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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Nov 2, 2017 3:33:16 GMT
You are reading me way wrong. Then I am as well. Please try to explain the right way. Count me three. I'm reading her the same way you and inkedup are...
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Post by teacherlisa on Nov 2, 2017 3:34:47 GMT
Whatever you do, do not let her in your house or be alone with her. This feels awful to say but I think someone should say it. I agree at this point.
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Post by Really Red on Nov 2, 2017 3:36:39 GMT
I'm so sorry you're going through this. It's awful to have a child with these kind of challenges.
In addition to calling CPS, I would call her primary care doctor and tell her exactly what's going on. If your daughter is taking her meds, which she appears to be doing, she wants to be helped. Tell the PCP that you will make sure your daughter sees a specialist and you've made an appt (do that) and tell the PCP when and with whom. Chances are she'll give her another prescription. That's the first step.
I agree that it would be difficult to take her back, but maybe now that she's on meds she's doing better? I didn't understand if you get to see her or not. I hope you do and you make sure she knows you love her, but cannot tolerate that behavior. I know this is extremely tough. I am really sorry. It sounds like you're doing everything you can. Hugs!
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Post by mom on Nov 2, 2017 3:39:49 GMT
If he doesn't have a car then he can only work within a certain distance to get her health care whether it be mental health or medical help. How will calling CPS change that? Is it court ordered that she has to see doctors that far away? I mean if someone doesn't take a person's insurance, they have no car etc I am not sure how CPS can alter that. It is neglect when you do not get the medical attention your child needs. This is just as serious (and more common) than child abuse. CPS will be able to help the other parent get the resources they need (whether it is a ride to the dr, parenting classes to teach them how to parent, etc). Just because CPS is involved does not mean they will take the child away. Just because a parent does not have a car or insurance that is accepted is not a reason to let your child with a mental disorder suffer. Not only is the child in danger of hurting herself, those around her are in danger. SaveSave
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Post by LiLi on Nov 2, 2017 4:00:37 GMT
Then I am as well. Please try to explain the right way. Count me three. I'm reading her the same way you and inkedup are... I don't know if you missed my previous response since I didn't add it to a quote, or I am still not coming across correctly; or maybe you just don't "hear" what I am trying to say... So here it is again: "Well, I didn't say ANY of those things, for starters. Plus, I was responding to a different poster. I do think the op's daughter needs help and the rest of her family deserves to be safe and live in a peaceful non-stressful home. Especially her other children. Perhaps I am not eloquent, but you are reading me wrong" If you still think I am making excuses or somehow thinking that her family doesn't have the right, to safety, I don't know what else to say. I know what my intentions are and I think the op does, too. And that is all that matters. From My other post before I was called sanctimonious, I was just telling her to get help... Even separate For her and her other children 😢
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Post by inkedup on Nov 2, 2017 4:33:21 GMT
First: You are the adult. How can you blame your DAUGHTER, A CHILD who needs help, for your family issues? But if she is truly in need of help, GET HER HELP. You can't force him to do anything. The best thing would be to call cps, or even the non emergency police number. Do you have her doctor's number? That would be another option. Tell someone, anyone, any one of them that will listen... that your daughter's urgent medical needs are being neglected. They can make sure she is getting the help she needs. This needs an outsider, a third party to intervene. It sounds like there is nothing you can personally do by arguing with her or her father, except add to the drama in your poor daughter's life. 💔🙁😢 Maybe this post is what is giving us the impression that you are busy judging the OP. Your tone isn't exactly empathetic. You are telling OP to get her daughter help, almost as if you didn't read the long list of things she has already done to help her daughter. The other post I quoted from you ("gross... ") is even more harsh. And, while that "gross" post was not directed at the OP, you are still obliquely referring to whatever you addressed in the post above. mentally ill or not, OP's daughter does not have the right to harm others. If several people misunderstand your point, I would think the reason is that you are not articulating yourself well, rather than that several people are failing to comprehend what you are saying.
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Post by LiLi on Nov 2, 2017 4:42:56 GMT
First: You are the adult. How can you blame your DAUGHTER, A CHILD who needs help, for your family issues? But if she is truly in need of help, GET HER HELP. You can't force him to do anything. The best thing would be to call cps, or even the non emergency police number. Do you have her doctor's number? That would be another option. Tell someone, anyone, any one of them that will listen... that your daughter's urgent medical needs are being neglected. They can make sure she is getting the help she needs. This needs an outsider, a third party to intervene. It sounds like there is nothing you can personally do by arguing with her or her father, except add to the drama in your poor daughter's life. 💔🙁😢 Maybe this post is what is giving us the impression that you are busy judging the OP. Your tone isn't exactly empathetic. You are telling OP to get her daughter help, almost as if you didn't read the long list of things she has already done to help her daughter. The other post I quoted from you ("gross... ") is even more harsh. And, while that "gross" post was not directed at the OP, you are still obliquely referring to whatever you addressed in the post above. mentally ill or not, OP's daughter does not have the right to harm others. If several people misunderstand your point, I would think the reason is that you are not articulating yourself well, rather than that several people are failing to comprehend what you are saying. I fully admitted I may not be expressing myself well. This is a very emotional subject for me. I hope that sounds like what it is, an explaination, not an excuse. I agree with your points. I meant, help for her now. Not to bother with drama with the father, but call in a third party. I never meant it as if she didn't try to help her before. I NEVER implied her daughter had the right to harm others. I even stated to separate her and get counseling for themselves independent of her. I am just really being misheard, or have miss-explained on this.
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Post by Basket1lady on Nov 2, 2017 4:59:40 GMT
I am the sponsor of the tricare insurance. My ex is on ssdi. You don't have to answer any of this here. I'm just trying to figure out how to help you without knowing all the info and asking you to give up some very personal info on the internet. If you are still active duty, you can go to your CO and explain the situation. Ask for help. If you still have primary custody of your DD, there may be some questions about why this is coming to light now. This is one reason I would hesitate to call CPS. I know you said you thought your ex was getting her help, but a CO is going to ask the tough questions. Most importantly, your CO should have some numbers/contacts at mental health to get her some help. Regular visits may take a bit to put into place, but you need to start somewhere. If you are not AD, call Tricare. Call the triage nurse. Or call her PCM in the morning. It's going to be a pain because no one is going to want to deal with this and they will all take your number and have 3 business days to get back to you. You're going to have to be the squeaky wheel to get anything done before the weekend. (I'm thinking of getting her script renewed.) Sometimes it helps to go to the clinic, especially if you are at a smaller base/MTF. And I hate to say it, but if you have any rank, I'd pull that now. I had some HUGE health issues with a brain injury a few years ago and DH had to play the colonel card to get some answers. But once he and his CO (The General) got involved, along with 5 department heads at Walter Reed, it was less than a week before we had a diagnosis, where it had been 5 months up until then with them just dealing with me, the spouse. One other resource for you may be militaryonesource.mil. It's been a few years since my CO Spouse Training, but at the time this was where we were advised to send people who needed matters to be confidential and needed advice. You can talk to a person and they can advise you of your rights as a parents/patient and at least tell you where to start to get help. The number is 1-800-342-9647 and I know that number is manned 24/7. Do you use RelayHealth in your area? We use it here to contact our provider. Perhaps you can use that to send your DD's PCM a detailed message telling the PCM the problem and asking how to proceed. Hopefully something above will help. Good luck!
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Post by my3freaks on Nov 2, 2017 5:16:43 GMT
I don't know what you can do. But HUGS because it must be very difficult to go thru this. I hope someone has advice for you. I wish I had answers for you. (((Hugs)))
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Post by miominmio on Nov 2, 2017 7:00:44 GMT
Reading between the lines of her post...something tells me she can't be in the home with mom and step-dad. She mentioned an investigation. I would call CPS. I understand what you are saying. If it is the case that the OP can't have her daughter in her home due to the fact that her daughter is a danger to others in the home than yes, I agree with everyone else to call CPS , the police and anyone else that can help. If however the only thing that happened were the letters on the computer etc. (which I believe were a call for help) and an investigation on her husband and the OP to make sure the teen daughter wasn't being harmed in the OP's home then I still believe it is the OP's responsibility to go get her teen daughter, fill her meds before they run out and get her to her doctor's appointments. If it were my daughter I'd be doing that. At the very least I'd give my daughter a chance to try it again at home especially since she's now been on her meds for many months. There are children who are so dangerous to themselves and others, that placement outside the home is the only option. Some of them a lot younger. The letters on the computer might be a call for help, or her fantasies that she might act on. If I had other children at home, I wouldn't take the risk of bringing her home.
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Post by dasmith2 on Nov 2, 2017 8:19:41 GMT
Honestly I would probably call CPS. In this circumstance he is being negligent. A thousand times this ^^^^^^^^^^^^
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Post by destined2bmom on Nov 2, 2017 11:31:27 GMT
Huge hugs to you and your family.
Please call CPS, the police and her counselor at school, today.
Then please let us know what they said and what they are going to do for your daughter.
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Post by christine58 on Nov 2, 2017 12:08:04 GMT
Who says she's not taking her meds? If there are only 4 pills left it sounds to me like she has been taking them. Who says she isn't willing to go to treatment if she was given the chance? But the dad has waited to long to get it refilled/see someone. A good psychiatrist will not just refill meds without seeing her and it sounds like she isn't going to therapy.
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Post by MerryMom on Nov 2, 2017 12:09:59 GMT
If he doesn't have a car then he can only work within a certain distance to get her health care whether it be mental health or medical help. How will calling CPS change that? Is it court ordered that she has to see doctors that far away? I mean if someone doesn't take a person's insurance, they have no car etc I am not sure how CPS can alter that. It is neglect when you do not get the medical attention your child needs. This is just as serious (and more common) than child abuse. CPS will be able to help the other parent get the resources they need (whether it is a ride to the dr, parenting classes to teach them how to parent, etc). Just because CPS is involved does not mean they will take the child away. Just because a parent does not have a car or insurance that is accepted is not a reason to let your child with a mental disorder suffer. Not o nly is the child in danger of hurting herself, those around her are in danger. SaveSaveI have worked in child welfare as an investigator and supervisor and administrator for 24.5 years. The screening guidelines may have some variation from state to state. In general, for something to be considered neglect/medical neglect for not obtaining mental health services, the mental health professional should be the referral source and state that the child/youth is at imminent risk of suicide or is suicidal and the parent is not obtaining the needed mental health services. I would be quite surprised if a CPS agency screened it in on the basis of the youth not seeing a counselor for the past five months, especially when the mental health professional is not the referral source. The mental health professional AND the doctor prescribing the medication are both mandatory reporters of child abuse/neglect. If the OP/mother wants "someone" to make her daughter obtain counseling, then she needs to file a motion asap with the court that has jurisdiction over your divorce/child custody arrangements. The motion should request the judge or magistrate to court order the residential parent to maintain the mental health services, including medication, as long as the mental health professional says it is warranted. In addition, the mother could make the arrangements to have someone transport her daughter to the counseling if the OP feels so strongly about it. No matter the distance. I do feel that we are missing parts of the story, which I respect the OP's right to post whatever she wishes. It is clear to me that there was some type of allegation leveled at the OP and her husband that CPS investigated. I do agree that the daughter has a lot of anger towards many people, including her mother. It is clear to me that issues with the OP, the father, the family situation, etc. began LONG before the daughter had her current mental health issues. I think the daughter's issues, anger, etc. are symptomatic of the many levels of dysfunction within her family. But I am just arm chair DSM'ing here.
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Post by momto4kiddos on Nov 2, 2017 12:12:20 GMT
There was some good advice in here. Gather the necessary info, police reports, stories she wrote etc., and get CPS involved. Like others have said, they can at least guide him to do the right things if he's willing. If not they can deal with that too.
I can't imagine the stress of the situation, but you need to try to get her help in a way that keeps you all safe. I'd also consider trying to speak to those who were involved in your case/investigation. I imagine they could have some solid advice for you on how to move forward with this.
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Post by christine58 on Nov 2, 2017 12:13:48 GMT
I just talked to my ex and recorded the convo. He said he is prescribed the same med as her just double dose so he is going to cut it in half and give it to her. Also hos pets to bed sleeping pills. HUH??? pets to bed?? What he is doing with his meds is WRONG..CALL CPS..also..not sure what state you're in but recording him might be illegal. He informed me the quit his meds,4 months ago and uses " herbal" daily if you know,what I mean. He said our daughter know,but he just goes to the bedroom to smoke it. How much worse can it really get? He still gets hos script filled because SSDI requires him to follow TREATMENT but doesn't mean he has to take it. I feel like a witch for recording pretending to be friendly when i am really gettimg evidence so ot os just not "hearsay" Going to try n sleep. Honestly...I give up. I work with teens like your DD...she needs SERIOUS help so she can lead a happy productive life. Take the blinders off and get her some HELP.
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Post by eleezybeth on Nov 2, 2017 12:56:07 GMT
I just talked to my ex and recorded the convo. He said he is prescribed the same med as her just double dose so he is going to cut it in half and give it to her. Also hos pets to bed sleeping pills. He informed me the quit his meds,4 months ago and uses " herbal" daily if you know,what I mean. He said our daughter know,but he just goes to the bedroom to smoke it. How much worse can it really get? He still gets hos script filled because SSDI requires him to follow TREATMENT but doesn't mean he has to take it. I feel like a witch for recording pretending to be friendly when i am really gettimg evidence so ot os just not "hearsay" Going to try n sleep. Giving her his prescription is illegal. I'd call and ask CPS for clarification on if this is concerning to them. (Not accusing, just asking a what if...) Unfortunately, just because he said that is what he is going to do, you can't prove that is what he did. So at this point it is really not "evidence" but it is concerning. Since you are the sponsor (and I am so sorry for assuming that it had to be a dad, that was sexist and I apologize), you might want to tell your command what is going on just in case you need to go get her. I'd also call your local Family Advocacy Program and ask for support. I'm sure if she made any claims against you, they are already involved. I assume that she is not near any MTF so that is out as an option but is she perhaps close? I can see dad making claims he can't afford the prescription co-pay at a civilian pharmacy. What family members live near your ex? Is grandma around? Also- DBT is notoriously hard to find as a program. While most clinicians can dabble around it not that many are truly trained. It isn't like asking for CBT which most clinicians are trained in. If he lives in a rural area without easy transportation, I'm going to go on a limb and guess that finding a DBT program is not as easy as you would want it to be.
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Post by MerryMom on Nov 2, 2017 14:17:26 GMT
He lives in Louisville,MY not a small city by any means and I have personally called do its several weeks ago to give him the list of them whom do the therapy and accept tricare. It was just brushed off. Don't worry about assuming the male was the service member. I wasnt even on my radar whwn reading your post. I'm medically retired so there is no chain of command to work with. Do you mean Kentucky? I'm confused because twice you have referred to the state as MY, I was thinking it was a typo for Maryland or Wyoming. OP, I say the following with a great deal of compassion and 24.5 years of child welfare experience>>> If CPS gets involved, since your parental rights have not been terminated, you are just as culpable for obtaining or not obtaining the needed services for your child. Not matter where she lives and where you live. No matter who has the insurance and who doesn't, no matter who the child is living with or not living with, no matter what "hell" you feel your daughter has caused you, no matter, no matter, no matter. My best advice to you is that I personally would contact the last therapist and the doctor prescribing the medication to your daughter and inform them of the current situation and ask them if they feel that not having the therapy or medication has created a currently suicidal (actively suicidal) situation for your daughter. If so, as mandated reporters, they should be reporting this. However, I feel that you probably have a situation where she does need or would greatly benefit from the medication and counseling, but it is not at the suicidal level. With that, then CPS will not likely NOT screen it in for assessment. If your daughter is attending school fairly regularly, is not out committing felonies, etc. then she is some level of "functional". However, via a motion through the child custody case, that court has greater discretion to order services for your daughter, her father, and quite frankly for you. I highly doubt that your daughter's anger and writings came from out of nowhere, and/or is only due to her father.
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Post by mom on Nov 2, 2017 19:42:37 GMT
I have been typing on my phone and auto correct keeps changing KY to My for some reason. What were you able to do today? SaveSave
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Post by birukitty on Nov 2, 2017 20:13:50 GMT
Who says she's not taking her meds? If there are only 4 pills left it sounds to me like she has been taking them. Who says she isn't willing to go to treatment if she was given the chance? But the dad has waited to long to get it refilled/see someone. A good psychiatrist will not just refill meds without seeing her and it sounds like she isn't going to therapy. Yes I am aware of this. Which is why it is so important that a parent step in and do their responsibility to this teen. She is ill. If the father won't do it than if I were the mother I'd leave my kids with their stepfather and drive or fly to my ex's and take care of my daughter-fill the meds, get her to her appointments. And make a plan so that she is taken care of. Whether that means getting her into an inpatient facility or bringing her home-whatever the psychiatrist feels is best. Because clearly the ex isn't going to take care of the daughter's medical needs-filling her scripts and getting her to appointments.
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Post by luckyexwife on Nov 7, 2017 16:44:48 GMT
I have been typing on my phone and auto correct keeps changing KY to My for some reason. I have been thinking about this, and praying for you and your daughter. Have you been able to make any progress?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2017 16:54:37 GMT
There are a couple of moms here who have gone through hell and high water with their child. I hope that they have contacted you. They will have much better advice , since they have btdt.
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Post by FuzzyMutt on Nov 7, 2017 18:02:05 GMT
I am the sponsor of the tricare insurance. My ex is on ssdi. Isn't it beautiful people assume that the sponsor is a man. I went through something completely different many years ago. Completely different in that my ex was deployed, his children lived with us full time and the across country ex wife found a way to manipulate their teen son into becoming extremely difficult and dishonest. CPS was involved. After an initial interview in which teen son lied through his teeth and teen daughter was quiet then evasive then fairly honest, I decided I felt unsafe in my home. My child (biological) was 6 years old, and there was no way on the planet I'd put his home life at risk because I couldn't trust the very basic decency of honesty. The kids went across the street to stay with a neighbor for a few days, until Ex had to come home from deployment- it was a disaster. It's was the nail that sealed the coffin of our marriage. It's been 10 years, and the ripple effect is still being felt. Don't let anyone shame you for protecting yourself and your other children. And yes, it is possible that some people place unhealthy blame on children for causing undue stress in a home/marriage. But it DOES happen. Interestingly, 10 years later, my daughter and I are closer than I could have ever dreamed. She doesn't have much to do with her mother. Unfortunately, teen son made terrible choices and it has manifested in various ways in his life. He's now 25 and it makes me sad to see what could have been. My bio child, he's 16 now, and he and his sister are close as can be. I hope my story gives you hope that this can be worked through. Keep advocating and don't give up.
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Post by used2scrap on Nov 7, 2017 18:13:07 GMT
I do apologize for the miss assumption, although it really wasn't about the sponser being a man, but rather assuming the custodial parent was the one carrying the insurance.
I hope the OP has been able to move forward in getting her dd and family some assistance.
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Post by Basket1lady on Nov 7, 2017 20:40:25 GMT
I am the sponsor of the tricare insurance. My ex is on ssdi. Isn't it beautiful people assume that the sponsor is a man. It had nothing to do with assuming the military sponsor was a man. I thought the OP was asking for information about how to deal with her ex and the Tricare system. So I assumed that she wasn't familiar with Tricare. In actuality, she was asking about how to force her ex to get care for their DD, but I didn't catch that. THAT part is on me. OP, I hope you found a solution to the problem. I'm sorry that you are dealing with this. I can't even imagine the sorrow you must feel.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Nov 7, 2017 23:04:23 GMT
I'm so sorry you're all going through this. It sounds like you're exploring every available option; I hope the professionals can offer you even more choices so that you can choose a solution where your daughter gets the support she needs while the rest of your family is protected. Good luck.
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Post by christine58 on Nov 7, 2017 23:26:55 GMT
Right now my best plan I can come up with is remove her from her father's (sending her there was voluntary and as our divorce decree I have sole custody and he had no visitation as of 14 yrs ago.) Is move to PA and have her live with my husbands parent's and live across the street with the rest of my family so I can suppervise while keeping the other children sa Umm..no...your child needs HELP from a residential setting. She needs more help than just moving her into your ex-inlaws. I hope CPS removes her and places her in long term care.
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Post by inkedup on Nov 7, 2017 23:30:28 GMT
Right now my best plan I can come up with is remove her from her father's (sending her there was voluntary and as our divorce decree I have sole custody and he had no visitation as of 14 yrs ago.) Is move to PA and have her live with my husbands parent's and live across the street with the rest of my family so I can suppervise while keeping the other children sa Umm..no...your child needs HELP from a residential setting. She needs more help than just moving her into your ex-inlaws. I hope CPS removes her and places her in long term care. Are you going to help pay for this residential treatment? So many of you live in a bubble and don't realize that access to residential treatment is severely limited for most average people. In my state, OP's daughter wouldn't have many options if her family couldn't afford expensive, in patient, treatment. This mythical treatment you think she'd get from our public health care system is non-existent, so OP may not see involving CPS as anything but a last resort.
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Post by christine58 on Nov 7, 2017 23:36:40 GMT
Are you going to help pay for this residential treatment? So many of you live in a bubble and don't realize that access to residential treatment is severely limited for most average people. In my state, OP's daughter wouldn't have many options if her family couldn't afford expensive, in patient, treatment. This mythical treatment you think she'd get from our public health care system is non-existent, so OP may not see involving CPS as anything but a last resort. I don't live in a BUBBLE. I teach kids just like she is describing. CPS can place her in treatment. The court system can as well. I am well versed in the lack of mental health care for our kids. I saw it every.single.day. But that doesn't mean the OP shouldn't try. I hope CPS removes this child from the father and the mother. Placing her without some HELP isn't going to do a god darn thing.
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Post by inkedup on Nov 7, 2017 23:40:31 GMT
Are you going to help pay for this residential treatment? So many of you live in a bubble and don't realize that access to residential treatment is severely limited for most average people. In my state, OP's daughter wouldn't have many options if her family couldn't afford expensive, in patient, treatment. This mythical treatment you think she'd get from our public health care system is non-existent, so OP may not see involving CPS as anything but a last resort. I don't live in a BUBBLE. I teach kids just like she is describing. CPS can place her in treatment. The court system can as well. I am well versed in the lack of mental health care for our kids. I saw it every.single.day. But that doesn't mean the OP shouldn't try. I hope CPS removes this child from the father and the mother. Placing her without some HELP isn't going to do a god darn thing. Maybe you can provide more than harsh judgment in this case, then. Give OP a list of all the resources that are available in your state and maybe help her figure out where to start. Should be no problem since CPS apparently has vast resources at its disposal and a call to them magically fixes even something like BPD. And I guess you ignored the part where OP said she actually did contact CPS. Seems like the agency isn't nearly the magic fix you want to pretend it is.
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