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Post by dewryce on Feb 27, 2018 23:34:40 GMT
Question? Is dt holding a top security clearance... Maybe that should be a qualification to even run for president?! It absolutely should be. And honestly, to get access as say a contractor to some of that info you need well above a TS clearance. No way do I believe that man could pass the polygraph test. Nope. I don't know, I think he might be able to because he believes his lies.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 27, 2018 23:39:26 GMT
No way do I believe that man could pass the polygraph test. Nope. The problem is that dt lies so much, he has no clue what he says from day to day, he would probably pass a polygraph, because he believes everything he says on any given day.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2018 0:29:54 GMT
NBC..
“President Trump's longtime aide Hope Hicks is declining to answer questions about her time in the White House in a closed-door interview with the House intelligence committee, several members of the committee said.”
Of course she’s not. trump has invoked a wall of silence which really makes it hard to believe him when he says nothing happened.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2018 0:38:57 GMT
linkFrom the Washington Post... “Four Commerce Department political appointees working on interim security clearances lost their jobs Tuesday because of problems in their background checks, the latest fallout from the intensifying public scrutiny on administration officials working without permanent clearances. The department determined that the four appointees — including one who worked for the agency for nearly a year and served for several months as a senior adviser to Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross — should not be given access to classified information, according to multiple officials who requested anonymity to discuss personnel matters.” For heaven sakes what is it with the trump administration and background checks and security clearances?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2018 0:44:38 GMT
Chris Lu’ comment to the 4 guys at the Commerece Dept losing their jobs because of background checks.
“When it rains, it pours. The security clearance scandal has now spread from the White House to the agencies. And the root cause is a president who doesn't believe in ethics, vetting or safeguarding classified information.”
Serious question, if trump hadn’t been elected president that automatically gave him the highest security clearance available, would he been able to get one if was nominee for cabinet or high ranking job?
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 28, 2018 0:44:41 GMT
For heaven sakes what is it with the trump administration and background checks and security clearances? They are wheeler dealers.......... travel all over the world and deal with some unsavory people. People have their hands in the appointees pockets and the appointees have their hands in the unsavory's pockets! Called co-mingling...... Like my recycling, it all goes in one bin!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 28, 2018 0:45:33 GMT
would he been able to get one if was nominee for cabinet or high ranking job? Not a chance!
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Post by dewryce on Feb 28, 2018 0:50:43 GMT
Chris Lu’ comment to the 4 guys at the Commerece Dept losing their jobs because of background checks. “When it rains, it pours. The security clearance scandal has now spread from the White House to the agencies. And the root cause is a president who doesn't believe in ethics, vetting or safeguarding classified information.” Serious question, if trump hadn’t been elected president that automatically gave him the highest security clearance available, would he been able to get one if was nominee for cabinet or high ranking job?I'll admit my ignorance, is clearance really automatically given?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2018 1:21:17 GMT
linkI’m shocked, just absolutely shocked I tell you!!! Not really, it’s what I expected from the Republicans. They consider the deaths of school children, high schoolers, concert goers, and church goers as acceptable collateral damage for not “infringing “ on their 2nd Amendment rights. Reuters... “Republicans in Congress reject new gun limits”
From the article... Republican leaders of the U.S. Congress said on Tuesday that they would not raise the minimum age for gun buyers, in a sign that one of President Donald Trump's proposals likely will not get far on Capitol Hill after a deadly Florida school shooting. The second-deadliest shooting at a U.S. public school has reignited the long-running national debate over gun rights, pitting many of the students who survived the Feb. 14 high school shooting in Parkland, Florida, against powerful gun rights groups like the National Rifle Association. Several of those students visited lawmakers on Capitol Hill on Tuesday to press Congress to enact new restrictions on gun ownership. Republicans in Congress have rejected those efforts after similar mass shootings in the past, and party leaders said they were not likely to act this time, either. We shouldn't be banning guns from law-abiding citizens. We should be focusing on making sure that citizens who should not get guns in the first place don't get those guns," House of Representatives Speaker Paul Ryan told a news conference. Trump has suggested arming teachers and raising the minimum age to buy semiautomatic rifles from 18 to 21, but Ryan said Congress was not likely to act on either idea. Local governments, not Congress, should decide whether to arm teachers, he said.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2018 1:23:17 GMT
Chris Lu’ comment to the 4 guys at the Commerece Dept losing their jobs because of background checks. “When it rains, it pours. The security clearance scandal has now spread from the White House to the agencies. And the root cause is a president who doesn't believe in ethics, vetting or safeguarding classified information.” Serious question, if trump hadn’t been elected president that automatically gave him the highest security clearance available, would he been able to get one if was nominee for cabinet or high ranking job?I'll admit my ignorance, is clearance really automatically given? I guess they can work at their jobs with an interim clearance pending the final results of background checks.
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Post by dewryce on Feb 28, 2018 1:30:09 GMT
I'll admit my ignorance, is clearance really automatically given? I guess they can work at their jobs with an interim clearance pending the final results of background checks. I'll have to think about it some more, but my initial reaction to this is to be extremely bothered by it. Why couldn't they be cleared in the almost 3 months from election to the swearing in ceremony, especially if the process started when they became their party's candidate? And what happens if the President-elect then doesn't qualify for security clearance? Geez I'll go so far as to say they shouldn't be allowed on the final ballot if they can't pass a decent preliminary check.
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Post by Merge on Feb 28, 2018 1:36:12 GMT
I guess they can work at their jobs with an interim clearance pending the final results of background checks. I'll have to think about it some more, but my initial reaction to this is to be extremely bothered by it. Why couldn't they be cleared in the almost 3 months from election to the swearing in ceremony, especially if the process started when they became their party's candidate? And what happens if the President-elect then doesn't qualify for security clearance? Geez I'll go so far as to say they shouldn't be allowed on the final ballot if they can't pass a decent preliminary check. I'm sure I could Google this, but maybe someone here knows: what does it mean to be denied clearance? What in somebody's past dealings would cause this to happen? Can it be innocuous? Also, what was the norm for other administrations? We read there is often a backlog. Is it typical for there to be people in high level positions without a top secret clearance over a year into a presidency?
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Post by dewryce on Feb 28, 2018 1:40:41 GMT
Merge I do remember reading something about a new process being put into place 2016 so I don't think we can compare exactly apples to apples. But, I'd be interested in having it confirmed that the new process is the cause of the delays and not reasons like Jared's "forgetting" key info over and over, and also not the quality of the candidates for clearance. I.e., more potentially shifty stuff to look into. eta: And by having it confirmed I mean by a non-WH source because I trust them as far as I can throw them. eta2: I also think that with less experienced staff there are probably a lot more people who have never gone through this scrutiny before.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2018 1:58:56 GMT
One of President Obama’s advisers said that they started the vetting process even before the election the first time around. I remember thinking it’s good thing they won or that would have been a lot of work for nothing.
I also think that if any other person, Democrat or Republican had won instead of trump there wouldn’t have been as many people this far into the term that are having the background problems trump’s picks are having. And IMO it all reflects back on trump and the people he surrounds himself with.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2018 2:00:05 GMT
This lack of importance that this administration is showing towards security clearance must be of serious concern to the 4 other countries within the "Five Eyes" The whole allegiance of the five eyes is based on trust. When that trust is in doubt then the security of all five countries is in danger. I googled why someone was denied or had a lower security clearance in relation to the above. link this is what it says why someone would be denied:- 13. For what reasons would I be denied a security clearance? Various reasons exist for why someone may be denied a security clearance. The most important factors in an investigation are the individual's honesty, candor, and thoroughness in the completion of their security clearance forms. Every case is individually assessed, using the National Security Board's 13 Adjudicative Guidelines, to determine whether the granting or continuing of eligibility for a security clearance is clearly consistent with the interests of national security. The adjudicative guidelines include: allegiance to the United States; foreign influence; foreign preference; sexual behavior; personal conduct; financial considerations; alcohol consumption; drug involvement; emotional, mental, and personality disorders; criminal conduct; security violations; outside activities; and misuse of information technology systems.It also says which is obviously not carried out:- 16. How long does it take to process a typical security clearance?
Each case varies, but the general time averages about 120 days. The Department of State has recently initiated a goal to render a security clearance decision in 90 days.
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Post by pyccku on Feb 28, 2018 2:00:34 GMT
Extreme vetting = whatever we can come up with to keep the brown and the poors out of America. If you’re white or a trump sycophant, no vetting necessary.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 28, 2018 2:12:43 GMT
Part of the problem is that most administrations hired from with in government or people who have been in government or have had clearances before. People who do not have massive financial profiles with complicated interconnections all over the world. Some of them are still doing updates on their financial stuff and boards they serve on...... Doesn't help that the people entrusted to do the background checks are constantly under attack by assorted people.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2018 7:05:07 GMT
trump...
“Big legal win today. U.S. judge sided with the Trump Administration and rejected the attempt to stop the government from building a great Border Wall on the Southern Border. Now this important project can go forward!”
I saw that and wondered if he would “tweet” about it. Problem is since it involves the environment I suspect this isn’t over yet. Plus he stil hasn’t settled who’s paying for it. Apparently his phone call with the Mexican President with one of the subjects the wall didn’t go well. I understand he cancelled his visit to DC.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2018 7:35:26 GMT
Here's a video of the Trump umbrella-hogging. It looks even worse in the video than in the still.
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For comparison.
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Nuff said?
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Post by Merge on Feb 28, 2018 11:38:11 GMT
trump... “Big legal win today. U.S. judge sided with the Trump Administration and rejected the attempt to stop the government from building a great Border Wall on the Southern Border. Now this important project can go forward!” I saw that and wondered if he would “tweet” about it. Problem is since it involves the environment I suspect this isn’t over yet. Plus he stil hasn’t settled who’s paying for it. Apparently his phone call with the Mexican President with one of the subjects the wall didn’t go well. I understand he cancelled his visit to DC. And there's that pesky problem of appropriating all the privately owned land along the Texas border. Some of which has been in those families for several generations.
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Post by maryannscraps on Feb 28, 2018 12:11:52 GMT
Chris Lu’ comment to the 4 guys at the Commerece Dept losing their jobs because of background checks. “When it rains, it pours. The security clearance scandal has now spread from the White House to the agencies. And the root cause is a president who doesn't believe in ethics, vetting or safeguarding classified information.” Serious question, if trump hadn’t been elected president that automatically gave him the highest security clearance available, would he been able to get one if was nominee for cabinet or high ranking job?I'll admit my ignorance, is clearance really automatically given? The President doesn't hold a security clearance, isn't vetted, and can declassify anything. By definition, the President has total access to all information required to do the job. The VP isn't vetted either, and doesn't hold a clearance. ETA: Trump was elected to do the job, automatically giving him access. Can you believe that? That numbnut could never pass the first level of vetting if he had to.
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Post by imsirius on Feb 28, 2018 14:11:32 GMT
Reading all his tweets makes me hopeful that Mueller has something really bad.
Also, I think Trump went into this thinking he would rule and nobody would challenge him....EVER.
I can't wait for the epic reality check. It,s close..he can feel it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2018 14:40:10 GMT
How's Trump doing on the opioid epidemic?
"No good. Really bad."
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2018 14:48:30 GMT
Here's a video of the Trump umbrella-hogging. It looks even worse in the video than in the still. /video/1 For comparison. /photo/1 Nuff said? This is how a gentleman does it. Not only to his wife and family but to others too.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Feb 28, 2018 15:33:32 GMT
I miss the Obamas so, so much.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2018 16:00:29 GMT
tiny hands tweeted this earlier...
“Why is A.G. Jeff Sessions asking the Inspector General to investigate potentially massive FISA abuse. Will take forever, has no prosecutorial power and already late with reports on Comey etc. Isn’t the I.G. an Obama guy? Why not use Justice Department lawyers? DISGRACEFUL!”
I read this and something nagged me about it but I couldn’t grasp what it was.
Well Brit Hume, of all people, pointed out what I read but didn’t see.
“This is Trump at his worst. He is asking that the DOJ investigate itself. The inspector general, who has his own staff of lawyers and investigators, at least enjoys a measure of independence from the department. Trump still wants the AG to act his political goalie.”
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2018 16:16:01 GMT
tiny hands tweeted this earlier... “Why is A.G. Jeff Sessions asking the Inspector General to investigate potentially massive FISA abuse. Will take forever, has no prosecutorial power and already late with reports on Comey etc. Isn’t the I.G. an Obama guy? Why not use Justice Department lawyers? DISGRACEFUL!” I read this and something nagged me about but I couldn’t grasp what it was. Well Brit Hume, of all people, pointed out what I read but didn’t see. “This is Trump at his worst. He is asking that the DOJ investigate itself. The inspector general, who has his own staff of lawyers and investigators, at least enjoys a measure of independence from the department. Trump still wants the AG to act his political goalie.” He has no SOP other than fealty and dictating. Those don't work in America (yet) where the fealty is to the Constitution (not the President) and the government is based on separation of power. People tried to point that out to all the "Oh, but he's a BUSINESSMAN! He can get things done!" (Not really, but that's a whole other thread). But yes, in many for-profit businesses fealty and dictatorial control can work. But the government - which is about helping in areas where there is no profit to be had (like bathing the elderly poor) doesn't work the same.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 28, 2018 17:14:44 GMT
But yes, in many for-profit businesses fealty and dictatorial control can work. But the government - which is about helping in areas where there is no profit to be had (like bathing the elderly poor) doesn't work the same. To help anyone, other then himself, family and friends, is not part of his agenda or long term plans.. As we normal people well know!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 28, 2018 17:51:13 GMT
Nobel committee investigating possibly fake Trump nomination for Peace Prize BY RAFAEL BERNAL - 02/28/18 11:28 AM EST The Nobel Peace Prize awarding committee is investigating an allegedly fraudulent nomination of President Trump for the coveted international award, according to Wednesday reports. "I can say that we have good reason to believe that [Trump’s nomination] is a fake," Nobel Institute Director Olav Njølstad told Norwegian broadcaster NRK, according to the BBC. Njølstad did not say whether the committee has specific suspects, but the Nobel Institution has filed a report with the Norwegian police, according to Spanish news agency EFE. ** Potential recipients can only be nominated by a select group that includes national ministers, members of parliaments, certain university professors and former honorees. He added that there was no precedent for similar fraudulent nominations, with one exception. "The same 'fake' nomination probably took place last year too," Njølstad said. thehill.com/policy/international/376014-nobel-committee-investigating-fake-trump-nomination-for-peace-prizeHow low will friends and family go?!?!?!?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2018 20:14:08 GMT
ABC News...
“Pennsylvania church holds a ceremony blessing couples holding AR-15 rifles, encouraging parishioners to bring their assault rifles with them. The event led a nearby school to cancel classes. abcn.ws/2t4aru9”
Sorry but those that participated in this little ceremony are not responsible gun owners but stupid gun owners and makes a strong case that everyone, even the seemingly responsible folks, shouldn’t have guns.
ETA another example of who shouldn’t own a gun. From AP.
“Police arrest a Maine women who posted a video of herself target shooting while listing city officials by name and describing them as "my target."
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