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Post by JaneB on Jan 17, 2018 17:16:04 GMT
From 20 February 2018 YouTube is changing the rules on monetising a channel. New requirements to join the Partner Programme and thereby have adverts is 4,000 hours watch time and 1,000 subscribers within the past 12 months. YouTube say it's to weed out "bad actors" and and better protect creators. YouTube blog post. I don't have ads on my videos so it's a moot point for me. But 4,000 hours watch time for smaller scrapbook channels seems quite steep. Then again perhaps there isn't much return if your watch time is lower anyway? From what I've seen around the web so far it appears a litle harsh; channels that made the grade with lifetime views even with small subscriber numbers are being thrown out of the program, even after being able to monetise. I wonder if it will make any difference to some of the people we love to watch? |
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Post by wendifful on Jan 17, 2018 17:21:46 GMT
Interesting. Yeah, that does seem a little steep. Plus, 1K subscribers? That's not easy in a limited field like scrapbooking! I know most of the people I tend to watch are more established (like Jennifer McGuire), so I'm sure it won't affect them, but yeah, it might discourage new channels from starting. Thanks for sharing about this.
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Post by anniefb on Jan 17, 2018 17:26:26 GMT
I hadn't heard about this but it does seem bit harsh for those wanting to start out in a smaller field.
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Post by paperaddict on Jan 17, 2018 17:27:39 GMT
Very interesting. Would you explain to me how people make money from a YouTube channel? I thought most scrapbooks/cardmakers made most of their money from their affiliate links and only a small percentage by the number of views and subscribers. Our scrapbooking industry is small so the highest number of subscribers is most likely 350,000 (Kristine Warner) while in the make up industry, people have millions of subscribers. I think this change in policy may affect a few of scrapbooks I watch on youtube.
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Post by Prenticekid on Jan 17, 2018 18:21:21 GMT
Just a reaction to the new requirement in general. It is going to suck for those of us who watch smaller YouTubers. Many YouTubers already produce inane, boring, repetitive "content" just to get clicks, it can only get worse. I've accepted that as part of their process to make a few dollars, but we lose out as subscribers when they lose any uniqueness they may have had just trying to drum up their numbers because they are overly invested in their analytics - to the point they tell us they are watching their analytics and doing what they do based on them. We started watching them for a reason, and I wish they'd just stick with whatever that was. Some YouTubers are actually going to Patreon as a back up to all of the rules YouTube has. One mentioned that YouTube just arbitrarily will de-monetize her videos the day they are posted, then re-monitize them at a later date. By then she has lost the momentum of a freshly released video.
I know some people do, but I don't watch Youtube to get slick, movie quality productions. I just want to watch people and scrapbookers do their thing.
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Post by JaneB on Jan 17, 2018 18:35:05 GMT
Would you explain to me how people make money from a YouTube channel? I can't, not completely because I don't do it. However, I understand that the video creator can allow ads and I've heard that if people let the ad play for around half/two-thirds of the time instead of skipping immediately they can, the channel owner gets some money. I've not looked into it closely so I've not seen anyone say how much they get, and often channel owners will say it's not very much. I did consider working towards monetising but not with the new requirements; I doubt I'll ever reach those heady heights. Also, I'm not keen on ads myself so why make my viewers watch them? I'll tolerate the ads at the beginning of a video and let them play but I dislike the ones plonked into the middle of videos, especially if they are louder than the video content. |
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Post by thracian on Jan 17, 2018 18:37:00 GMT
I got the email that I don't qualify to meet the new requirements. I've been YouTubing since 2015 and have earned about $35 through monetizing. They don't pay out until you reach $100, so I don't know if I lose the money altogether or if it will sit in limbo somewhere until I qualify (if ever). I just checked my stats, and I'm nowhere near the watch time stats. Also only about halfway to the required subscribers.
It was kind of demoralizing at first, but now eh. I'll just keep on doing what I'm doing. I wasn't getting money before, so no big deal. I'm a very small fish, though. I'm sure there are others who are much closer to the new requirements who will be affected.
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Post by steakgoddess on Jan 17, 2018 19:12:19 GMT
I was actually thinking about monetizing because I met the requirements before the change and I just hit 500 subscribers, so I was feeling pretty good about myself.
This change doesn't really effect me, but I do feel bad for those that it does. It just stinks.
I wonder if this will push more YouTubers to Patreon. I hope not.
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Post by riversong1963 on Jan 17, 2018 19:26:21 GMT
I got the email too. I don't even come close to their requirements.  Oh, well, I guess the super 'tubers will continue to make money, while the rest of us struggle. I make so little anyway that I haven't even gotten to the $100 payout threshold yet. It is discouraging. |
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Post by FurryP on Jan 18, 2018 2:41:47 GMT
Well I know the big youtubers (non-scrapbooking) have been complaining for months, so I can't imagine that this is good for anyone, but YT.
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Post by breetheflea on Jan 18, 2018 3:01:56 GMT
The scrapbooking You Tuber on my subscribe list with the most subscribers is Mercy Tiara with 22,000 ish. I wonder if that is why she now uses Patreon.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Jan 18, 2018 3:11:27 GMT
I like to watch You Tube videos, however, I don't like them enough to pay for them. I might actually do more scrapbooking if I can't watch others scrapbook on You Tube.
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Post by mom on Jan 18, 2018 3:49:34 GMT
I like to watch You Tube videos, however, I don't like them enough to pay for them. I might actually do more scrapbooking if I can't watch others scrapbook on You Tube.  SaveSave |
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Post by peachiceteas on Jan 18, 2018 7:48:32 GMT
Meh, earning money on the YouTube platform is not a right. If you make videos, it should be because you want to put content out there and be part of the community of content creators for scrapbooking. Earning any money from ads should be a bonus. Personally I think the world is becoming too money-orientated and people are not prepared to do something for nothing.
If you happen to be big enough to earn money to sustain a family or lifestyle, you won’t be massively affected by this anyway.
The big ticket YouTube superstars that are complaining are still making an awful lot of money, just not as much as they were - otherwise they wouldn’t do it.
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Post by dasmith2 on Jan 18, 2018 8:08:13 GMT
I got the email that I don't qualify to meet the new requirements. I've been YouTubing since 2015 and have earned about $35 through monetizing. They don't pay out until you reach $100, so I don't know if I lose the money altogether or if it will sit in limbo somewhere until I qualify (if ever). I just checked my stats, and I'm nowhere near the watch time stats. Also only about halfway to the required subscribers. It was kind of demoralizing at first, but now eh. I'll just keep on doing what I'm doing. I wasn't getting money before, so no big deal. I'm a very small fish, though. I'm sure there are others who are much closer to the new requirements who will be affected. I subscribe to you, you are one if my faves  |
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Post by tsabhira on Jan 18, 2018 18:16:09 GMT
Meh, earning money on the YouTube platform is not a right. If you make videos, it should be because you want to put content out there and be part of the community of content creators for scrapbooking. Earning any money from ads should be a bonus. Personally I think the world is becoming too money-orientated and people are not prepared to do something for nothing. If you happen to be big enough to earn money to sustain a family or lifestyle, you won’t be massively affected by this anyway. The big ticket YouTube superstars that are complaining are still making an awful lot of money, just not as much as they were - otherwise they wouldn’t do it. I don't think anyone was saying that making money on YouTube was a right. It's a reasonable expectation, however, that you get something other than likes for the work you put into the content you're sharing, and it's tacky for Google to stop paying small-fry content creators, some of whom will quit doing it not so much because now they're not making their $3 a month but because of the principle behind it. Meaning we all lose out. And I don't have a problem with artists monetizing their work. I don't expect them to entertain me just because they also happen to enjoy it. That attitude has crashed entire creatives industries and led to the best artists (in lots of industries) to quit and move on where they can actually be compensated for the immense time and effort they put in. Yet again, we lose out. |
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Post by marg on Jan 18, 2018 18:51:37 GMT
What a shame. 4,000 hours is a lot of hours, I can see how this will just lead to more clickbait and filler content as one Pea already said.
I noticed Irit Landgraff just joined Patreon. I found out from her that MercyTiara did as well. I know Sandy Allnock has been on Patreon for a while. I actually think Patreon is a great idea, I like it for podcasts. I think Irit is charging a lot (I don't know if there are standard prices or if the content creator chooses their prices), but she is $4 per month for unlocking photos and posts, up to $12 for 4 videos per month. I find $12 a month a lot of money. I haven't checked what the others are charging.
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Post by thracian on Jan 18, 2018 21:45:27 GMT
I got the email that I don't qualify to meet the new requirements. I've been YouTubing since 2015 and have earned about $35 through monetizing. They don't pay out until you reach $100, so I don't know if I lose the money altogether or if it will sit in limbo somewhere until I qualify (if ever). I just checked my stats, and I'm nowhere near the watch time stats. Also only about halfway to the required subscribers. It was kind of demoralizing at first, but now eh. I'll just keep on doing what I'm doing. I wasn't getting money before, so no big deal. I'm a very small fish, though. I'm sure there are others who are much closer to the new requirements who will be affected. I subscribe to you, you are one if my faves Thank you so much! |
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Post by msliz on Jan 18, 2018 21:56:55 GMT
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Post by thracian on Jan 18, 2018 22:18:52 GMT
Thank you so much! Hope you enjoy the videos. |
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Post by wonderwoman on Jan 19, 2018 5:18:17 GMT
I like to watch You Tube videos, however, I don't like them enough to pay for them. I might actually do more scrapbooking if I can't watch others scrapbook on You Tube. I agree. I enjoy watching the Youtube videos but I won't be paying to watch... |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2018 6:46:43 GMT
I don't think anyone was saying that making money on YouTube was a right. It's a reasonable expectation, however, that you get something other than likes for the work you put into the content you're sharing, and it's tacky for Google to stop paying small-fry content creators, some of whom will quit doing it not so much because now they're not making their $3 a month but because of the principle behind it. Meaning we all lose out. And I don't have a problem with artists monetizing their work. I don't expect them to entertain me just because they also happen to enjoy it. That attitude has crashed entire creatives industries and led to the best artists (in lots of industries) to quit and move on where they can actually be compensated for the immense time and effort they put in. Yet again, we lose out. I love your post so much. I wish there was a 10,000 like button over here. I definitely understand that all of us are looking at this from the angle of our beloved scrapbooking channels. YouTube is an art form in itself. This is where many digital creator's are gaining experience in their trade. We will have the next Stephen Spielberg or Patty Jenkins come from YouTube. Also YouTube is where many musicians are going now to showcase their music because they can reach a wider range of audience at a more affordable price and have a bit of profit on the side. I discovered so many wonderful music artists last year I never would have been exposed too if it wasn't for their YouTube channels. I admire those who create YouTube content. I know how hard it is and how long it takes. Google and their crazy decisions flummox me all the time. As an artist I hate it when people say I should share my artwork for free because I should be part of the community. For those who say those things what profession you are in I should get that free too. It is only fair. |
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Post by peachiceteas on Jan 19, 2018 7:17:52 GMT
I don't think anyone was saying that making money on YouTube was a right. It's a reasonable expectation, however, that you get something other than likes for the work you put into the content you're sharing, and it's tacky for Google to stop paying small-fry content creators, some of whom will quit doing it not so much because now they're not making their $3 a month but because of the principle behind it. Meaning we all lose out. And I don't have a problem with artists monetizing their work. I don't expect them to entertain me just because they also happen to enjoy it. That attitude has crashed entire creatives industries and led to the best artists (in lots of industries) to quit and move on where they can actually be compensated for the immense time and effort they put in. Yet again, we lose out. I love your post so much. I wish there was a 10,000 like button over here. I definitely understand that all of us are looking at this from the angle of our beloved scrapbooking channels. YouTube is an art form in itself. This is where many digital creator's are gaining experience in their trade. We will have the next Stephen Spielberg or Patty Jenkins come from YouTube. Also YouTube is where many musicians are going now to showcase their music because they can reach a wider range of audience at a more affordable price and have a bit of profit on the side. I discovered so many wonderful music artists last year I never would have been exposed too if it wasn't for their YouTube channels. I admire those who create YouTube content. I know how hard it is and how long it takes. Google and their crazy decisions flummox me all the time. As an artist I hate it when people say I should share my artwork for free because I should be part of the community. For those who say those things what profession you are in I should get that free too. It is only fair. I agree with many of your points. I didnt say people should share their artwork for free. I am a design professional myself so I too support artists being paid for their work. But I do stand by my post. I think we probably have different perceptions of what is art and how that applies to the YouTube platform. |
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Post by riversong1963 on Jan 19, 2018 19:13:21 GMT
Oh, that's so nice of you. Yes, it is scrap related, although I also make cards and jewelry. I haven't posted a new video in quite a while, since my work schedule has been a little hectic, and I'm getting more hours. I might be adding a new one this weekend. Here's the link: My Crafty LifeThanks so much! |
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Post by riversong1963 on Jan 19, 2018 19:17:13 GMT
I understand, and can appreciate, that it is nice to do things just for the sake of doing them. It's also nice to make a few dollars doing what you love to do. I try to do some of both, which fits right in with my One Little Word: Balance.
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Post by destined2bmom on Jan 20, 2018 22:02:05 GMT
Oh, that's so nice of you. Yes, it is scrap related, although I also make cards and jewelry. I haven't posted a new video in quite a while, since my work schedule has been a little hectic, and I'm getting more hours. I might be adding a new one this weekend. Here's the link: My Crafty LifeThanks so much! I just subscribed to you and thracian |
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Post by thracian on Jan 21, 2018 2:30:28 GMT
Oh, that's so nice of you. Yes, it is scrap related, although I also make cards and jewelry. I haven't posted a new video in quite a while, since my work schedule has been a little hectic, and I'm getting more hours. I might be adding a new one this weekend. Here's the link: My Crafty LifeThanks so much! I just subscribed to you and thracian Thank you so much! |
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Post by riversong1963 on Jan 21, 2018 3:42:56 GMT
Oh, that's so nice of you. Yes, it is scrap related, although I also make cards and jewelry. I haven't posted a new video in quite a while, since my work schedule has been a little hectic, and I'm getting more hours. I might be adding a new one this weekend. Here's the link: My Crafty LifeThanks so much! I just subscribed to you and thracian Thank you! I'm working on a new video now. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2018 5:29:22 GMT
He has a great video on it - I subscribe to him. He has an "angel" list of people to support.
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Post by JaneB on Jan 21, 2018 9:34:55 GMT
Ooh he's British, possible Yorkshire accent there - Ha, went ferreting around and he lives in Leeds, West Yorkshire, not a million miles from me. Nice bloke, I hadn't seen him before so thanks for the new inspiration On a different note - is that a new avatar? I love it |
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Oh, well, I guess the super 'tubers will continue to make money, while the rest of us struggle. I make so little anyway that I haven't even gotten to the $100 payout threshold yet. It is discouraging.
