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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2018 1:06:48 GMT
Hello Conservative Compatriots! I mentioned in another thread that I have been thinking of starting a Conservative thread sort of like the Trump Catch-all thread where we can discuss current events and politics just amongst us conservatives. Many liberal Peas have been kind enough to say they'd like to read it but will not post. I am pasting a post by lucyg that outlines "rules" for their thread that I think would be good for ours as well. Post by lucyg on Nov 26, 2017 at 7:40pm
To all my Trump-hating friends,
[] has chosen to join us in our otherwise-happy little Trump-hating enclave here (ETA the Trump catch-all thread, I mean, not the entire place ... I want to be clear).
Please, I am begging all of you, DO NOT respond to her. Let her post her challenges and disagreements, and ignore it. Let it go. Move on.
These catch-all threads have been a great source of information as well as a good place for us to vent our feelings. Please do not allow her to derail the thread and please do not derail it yourself. It is not necessary to engage.
Thank you.
This thread is not for name-calling of other Peas or gossiping about them and their opinions. It's OK to glean topics from other threads, but not necessary to tag or name anyone else when doing so. For instance, you could copy a link someone has posted in order to discuss the subject of the link but not to deride another Pea's opinion about it. I fully understand that I can't control what people post, and I have no intention of policing or hostessing this thread. I am going to tag a bunch of Peas who I believe lean conservative and who might enjoy participating in this thread. I mean no offense by either inclusion or exclusion! @gajenny #notLauren @gialupea @samiam sunraynnc @donnie Darcy Collins gmcwife1 kibblesandbits @ricky loco coco freebird @anmore
Now, what should we talk about first? THE memo? (I'm still processing all that mess.) The stock market? (ARGH!) What Melania wore today? (kidding!!)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2018 2:53:42 GMT
I am amazed on almost a daily basis to read some of the conspiracy theories of the left. Today, I am amazed what many on the left believe about the memo and just how different their thoughts are than mine.
While I truly believe that the only collusion that happened is collusion between the FBI, Justice Dept, HRC campaign, DNC, and the Obama White House to keep Trump out of the White House. And when that didn't work, they colluded to discredit the man elected by the people of this nation to be President. This memo does not prove it for me, and I need to see more, but I still fully suspect it'll all come out in the end to confirm what I've believed for a year now.
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Post by mom on Feb 3, 2018 3:06:27 GMT
I am really glad to see this thread. Many, many days I read the other(s) thread and just shake my head. Somethings I can see their view point but man. Some things I just cant wrap my head around.
I am spending tonight educating myself on the memo. I have heard bits and pieces, but I want to really dig into it myself.
(Another topic I would like to read about is how the new lax laws are helping people. I *know* many say they are losing money, but from things I have read, I am really surprised so many say that. It was my understanding that most would benefit from it. So do people not really know what is going on with their pay (is their insurance premium rising, etc causing the loss of pay) or is it really the new tax laws?
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Post by trollie on Feb 3, 2018 3:31:36 GMT
And when that didn't work, they colluded to discredit the man elected by the people of this nation to be President. With all due respect, the majority of the people of this nation did not vote for Trump. He did win the electoral college, which won him the Presidency, but not the popular vote. I will now bow out of your thread bc I know it is not for me. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2018 3:37:06 GMT
And when that didn't work, they colluded to discredit the man elected by the people of this nation to be President. With all due respect, the majority of the people of this nation did not vote for Trump. He did win the electoral college, which won him the Presidency, but not the popular vote. I will now bow out of your thread bc I know it is not for me. He was elected by the people, as I said. I never said MAJORITY of the people. He won the electoral college just as all the former Presidents won the electoral college. That's how we do elections here. It's easy to hate the process when the candidate of our choice doesn't win...but that is how it's done. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2018 3:37:37 GMT
I am amazed on almost a daily basis to read some of the conspiracy theories of the left. Today, I am amazed what many on the left believe about the memo and just how different their thoughts are than mine. While I truly believe that the only collusion that happened is collusion between the FBI, Justice Dept, HRC campaign, DNC, and the Obama White House to keep Trump out of the White House. And when that didn't work, they colluded to discredit the man elected by the people of this nation to be President. This memo does not prove it for me, and I need to see more, but I still fully suspect it'll all come out in the end to confirm what I've believed for a year now. I’m still unwrapping the whole memo ordeal, but what I don’t understand right now is how are people like Comey saying, “That’s it?” while people like Pelosi are saying it’s “completely reckless”? The Dems cried so loudly to not have it released, but then all the liberals are saying it’s no big deal. I think it’s a big deal, but just what kind of a big deal still partially remains to be seen. |
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Post by samantha25 on Feb 3, 2018 3:39:52 GMT
I say that the memo was a distraction from what "everyone" needs to agree on... a budget... get the budget solved. The nation needs a budget. Many jobs are at stake. please AGREE ON SOMETHING.
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Post by mom on Feb 3, 2018 3:45:34 GMT
With all due respect, the majority of the people of this nation did not vote for Trump. He did win the electoral college, which won him the Presidency, but not the popular vote. I will now bow out of your thread bc I know it is not for me. He was elected by the people, as I said. I never said MAJORITY of the people. He won the electoral college just as all the former Presidents won the electoral college. That's how we do elections here. It's easy to hate the process when the candidate of our choice doesn't win...but that is how it's done. I agree. I did not vote for Trump (or HRC) but Trump met the requirements to be called the winner. If we the people don't like that a candidate was able to claim the Presidency by winning the electoral college vs the majority vote, then that can be addressed. But it doesn't diminish him winning. If we want different rules for the next election, so be it. Let's get them changed, legally. SaveSave |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2018 3:49:23 GMT
I'm a conservative girl. I'll follow the thread, but I don't watch the news or trending entertainment as it is now; therefore, I won't have much to add to the conversation.
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Post by freecharlie on Feb 3, 2018 3:53:47 GMT
I am really glad to see this thread. Many, many days I read the other(s) thread and just shake my head. Somethings I can see their view point but man. Some things I just cant wrap my head around. I am spending tonight educating myself on the memo. I have heard bits and pieces, but I want to really dig into it myself. (Another topic I would like to read about is how the new lax laws are helping people. I *know* many say they are losing money, but from things I have read, I am really surprised so many say that. It was my understanding that most would benefit from it. So do people not really know what is going on with their pay (is their insurance premium rising, etc causing the loss of pay) or is it really the new tax laws? my check went down about $89. Dh pays insurance so it doesn't come out of my check. I get paid the exact same every month. Has been since this contract started in September. I get paid monthly. I don't know if that has anything to do with it. |
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Post by freecharlie on Feb 3, 2018 3:54:51 GMT
Fwiw, I'm not conservative, but I am not fully liberal either. I often ruffle either side's feathers.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2018 4:00:06 GMT
I'm a conservative girl. I'll follow the thread, but I don't watch the news or trending entertainment as it is now; therefore, I won't have much to add to the conversation. Don’t let that keep you from sharing your own opinion(s) if you ever feel like it! I, personally, like to see what others think without the constant re-posting of articles, tweets, etc. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2018 4:04:31 GMT
I'm a conservative girl. I'll follow the thread, but I don't watch the news or trending entertainment as it is now; therefore, I won't have much to add to the conversation. Don’t let that keep you from sharing your own opinion(s) if you ever feel like it! I, personally, like to see what others think without the constant re-posting of articles, tweets, etc. Thank you.😃 |
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Post by samantha25 on Feb 3, 2018 4:12:06 GMT
Today I watched the show comedians getting coffee in cars with Barack Obama w I th Jerry Seinfeld j field
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Post by mom on Feb 3, 2018 4:12:51 GMT
Fwiw, I'm not conservative, but I am not fully liberal eitger. I often ruffle either side's feathers. I am finding myself to be the same way - though I definitely lean more conservative normally. Sometimes, though, I just have to say WTF to both sides. SaveSave |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2018 4:31:26 GMT
Fwiw, I'm not conservative, but I am not fully liberal eitger. I often ruffle either side's feathers. I am finding myself to be the same way - though I definitely lean more conservative normally. Sometimes, though, I just have to say WTF to both sides. SaveSaveI lean Libertarian, and that’s how I voted last time. I, too, am often disgruntled with both the major parties. My favorite radio talk show host is Michael Medved; he is local to me, but his show is national. This week, he was broadcasting from Stanford U and had on a lot of the Hoover Institute professors, several of whom talked about Russia and its election meddling. They meddle in all the democratic nations’ elections, and the guest today was talking about how it’s not so much that they care one way or the other about who gets elected, but that they foment division in our countries in order to create a feeling of distrust and dislike for democracy. I don’t believe Trump colluded with Russia, but I surely believe Russia messed with our election —not that it caused the outcome we had, but that it’s doing the job they’d hoped by further pitting us against one another. While I'm tying a million topics together, I'd like to note that Sarah Palin warned about Russia (and got infamously misquoted and dismissed for it) and Romney/Ryan also talked about Russia and were scoffed at by Obama for it. So, I bristle these days when people try to say conservatives don’t care about Russia. Yeah, we do. Not believing there was collusion doesn’t translate to not understanding that Russia is our enemy. I rambled a bit there. I guess I had a few things to get off my chest  |
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Post by paget on Feb 3, 2018 5:06:21 GMT
Fwiw, I'm not conservative, but I am not fully liberal eitger. I often ruffle either side's feathers. I am finding myself to be the same way - though I definitely lean more conservative normally. Sometimes, though, I just have to say WTF to both sides. SaveSaveYep. I have decided I am a moderately conservative independent. But I have more in common with republicans and libertarians. |
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Post by megop on Feb 3, 2018 5:16:54 GMT
Still identify as Republican although I've always been a moderate. I'm glad to see this thread as a safe haven to express views. I used to really enjoy discussing politics here, but have not in a very long time because it just isn't worth the angst and wild rides that threads turn into.
While I am a Republican, I'm really struggling with the current administration. For me, I'm much more in the camp of losing near complete faith in the institution of government and that is most certainly NOT one sided. Having worked many years in politics, i personally believe that most of those in office have lost what it means to serve the office, and the people. It's become an industrial game over public service and who can play the media game best. All the while, the people, and the country, suffer. It's a sad state of affairs to watch for me.
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Post by mom on Feb 3, 2018 5:20:08 GMT
I am finding myself to be the same way - though I definitely lean more conservative normally. Sometimes, though, I just have to say WTF to both sides. SaveSaveI lean Libertarian, and that’s how I voted last time. I, too, am often disgruntled with both the major parties. My favorite radio talk show host is Michael Medved; he is local to me, but his show is national. This week, he was broadcasting from Stanford U and had on a lot of the Hoover Institute professors, several of whom talked about Russia and its election meddling. They meddle in all the democratic nations’ elections, and the guest today was talking about how it’s not so much that they care one way or the other about who gets elected, but that they foment division in our countries in order to create a feeling of distrust and dislike for democracy. I don’t believe Trump colluded with Russia, but I surely believe Russia messed with our election —not that it caused the outcome we had, but that it’s doing the job they’d hoped by further pitting us against one another. While I'm tying a million topics together, I'd like to note that Sarah Palin warned about Russia (and got infamously misquoted and dismissed for it) and Romney/Ryan also talked about Russia and were scoffed at by Obama for it. So, I bristle these days when people try to say conservatives don’t care about Russia. Yeah, we do. Not believing there was collusion doesn’t translate to not understanding that Russia is our enemy. I rambled a bit there. I guess I had a few things to get off my chest I love Michael Medved! We used to be able to listen to him on our talk radio station, but no any more. I really identified with most of what he (used) to say. I am going to see if I can find his show to stream online. I most definitely think Russia messed with our elections. I also don't think this was the first time....but this time they went over and above. Honestly? I don't think Trump colluded with Russia but I think its easy for some to assume he did because they hate him so much. I don't think Trump ever really wanted to be President and never expected to win. Trump is an idiot on many, many levels. So many levels I lose count sometimes. BUT I don't believe he conspired with Russia. SaveSave |
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Post by megop on Feb 3, 2018 5:24:07 GMT
And just to add, I don't watch FOX and I'm not a "stupid follower." When people say stuff like this, I wish they would remember they are talking about real people. Not just an anonymous "them." I didn't vote for this President. I didn't vote for Hillary either. Personally, I could not even bring myself to give them the dignity of my vote. Neither one was a choice I could, in good conscience, make.
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Post by megop on Feb 3, 2018 5:29:22 GMT
Personally, I think foreign countries have messed with elections for far longer than the last one. I mean come on. Many people are getting their news from social media and believe it. To think that is something that just came on the scene in 2016, I think is a naive belief. The difference to me in 2016, is collusion over that effort.
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Post by megop on Feb 3, 2018 5:44:18 GMT
Oh, and regarding the memo? Smoke and mirror deflection because the first deflect was losing teeth. It's a disruption tactic to take the public conversation elsewhere than where it needs to stay for transparency.
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Post by Kymberlee on Feb 3, 2018 8:41:16 GMT
Thank you, thank you, thank you for starting this thread. I hope to add to the conversation in a better and less decisive thread. So many times I start to respond to other threads and find I just don’t have the energy or time to devote to defending my point of view. I am running out the door right now but will return later this afternoon.
PS I started listening to the Dan Bongino podcast and he has dissected Memogate quite well (IMO). He is definitely conservative and makes no bones about his disgust of the entire thing. If what he theorizes is true, a lot of people in the previous administration are going to be in a lot of trouble. The question will be do we have anyone with the gumption and perseverance to see this thing through to the end.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2018 12:49:57 GMT
Oh, so many conservative-type Peaple I haven’t “seen” in awhile and didn’t get tagged. Thank you all for stopping in! I don’t watch FOX, either, and it gets so old being told that I/we do as a way of dismissing a different point of view. I watch almost no tv news at all. Kymberlee I’ve heard Bongino before, too; maybe I’ll find his podcast over the weekend. I listen to bits and pieces of other radio news pundits, local news radio, and NPR. Work and life prevent me from “over” listening, and I don’t access the internet during the day when I work (I don’t have a smart phone.) I don’t tweet at all. I have one local news station in my FB feed. Often I listen to the sound of silence! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2018 13:05:08 GMT
I'm so happy to see you started this thread. After following this board for a while before first responding, I admit I jumped in a bit on the defensive (which isn't the best way to say hello). I'm hoping for a place to discuss, vent, and even disagree, without being called a liar. I'll be optimistic. It's a new day!  |
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Post by scrapqueen01 on Feb 3, 2018 14:30:32 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2018 14:44:17 GMT
And just to add, I don't watch FOX and I'm not a "stupid follower." When people say stuff like this, I wish they would remember they are talking about real people. Not just an anonymous "them." I didn't vote for this President. I didn't vote for Hillary either. Personally, I could not even bring myself to give them the dignity of my vote. Neither one was a choice I could, in good conscience, make. Which has been my public observance and complaint for quite some time. The right trashed Obama. Yes, even over stupid shit like flip flops and bare shoulders. For the most part, the peas trashed Obama, his policies, and his administration. FOR THE MOST PART, we did not trash those that voted for him in such personal ways. The right hated everything Obama stood for at least as much as the hatred the left feels for Trump. But the hatred towards Trump doesn't stop there. And better yet, the ones that do it, do so proudly, because it's accepted on this board now. I'd go so far as to say it's encouraged. They find nothing wrong with their behavior and promise to continue to behave in that manner. It's disgusting and I fear for those who they deal with on a daily basis. Especially their children or other young people. To find an excuse to treat people the way they do, I honestly don't know how many of them can face themselves in the mirror on a daily basis. |
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Post by PenandInk on Feb 3, 2018 14:54:07 GMT
I lean Libertarian, and that’s how I voted last time. I, too, am often disgruntled with both the major parties. My favorite radio talk show host is Michael Medved; he is local to me, but his show is national. This week, he was broadcasting from Stanford U and had on a lot of the Hoover Institute professors, several of whom talked about Russia and its election meddling. They meddle in all the democratic nations’ elections, and the guest today was talking about how it’ s not so much that they care one way or the other about who gets elected, but that they foment division in our countries in order to create a feeling of distrust and dislike for democracy. I don’t believe Trump colluded with Russia, but I surely believe Russia messed with our election —not that it caused the outcome we had, but that it’s doing the job they’d hoped by further pitting us against one another. While I'm tying a million topics together, I'd like to note that Sarah Palin warned about Russia (and got infamously misquoted and dismissed for it) and Romney/Ryan also talked about Russia and were scoffed at by Obama for it. So, I bristle these days when people try to say conservatives don’t care about Russia. Yeah, we do. Not believing there was collusion doesn’t translate to not understanding that Russia is our enemy. I rambled a bit there. I guess I had a few things to get off my chest This...so much this! Thank you for starting this thread! I hope it will become a place for rational discussion. There are so many viewpoints that I’d love to hear without the nasty comments and name calling. I’m a quiet pea, but I’ll definitely be reading and will contribute when I can. I am conservative fiscally and socially liberal, I’m not sure I’d classify myself as libertarian. Who knows? I’m hoping to learn more here. I certainly think there’s room in our country for more than the left- and right-wing extremism we see now. |
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Post by bazinga on Feb 3, 2018 16:15:37 GMT
I just want to say THANK YOU for creating this thread. I personally feel that both sides are awful, but what is even worse than our politicians is the way some people are so nasty to people who think differently than they do. We all want what is best for our great nation, we just have different experiences and opinions on what is best.
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Post by azredhead on Feb 3, 2018 17:26:54 GMT
Thank you I’m glad you started this thread! I do follow and read most. Political posts. Used to participate pre election. I haven’t had the frame of mind in the last year to do the convos much, both side have been horrible.I am more conservative middle. I have all walks of life in my family so I get it all, including religion and not. Anyway I don’t debate much anymore but will read . I soo appreciate lucyg and a few others who are kind and don’t take it to far or personal an we can still be friends outside politics. . That said I truly do not understand the loyalty to the media and the media loyalty against the ,He’s not normal we knew knew that from the start. But it tells it straight and depending on who you watch or read determines what you believe most of the time. I’m probably rambling as my head is all over the place. But i agree the memo does explain the media ‘love affair ‘ about the Russian collusion stuff. Sorry on my phone this morning. |
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