYAR
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