pudgygroundhog
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Nov 1, 2017 17:19:23 GMT
You can actually request a second passport and the US will issue you one if you fall into a couple categories. One is if you will be traveling and denied entry to a country based on entry to a previous country. This is not uncommon in a few Middle Eastern countries and I know Israel actually asks you if you want them to stamp your passport as it can be an issue in entering other countries. The other valid reason is if you need a second passport to obtain a visa and you need to travel. Some countries require you to actually send them your passport to obtain the visa. It is entirely feasible that one could document a need for a third depending on where you're traveling and length of time to obtain a visa. He COULD have obtained all 3 legitimately - or they could be false names. I'm just saying there is a procedure in place for second passport, and many of the people I know who travel heavily and also travel to China have two purely for the need to send one for the visa and will need to travel somewhere else in the interim. The only one I know with 3 has 2 US passports and one UK. Interesting. Did not know that. If you get multiple passports are they under the same number or different numbers? |
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Post by Darcy Collins on Nov 1, 2017 17:36:08 GMT
You can actually request a second passport and the US will issue you one if you fall into a couple categories. One is if you will be traveling and denied entry to a country based on entry to a previous country. This is not uncommon in a few Middle Eastern countries and I know Israel actually asks you if you want them to stamp your passport as it can be an issue in entering other countries. The other valid reason is if you need a second passport to obtain a visa and you need to travel. Some countries require you to actually send them your passport to obtain the visa. It is entirely feasible that one could document a need for a third depending on where you're traveling and length of time to obtain a visa. He COULD have obtained all 3 legitimately - or they could be false names. I'm just saying there is a procedure in place for second passport, and many of the people I know who travel heavily and also travel to China have two purely for the need to send one for the visa and will need to travel somewhere else in the interim. The only one I know with 3 has 2 US passports and one UK. Interesting. Did not know that. If you get multiple passports are they under the same number or different numbers? Different numbers. |
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Post by suzastampin on Nov 1, 2017 17:42:08 GMT
You can actually request a second passport and the US will issue you one if you fall into a couple categories. One is if you will be traveling and denied entry to a country based on entry to a previous country. This is not uncommon in a few Middle Eastern countries and I know Israel actually asks you if you want them to stamp your passport as it can be an issue in entering other countries. The other valid reason is if you need a second passport to obtain a visa and you need to travel. Some countries require you to actually send them your passport to obtain the visa. It is entirely feasible that one could document a need for a third depending on where you're traveling and length of time to obtain a visa. He COULD have obtained all 3 legitimately - or they could be false names. I'm just saying there is a procedure in place for second passport, and many of the people I know who travel heavily and also travel to China have two purely for the need to send one for the visa and will need to travel somewhere else in the interim. The only one I know with 3 has 2 US passports and one UK. Very interesting. I didn’t know that. The Peas are really a wealth of knowledge! |
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Post by verdepea on Nov 1, 2017 17:50:18 GMT
I have three passports over the years. I don't know if the number is the same, but I am curious.
If he ran out of room on the extended passport, yes he would need to renew more frequently, but a fake name is fraud. No less fraudulent than a bad hombre who changes his name to do ill. I would think it's treason if he traveled under a fake name to a particular country and then lobbied for said country in the US.
I am hoping some more people are going to be exposed in this scandal. I don't care what political spectrum the perp identifies with. I hope Manafort is the tip of the iceberg and we learn just how often this happens. I'll be first to admit I have been a sleep on politics, but I am awake now and plan to stay woke and focused.
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Post by scrappinmama on Nov 1, 2017 18:04:58 GMT
Oh for Christ's sake lady. All you appear to be is a new member who's sole purpose is to be a shit stirrer on the political threads. I have no time for your bullshit. Carry on being you and I'll carry on ignoring your bullshit.  I love a lively discussion, but not with a troll. SaveSaveThis is exactly how I feel and I wish everyone would just put them on ignore. Don't engage and they will stop. I can't believe he had 3 passports! I'm glad they are under house arrest. |
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Nov 1, 2017 19:02:49 GMT
My husband has two passports with different numbers. He uses the second one for (work) travel if he's sent away the first one with a visa application for another (work) trip. (And "work" is the US government.)
Actually, we're vacationing out of the country right now and he had to bring both passports because when booking the flights, his stupid wife wrote down different passport number number for him for different flights.
Would that I could blame the mistake on a second wife, but that's definitely illegal...
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 1, 2017 22:27:41 GMT
More passport info: How many passports can you really own?by Parija Kavilanz @cnnmoney November 1, 2017: 5:10 PM ET Three passports? We wanted to find some answers. Can you have more than one passport?Yes. U.S. citizens are allowed to have more than one valid U.S. passport at the same time, according to the National Passport Information Center, which is a division of the U.S. State Department. But in most cases, you are only allowed to have two valid passports at a time, according to the NPIC. As NPIC notes on its website, holding a second passport "is the exception to the rule."It remains unclear why Manafort has three. "Having three valid U.S. passports is incredibly unusual and normally would raise a red flag," said Valentina Meehan, owner of New York-based passport and visa expediting service Passport Plus.The State Department declined to comment on Manafort's passports. An official from State said in a statement that its general policy is that "no person shall bear or be in possession of more than one valid or potentially valid passport of the same type (regular, official, diplomatic, no-fee regular, or passport card) at any time, unless authorized by the Department of State."The spokesperson noted that requests for more than one passport are reviewed on a "case-by-case basis."money.cnn.com/2017/11/01/news/economy/manafort-multiple-passports/index.htmlSo, they do a "case-by-case" review for more then ONE passport? What is contained in that review? How about for #3? |
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Post by Darcy Collins on Nov 1, 2017 22:40:27 GMT
As I stated above, you have to show the Passport Agency that you have a valid reason for needing 2 passports. You can use a standard form letter: www.travisa.com/travforms/loa-sanfra.pdfYou then include your itineraries showing for example that you're going to China next month and have sent your current passport for that visa and are going to the UK next week and will need another passport. If you could show that you were going to two visa requiring countries plus a third international trip, I imagine they might authorize a third, but in real life I only know people with 2. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 1, 2017 22:46:09 GMT
Yes, that was also included in the article, didn't add it because you had explained that about waiting for Visas.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Nov 1, 2017 23:23:37 GMT
Yes, that was also included in the article, didn't add it because you had explained that about waiting for Visas. Sorry I was confused by your question of what is contained in the review - they're reviewing if there's a legitimate need. |
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Nov 2, 2017 16:19:04 GMT
if they do a case-by-case review for two passports, then how in the heck did he get THREE?? (the story makes it sound like all three are valid, too.) I'm glad they say that three sounds non-legitimate to the person they asked. I didn't know about having even more than one, but for the reasons explained, it makes sense to me. But three??
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Post by Darcy Collins on Nov 2, 2017 16:27:46 GMT
if they do a case-by-case review for two passports, then how in the heck did he get THREE?? (the story makes it sound like all three are valid, too.) I'm glad they say that three sounds non-legitimate to the person they asked. I didn't know about having even more than one, but for the reasons explained, it makes sense to me. But three?? The only way I can see 3 being legitimate is if he's traveling often to several countries that require a visa. We know he made trips to China and Russia. If they were frequent enough and overlapped - I suppose the Passport Agency would look at his itineraries of having one Passport getting a China visa, one getting a Russia visa and needing one to go to the Cayman Islands - all within a month and authorize it. Or there could be something hinky going on. I imagine we will find out all the gory details when all is said and done. If I was a betting woman, I'd guess he also has one of those easily obtainable foreign passports - St. Kitts is one I hear you can purchase. I would consider him an extreme flight risk - if he can get far enough away quickly enough. I imagine we've flagged him in any and all systems both internally and with our allies. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 2, 2017 19:53:55 GMT
Seems Sessions knew about the proposed meeting from Papadopoulus: Report: Sessions knew of proposed campaign meeting with Putin Haley Britzky Nov 2, 2017 Attorney General Jeff Sessions rejected George Papadopoulos' proposed meeting between the Trump campaign and Vladimir Putin in 2016, CNN reports citing a person who was in the meeting and claims Sessions "shut down" the suggestion. Why it matters: Sessions did not disclose this information during Congressional hearings; he told Sen. Lindsey Graham last month in a Senate judiciary hearing that he did not see "anything that would indicate collusion with the Russians to impact the campaign." Democrats are demanding for him to "formally clarify his remarks," per CNN.www.axios.com/wh-to-support-clean-fossil-fuels-at-u-n-climate-conference-2505552070.html?utm_source=sidebar |
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Post by rodeomom on Nov 2, 2017 21:54:37 GMT
I saw on TV where he had applied for 10 !!
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Post by maryannscraps on Nov 3, 2017 12:32:39 GMT
I used to work for a company that did a lot of business in the Middle East. Employees who traveled often had separate passports for certain countries, due to tensions between countries. Having an Israeli stamp would cause a lot of trouble in Iraq, having an Iraqi stamp would cause trouble in Iran... This was a long time ago, but I remember it being legal.
It sure does makes it easy to leave the country when you have all those options. I think Manafort is a huge flight risk.
And, of course Sessions is in all the middle of this! The entire swamp is.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2017 13:18:25 GMT
if they do a case-by-case review for two passports, then how in the heck did he get THREE?? (the story makes it sound like all three are valid, too.) I'm glad they say that three sounds non-legitimate to the person they asked. I didn't know about having even more than one, but for the reasons explained, it makes sense to me. But three?? I suppose the Passport Agency would look at his itineraries of having one Passport getting a China visa, one getting a Russia visa and needing one to go to the Cayman Islands - all within a month and authorize it. Or there could be something hinky going on. I imagine we will find out all the gory details when all is said and done. If I was a betting woman, I'd guess he also has one of those easily obtainable foreign passports - St. Kitts is one I hear you can purchase. I would consider him an extreme flight risk - if he can get far enough away quickly enough. I imagine we've flagged him in any and all systems both internally and with our allies. I can understand the need for maybe two passports. But if he was travelling to Russia frequently I would imagine he would have applied for a business visa that can be issued for a longer term and is valid from 6 months or 12 months. That eliminates the overlapping of sending the second passport to apply for a China visa should he need to within that 6 or 12 month period that he would be still covered to visit Russia. It's highly unlikely that both visa's needed renewing at the same time. And from what I understand a US passport holder doesn't need a visa to travel to the Cayman Islands so he could use the passport that had the Russian visa issued on to do that. The only other reason I can think of is that he was applying for 30 day tourist visas which would then restrict him from re-applying for another visa too often. Using multiple passports would then cover up his possible nefarious reasons for visiting so frequently. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2017 14:43:50 GMT
Pat Robertson, the batshit crazy televangelist, said Trump should pardon everyone and shut Mueller down. Just as Jesus would have wanted. Robertson's devotees must be the most uninformed, unthinking people on the planet. But then, those are always good folks to have following you when you're a snake oil salesman. Easy marks. |
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