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Post by mom on Dec 6, 2017 0:04:45 GMT
WTF is her issue? Seriously. Get a clue Becky. Jo doesn't want to be your friend.
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Post by refugeepea on Dec 6, 2017 0:06:30 GMT
Also, Becky had Mormon missionaries in the office today to help her send out copies of the Book of Mormon to customers and followers who had expressed interest. She also went on to say she'd be happy to send a copy to anyone wanting one. This means I'm officially breaking up with BH. I don't support businesses that proselytise so I'll be using up my current stash of BH page protectors and moving on to another brand after that. She has to be out of her ever loving mind if that's The Book of Mormon! I am leaning towards photo book. I cannot see her being that blatant when she wants to make a business deal. As a Mormon, who no longer believes I hope she realizes many Christian denominations do not consider Mormons Christians. There's no need to get into the validity of that belief on this thread, but that's how most feel. I do believe she is very sincere in the spiritual prompting, God in both our lives thing. I do not think it will persuade Joanna in any way. |
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Post by refugeepea on Dec 6, 2017 0:16:45 GMT
Also, Becky had Mormon missionaries in the office today to help her send out copies of the Book of Mormon to customers and followers who had expressed interest. She also went on to say she'd be happy to send a copy to anyone wanting one. This means I'm officially breaking up with BH. I don't support businesses that proselytise so I'll be using up my current stash of BH page protectors and moving on to another brand after that. It doesn't necessarily bother me that she is sending them out if interest is expressed. What concerns me is if some of those are sent out because of a "spiritual prompting", there was a compliment about her religion (so they must want one), etc.. I say this as someone who is no longer active. Who has said multiple times I am fine. I don't need anything. I have had letters, phone calls, people coming to my door (with a sign that specifically says no religious soliciting!). I don't want to bash. I love a majority of the members, it's the leadership. No MEANS no!  That would be my concern in expressing wanting a Book or Mormon. Then the missionaries come to your home. You decide you are not interested. You say no and they leave you alone. UNTIL the next set of missionaries are new to your area because they have your address. Ask me how I know! It is terribly, terribly unorganized. ETA: Meant to say UNorganized! |
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Post by ihaveonly1l on Dec 6, 2017 1:16:08 GMT
If people ask for a book by all means send it...the thing I find weird is that she says she will send out a book because she's moved to do that but then has others come in and do the work for that. I would think those missionaries have other work to do not necessarily complete an offer Becky made to her followers. Is that odd or am I being too judgey?
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Post by refugeepea on Dec 6, 2017 1:19:37 GMT
If people ask for a book by all means send it...the thing I find weird is that she says she will send out a book because she's moved to do that but then has others come in and do the work for that. I would think those missionaries have other work to do not necessarily complete an offer Becky made to her followers. Is that odd or am I being too judgey? Missionary work is shrinking in a big way in the U.S. with the advent of the internet. They were probably happy to help. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2017 1:23:21 GMT
I can't see your image, finaledition . I did just look through Becky's IG to figure out what you may have been trying to show us. I guess the screenshot below is it?   Also, Becky had Mormon missionaries in the office today to help her send out copies of the Book of Mormon to customers and followers who had expressed interest. She also went on to say she'd be happy to send a copy to anyone wanting one. This means I'm officially breaking up with BH. I don't support businesses that proselytise so I'll be using up my current stash of BH page protectors and moving on to another brand after that. Ramen. Her feed these days looks like a preacher's, not a scrapbooker's, or even a "lifestyle guru's". WTF? Get ordained and preach, Becky. Oh, right, only men in the "priesthood". |
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Post by ihaveonly1l on Dec 6, 2017 1:27:43 GMT
If people ask for a book by all means send it...the thing I find weird is that she says she will send out a book because she's moved to do that but then has others come in and do the work for that. I would think those missionaries have other work to do not necessarily complete an offer Becky made to her followers. Is that odd or am I being too judgey? Missionary work is shrinking in a big way in the U.S. with the advent of the internet. They were probably happy to help. Good to know! I'll stop now  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2017 1:32:12 GMT
If people ask for a book by all means send it...the thing I find weird is that she says she will send out a book because she's moved to do that but then has others come in and do the work for that. I would think those missionaries have other work to do not necessarily complete an offer Becky made to her followers. Is that odd or am I being too judgey? Missionary work is shrinking in a big way in the U.S. with the advent of the internet. They were probably happy to help. Maybe that's why BH and others use their platforms for so much proselytizing. If you can't convert them via door-to-door missions, convert them w/"internet missions". Other Christian denominations seem to have noticed the LDS' aptitude for "internet missions". "Mormonism differs sharply from orthodox Christianity in its beliefs on key doctrines like Christology and soteriology. When people ask questions about Christianity, Mormons are quick to give them answers, but the answers are wrong. Orthodox Christians need to learn how to improve their online presence to compete with this false gospel. " www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/how-mormons-are-winning-the-internet/And another: "The Facebook of Mormon Since 2010, the Mormon Church has been conducting, largely in secret, an experiment: What happens when missionaries can use the Internet for their work?" www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/01/the-facebook-of-mormon/283467/More here: 2peasrefugees.boards.net/thread/100800/ |
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Post by artisticscrapper on Dec 6, 2017 2:21:01 GMT
I know I wouldn’t want a Book of Mormon but if Becky’s handing out tickets to the play I’d be in.
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Post by GiantsFan on Dec 6, 2017 2:49:08 GMT
I know I wouldn’t want a Book of Mormon but if Becky’s handing out tickets to the play I’d be in.  |
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Post by christieamber on Dec 6, 2017 2:49:10 GMT
It's all just so very awkward... and doesn't give off a good vibe as a "visionary" or business owner.
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Post by lasteve1 on Dec 6, 2017 4:08:08 GMT
I can't see your image, finaledition . I did just look through Becky's IG to figure out what you may have been trying to show us. I guess the screenshot below is it? Also, Becky had Mormon missionaries in the office today to help her send out copies of the Book of Mormon to customers and followers who had expressed interest. She also went on to say she'd be happy to send a copy to anyone wanting one. This means I'm officially breaking up with BH. I don't support businesses that proselytise so I'll be using up my current stash of BH page protectors and moving on to another brand after that. She has had a page on her website for awhile now that gives you info on the Book of Mormon and has a link to request a free copy. |
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Post by gigi333 on Dec 6, 2017 5:33:46 GMT
I don’t like her pl pockets at all
I love the wrmk ones and echo park
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Post by anniefb on Dec 6, 2017 5:52:28 GMT
Every time I open this thread BH is getting more stalkerish.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2017 8:26:04 GMT
Missionary work is shrinking in a big way in the U.S. with the advent of the internet. They were probably happy to help. Maybe that's why BH and others use their platforms for so much proselytizing. If you can't convert them via door-to-door missions, convert them w/"internet missions". Other Christian denominations seem to have noticed the LDS' aptitude for "internet missions". "Mormonism differs sharply from orthodox Christianity in its beliefs on key doctrines like Christology and soteriology. When people ask questions about Christianity, Mormons are quick to give them answers, but the answers are wrong. Orthodox Christians need to learn how to improve their online presence to compete with this false gospel. " www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/how-mormons-are-winning-the-internet/And another: "The Facebook of Mormon Since 2010, the Mormon Church has been conducting, largely in secret, an experiment: What happens when missionaries can use the Internet for their work?" www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/01/the-facebook-of-mormon/283467/As an Orthodox I am too peaceful and spiritual to go around harassing people online to convert to my way of thinking. I guess I am an oddity I respect all religions except the pushy stalkerish ones. This reminds me of the time I was on the Cricut board. We were asking for religious symbol cartridge. I asked for more Russian Orthodox. This Mormon lady just flipped and said nobody wanted any Muslim Jew symbols. According to the Mormon's I am a Muslim Jew! Joanna is Evangelical. I live in Evangelical country. I live right in the heart of it. This is what I see of my friends, neighbors and people who I have grown up around but Most Evangelical's really don't do business with other individuals who advertise their religion. What I mean by this is that Becky's brand is Mormon and she wants to be seen as a Mormon. She can stalk Joanna as much as she wants or until the police show up but Joanna will not want cross-over religion in her company that is known to be an Evangelical company. I am hoping I am making sense. I am super dyslexic today. It is kind of hard to explain but probably what a lot of Mormon businesses are like in Utah. Plus Evangelical's have their own missionary work with their own tenets. I don't understand why Becky is doing all of this. She couldn't be that addicted to being a celebrity scrapbook star. Her star is fading. She will be ok. She will survive. I am not being flippant or snarky about this. She is acting like Lindsey Lohan when she started to fade and implode. Except drinking and drugs Becky is using social media and stalking. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2017 14:11:06 GMT
Interesting perspective, @amayalylac I'm not sure I would call it "stalking" but it's definitely "off", IMO and doing more harm than good for BH's business.
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Post by Ohno on Dec 6, 2017 16:18:32 GMT
Joanna is Evangelical. I live in Evangelical country. I live right in the heart of it. This is what I see of my friends, neighbors and people who I have grown up around but Most Evangelical's really don't do business with other individuals who advertise their religion. What I mean by this is that Becky's brand is Mormon and she wants to be seen as a Mormon. She can stalk Joanna as much as she wants or until the police show up but Joanna will not want cross-over religion in her company that is known to be an Evangelical company. I am hoping I am making sense. I am super dyslexic today. It is kind of hard to explain but probably what a lot of Mormon businesses are like in Utah. Plus Evangelical's have their own missionary work with their own tenets. I don't understand why Becky is doing all of this. She couldn't be that addicted to being a celebrity scrapbook star. Her star is fading. She will be ok. She will survive. I am not being flippant or snarky about this. She is acting like Lindsey Lohan when she started to fade and implode. Except drinking and drugs Becky is using social media and stalking. I think you got this exactly right. I know of no evangelical who would team up professionally with someone who promoted another religion. They could be friends, they could do business with each other, but would not want to be seen as helping to promote another religion. I feel like Becky's motive is strictly financial. (Doesn't her doctor husband make enough money? Or maybe there's never enough money?) |
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Post by scrapnnana on Dec 6, 2017 17:11:44 GMT
amayalylac, I am really stunned at the one Mormon woman's comment, since most Mormons know the difference between Orthodox, Muslims, and Jews, at least the many of my acquaintance. I don't know how long ago that happened to you, but in recent General Conferences of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (commonly called Mormons), the members were told to be kind and welcoming to immigrants and refugees, and to remember that Jesus Christ was a refugee and had no place to lay His head.
I know a few Mormons who are more outgoing when it comes to sharing their faith, but I would hope that Becky was only sending a Book of Mormon to those who had indeed expressed an interest and asked questions. As for Joanna Gaines, I would be surprised if Becky sent her both an album and a Book of Mormon under the circumstances.
I lived next door to an Evangelical family for at least 18 years back in Virginia. Now that I live in Texas, I am sure many of my new neighbors are Evangelical. I know of one family that is. They very kindly invited us to come to their church. We thanked them, and took their card, but left it at that since we are happy with our own faith. And yes, I am "Mormon." I try to treat others with kindness, and I hope for the same in return.
For those who have no interest, it's okay to say, "No." Whether Evangelical, Mormon, or some other faith, many of those who want to share their faith are doing so because they are happy in it. That's all. Most have no expectations and are not going to be upset if you say that you are not interested and want to be left alone.
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Post by joblackford on Dec 6, 2017 19:48:14 GMT
@zingermack thanks for sharing those articles -quite interesting to me as an atheist. I've turned away missionaries from my door at least 3 times in the past month, and have a lot of feelings about changes they might be making.
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Post by all5ofme on Dec 6, 2017 19:56:07 GMT
BH jumped the shark a long time ago.
She started out with an awesome product way back when you could buy the whole PL kit for reaonable price on Amazon. Then she got greedy, broke it apart to where you had to purchase each item separately and then oversaturated the market with too many product lines of PL. I don't even think PL was her original idea and it stemmed from the 365 Photo Project. As a move to keep creating income, she has attached her name to whatever she can, thinking her fans will buy it just because she peddles it. Sorry BH, Magnolia probably has more requests for business associations than you can shake a stick at and I seriously doubt you would even be their top 100 interests.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Dec 6, 2017 20:35:54 GMT
Looks like I opened a can of Christian worms when I said I would no longer purchase anything from BH due to her using her business to proselytise. I didn't mean to point fingers and start a discussion about "true" Christians or whatever.
So, just to clear my side of things up: I don't care which religion BH practices and how she might prompt people to look into her faith as a private citizen. Aa a business owner, things are very different from my typical young European citizen perspective. That's a big no-no in my eyes and I can make the decision to walk away from that business as a customer. I am not putting money into someone's business if they're going to use their business office, business supplies, business time and business platform (such as social media) to proselytise. Churches get enough tax cuts and benefits to do that as a full-time occupation and business.
I don't financially support businesses who decide to use their business platform to encourage their customers to look into the owner's faith. That's all. I don't care which brand of God/Goddess/Divine Power/Energy Supreme the owner believes in.
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Post by dasmith2 on Dec 6, 2017 20:52:39 GMT
I can't see your image, finaledition . I did just look through Becky's IG to figure out what you may have been trying to show us. I guess the screenshot below is it? Also, Becky had Mormon missionaries in the office today to help her send out copies of the Book of Mormon to customers and followers who had expressed interest. She also went on to say she'd be happy to send a copy to anyone wanting one. This means I'm officially breaking up with BH. I don't support businesses that proselytise so I'll be using up my current stash of BH page protectors and moving on to another brand after that. I tried looking at her Instagram but I couldn't find this picture. Where do I look? I don't know my way around Instagram. |
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Post by sleepingbooty on Dec 6, 2017 21:19:14 GMT
I tried looking at her Instagram but I couldn't find this picture. Where do I look? I don't know my way around Instagram. The picture in question is a screenshot from a video she posted on Instagram Stories which is the built-in Snapchat-like feature in IG. These IG Stories disappear automatically *poof* after 24h. The video I got this from is no longer accessible. To view someone's IG Stories, you need to navigate the Stories timeline at the very top of your feed or click the round profile picture of that person (their profile picture will have a bright fuchsia pink-mango orange outline if they've posted any IG Stories in the past 24h). If you're trying to access Stories through a web browser, things get more complicated. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2017 8:59:08 GMT
sleepingbooty it is a good can of worms to open. It is a healthy discussion. I am like you I will not support a company who uses their business to promote their religious platform. What Becky is doing professionally is going to start looking really bad on AC. I was thinking about this today. Do you all think that maybe Becky has some jealousy problems? I am wondering if she is looking at Heidi Swapp's career and thinking to herself they both started at the same time but Heidi is starting to be considered a real celebrity. You got Amy Tangerine IG photo's with her and Reese. I am wondering if she has some green eye monster thing going on over the other girls who are with American Crafts. Joanna ends her show. Is starting pretty much a new Martha Stewart trajectory. This was expected. I was betting on either Joanna or Pioneer Lady when Martha Stewart started scaling back. The industry needs a new celebrity lifestyle guru. I am sure the industry has been preparing the two ladies for awhile now. I think Becky had some fantasies she could be a lifestyle Martha. I don't think she is fangirling Joanna. I think she is super jealous of Joanna. scrapnnana No worries. I thought the woman was a hateful person any way. She doesn't reflect the majority I know that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2017 14:20:30 GMT
Also, Becky had Mormon missionaries in the office today to help her send out copies of the Book of Mormon to customers and followers who had expressed interest. She also went on to say she'd be happy to send a copy to anyone wanting one. This means I'm officially breaking up with BH. I don't support businesses that proselytise so I'll be using up my current stash of BH page protectors and moving on to another brand after that. As a Mormon, who no longer believes I hope she realizes many Christian denominations do not consider Mormons Christians. Off thread topic, but so interesting that you mention this. I stumbled across a BYU radio station on XM radio yesterday and the host said "Christmas is meaningless without kids" to his panel of students that he was interviewing.That comment took me by surprise. (They were discussing travels and trips to Disneyland, and the host had mentioned his trips were more meaningful because he took his children when he visited the park. Some of the guests on his show had said they loved going with their friends and it wasn't someplace they wanted to take children. Then he made the statement I quoted him saying above.) |
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Post by refugeepea on Dec 7, 2017 21:18:45 GMT
I stumbled across a BYU radio station on XM radio yesterday and the host said "Christmas is meaningless without kids" to his panel of students that he was interviewing.That comment took me by surprise. (They were discussing travels and trips to Disneyland, and the host had mentioned his trips were more meaningful because he took his children when he visited the park. Some of the guests on his show had said they loved going with their friends and it wasn't someplace they wanted to take children. Then he made the statement I quoted him saying above.) That's just weird! As a mom of kids with special needs, Christmas is really no longer fun. It's okay, but different. I'd like to know what kind of life he lives. I have ran into people like this, but I truly don't think it's a Mormon mindset. |
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Post by refugeepea on Dec 7, 2017 21:21:25 GMT
I am hoping I am making sense. I am super dyslexic today. It is kind of hard to explain but probably what a lot of Mormon businesses are like in Utah. No, they are not like that. The only shunning I can see happening is if another business is vocally anti-Mormon. Jewish, Christian, Evangelical, etc... they shop everywhere. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2017 21:25:09 GMT
I stumbled across a BYU radio station on XM radio yesterday and the host said "Christmas is meaningless without kids" to his panel of students that he was interviewing.That comment took me by surprise. (They were discussing travels and trips to Disneyland, and the host had mentioned his trips were more meaningful because he took his children when he visited the park. Some of the guests on his show had said they loved going with their friends and it wasn't someplace they wanted to take children. Then he made the statement I quoted him saying above.) That's just weird! As a mom of kids with special needs, Christmas is really no longer fun. It's okay, but different. I'd like to know what kind of life he lives. I have ran into people like this, but I truly don't think it's a Mormon mindset. I was just flipping channels and stopped to listen because he was first talking about how millennials in that part of the country aren't branching out and moving away, and there is a real tight housing market there. Anyway, it caught my attention. I don't have any real knowledge of being a Mormon, so I just thought it was an interesting point of view. Thank you for responding . 🙂 |
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Post by sleepingbooty on Dec 7, 2017 22:29:31 GMT
I stumbled across a BYU radio station on XM radio yesterday and the host said "Christmas is meaningless without kids" to his panel of students that he was interviewing.That comment took me by surprise. (They were discussing travels and trips to Disneyland, and the host had mentioned his trips were more meaningful because he took his children when he visited the park. Some of the guests on his show had said they loved going with their friends and it wasn't someplace they wanted to take children. Then he made the statement I quoted him saying above.) I don't have children. My SO doesn't have children. We love Christmas and we're going to Disneyland Paris this December so erm... There are plenty enough adults without children at Disneyland and many academic studies and books analysing the roots of (modern) Christmas to easily disprove the child-centric statements made by this clearly uneducated host. Christmas only became a celebration in which children were placed at the centre of it very recently. Gosh, don't get me started on all the funny stories about men dressing as women and the Pope (was it Pope Felix II? #IcouldcheckbutIamlazy) trying to tame Christmas celebrations only two decades after the Church officially declared it the feast of Christ's birth back in the 4th century by Pope Julius I #gotonePoperight #Ithink. People were drinking and eating excessively (and, let me repeat it, men dressing up as women ), not piling up toys under a pine tree.  Also, this host needs to look up the word meaning in the dictionary. 'Nuff said. *goes back to checking Christmas parade schedule at Disneyland* Obiously, adults who don't have children do not live less meaningful lives nor do they experience contemporary society's child-centric feasts and places less because they don't have children. But I guess I should just go back to the club and take some recreational drugs because, clearly, I'm not a proper adult and won't "get it" until I do end up accidentally having a kid or something-something.  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2017 22:58:22 GMT
I stumbled across a BYU radio station on XM radio yesterday and the host said " Christmas is meaningless without kids" to his panel of students that he was interviewing.That comment took me by surprise. (They were discussing travels and trips to Disneyland, and the host had mentioned his trips were more meaningful because he took his children when he visited the park. Some of the guests on his show had said they loved going with their friends and it wasn't someplace they wanted to take children. Then he made the statement I quoted him saying above.) That's just weird! As a mom of kids with special needs, Christmas is really no longer fun. It's okay, but different. I'd like to know what kind of life he lives. I have ran into people like this, but I truly don't think it's a Mormon mindset. F#(*$# that noise!!!! Signed -A Mom who is tired of seeing non-moms treated as abnormal or less than. |
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