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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2018 18:08:59 GMT
linkWashington Post ran this article “California proves Trump wrong” trump wants to drill drill drill baby to make the United States self sufficient when it comes to fossil fuels. Problem is the Saudi’s can do what they did the last time the US was making gains as an oil producer and that was to flood the market with oil driving down the price and putting a lot of US oil workers out of a job. And if the only market for oil produced in the US is the US then there becomes a pricing problem. Add to that the world is moving away from fossil fuels. The future is clean renewable energy. These are jobs that have to be done in the United States but can be done in every state. And we are always going to need energy. My county went to clean renewable electricity a couple of years ago. From the article... Since President Donald Trump took office, his administration has been busy dismantling climate and environmental regulations, arguing that they’re job killers. The administration has declared an end to the “war on coal,” announced plans to withdraw from the Paris climate accord and is working to rescind former President Barack Obama’s signature piece of climate legislation, the Clean Power Plan. Here in California, the opposite is happening. The state has some of the most ambitious climate policies and environmental regulations in the country. California plans to reduce greenhouse gas emissions to 40 percent below 1990 levels over the next 13 years and eventually to 80 percent below 1990 levels by 2050. The policies crafted in Sacramento are being put in action in places like Fresno and the rest of the San Joaquin Valley, which has become the epicenter of California’s renewable energy industry. Around a third of the state’s renewable energy comes from the valley. Between 2002 and 2015, the construction of renewable energy infrastructure created at least 88,000 jobs in the San Joaquin Valley, according to Betony Jones, who was the director of the green economy program at the University of California at Berkeley Labor Center until late last year. About 90 percent of those jobs were created between 2012 and 2015. Billington wasn’t the only oil industry worker who turned to the union when barrel prices fell. The International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers Local 428 has put about 200 displaced oil workers to work over the last few years, mostly in solar. Billington started recruiting his buddies from the oil industry, offering them jobs on his team. At first, his friend Jonathan Sanchez was a tough sell. Sanchez had watched with dismay as crude fell and the work dried up. “They start out saying, everything’s fine. We’re going to get through this,” he told The WorldPost. “Then, slowly but surely, your friends start disappearing.” Sanchez wasn’t sure he wanted to leave what he knew. “I was leery,” he said. “It took me a long time to cross that line.” Out in the oilfields, people talked about solar like it was a passing fad. It was too expensive, no one was going to adopt it, it’s oil that runs the world. But Sanchez couldn’t help but notice that he was starting to see solar everywhere he looked. Rooftop solar salespeople had been calling his house with deals on installation. He’d be driving to the coast on vacation and pass solar farm after solar farm. He started to feel like the shift from oil to solar was inevitable. Last year, he took the leap. So far, no regrets. He’s making good money and already got a promotion. “It’s clear that we’re going the solar route,” he said. “So why not learn what you can now to get ahead of the game and not be one of these guys that are chasing the bus, trying to jump on?” Last year, researchers at Berkeley published a report that weighed the costs and benefits of the state’s major climate policies and their impact specifically in the San Joaquin Valley. The researchers accounted for positive factors like job creation and investment as well as negatives like the cost for companies to comply with new regulations and potential job losses in vulnerable sectors like the oil industry. They concluded that California’s major climate policies and programs have been an “economic boon” to the region, resulting in a net gain of more than $13 billion and more than 37,000 jobs.“
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Post by lucyg on Jan 27, 2018 18:48:52 GMT
I feel good about living in this state. It's not perfect, but it's pretty darn forward-thinking.
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Post by beaglemom on Jan 27, 2018 19:15:57 GMT
Thank goodness! With the 6th largest economy in the world it makes me so happy that the state is doing what it can to be a leader in the areas that are seriously lacking at the federal level. I love that we can choose to have all of our energy from our local utility come from renewable resources. We just moved and haven't figured out if we can get solar at the new house - we couldn't at our old house. But knowing that the electricity we do get comes from renewables makes me very happy.
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Post by PrettyInPeank on Jan 27, 2018 19:22:42 GMT
I feel good about living in this state. It's not perfect, but it's pretty darn forward-thinking. I agree, although my Facebook feed is covered by complaints and jeers at California for a proposed reduction in drinking straws being used. "Making the use of straws a crime with fines is ridiculous! This is how the government gets its way!"
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2018 19:23:43 GMT
This is what makes me so angry with trump cutting regulations and giving up public lands to push fossil fuels.
You want this country to be truly energy independent then push renewable clean energy.
Stupidity at it’s best if trump and company continue to ignore the benefits of clean renewable energy.
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Post by femalebusiness on Jan 27, 2018 19:29:02 GMT
There is nowhere else in the world where I would live voluntarily other than California. I love California!
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Post by lucyg on Jan 27, 2018 19:59:11 GMT
I feel good about living in this state. It's not perfect, but it's pretty darn forward-thinking. I agree, although my Facebook feed is covered by complaints and jeers at California for a proposed reduction in drinking straws being used. "Making the use of straws a crime with fines is ridiculous! This is how the government gets its way!" I haven't heard about that. (I really need to start reading/watching the local news more.) Would like to know more before I start jeering about snowflakes. ![:laugh:](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/Ivm7lm0DayrhoRpwvCeH.jpg) Maybe fines would be going too far, but I do wish restaurants would quit tossing handfuls of straws at the table to put in our water glasses, without even asking first.
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Post by Merge on Jan 27, 2018 22:32:56 GMT
Even Texas understands that renewable energy is the future. We're the largest producer of wind energy in the country, producing 4 times more than California does. In the winter, wind can produce 40-50% of our state's energy needs. True, we also produce the most oil and natural gas in the U.S., but we'd be foolish not to recognize that the future is not in fossil fuels. ETA: While Houston has a long way to go in terms of improving air quality, it ranks #6 on the list of most polluted cities. The first 5 are all in California. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/Q_m8lDOvc_3Le3r1GKdf.jpg)
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Post by femalebusiness on Jan 27, 2018 22:40:16 GMT
Re: The plastic straws. Everyone laughed or bitched when California outlawed plastic shopping bags too but I am all for bringing my own cloth bags. I like environment friendly solutions to plastic and waste.
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Post by corinne11 on Jan 27, 2018 23:20:14 GMT
Re: The plastic straws. Everyone laughed or bitched when California outlawed plastic shopping bags too but I am all for bringing my own cloth bags. I like environment friendly solutions to plastic and waste. We are trying to go "strawless" but many restaurants just automatically put them in or place them on the table. Even if we don't use them I know they will still be thrown away. My daughter eats lunch regularly at food courts near her work and specifically says "no straws thanks" when she orders her food. Our state was one of the first to offer 10c on cans and ban plastic shopping bags and finally other states are now doing the same. Corinne
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2018 23:28:13 GMT
Even Texas understands that renewable energy is the future. We're the largest producer of wind energy in the country, producing 4 times more than California does. In the winter, wind can produce 40-50% of our state's energy needs. True, we also produce the most oil and natural gas in the U.S., but we'd be foolish not to recognize that the future is not in fossil fuels. ETA: While Houston has a long way to go in terms of improving air quality, it ranks #6 on the list of most polluted cities. The first 5 are all in California. ![;)](http://i60.tinypic.com/345mtc2.jpg) I think this may have something to do with that... Texas v California Size Tx 268,580 square mikes v Ca 163,695 square miles. Population as of 2016 Tx 27.86M v Ca 39.25M We have more people packed into a smaller area. 😀 I looked at the list of 5 CA cities and I was surprised not to see any SF Bay Area cities in the top 5. For years I heard that the winds blew our smog to Yosemite and the winds blew LA Basin’s smog to the Central Valley. After looking at that list there might be some truth in that after all. Here in the Bay Area we have “spare the air days” where they encourage people not to drive and they ban people in the winter from lighting fires in their fireplaces. Usually the spare the air days last until the wind comes and blows the smog to Yosemite. The reality is CA needs to get a handle on all the cars on the road. It use to drive me nuts in my commute from Sonoma County to San Francisco how many single drivers there were. Especially when there were other options. I figured if you cut the number of solo commuters in cars in half here and the LA Basin it would go a long way cleaning up the air in the state.
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Post by cycworker on Jan 27, 2018 23:37:47 GMT
Re: The plastic straws. Everyone laughed or bitched when California outlawed plastic shopping bags too but I am all for bringing my own cloth bags. I like environment friendly solutions to plastic and waste. Serious question... if a person doesn't get a plastic bag at the grocery store, what do they use to line the garbage can in the bathroom? Sometimes there are things that need to be thrown away that need to be put in a bag.
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Post by caangel on Jan 27, 2018 23:42:55 GMT
You buy small trash bags.
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Post by lucyg on Jan 27, 2018 23:48:57 GMT
Re: The plastic straws. Everyone laughed or bitched when California outlawed plastic shopping bags too but I am all for bringing my own cloth bags. I like environment friendly solutions to plastic and waste. Serious question... if a person doesn't get a plastic bag at the grocery store, what do they use to line the garbage can in the bathroom? Sometimes there are things that need to be thrown away that need to be put in a bag. I don't use my reusable shopping bags ... I pay 10 cents each for traditional paper grocery bags instead, because I use them for kitchen trash. I use heavy plastic grocery bags (also sold by my grocery store) for the throwaway crud left in the pot after I make chicken stock. Some of the non-grocery stores here still give out the lightweight plastic bags you're thinking of ... I guess the law only applies to grocery stores? I don't know.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 28, 2018 0:37:10 GMT
I no longer have a cat, so no need for the 'grocery' sized plastic bags. I do use them for garbage and recyclables, have to put the stuff in something to carry to the dumpster. Apartment living does not make electric cars usable. Battery would go dead anyway. 10 yr old car with 36,000 miles.....
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Post by femalebusiness on Jan 28, 2018 1:30:22 GMT
Re: The plastic straws. Everyone laughed or bitched when California outlawed plastic shopping bags too but I am all for bringing my own cloth bags. I like environment friendly solutions to plastic and waste. Serious question... if a person doesn't get a plastic bag at the grocery store, what do they use to line the garbage can in the bathroom? Sometimes there are things that need to be thrown away that need to be put in a bag. I buy trash can bags. I won't lie I miss the plastic ones with handles that came from the grocery store, for dirty messes around the house like picking up dog poop. For my trash cans I buy the liner bags. I like that there aren't plastic bags all over the roads any more though.
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Post by katlady on Jan 28, 2018 3:40:28 GMT
Los Angeles is literally in a basin. It is surrounded by mountains on the east and when the wind blows from the west, all that dirty air just gets pushed up against them hills. It has nowhere to go. I remember growing up we would have days the smog was so bad we weren't allowed outside to play during recess. It has gotten much better since then.
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Post by katlady on Jan 28, 2018 3:41:12 GMT
There a few stores here that still offer plastic bags for free, and when they do, I take them. I use them for trash bags.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 28, 2018 4:14:01 GMT
Re: The plastic straws. Everyone laughed or bitched when California outlawed plastic shopping bags too but I am all for bringing my own cloth bags. I like environment friendly solutions to plastic and waste. I’ve been making a bunch of totes for groceries out of old clothes and fabric... We use them all the time and it’s great.
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Post by katybee on Jan 28, 2018 5:10:12 GMT
Re: The plastic straws. Everyone laughed or bitched when California outlawed plastic shopping bags too but I am all for bringing my own cloth bags. I like environment friendly solutions to plastic and waste. Serious question... if a person doesn't get a plastic bag at the grocery store, what do they use to line the garbage can in the bathroom? Sometimes there are things that need to be thrown away that need to be put in a bag. I live in Austin, TX and we don’t have plastic store bags. I don’t use bags in my bathroom trash can. I wrap hygiene products in the wrapper they came in (actually, the wrapper of the “new” one) or, if necessary, a small piece of toilet paper. I dump it into my large trash regularly. I wash it with soap and water once a month, although it’s never really dirty. You would be amazed how easy it is to adapt to no plastic bags.
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Post by Lexica on Jan 28, 2018 6:02:00 GMT
Re: The plastic straws. Everyone laughed or bitched when California outlawed plastic shopping bags too but I am all for bringing my own cloth bags. I like environment friendly solutions to plastic and waste. I use the big Costco reusable bags for everything from shopping to schlepping my folded laundry back upstairs. It took me a while to get used to taking bags inside with me when I shop, leading to an unintentional growing collection of reusable shopping bags, but I really do prefer them to the old thin plastic bag that we used to have. I also have to use a straw to drink with because of my cat who will stick her paw into any open cup or glass to "share" with me. I had to purchase containers with lids and a straw hole in order to guarantee I get to drink my own water without interference. I didn't want to use disposable straws and found some awesome stainless steel straws on Amazon. I got my mother to switch to stainless and have given some to friends as well. We typically all bring our own straw with us when we go to the movies together. I don't drink soda, but I do bring my own water container in. I'm totally for doing away with all the single-use items we don't really need. SaveSave
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Post by crazy4scraps on Jan 28, 2018 17:10:49 GMT
I’ve noticed that there is a big difference in plastic shopping bags when it comes to being able to reuse them for anything, even lining the bathroom wastebaskets. The best ones come from Target, Menards or Fleet Farm. The worst ones come from Walmart, the grocery store or the dollar store. Half the time I don’t even make it home from the store without those bags getting a hole in them because they’re so thin. As a general rule I don’t shop at Walmart but many of my friends do, and those bags always seem to have a hole in the bottom making them useless for reusing for trash collection. The grocery store and dollar store plastic bags are only a half step up from that.
I buy most of my groceries at Costco which has no bags at all, so I keep some 31 bags and a couple thermal Costco bags in the trunk of my car all the time. I have to make an occasional run to the actual grocery store every once in a while just so I can get a couple old style paper bags to put my recycling papers into. I’ve also noticed that when my loose junk mail and newspapers are bagged before going into the single sort can, less of it ends up blowing out of the recycling truck when the cans are dumped. I would say in my neighborhood I see far more paper scraps blowing around on the street after trash pickup day than discarded plastic bags. A lot of stores around here have collection bins at the front of their stores specifically to collect and recycle used plastic shopping bags.
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Jan 28, 2018 17:48:21 GMT
As mentioned by others, the Costco bags get used for everything around here!
I also have some of those huge Ikea totes, but they get too heavy when fully loaded. They are now used mostly as collapsible laundry baskets for clean laundry.
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Post by OntarioScrapper on Jan 29, 2018 17:09:16 GMT
Re: The plastic straws. Everyone laughed or bitched when California outlawed plastic shopping bags too but I am all for bringing my own cloth bags. I like environment friendly solutions to plastic and waste. Serious question... if a person doesn't get a plastic bag at the grocery store, what do they use to line the garbage can in the bathroom? Sometimes there are things that need to be thrown away that need to be put in a bag. I'm in Canada. There is a small town near me that now makes everyone use clear garbage bags for curb pickup. NOTHING can be in plastic shopping bags. You have to get the clear garbage bags so that everything is easily viewable.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Jan 29, 2018 17:48:49 GMT
Re: The plastic straws. Everyone laughed or bitched when California outlawed plastic shopping bags too but I am all for bringing my own cloth bags. I like environment friendly solutions to plastic and waste. We are trying to go "strawless" but many restaurants just automatically put them in or place them on the table. Even if we don't use them I know they will still be thrown away. My daughter eats lunch regularly at food courts near her work and specifically says "no straws thanks" when she orders her food. Our state was one of the first to offer 10c on cans and ban plastic shopping bags and finally other states are now doing the same. Corinne I keep a cup, reusable straw, and chopsticks in my bag at all times. I started with the chopsticks when I finally got tired of the cheap wooden take-out ones that would split unevenly.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Jan 29, 2018 17:50:27 GMT
Serious question... if a person doesn't get a plastic bag at the grocery store, what do they use to line the garbage can in the bathroom? Sometimes there are things that need to be thrown away that need to be put in a bag. I live in Austin, TX and we don’t have plastic store bags. I don’t use bags in my bathroom trash can. I wrap hygiene products in the wrapper they came in (actually, the wrapper of the “new” one) or, if necessary, a small piece of toilet paper. I dump it into my large trash regularly. I wash it with soap and water once a month, although it’s never really dirty. You would be amazed how easy it is to adapt to no plastic bags. Used fem-prods, Kleenex, etc are recyclable here.
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Post by myshelly on Jan 29, 2018 17:50:55 GMT
Re: The plastic straws. Everyone laughed or bitched when California outlawed plastic shopping bags too but I am all for bringing my own cloth bags. I like environment friendly solutions to plastic and waste. Serious question... if a person doesn't get a plastic bag at the grocery store, what do they use to line the garbage can in the bathroom? Sometimes there are things that need to be thrown away that need to be put in a bag. I don't line bathroom trash cans. Never have.
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Post by kibblesandbits on Jan 29, 2018 17:55:52 GMT
You buy small trash bags. So, instead of using the bags that come with purchases, you go out and buy some? How does that reduce? What am I missing? SaveSave
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Post by 2peaornot2pea on Jan 29, 2018 17:56:38 GMT
Re: The plastic straws. Everyone laughed or bitched when California outlawed plastic shopping bags too but I am all for bringing my own cloth bags. I like environment friendly solutions to plastic and waste. Serious question... if a person doesn't get a plastic bag at the grocery store, what do they use to line the garbage can in the bathroom? Sometimes there are things that need to be thrown away that need to be put in a bag. I'm not picking on you, but this made me laugh out loud. Millions of people threw out bathroom garbage in paper bags before plastic bags became the norm in the late 80's.
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Post by smartypants71 on Jan 29, 2018 18:02:52 GMT
I WISH they would ban plastic bags here. They are everywhere! When Walmart was proposing a new location in my neighborhood, that was one of the biggest reasons for opposition to it. Well, the store was built, and there are plastic bags littering the area.
I don't willfully use any plastic bags - even the plastic produce bags.
Now drinking straws? I would have to go to jail for that. I ALWAYS drink out of a straw.
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