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Post by revirdsuba99 on Dec 6, 2017 18:39:35 GMT
His body language - delivering this controversial message with folded arms- is very odd indeed. Someone may have told him to stick to the script! And Pence was there to smack him if he didn't........... maybe.......
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Post by carhoch on Dec 6, 2017 18:41:51 GMT
OK, I'm done conversing with you as well. People here love to poke the puppy and you're calling me Lauren just to do that. Not interesting in continuing a conversation with people whose goal is to intentionally poke. By the way it’s hard to take you seriously when you say stuff like that when you do it yourself all the time 
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Post by #notLauren on Dec 6, 2017 18:49:48 GMT
Will there ever be a "good" time to move the Embassy? If history is any teacher, the answer is "no". When it comes to the Jews and Israel, the time is never "right".
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Post by anniebygaslight on Dec 6, 2017 18:55:29 GMT
OK, I'm done conversing with you as well. People here love to poke the puppy and you're calling me Lauren just to do that. Not interesting in continuing a conversation with people whose goal is to intentionally poke. I'll get over it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2017 18:56:45 GMT
The West does not understand the Middle East and they never have. Just about every time the West meddles to make things better it goes sideways.
President Obama appeared to be the first of the US Presidents to understand when he said before we commit to get involved do we have an answer to the guestion “then what?”
Think for a minute about what happened after any country from the West thought they knew how to fix whatever ailed a particular part of Middle East. How many asked and answered the question “then what?” after they mettled? Few.
Now we have trump who is either intellectually lazy or incredibly dumb and who, by his own words, thinks he is very smart making a decision that he didn’t ask/answer the question “then what?” And I suspect his advisers didn’t ask or answer the question either. Not that trump would have listened to him if they had.
trump has made the announcement and we will see the consequences of not answering the question “then what?”
By the way you would think by now trump would have learned how to give a prepared speech without looking like a 5 year old trying to pronounce big words. The network interrupted my program for his announcement. I had the TV on mute so I got the full affect of watching without listening to him talk and it was just plain weird.
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Post by MizIndependent on Dec 6, 2017 19:01:55 GMT
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Post by jennyap on Dec 6, 2017 19:09:00 GMT
So...not a word about the Jerusalem Embassy Act which passed the 104th Congress in 1995 by an overwhelming majority (Senate 93–5,House 374–37)? Okay. Check page 1 again
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Post by MizIndependent on Dec 6, 2017 19:12:53 GMT
Thanks Jenny! I did totally miss that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2017 20:06:33 GMT
Is England willing to give up Northern Ireland? . Before you get on your high horse to try and justify your argument, the majority of the people of Northern Ireland don't want to be part of the Irish Republic. England is not holding anyone to ransom there they have a democratic vote.
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Post by gar on Dec 6, 2017 20:21:28 GMT
Not interesting in continuing a conversation with people whose goal is to intentionally poke. 
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2017 20:26:46 GMT
But, does that matter? Does the desire of Northern Irelanders justify a foreign government from ruling them? I'm willing to bet the majority of Jerusalemers (don't know if that's the right word) believe Jerusalem is the capital of Israel and should be recognized as such. You don't make any sense. You need to brush up on your history if you're going to argue this point. Northern Ireland, as it is now known, did not or indeed want to, join the Republic of Ireland when they were given their independence in 1921....they still do not wish to join the Republic of Ireland.So they don't have a "foreign" government governing them. Find another topic because you obviously don't know what your talking about.
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Post by lucyg on Dec 6, 2017 20:44:13 GMT
Okay, but also keep in mind ... it's easy for Congress to pass whatever they like when they know the President isn't going to follow through on it. Weren't there over 50 successful votes to repeal the ACA while Obama was president and refused to sign it? As soon as Trump took over, suddenly they couldn't get the votes, and even among those who did vote to repeal, many were praying it wouldn't pass. This is a bad idea because it's lighting a match to the Middle Eastern tinderbox. Not because it isn't right or just. That's why past presidents and congresses have supported the idea, but never truly followed through. Either he is an unthinking idiot, or he likes the idea of keeping the whole world on the edge of WWIII for his own self-serving purposes.
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Post by Zee on Dec 6, 2017 21:34:08 GMT
I can understand why we should not move the Embassy. What I can't understand, is why we SHOULD. Who cares if it's in Jerusalem or Tel Aviv? Why did we need an act of Congress about it in the first place? What am I missing? Keep in mind I'm not one to get heavily invested in politics and the whole Jerusalem belongs to Israel thing bothers me just as much as taking all the Native American land away. We can't undo that one, but if the Native Americans came together as one tribe and wanted half of D.C. as their capitol I couldn't really say they didn't have a valid point. Why is only Israel in the right? Why does the US seem to take that view while much of Europe seems to get that the Palestinians might be entitled to some compromise? I gather it has something to do with Christians feeling the Jews need to be in the Holy Land so all of Christ's followers can be included in the Rapture, or some religious nonsensical argument like that, what do I know.
My treehouse hermitage in Oregon sounds more and more appealing. Or maybe I'll disappear down a cave, that sounds good too.
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Post by #notLauren on Dec 6, 2017 21:48:27 GMT
The Israelis care; you know, those people who actually live in there.
And stop telling me I don't know what I'm talking about simply because you don't agree with what I'm saying.
So, Northern Ireland doesn't "want" to be part of Ireland so they get to bow out and be a part of England. (of course this ignores the whole "26+1 = 1 movement which has for decades been trying to unite all of Ireland).
Yet, the Jews in Israel and Jerusalem don't want to give part of Jerusalem (their capital city) to the Palestinians or anyone else. So, why should they be forced to do so?
The two situations are not as different as you'd like to make us think they are.
As far as the comment "we can't undo that one"; why not? And if we can't or are unwilling to undo the situation in our own country, why do we feel we have the right to force another country to cede part of it's capital to another group or country?
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Dec 6, 2017 21:58:30 GMT
A Christian perspective from several heads-of-churches (includes Episcopalian and several Catholic rites, so Roman Catholic archbishop is listed as "Latin") who actually LIVE AND WORK in Jerusalem.
They're agin' it. Worth a read.
Another example that American Evangelicals don't speak for all Christians.
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Post by #notLauren on Dec 6, 2017 22:05:04 GMT
OK, I'm done conversing with you as well. People here love to poke the puppy and you're calling me Lauren just to do that. Not interesting in continuing a conversation with people whose goal is to intentionally poke. By the way it’s hard to take you seriously when you say stuff like that when you do it yourself all the time  Here's my problem. I'm between a rock and a hard place. If I respond to people who call me "Lauren", then people here will say "see, she really is Lauren. She's responding to people who call her that". or, if I ignore it, people say "see, she knows I'm right, that's why she's not responding". So, I make the comment I did, which you find so funny and I get comments like yours. You can't win with the Peas. So, I'm choosing not to respond to people who call me a name that is not mine. Make of it what you will.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2017 22:09:42 GMT
And stop telling me I don't know what I'm talking about simply because you don't agree with what I'm saying. So, Northern Ireland doesn't "want" to be part of Ireland so they get to bow out and be a part of England. (of course this ignores the whole "26+1 = 1 movement which has for decades been trying to unite all of Ireland).
You mean by the IRA method. I disagree with you because you've got your facts wrong.
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Post by #notLauren on Dec 6, 2017 22:11:08 GMT
The IRA method is very much like the Muslim terrorist method.
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Post by anniebygaslight on Dec 6, 2017 22:28:21 GMT
The IRA method is very much like the Muslim terrorist method. And very much like the methods used by the Irgun movement in Palestine.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2017 22:33:01 GMT
A Christian perspective from several heads-of-churches (includes Episcopalian and several Catholic rites, so Roman Catholic archbishop is listed as "Latin") who actually LIVE AND WORK in Jerusalem. They're agin' it. Worth a read. Another example that American Evangelicals don't speak for all Christians. Trump doesn't think the Armenian Catholic Church is Catholic It blows ones mind what he comes out with next. Does he seriously think that they are not the same Catholics, surely not.The Catholic Church in Armenia is part of the worldwide Catholic Church, under the spiritual leadership of the Pope in Rome.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2017 22:46:54 GMT
The IRA method is very much like the Muslim terrorist method. And very much like the methods used by the Irgun movement in Palestine. Who were responsible for the bomb attack at the King David Hotel which housed the British administrative headquarters for Palestine in 1946. And I'm sure #notLauren has heard of Kach and Kahane Chai Israeli terrorist groups who attempted to bomb a girls high school and a hospital in East Jerusalem.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Dec 6, 2017 23:06:10 GMT
A Christian perspective from several heads-of-churches (includes Episcopalian and several Catholic rites, so Roman Catholic archbishop is listed as "Latin") who actually LIVE AND WORK in Jerusalem. They're agin' it. Worth a read. Another example that American Evangelicals don't speak for all Christians. Trump doesn't think the Armenian Catholic Church is Catholic It blows ones mind what he comes out with next. Does he seriously think that they are not the same Catholics, surely not.The Catholic Church in Armenia is part of the worldwide Catholic Church, under the spiritual leadership of the Pope in Rome. What a dope. Admittedly, I used the term "Roman Catholic" because it's shorthand for what we commonly think of as the Catholic Church, but you're right: several of the clergy who signed that letter (maybe all - I'd have to read it again) are in the Latin Rite and recognize the Holy See. (The more I think about it, I'm not sure who the "Latin Patriarchate" represents. Yes, I have failed my 12 years of Catholic education yet again. LOL.) BUT no matter what western or orthodox rite they're from, and whether they recognize Rome or not: SO WHAT? Nincompoop.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 6, 2017 23:13:05 GMT
OK, I'm done conversing with you as well. People here love to poke the puppy and you're calling me Lauren just to do that. Not interesting in continuing a conversation with people whose goal is to intentionally poke. Says one of the biggest (or is it bigly) pokers of all on this board.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2017 23:18:04 GMT
Trump doesn't think the Armenian Catholic Church is Catholic It blows ones mind what he comes out with next. Does he seriously think that they are not the same Catholics, surely not.The Catholic Church in Armenia is part of the worldwide Catholic Church, under the spiritual leadership of the Pope in Rome. What a dope. Admittedly, I used the term "Roman Catholic" because it's shorthand for what we commonly think of as the Catholic Church, but you're right: several of the clergy who signed that letter (maybe all - I'd have to read it again) are in the Latin Rite and recognize the Holy See. And even if they don't, and are from an Eastern Orthodox rite that doesn't recognize Rome: SO WHAT? Nincompoop. It's inter changeable here too some say Catholic,some say Roman Catholic, both mean the same. They're both in communion with Rome.
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Post by annabella on Dec 7, 2017 0:10:41 GMT
Putting politics aside, moving an embassy costs a lot of money, you don’t just rent out an office building you have to build a secure compound. It’s absurd to go do this just for the sake of it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2017 0:29:19 GMT
I read that the Wunderkid Israel-Palestine Fixer is against this move. But it was strongly pushed by the Religious Zealot President in Waiting. And "Mother," no doubt. (And is it just me who looks askance at the rabid evangelical allegiance to Israel? Seems to me it has very little to do with Judaism or the Right of Return - except as those things inform their own salvation, including Jerusalem's role in the "second coming." Always seems like a strange bedfellows thing...) I wouldn't be one bit surprised if Trump kept this in his back pocket for when he needed a distraction. And how timely since now Kushner seems to be getting tangled up with this annoying collusion investigation. I wouldn't put it past this big bully to be trying to make a statement to Kushner.
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Post by lesley on Dec 7, 2017 0:41:05 GMT
The Israelis care; you know, those people who actually live in there. And stop telling me I don't know what I'm talking about simply because you don't agree with what I'm saying. So, Northern Ireland doesn't "want" to be part of Ireland so they get to bow out and be a part of England. (of course this ignores the whole "26+1 = 1 movement which has for decades been trying to unite all of Ireland). Yet, the Jews in Israel and Jerusalem don't want to give part of Jerusalem (their capital city) to the Palestinians or anyone else. So, why should they be forced to do so? The two situations are not as different as you'd like to make us think they are. As far as the comment "we can't undo that one"; why not? And if we can't or are unwilling to undo the situation in our own country, why do we feel we have the right to force another country to cede part of it's capital to another group or country? No, they don't get to be a part of England. England is its own country, and one of four that make up the United Kingdom. Scotland, England, Wales and Northern Ireland. The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. It's not difficult.
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Post by cookiemum on Dec 7, 2017 0:56:41 GMT
Note that the pressure is on him regarding his collusion with the Russians, so once again he does something else outrageous to distract us. He is counting on people pushing his crimes to the back in order to be outraged about this. This x1000. DH and were talking about it this morning. Deflect, deflect, deflect and if people get hurt in the process? Welp, that's too bad. I don't even have words to express what I think of 45 and his ilk.
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Post by monklady123 on Dec 7, 2017 2:16:00 GMT
Also, this is one of those things that is easy to say and not as easy to do. I feel like trump just says stuff -- probably to appease his base -- and then loses interest when he moves on to the next thing. To move an embassy is not something done overnight. Never mind all the other logistics there's the small matter of having to build it in Jerusalem. But where will it be built. After all those negotiations then they have to start digging. And do you know what happens in Israel when anyone starts digging? They find stuff. Old stuff. And the archeologists descend and halt construction for ages while they see what's been found. It will take a long time, and meanwhile....what? trump has done is part to destabilize the region even more than it already is.
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Post by mimima on Dec 7, 2017 2:18:13 GMT
A Christian perspective from several heads-of-churches (includes Episcopalian and several Catholic rites, so Roman Catholic archbishop is listed as "Latin") who actually LIVE AND WORK in Jerusalem. They're agin' it. Worth a read. Another example that American Evangelicals don't speak for all Christians. And Orthodox.
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