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Post by mom on Mar 6, 2018 6:13:27 GMT
Here's the thing for me on the beer. It's not JUST the beer. I have no idea what the contribution margin is on a can of beer. But at the end of the day, trade wars DO NOT WORK. History tells us this. The very notion to micro one industry like this has and will backfire big time. It isn't just beer, it will have an influence across the spectrum of the economy. I agree. I was reading this afternoon after the trade wars in history and found an article from the History Channel that talked about previous trade wars and how the hurt the US and how it could potentially hurt us in the future. LINKSaveSave |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2018 6:22:23 GMT
Pardon me for invading your space. But I could not pass up the opportunity of pointing out the breathtaking irony of what is happening on this thread.
The very things you all are grousing about is exactly the same thing some of your clan does on a regular basis on what you call the liberal threads.
Frustrating isn’t it.
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Post by PLurker on Mar 6, 2018 6:38:33 GMT
Here's the thing for me on the beer. It's not JUST the beer. I have no idea what the contribution margin is on a can of beer. But at the end of the day, trade wars DO NOT WORK. History tells us this. The very notion to micro one industry like this has and will backfire big time. It isn't just beer, it will have an influence across the spectrum of the economy. I agree. I was reading this afternoon after the trade wars in history and found an article from the History Channel that talked about previous trade wars and how the hurt the US and how it could potentially hurt us in the future. LINKSaveSaveI read that, too. Love (a lot of) History Channel stuff. I also am tired of millionaire/billionaires preaching how the "so little" uptick in cost is nothing to worry about like the Commerce Secretary (billionaire- I think) and others are saying. That may be a pittance to him and his peers but not to a lot (majority?) of the rest of the citizens. All the little increases in cost of living adds up and is like being pecked to death. Out.of.touch. I'm thinking (hoping) he'll change his mind again if resistance to it continues to rise. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2018 9:05:51 GMT
Thank you, I appreciate you having my back, I really do, but I was not involved in this at all. I've been pretty much ignoring that particular one for a while now as there is no actual discussion to be had there. Clearly. I'm afraid you got blamed for my comments. I really did think this ONE thread was for conservatives, and yes, she pushed my buttons until I disengaged. Sorry-- That's okay, it's not that big a deal.  |
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Post by cade387 on Mar 6, 2018 10:18:20 GMT
I’m talking about the people in the room who laughed at it Why? If I hear someone make a crass joke I don’t laugh because I’m in a crowd. I feel like the topic here is a very serious one. It was one reason why my DH had such a problem with Obama - he felt he would do something to make it so he could be President forever. Now Trump is making a statement like he did. Which is one of two things - 1. He really does think it is a good idea and I definitely don’t think that is something to laugh about or 2. He was making a joke about one of the core tenants of our Democracy and it isn’t funny. I wouldn’t laugh at that. It was disappointing to hear folks think that is funny where if the “other side” said that they would be up in arms. There are far more important topics to be discussing and he keeps making comments like this and about due process/2A and it is distracting. I agree with Tucker Carlson about these kind of comments. Just because one party is in charge now, doesn’t mean it will be forever. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. We should leave the basic principles that our country was founded on and focus on the real issues. IMO, of course. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 6, 2018 10:26:40 GMT
You conservatives here responding are unbelievable—Irony at its best. I restated what she actually said and I’m the bad guy. Some echo in here.
You all make it 100% true that it’s absolutely A-okay to bash anyone who doesn’t think like you—even when they are being respectful—it’s only okay if you’re Republican/conservative. 🙄
@donnie—really? You’re going to lie and say “i pushed your buttons” just to justify your comments when in reality your posts came out swinging hard against liberals—which is what I respectfully commented on in the first place?? It’s amazing at the rewrites of history here you’re doing. 🙄🙄
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2018 15:30:04 GMT
If I hear someone make a crass joke I don’t laugh because I’m in a crowd. I feel like the topic here is a very serious one. It was one reason why my DH had such a problem with Obama - he felt he would do something to make it so he could be President forever. Now Trump is making a statement like he did. Which is one of two things - 1. He really does think it is a good idea and I definitely don’t think that is something to laugh about or 2. He was making a joke about one of the core tenants of our Democracy and it isn’t funny. I wouldn’t laugh at that. It was disappointing to hear folks think that is funny where if the “other side” said that they would be up in arms. There are far more important topics to be discussing and he keeps making comments like this and about due process/2A and it is distracting. I agree with Tucker Carlson about these kind of comments. Just because one party is in charge now, doesn’t mean it will be forever. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. We should leave the basic principles that our country was founded on and focus on the real issues. IMO, of course. Presidential term limits weren't one of the founding principles of our country; they came about with the passage of the 22nd Amendment in 1947 after FDR served 12 years and was trying to stack the SCOTUS. I don't argue that it's a very important topic, but since I don't think the president was being serious, I'm not at all worried about it. I remember, like your DH, the fears people expressed about Obama doing the same thing -- why do you suppose that didn't happen with Obama but is a very real possibility with Trump? What power do you see the current president having that former presidents haven't had since 1947? |
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Post by mom on Mar 6, 2018 15:40:16 GMT
Its Election Day for Texas! Go vote if you are eligible! I saw on GMA this morning that 40 women are running for Congress in Texas and over 400 are running across the Nation. Go Women! (I hope I remember the numbers correctly!) Edit: Here is the LINK for the news article. 50 women are running for Congress in the Texas Primaries. This is huge because of the 110 Texas Congressional Reps, only 3 are women. There are 110 Texas women running for local elections. Over 400 women nationally are running for Congress. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2018 15:53:25 GMT
Where exactly is the ignore button by the way? 1. Go to Profile (blue bar, at top of this screen) 2. On the Profile menu, choose Privacy. 3. On the Privacy menu, scroll all the way down to the bottom. 4. Where it says 'Member Block List' there will be a bar where you can add a member to your block list. Type their name in. There profile will pop up, and you click on their profile. It will then add them to your block list. 5. Beside their name on the block list, you will have a couple of choices of how far you want to go to block them (hide posts, don't get any notifications, etc) - just check the boxes you want. Hit 'save' at the bottom of the screen when you are all done. Thank you! |
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Post by cade387 on Mar 6, 2018 20:12:57 GMT
If I hear someone make a crass joke I don’t laugh because I’m in a crowd. I feel like the topic here is a very serious one. It was one reason why my DH had such a problem with Obama - he felt he would do something to make it so he could be President forever. Now Trump is making a statement like he did. Which is one of two things - 1. He really does think it is a good idea and I definitely don’t think that is something to laugh about or 2. He was making a joke about one of the core tenants of our Democracy and it isn’t funny. I wouldn’t laugh at that. It was disappointing to hear folks think that is funny where if the “other side” said that they would be up in arms. There are far more important topics to be discussing and he keeps making comments like this and about due process/2A and it is distracting. I agree with Tucker Carlson about these kind of comments. Just because one party is in charge now, doesn’t mean it will be forever. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. We should leave the basic principles that our country was founded on and focus on the real issues. IMO, of course. Presidential term limits weren't one of the founding principles of our country; they came about with the passage of the 22nd Amendment in 1947 after FDR served 12 years and was trying to stack the SCOTUS. I don't argue that it's a very important topic, but since I don't think the president was being serious, I'm not at all worried about it. I remember, like your DH, the fears people expressed about Obama doing the same thing -- why do you suppose that didn't happen with Obama but is a very real possibility with Trump? What power do you see the current president having that former presidents haven't had since 1947? I guess I never saw Obama looking for the adoration that Trump does. Obama wasn’t my favorite person but he wasn’t a narcissist and he didn’t suck up to China or Russia. For me that is the difference. If Obama had said the same thing and Democrats had said, “well, he was just joking. No biggie” do you think Fox News would have ignored it? If Obama had said that due process want important (take the guns first, then sort out the courts) do you think Fox News would have ignored it? I don’t like the standard being set here is all. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2018 21:03:28 GMT
I'm afraid you got blamed for my comments. I really did think this ONE thread was for conservatives, and yes, she pushed my buttons until I disengaged. Sorry-- That's okay, it's not that big a deal. Thanks Gia. |
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Post by Scrapper100 on Mar 7, 2018 1:01:50 GMT
Here's the thing for me on the beer. It's not JUST the beer. I have no idea what the contribution margin is on a can of beer. But at the end of the day, trade wars DO NOT WORK. History tells us this. The very notion to micro one industry like this has and will backfire big time. It isn't just beer, it will have an influence across the spectrum of the economy. I agree. I was reading this afternoon after the trade wars in history and found an article from the History Channel that talked about previous trade wars and how the hurt the US and how it could potentially hurt us in the future. LINKSaveSaveYikes. I thought the idea was that it would help and we would then be using our own resources instead of buying it from other countries and not be shipping it long distances (thereby being better for the planet) but since it looks like most steel we import is from Canada not so much. 25% sounds huge for those companies that import steel 10% for aluminum is a lot to but nothing in comparison. I wonder if this will help our steel/aluminum industries and how much we have or do we import because we don't have enough. Obviously more Americans working is the goal but this sounds like a bad idea to mess up trade with Canada. I wonder if these tariffs will actually happen or not? He talked about doing these during the election and not knowing any better it does sound good but when you actually make a decision you look at the facts and then realize not so much. It also makes you wonder who stands to benefit from this? I don't think this will hurt the beer industry as they are saying it will only add a penny to each can of course they will raise the price more than that but even at 5 cents a can I don't think the beer industry has anything to worry about. I am sure some industries will be effected more than others though. Obviously those that use steel are going to be in a world of hurt. Also waiting for other countries to do the same thing back to us. We import a lot of goods. This could really get really crazy fast but time will tell. I just hope it doesn't cost people their jobs. |
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Post by megop on Mar 7, 2018 1:21:59 GMT
I agree. I was reading this afternoon after the trade wars in history and found an article from the History Channel that talked about previous trade wars and how the hurt the US and how it could potentially hurt us in the future. LINKSaveSaveYikes. I thought the idea was that it would help and we would then be using our own resources instead of buying it from other countries and not be shipping it long distances (thereby being better for the planet) but since it looks like most steel we import is from Canada not so much. 25% sounds huge for those companies that import steel 10% for aluminum is a lot to but nothing in comparison. I wonder if this will help our steel/aluminum industries and how much we have or do we import because we don't have enough. Obviously more Americans working is the goal but this sounds like a bad idea to mess up trade with Canada. I wonder if these tariffs will actually happen or not? He talked about doing these during the election and not knowing any better it does sound good but when you actually make a decision you look at the facts and then realize not so much. It also makes you wonder who stands to benefit from this? I don't think this will hurt the beer industry as they are saying it will only add a penny to each can of course they will raise the price more than that but even at 5 cents a can I don't think the beer industry has anything to worry about. I am sure some industries will be effected more than others though. Obviously those that use steel are going to be in a world of hurt. Also waiting for other countries to do the same thing back to us. We import a lot of goods. This could really get really crazy fast but time will tell. I just hope it doesn't cost people their jobs. Other countries retaliating is precisely why trade wars like what the POTUS is talking about do not work and never have. |
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Post by megop on Mar 7, 2018 1:23:42 GMT
Pardon me for invading your space. But I could not pass up the opportunity of pointing out the breathtaking irony of what is happening on this thread. The very things you all are grousing about is exactly the same thing some of your clan does on a regular basis on what you call the liberal threads. Frustrating isn’t it. I will now take my leave and honor your wish that only conservatives post on this thread going forward. Guess I'm glad I didn't read all the pages. Life is so much better without drama.  |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 7, 2018 1:41:11 GMT
I don't think this will hurt the beer industry as they are saying it will only add a penny to each can of course they will raise the price more than that but even at 5 cents a can I don't think the beer industry has anything to worry about. I am sure some industries will be effected more than others though. Obviously those that use steel are going to be in a world of hurt. Think steel used in buildings/construction, infrastructure/bridges, cars, trucks, trains, rails, mobile homes/trailers, modular homes, sinks, bathtubs, appliances and I am sure lots I have not remembered. |
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Post by megop on Mar 7, 2018 1:48:16 GMT
I don't think this will hurt the beer industry as they are saying it will only add a penny to each can of course they will raise the price more than that but even at 5 cents a can I don't think the beer industry has anything to worry about. I am sure some industries will be effected more than others though. Obviously those that use steel are going to be in a world of hurt. Think steel used in buildings/construction, infrastructure/bridges, cars, trucks, trains, rails, mobile homes/trailers, modular homes, sinks, bathtubs, appliances and I am sure lots I have not remembered. That's weird. I didn't post that statement?  |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 7, 2018 1:52:24 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2018 4:59:17 GMT
Presidential term limits weren't one of the founding principles of our country; they came about with the passage of the 22nd Amendment in 1947 after FDR served 12 years and was trying to stack the SCOTUS. I don't argue that it's a very important topic, but since I don't think the president was being serious, I'm not at all worried about it. I remember, like your DH, the fears people expressed about Obama doing the same thing -- why do you suppose that didn't happen with Obama but is a very real possibility with Trump? What power do you see the current president having that former presidents haven't had since 1947? I guess I never saw Obama looking for the adoration that Trump does. Obama wasn’t my favorite person but he wasn’t a narcissist and he didn’t suck up to China or Russia. For me that is the difference. If Obama had said the same thing and Democrats had said, “well, he was just joking. No biggie” do you think Fox News would have ignored it? If Obama had said that due process want important (take the guns first, then sort out the courts) do you think Fox News would have ignored it? I don’t like the standard being set here is all. Do you really believe he will try to become president for life because he’s a narcissist? How do you see that actually happening? The second paragraph I can’t even address because I don’t watch Fox News and it seems pointless to engage in hypothetical hindsight speculation. What value would there be in that? |
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Post by freecharlie on Mar 7, 2018 5:23:01 GMT
I guess I never saw Obama looking for the adoration that Trump does. Obama wasn’t my favorite person but he wasn’t a narcissist and he didn’t suck up to China or Russia. For me that is the difference. If Obama had said the same thing and Democrats had said, “well, he was just joking. No biggie” do you think Fox News would have ignored it? If Obama had said that due process want important (take the guns first, then sort out the courts) do you think Fox News would have ignored it? I don’t like the standard being set here is all. Do you really believe he will try to become president for life because he’s a narcissist? How do you see that actually happening? The second paragraph I can’t even address because I don’t watch Fox News and it seems pointless to engage in hypothetical hindsight speculation. What value would there be in that? I think he would like to be president for life and have ultimate power, but I don't think he was stating an intention and I don't have any current fear that the president is going to try and in office. |
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Post by scraphollie27 on Mar 7, 2018 6:12:25 GMT
I agree. I was reading this afternoon after the trade wars in history and found an article from the History Channel that talked about previous trade wars and how the hurt the US and how it could potentially hurt us in the future. LINKSaveSaveYikes. I thought the idea was that it would help and we would then be using our own resources instead of buying it from other countries and not be shipping it long distances (thereby being better for the planet) but since it looks like most steel we import is from Canada not so much. 25% sounds huge for those companies that import steel 10% for aluminum is a lot to but nothing in comparison. I wonder if this will help our steel/aluminum industries and how much we have or do we import because we don't have enough. Obviously more Americans working is the goal but this sounds like a bad idea to mess up trade with Canada. I wonder if these tariffs will actually happen or not? He talked about doing these during the election and not knowing any better it does sound good but when you actually make a decision you look at the facts and then realize not so much. It also makes you wonder who stands to benefit from this? I don't think this will hurt the beer industry as they are saying it will only add a penny to each can of course they will raise the price more than that but even at 5 cents a can I don't think the beer industry has anything to worry about. I am sure some industries will be effected more than others though. Obviously those that use steel are going to be in a world of hurt. Also waiting for other countries to do the same thing back to us. We import a lot of goods. This could really get really crazy fast but time will tell. I just hope it doesn't cost people their jobs. The WTO can authorize a $3.2B retaliation measures for Canada against the US if these tariffs are deemed unjustifiable under WTO rules. The $3.2B would equal the lost trade value for Canada but there are other countries that would be able to collect under that ruling. This retaliation compensation would have to be a factored contingency in the value of the tariffs to the US but I’m not sure your President factors in these details. business.financialpost.com/news/economy/take-that-trump-how-the-wto-can-authorize-canada-to-hit-u-s-with-us3-2b-in-retaliation-measures |
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Post by cade387 on Mar 7, 2018 6:52:12 GMT
I guess I never saw Obama looking for the adoration that Trump does. Obama wasn’t my favorite person but he wasn’t a narcissist and he didn’t suck up to China or Russia. For me that is the difference. If Obama had said the same thing and Democrats had said, “well, he was just joking. No biggie” do you think Fox News would have ignored it? If Obama had said that due process want important (take the guns first, then sort out the courts) do you think Fox News would have ignored it? I don’t like the standard being set here is all. Do you really believe he will try to become president for life because he’s a narcissist? How do you see that actually happening? The second paragraph I can’t even address because I don’t watch Fox News and it seems pointless to engage in hypothetical hindsight speculation. What value would there be in that? It bothers me more that people think it is funny to joke about. Im saying I don’t find it funny. Is that not allowed? As for if it could happen? While I think it unlikely, I think Republicans laid out “how” Obama could do it. Is it keeping me up at night? No. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2018 16:33:16 GMT
Just saying GOOD MORNING FRIENDS!  Have some happy in your day! Use your God-given talents to help someone today. Try to make the world a better place (even if that means you pick up the trash in front of your property!) Just do it. Say hello to a homeless person--bake a cake for a neighbor! Do something. |
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Post by gmcwife1 on Mar 7, 2018 18:06:08 GMT
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Post by gale w on Mar 7, 2018 20:28:03 GMT
According to dh, another issue with the tariffs is that it may make other countries cut back on buying grain from the US (probably other commodities as well). That could kill the grain market and many small farms.
Sorry if this was mentioned. It's getting hard to sift through the regular posts vs the arguments.
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Post by The Great Carpezio on Mar 7, 2018 21:02:15 GMT
Do you really believe he will try to become president for life because he’s a narcissist? How do you see that actually happening? The second paragraph I can’t even address because I don’t watch Fox News and it seems pointless to engage in hypothetical hindsight speculation. What value would there be in that? It bothers me more that people think it is funny to joke about. Im saying I don’t find it funny. Is that not allowed? As for if it could happen? While I think it unlikely, I think Republicans laid out “how” Obama could do it. Is it keeping me up at night? No. Cade387, I tend to agree with you. He was making one of those "joking not joking" jokes. My DH makes them all the time and I get annoyed because I have to go all "Kellyanne Conway" and always explain to people he is joking (but deep down know he is not 100% joking...maybe 60-95% joking). It just isn't that funny if someone has to explain your joke or that you were joking. I don't think it is going to happen, but I don't doubt he would accept it if given (holy cow I am having flashbacks to Julius Caesar right now) I also think you make a good point about seeing it from a different perspective, and it is a little concerning that your point can be brushed off as pointless speculation. That is probably one of the biggest issues we have with the dialogue today. We have to be able to see how our views look to others and see if our views stand up to critical self evaluation. If you would be offended or startled if Obama or a liberal said the same thing or if you thought it was plausible for Obama or Clinton or whatever boogyman you put in the blank, then it is certainly possible for Trump. This blindness to our own biases is what is creating more of a chasm and less ability to find common ground. |
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Post by mom26 on Mar 8, 2018 2:14:17 GMT
Nick Freitas, a member of the Virginia House of Delegates and a candidate for the US Senate in 2018, gave this speech on the floor of House Delegates the other day and I found it pretty powerful so I thought I'd share: Nick Freitas |
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Post by cade387 on Mar 8, 2018 3:08:10 GMT
Nick Freitas, a member of the Virginia House of Delegates and a candidate for the US Senate in 2018, gave this speech on the floor of House Delegates the other day and I found it pretty powerful so I thought I'd share: Nick FreitasI found that to be divisive and not helping to actually discuss the issues. Why so many insults? How was the Vegas shooter in a gun free zone? He doesn’t sound like he wants to discuss anything. Just listen to himself talk. |
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Post by mom on Mar 8, 2018 3:13:38 GMT
mom26 thats a good speech. Thank you for sharing it. Edited: I would be interested in reading about what happened the day before this speech and to hear for myself what the Dem. said re: calling the Rep. Nazis.
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Post by freecharlie on Mar 8, 2018 3:13:55 GMT
According to dh, another issue with the tariffs is that it may make other countries cut back on buying grain from the US (probably other commodities as well). That could kill the grain market and many small farms. Sorry if this was mentioned. It's getting hard to sift through the regular posts vs the arguments. I just start scrolling when they argue like that. It would be great if one (or all) of the participants just started to ignore and not engage. The tariff concern me a great deal. If the head economic guy quit over it, it validates that I feel it is a big deal. I think the trickle down effect will be devastating to our economy. Maybe not immediately, but I see it coming. Hitting different industries and occupations at different times, but affecting all of us. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2018 4:04:08 GMT
Nick Freitas, a member of the Virginia House of Delegates and a candidate for the US Senate in 2018, gave this speech on the floor of House Delegates the other day and I found it pretty powerful so I thought I'd share: Nick FreitasI found that to be divisive and not helping to actually discuss the issues. Why so many insults? How was the Vegas shooter in a gun free zone? He doesn’t sound like he wants to discuss anything. Just listen to himself talk. I didn't hear any insults, I only heard a list of insults used by the anti-gun side and objections to them. And no divisiveness, only objections to the divisive statements used by the anti-gun side. Since it would seem we are seeing very different things in the very same video, maybe it would help if you would point out the exact statements that were insulting and divisive so we could see what you see. It might go a long way in one side understanding the other since we interpret and see differently. |
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