ginacivey
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Post by ginacivey on Sept 3, 2014 15:15:45 GMT
how far do seats really recline anyway?
either we want comfort or we want cheap air fares - not gonna get both
i just don't see getting that worked up about not being able to recline
the industry is going to disable the recline option because of the actions of a few asshats
gina
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Post by sillyrabbit on Sept 3, 2014 15:18:00 GMT
For the record, I was joking about reclining my seat back as far as in that picture. I would never do that even if I was on a plane that had seats that did recline that far. That being said, an inch or two recline doesn't bother me when people do it in the row in front of me. That tiny recline helps alleviate a lot of pain in people with back problems so I understand why people do it.
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Post by traceys on Sept 3, 2014 15:22:18 GMT
I have never seen a seat that will recline as far as the one in the picture. The only time I recline my seat is on a flight to Europe and even then, it isnt really what I would call reclining. A little courtesy and forebearance on all sides goes a long way.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Sept 3, 2014 15:22:29 GMT
I can't get past the stupidity of the picture in the article. Unless he has another 3 feet of leg below the ankle, it's a pretty ridiculous picture. There's clearly more room for his knees if his feet were resting on the ground.
I'm another that would like to see financial penalties for these idiots.
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Post by sharlag on Sept 3, 2014 15:33:31 GMT
In December, I flew with my big, almost 2-year-old toddler as a lap child. The flight was full, we were in the middle seat, so no extra space at all. The lady in front of me reclined her seat back as far as it would go for as much of the flight as she was allowed to. My toddler had about half an inch between his face and the seat in front of us! He cried and struggled (and so did I, silently, trying to keep him at least manageable, despite all the preparation I had done, toys and snacks and activities, etc. that I had brought to distract him) for most of the 6 hour flight. He actually fell asleep the second we landed, lol. It was absolutely miserable, but my goodness, I would never even consider causing such a fuss that the plane would have to land because of it! I just wanted to get to my destination as fast as possible! That is ridiculous! I am much more of a "sit and suffer in silence" type anyways. Some things aren't worth it! melly that must have been so miserable for you and your son. T hat lady sitting in front of you was a real first class bitch to be so rude and inconsiderate. Flying can really suck these days, but nobody should be going out of their way to make it even worse. I disagree. The consequences of Melly's choice to save money and lap carry a large toddler is that she was cramped/short on space. It's not the responsibility of the passenger in front of her to accommodate Melly's money-saving decision.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2014 15:33:53 GMT
That photo is silly.....who sits on a plane with their knees like that? My DH HAS to! He is 6 ft 4 and has very long legs -- and no joke, when someone reclines their seat that's exactly what he looks like. We've always done everything we can to check in as soon as we can and request the emergency exit seat but we've never been given it. 
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2014 15:38:07 GMT
That photo is silly.....who sits on a plane with their knees like that? My DH HAS to! He is 6 ft 4 and has very long legs -- and no joke, when someone reclines their seat that's exactly what he looks like. We've always done everything we can to check in as soon as we can and request the emergency exit seat but we've never been given it.  I know it can be uncomfortable for very tall people but the man in that photo would have enough room for his knees if his feet were on the floor. It only the top half of a seat that reclines not the whole seat,
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Post by SnowWhite on Sept 3, 2014 17:02:20 GMT
melly that must have been so miserable for you and your son. T hat lady sitting in front of you was a real first class bitch to be so rude and inconsiderate. Flying can really suck these days, but nobody should be going out of their way to make it even worse. I disagree. The consequences of Melly's choice to save money and lap carry a large toddler is that she was cramped/short on space. It's not the responsibility of the passenger in front of her to accommodate Melly's money-saving decision. I completely agree with sharla. Those seats were built with one person in mind, if you choose to put two people in it, that's your loss.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2014 17:04:18 GMT
I disagree. The consequences of Melly's choice to save money and lap carry a large toddler is that she was cramped/short on space. It's not the responsibility of the passenger in front of her to accommodate Melly's money-saving decision. I completely agree with sharla. Those seats were built with one person in mind, if you choose to put two people in it, that's your loss. I hate to say it but I agree too. I suffered through a flight a few months ago with a lap child next to me. He kept grabbing my iPad, drink, screeching the whole flight. The mom did hardly anything to stop him. I wish lap children aren't allowed. It unsafe for them and uncomfortable for those next to them.
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Post by MaryMary on Sept 3, 2014 17:07:04 GMT
I think the passengers causing these disturbances are crazy, but I would be thrilled if they disabled the reclining ability on non-transcontinental flights. Seat recliners make me want to punch something.
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Post by likescarrots on Sept 3, 2014 17:11:03 GMT
I agree. And the article says the one woman was sleeping on the tray? Seriously, forget the fact that there is no way that is comfortable, how could you expect not to be disturbed by the person whose seat your *pillow* is connected to? Even if they simply shift in their seat, or get up to use the bathroom, you'll feel it. And what about the person next to you? It's one thing to try to climb over someone who's sleeping in their seat, but if they're hunched over the tray?  They pilot should've swung the plane over the Atlantic, had the flight crew open up the door and tossed her out. I don't often sleep on planes, but this is pretty much the only way I can manage it comfortably. (Arms crossed, head on arms). But I usually wait for the person to recline first. Either way, reclining has never bothered me, and I pretty much never do it myself. The only time it bothers me is if I have an open drink because I don't want it to spill. I agree that the person who starts this type of altercation should be put on a no fly list.
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Post by MizIndependent on Sept 3, 2014 17:12:39 GMT
That photo is silly.....who sits on a plane with their knees like that? Pretty much anyone over 6'.
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Post by melly on Sept 3, 2014 17:26:35 GMT
I completely agree with sharla. Those seats were built with one person in mind, if you choose to put two people in it, that's your loss. I hate to say it but I agree too. I suffered through a flight a few months ago with a lap child next to me. He kept grabbing my iPad, drink, screeching the whole flight. The mom did hardly anything to stop him. I wish lap children aren't allowed. It unsafe for them and uncomfortable for those next to them. This is about my post- and I agree too. That is one of the reasons I said nothing to the lady in front of me, because she has every right to recline her seat if she chooses. However, if it were me, I would not have reclined my seat all the way if there were a lap child behind me, now that I have been in that position. I can sleep just as well a few inches more upright. Flying with a lap child was my absolute only option- it was either that, or not go. I was thankful for the option. On the way home, the plane had empty seats so he was able to have much more room. But it was just as miserable... He is just not a flyer!! And I did *everything* I possibly could to quiet him so as not to disturb the other passengers. Luckily there were no complaints about him, I would have felt awful! It will be a long time til I fly with a toddler again, LOL
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Post by nepean on Sept 3, 2014 17:27:59 GMT
Good grief! Clearly you have never flown economy class on a VERY long international flight. Try sitting bolt upright for 16 hours from Dallas, Texas to Sydney, Australia and then tell me ALL planes should have the recline feature removed. Now I will give you the benefit of the doubt, and believe you were simply meaning for aircraft that fly short routes, of up to a few hours.
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Post by missysauter on Sept 3, 2014 17:29:18 GMT
I believe they should continue the flights so long as they aren't any danger to the flight itself and have marshalls waiting at the gate when they arrive.
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Post by amom23 on Sept 3, 2014 17:35:21 GMT
Good grief! Clearly you have never flown economy class on a VERY long international flight. Try sitting bolt upright for 16 hours from Dallas, Texas to Sydney, Australia and then tell me ALL planes should have the recline feature removed. Now I will give you the benefit of the doubt, and believe you were simply meaning for aircraft that fly short routes, of up to a few hours. Yes, I was talking about most domestic flights.
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Post by nepean on Sept 3, 2014 17:35:54 GMT
That photo is silly.....who sits on a plane with their knees like that? My DH HAS to! He is 6 ft 4 and has very long legs -- and no joke, when someone reclines their seat that's exactly what he looks like. We've always done everything we can to check in as soon as we can and request the emergency exit seat but we've never been given it.  I am sorry, clearly I am a bitch today, given the 2nd post on this thread, and both being argumentative. But, I cannot imagine even for a minute this is what your husband looks like in this situation on a plane. If he does then it is HIS CHOICE to sit like that, He can put his knees down. How do I know this you might ask? My DH is 6'8" and does not need to sit with his knees up like that. That is just silly. Are his legs cramped? YES, Does he have any space? NO When we fly we do fly economy, as that is what our budget allows, he just makes the best of a very uncomfortable position and goes with it. The picture being referred to is just DRAMA.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2014 17:37:52 GMT
My DH HAS to! He is 6 ft 4 and has very long legs -- and no joke, when someone reclines their seat that's exactly what he looks like. We've always done everything we can to check in as soon as we can and request the emergency exit seat but we've never been given it.  I am sorry, clearly I am a bitch today, given the 2nd post on this thread, and both being argumentative. But, I cannot imagine even for a minute this is what your husband looks like in this situation on a plane. If he does then it is HIS CHOICE to sit like that, He can put his knees down. How do I know this you might ask? My DH is 6'8" and does not need to sit with his knees up like that. That is just silly. Are his legs cramped? YES, Does he have any space? NO When we fly we do fly economy, as that is what our budget allows, he just makes the best of a very uncomfortable position and goes with it. The picture being referred to is just DRAMA. Wow, I guess you've flown with my DH more times that I have. No, he can't put his legs down - there's no where for them to go. He really cannot sit comfortably in a plane. He's also never complained about it or said anything to anyone around him. I just feel bad for him when we fly because he always seems to get a reclining person in front of him.
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Post by MizIndependent on Sept 3, 2014 17:41:06 GMT
My DH HAS to! He is 6 ft 4 and has very long legs -- and no joke, when someone reclines their seat that's exactly what he looks like. We've always done everything we can to check in as soon as we can and request the emergency exit seat but we've never been given it.  I am sorry, clearly I am a bitch today, given the 2nd post on this thread, and both being argumentative. But, I cannot imagine even for a minute this is what your husband looks like in this situation on a plane. If he does then it is HIS CHOICE to sit like that, He can put his knees down. How do I know this you might ask? My DH is 6'8" and does not need to sit with his knees up like that. That is just silly. Are his legs cramped? YES, Does he have any space? NO When we fly we do fly economy, as that is what our budget allows, he just makes the best of a very uncomfortable position and goes with it. The picture being referred to is just DRAMA. Well, nepean, all I can say is your DH must be all torso, because my DH is 6' 7" and I can PROMISE you, this is exACTly what he has to do. There is nowhere for his legs to go. Period! This is why we get the bulkhead seat or emergency aisle.
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Post by PLurker on Sept 3, 2014 17:41:15 GMT
People tend to disagree on plenty of things. I can understand the differences of opinions with reclining. The behavior that causes flight disruption... not so much. I agree with dumping them in the Atlantic! (ok, at least hold them more accountable.)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2014 17:41:30 GMT
I am sorry, clearly I am a bitch today, given the 2nd post on this thread, and both being argumentative. But, I cannot imagine even for a minute this is what your husband looks like in this situation on a plane. If he does then it is HIS CHOICE to sit like that, He can put his knees down. How do I know this you might ask? My DH is 6'8" and does not need to sit with his knees up like that. That is just silly. Are his legs cramped? YES, Does he have any space? NO When we fly we do fly economy, as that is what our budget allows, he just makes the best of a very uncomfortable position and goes with it. The picture being referred to is just DRAMA. Wow, I guess you've flown with my DH more times that I have. No, he can't put his legs down - there's no where for them to go. He really cannot sit comfortably in a plane. He's also never complained about it or said anything to anyone around him. I just feel bad for him when we fly because he always seems to get a reclining person in front of him. My dh is 6'5" and while uncomfortable while flying he can put his legs down just fine.
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Post by nepean on Sept 3, 2014 17:41:51 GMT
I am sorry, clearly I am a bitch today, given the 2nd post on this thread, and both being argumentative. But, I cannot imagine even for a minute this is what your husband looks like in this situation on a plane. If he does then it is HIS CHOICE to sit like that, He can put his knees down. How do I know this you might ask? My DH is 6'8" and does not need to sit with his knees up like that. That is just silly. Are his legs cramped? YES, Does he have any space? NO When we fly we do fly economy, as that is what our budget allows, he just makes the best of a very uncomfortable position and goes with it. The picture being referred to is just DRAMA. Wow, I guess you've flown with my DH more times that I have. No, he can't put his legs down - there's no where for them to go. He really cannot sit comfortably in a plane. He's also never complained about it or said anything to anyone around him. I just feel bad for him when we fly because he always seems to get a reclining person in front of him. No I haven't flown with your husband, but i have flown with my DH more time than I can count and he is 4 inched taller than your DH and has VERY long legs also. My DH has never had to sit like the picture shows. That would be even more uncomfortable than squeezing his legs in the space between the seats. Like I said, it is uncomfortable, but what can you do?
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Post by Darcy Collins on Sept 3, 2014 17:43:09 GMT
That photo is silly.....who sits on a plane with their knees like that? Pretty much anyone over 6'. Total exaggeration. The man clearly has his ankles at his seat height. You can even see the laces in his shoes. Put your feet on the floor people! My husband is over 6 feet, and an ex-colleague topped 6'5" - even he could still sit in economy. It's not the funnest experience, but that's true whether or not the seat reclines.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2014 17:43:06 GMT
Not much. 
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Post by nepean on Sept 3, 2014 17:45:18 GMT
Not much.  Yep, sadly that is the truth.  I wish we could afford 1st or business class, but alas, no.
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Post by MizIndependent on Sept 3, 2014 17:47:37 GMT
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Post by Darcy Collins on Sept 3, 2014 18:27:06 GMT
Alright - let's layer in a little math for fun. An extremely tall inseam for a man would be 38" (we're talking special order or a big and tall store and you're probably topping 6'6" and/or have a higher than normal % of leg. A cursory search says femur to tibia ratios range from abut 52% to 56% we'll go on the high side and say our tall man has a femur length of 21.3 inches. Now here we're getting a little unscientific. I measured my womanly behind (which I'm going to guess is probably rounder than a typical man's) and from seat back to start of my inseam is 8". So our tall man needs 29.5 inches from the seat back to fit his knees in economy. Now most low cost airlines have downsized from a a stand seat pitch of 33-35 to 31" (particularly on short distance flights). With a 31" pitch and a 1" seat cushion our tall travelers knees brush the chair in front of him. For a longer flight, or less squishy airlines he has an inch or two at most with his back flat against the back of his seat. Uncomfortable, I bet, absolutely no wiggle room - and forget about crossing your legs, it's not going to happen. He chooses one of those crappy 30" pitch airlines, he is definitely going to be uncomfortable. BUT, his knees aren't up by his ears. If your inseam tops 36 inches or you have a particularly rotund behind - you're going to be uncomfortable. But as 74% of passengers say they're not willing to pay more for more legroom - airlines have no incentive to put fewer seats on the plane and charge more.
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Post by MizIndependent on Sept 3, 2014 18:33:17 GMT
You forgot to factor in when the seat in front of you reclines vs the length of the tibia and the seat height from the floor ratio. It isn't just about from the back of your seat to the back of the seat in front of you...  For example, my DH sits in an economy seat with his butt all the way in the seat, feet flat on the floor, his knees not only touch the seat in front of him, they also are higher than the seat he's sitting in, and adjusting for the natural pitch of a seat in its upright position, the 33-35" to 31" drops at least to 32-34" - 30" (and for Alaska Air, it would be 30"). Add to that the seat in front of him reclining and *poof* there goes any hope of space for his legs. He has to sit in the bulkhead or emergency aisle...there is no other way for him to fly economy.
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Post by smokey2471 on Sept 3, 2014 18:43:01 GMT
I heard today it cost around $6000+ when they have to divert or land. This includes airline landingfees, compensating people who miss connections and so forth.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Sept 3, 2014 18:49:25 GMT
You forgot to factor in when the seat in front of you reclines vs the length of the tibia and the seat height from the floor ratio. It isn't just about from the back of your seat to the back of the seat in front of you... But the seat reclines from the top. I tried to find seat height to floor ratio, but no luck. I'd guess they'd be at a pretty average seat height of 20" Based on an inverse tibia length of 44% that would be 16.7 inches - I suppose thick shoes could throw you over the 20". Let's say, he's wearing basketball shoes and his knees are 2" higher than the seat. I can't find any total heights of seats, so I'm going purely on memory and flying zillions of miles on United - I'd guess the seatback is 30" higher than the seat bottom. Now particularly the crappy seats, now won't recline more than 2" which is measured from the TOP. So the "lost" leg room at the gentleman's knee height (being 2" ABOVE) seat height would be about 0.13 inches. ETA - I would say at 6'7" your husband would have to wedge himself in on Alaska with a 30" pitch and not move. No doubt - the airline seats were NOT built for 6'7" - I'm merely putting some numbers around the contention that ANYONE will be looking like that gentleman in the OP (which was clearly hyperbole) or that a 6' man with an average inseam of 34" isn't going to fit. He will - but again if he's got a big behind, he many not fit real well.
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